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ecloudw00t: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/92078/ again?05:36
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w00tecloud: done07:53
ecloudthanks07:54
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artemmacybette: ping08:51
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artemmaDoes anybody use Jolla videos in Android fine?08:54
artemmaSince last FW update (or around same time) Android apps show black video thumbs and tell things like can't read format08:54
artemmae.g. instagram08:54
artemmafiles are still accessible. E.g. Android YouTube can upload file just fine, but Android video codecs can't play original files08:55
artemmaand possibly related: Instagram app can't shoot videos anymore. Progress bar moves, but no video is recorded actually (maybe codecs fail to understand recording?)08:56
mekluI recently had the invalid format issue08:56
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mekluI'm not sure what fixed it08:56
meklubut I did do zypper in -f aliendalvik08:56
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cybetteartemma: pong09:16
HtheBjuiceme: ping09:16
artemmacybette: my little brother is visiting Jolla on Sunday or Monday (some PR action not related to me - he's a known podcaster in IT world). So I thoiugh maybe I could pop in to jolla care too eventually09:17
artemmatht is assuming there is somebody to pop to :)09:17
artemmaMarc Dillon, zzste and I think you were inviting me to care for long time, but I never had time :)09:17
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cybetteartemma: can't do sunday but monday is possible - although this is in helsinki right?09:19
artemmayep, helsinki09:21
artemmameeting would be cool, but I suspect that you aren't here anyway09:22
artemmawas wondering about care procedures09:22
Stskeepswell, we don't really do care in house, optima does that; but for your particular case we can probably look at it with an engineer09:22
Stskeepsie me or somebody else09:22
artemmaI don't mind dropping my particularly "fortunate" device to you for stskeeps and others to study and replace it with another one, but I don't know if it works just like this09:22
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Stskeepscare as in hw/sw device physical care09:23
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Stskeepsjust monday that's problematic for me.. but i'm happy whenever09:23
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artemmaso it's not as simple as just visiting hq and replacing the device? (assuming you trust my reports and agree that it needs to be replaced anyway)09:25
Stskeepsi'm not in care, but i don't think it's a hw issue you have so it wouldn't do much good to swap09:26
Stskeepswe have tools for 'snapshotting' a device though, but that's up to the user if he/she wants to let us09:26
Stskeepsbut if you have time for a beer and sitting and talking or whichever, then i can take a look at the factual problem and see if our proposed fix helps you09:27
artemmasorry, emergency at work, talk later09:27
Stskeepsk09:27
artemmaor slowly09:27
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cybettepersonal care service by Stskeeps :)09:28
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tilltalking about care, if i dropped my jolla on the street twice and some time later the vibration motor gets faulty that's not covered by warranty i assume? :)09:34
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Nicd-if they determine the fall caused it09:35
tillwell i just ordered a replacement motor and will (try to) fix it myself09:36
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Nicd-then the whole phone will surely be out of warranty09:37
tillalthough it seems i just have to unscrew the frame :) but if it's not sure if they will repair it under warranty and if i have to send the phone in for 10-14 days i think i'm fine with that09:39
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Nicd-till: if you unscrew the frame, the warranty is void09:44
Nicd-just note that09:44
tillyes i do :)09:44
tillto bad it's not like a thinkpad where you are allowed to to so09:45
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Nicd-well, it's a phone, not a computer09:46
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tillwell, really? :)09:49
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danielbeck_Hello. I submitted a game some time ago in the harbor store. I don't have a Jolla handheld - so  I cannot see how are the submitted reviews. (The web interface doesn't allow this).09:55
danielbeck_Could someone send me how are the reviews for "Green Mahjong"?09:55
tadzikdanielbeck_: I can take you a screenshot of the last page of comments09:56
danielbeck_(Btw, I suspect they are not that good, because the application has several bugs which only occur on Jolla).09:56
danielbeck_thanks tadzik.09:56
tadzikdanielbeck_: http://i.imgur.com/oLmUD5B.jpg09:57
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danielbeck_OK, thanks.09:58
tadzikmore constructive comments coming09:58
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tadzikdanielbeck_: http://i.imgur.com/GYjgAxR.jpg09:59
Nicd-tadzik: you should use png in screenshots :P09:59
Nicd-dat compression09:59
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tadzikNicd-: huh, I just use the screenshot app defaults :)10:00
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tadzikalso, I'm pretty sure you can do .whatever on imgur10:00
tadzikor at least .png :)10:00
Nicd-but it's still jpg10:01
danielbeck_It's ok so. So I have an idea about what to change.10:01
tadzikaha, jpg is default10:01
tadzikNicd-: fixed, thanks :)10:01
tadzikdanielbeck_: long story short, landscape :)10:01
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danielbeck_tadzik: The emulator unfortunately does not support switching to landscape mode. So testing it is quite hard.10:02
tadzikaww10:02
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artemmaStskeeps, cybette: I am back from emergency. Yes, you can see what's in my device. It's fine as long as you promise not to use logins if there are any left10:20
Stskeepsnod10:20
Stskeepsi'll know more things about my schedule but i'm happy with even meeting after typical work hours, i don't have much else to do in helsinki :P10:21
* artemma starts suspecting Stskeeps has some "nod" script to nod :) 10:21
Stskeepsso we can get a proper look10:21
artemmaI should be free after Tuesday (when my little brother is leaving Finland for Sweden)10:21
Stskeepsokay, that'd be perfect for me too10:22
artemmamayeb also before, he's programmer as well, so might be interested. Just not sure abt his schedule - he's doing some videopodcast records here10:22
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artemmahe might be actually doing a record with a Jolla person :)10:22
artemmathat would explain why he's meeting a Jolla person :)10:23
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Stskeepsyeah.. i have some important meetings monday so i'm probably very unavailable :)10:24
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AL13N_worktigeli: ping10:45
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tadzikhmm, Android seems to have this trick that a service runs in the background and sends notifications and whatnot11:04
tadzikis that unsupported on Jolla?11:04
cb400fI think you want to join #sailfishos for development11:05
tadzikI'm not talking about development, I'm a user here11:05
cb400fsurely it's technically possible.. e.g. the mail app will do something like that11:06
cb400fdunno if application developers are encouraged to do something like that11:06
tadzikwe're talking about different things here, I think. There are existing android apps that do that, like Telegram11:07
tadziksame apps installed on Jolla don't do that11:07
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tadzikis that a bug or a feature?11:07
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cb400fah, you're talking about android appz, not native apps11:07
cb400fso the question is if aliendalvik supports that probably11:08
tadzikyes, that's what I'm asking11:09
tadziksorry for not being too clear11:10
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ccha2hello, about twitter, is it possible to have notification when there is a new tweet ?11:23
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Sail0rgood question11:26
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ccha21st time I use twitter and on jolla11:27
Sail0rIt worked with the first Sailfishos release but it was removed afterwards11:28
ccha2oh11:30
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mekluthe activity screen shows the number of unread tweets you have11:46
mekluonly up to 10 though11:46
mekluand the tweet browsing there is a bit lacking11:46
tadzikand tweet posting11:46
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SK_worktadzik: you can tweet-post12:01
SK_workuse share text field from events view12:01
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tadzikSK_work: yeah, the basics work alright. But for instance if there's a failure sending the tweet, all the content is lost12:20
tadzikit's not in a paste buffer or anywhere, I have to type it anew, which sucks12:21
SK_worktadzik: true12:21
SK_workwaiting for the social stuff to be opened so I could contribute12:21
tadzikwe can dream12:22
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SK_worktadzik: it is said that it will be opened soon12:31
tadzikoh, nice12:31
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TMavica_Jolla_my fd got a problem of her jolla12:41
TMavica_Jolla_toh not work12:41
TMavica_Jolla_https://db.tt/RtLCCQd212:41
TMavica_Jolla_how to solve this..? reinstall tohd nil help12:41
TMavica_Jolla_is hardware problem..?12:41
artemmaStskeeps, cybette: how could it be not a HW issue if it is exactly my phone that is hurt so hard? Even after a full reset and reinstall of everything? Oh well, that's why I was hesitating to contact care, I just don't have much time to explain and prove again and again when being there live and talking to a supprt tech person :) Was hoping my detailed reports upfront are good enough for HW problem diagnosis and then for a quick replacement12:44
artemmasure, I will also be fine if you magically quick-fix my phone without any replacement, I just don't think it's possible12:44
SK_workTMavica_Jolla_: pkcon install tohd-plugin-nfc-nxp12:45
TMavica_Jolla_ok i try12:45
TMavica_Jolla_i want ask marc..lol12:45
artemmaStskeeps, cybette  and of course, by murphy's law my phone will be fast exactly when contacting Care. It is frozen very often, but sometimes it has a day of fast behavior :)12:46
tadzikmy phone froze for me today, it was very weird12:46
tadzikwaking up the touchscreen with double-tap still worked, but it didn't react aside from that12:46
TMavica_Jolla_SK_work: still said terminating d...12:47
chem|startemma: frozen sometimes does not sound like a hardware issue12:47
SK_workTMavica_Jolla_: what kind of logs ?12:47
artemmachem|st: it's more like sometimes it is not frozen :)12:48
TMavica_Jolla_see the screen shot above link12:48
chem|startemma: you said you have sent details up front, are they public? logs? kernel-panic?12:48
SK_workTMavica_Jolla_: hum12:49
artemmachem|st: lots of it in stskeeps inbox including endurance reports12:49
SK_workzypper se tohd12:49
artemmaand in w00t's too (I think it was w00t)12:49
w00tyep12:49
artemmacan forward to whoever too12:49
chem|startemma: does it behave like this after a reset?12:50
* artemma did a fool reset and os reinstall12:50
tilldid you do the btrfs balance thing?12:51
chem|stdid you install 3rd party apps afterwards?12:51
TMavica_Jolla_building cache12:51
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TMavica_Jolla_not gd13:00
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TMavica_Jolla_SK_work: https://db.tt/AfaMmlnc13:00
artemmachem|st: a lot of 3rd party apps. And one slowness reason was identified to a mitakuuluu daemoon keepalive bug. But even with zero 3rd party apps running I still get freezes often (not jsut slowness) and slowness13:01
faenilartemma: finally someone to share my feelings with :D13:02
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SK_workdon't know why13:02
SK_workTMavica_Jolla_: tohd timeout13:03
coderusTMavica_Jolla_: tried reinstall tohd-plugin-nfc-nxp and libhybris-sbj-libnfc ?13:03
TMavica_Jolla_yes13:03
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TMavica_Jolla_no good. still timeout13:05
TMavica_Jolla_i think do pkcon install tohd will do all thing13:05
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SK_workps aux | grep tohd ?13:07
SK_workdoes it shows tohd running ?13:07
SK_workTMavica_Jolla_: it seems that tohd crashes13:07
TMavica_Jolla_yes13:08
coderusdid you tried to restart it with no toh?13:09
TMavica_Jolla_no13:09
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TMavica_Jolla_trying13:10
TMavica_Jolla_now show tohd 779 ignore scanning start13:12
TMavica_Jolla_after connect , timeout again13:13
TMavica_Jolla_maybe hardware problem.13:15
SK_workTMavica_Jolla_: tried with a different toh ?13:16
TMavica_Jolla_yes13:17
TMavica_Jolla_maybe try reset see..13:17
TMavica_Jolla_by the way, it not my phone13:17
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kjokinieTMavica_Jolla_: sure the phone has latest sailfish version?13:22
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TMavica_Jollaya13:39
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SK_workTMavica_Jolla: did you told marc about coderus  ?13:52
TMavica_Jollano he want cry13:52
TMavica_Jollahe hug all ppl in meeting, then he wants cry13:53
TMavica_Jollareally sad13:53
TMavica_Jollathis is not a.good situation to said that.lol13:53
SK_workdamn13:54
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Sail0roO13:56
Stskeepspassion?13:56
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TMavica_Jollaabout 20 ppl hug him13:57
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cybetteTMavica_Jolla: so it was a good meetup?14:10
TMavica_Jollasure!14:11
cybette:)14:11
TMavica_Jollamany jolla n9 on table, see my tweet14:11
cybettehaha just saw it, cool!14:11
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gexcany estimation for jolla sales figure in hk/china?14:14
coderusbtw, peoples, can anyone make an invite visa to finland for me and my gf?14:15
coderuswant to visit fi 25 aug or so14:15
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SK_workcoderus: woow ... making visa, that sound illegal :D14:17
gogetaSK_work: you need a visa too to visit coderus mansion14:18
coderusi mean invite for making visa14:18
coderusor something14:18
coderusi have no idea what it require :D14:19
coderusnever traveled abroad in my life14:19
SK_workcoderus: go on internet and check it on the embasadery website you lazy14:19
SK_work:O ;)14:19
entilI'd be surprised if they didn't have an online service for ordering visas14:19
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Sail0rfirst check if one is needed ^^14:20
SK_work(btw the only thing that needs invites is to buy a one pluus one -_-)14:20
coderusSK_work: yes i checked it14:21
coderusit require ingite for guest visa14:22
coderusinvite*14:22
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SK_workcoderus: Oo14:23
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SK_workwow, that's interesting14:23
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TMavica_Jollacoderus money can solve all problem14:23
TMavica_Jollalo14:24
SK_workcoderus: and now I understand14:24
coderusTMavica_Jolla: if i had money, lol14:24
TMavica_Jollawhy need visa..i can go from hk to there easily..14:24
coderusSK_work: just someone should make invite for me to be guest in country and then i can make visa14:25
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SK_workcoderus: yep, understood :)14:25
SK_workcybette: ^^ ?14:25
entildo we have a time limit or something?14:25
TMavica_Jollai plan to travel to finland this chritmas14:26
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TMavica_Jolladirect flight14:26
coderusentil: because of russia probably14:27
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entilcoderus: but you can't go downtown in helsinki without seeing russian tourists14:27
Stskeepscoderus: as a heads up, visas also typically require crap like documenting you're not going to stay :P14:28
Stskeepslike having a job at home etc14:28
Stskeepsit can be a really nasty process14:28
entilI would almost assume they're on short trips that don't require visas or something14:28
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coderusthere is some special rule for "Three days w/o visa"14:29
cybetteyeah I think some cruises between finland and russia are visa-free14:30
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coderuscybette: yup. if you have a ticket and international passport you can :)14:32
TMavica_Jollastskeeps: how much hotel cost per night there?14:32
Stskeepsin .fi? err.. it kinda varies14:32
entilhttp://www.omenahotels.com/ that's probably one of the cheapest14:32
Stskeepsi use omena myself but sometimes if you're there longer, it makes sense to rent an apartment studio14:32
coderusso, please, if you have any information for me or want to make me invite please ping me :)14:33
TMavica_Jollamostly how much around14:33
TMavica_Jollacoderus let go together, lol14:33
cybetteTMavica_Jolla: 90-100€ per night14:33
Stskeepscoderus: note that invitation letters are typically from your host14:33
Stskeepsie they're legally responsible for you14:33
TMavica_Jollacybette: very cheap...14:33
Stskeepsbut you can apply without an invitation too14:34
cybetteTMavica_Jolla: might be more expensive during christmas, depending on which part of finland you want to visit.14:34
TMavica_Jollafamous place14:34
entilthere's infinite love for jolla hackers but I'm afraid not everyone would be legally responsible for people they never met before14:35
TMavica_Jollacybette: can u help me book hotel if i come? lol14:35
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cybetteTMavica_Jolla: sure, just give me your credit card info ;)14:36
TMavica_Jollahow about no credit card.? i want pay all cash14:36
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cybetteah ok, well some hotels allow making a reservation and then paying only when you arrive14:37
cybettenot omena though14:37
Stskeepsyeah, they're very automated14:38
Stskeepsit's a hotel without people14:38
Stskeepsas in, staff, except for people cleaning rooms14:38
* SK_work remembers of omena hotels in TRE14:38
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SK_workfor the price, the quality is really good14:38
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TMavica_Jollaif i come, any tut guy for me? lol14:39
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Nicd-the omena hotel in tampere was also used for prostitution :P14:39
Stskeepsi was so going to bring that up.. :P14:39
cybettei think many omena hotels are :P14:39
cybetteTMavica_Jolla: what tut?14:39
TMavica_Jollatutorist guy. lead me go everywhere, lol14:40
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cybetteah tour guide14:40
Aciidthere is nothing to see in helsinki14:40
Aciidother than drunks14:40
cybette:D14:40
cybetteTMavica_Jolla: come to tampere, i'll be your tour guide14:40
Aciidand drunk undergrads ofc14:41
StskeepsAciid: you know there's a mandatory blood alcohol level14:41
Stskeepsso that's expected14:41
Stskeeps:P14:41
AciidStskeeps: yeah thats why I commuted by train today14:41
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TMavica_Jollacybette: thanks. i try hv a plan14:41
TMavica_Jollacoderus let go together  lol14:41
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entilthere's not much to see in tampere either ;P14:44
entilif cybette lives there she might know something I don't but it's basically the one street ;)14:45
SK_workentil: spent last summer there, at least you got some nice walks :)14:45
entilI don't actually have anything against tampere, it's just smaller than helsinki ;)14:45
* SK_work still remembers when iekku said that she don't like "Hell sink in"14:45
entilcountryside pride!14:46
entil;)14:46
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cybettewe have couple of observation towers, best donut in finland, a spy museum, a stone museum, and if the lakes are frozen enough we can walk on them. winter is of course very different from summer14:48
kimmolithe internal border goes at Kehä III14:48
entiloh, there's actually a jolla office there... had to check because it started sounding weird14:49
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SK_workentil: :D14:51
cybetteyes, many of us work in tampere :)14:52
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entilnice14:53
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entilhrmph, maybe I need to contact care at some point, had my jolla totally die on me for the first time14:57
entilhad to extract the battery for a while14:57
entilI mean I had a glitch or two semi-recently but that was scary14:57
Stskeepsreboots, or stuck14:57
entilflashed the recharge logo14:57
entilthen went black14:58
entildidn't power on14:58
Stskeepsokay14:58
entilsqueezed it and tried again, which I always do, but nope this time around14:58
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entilwill be keeping an eye out for this but it certainly looks like an upward trend15:02
entilwish the younited service would ship already so I could take real backups ;P15:02
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Sail0rentil: the good thing is care is really fast15:08
coderusif i go to finland for some days, can I expect to meet for dinner and overnight?15:10
Sail0rsomeone is pissed https://together.jolla.com/question/51137/cant-call-to-jolla-after-update-10819-duplicate-major-bug/15:12
coderushad this issue once15:15
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Sail0rI am two faced when I talk about Jolla ^^. On the one side everything is working as expected on the other side some features and the implementation of them is a true show stopper at the moment to recommend the phone15:17
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AL13N_worki'd like the following feature, for the browser: if for some reason the navbar is hidden and you're at the bottom, and swipe up, i want the navbar to unhide15:47
AL13N_workthese states can happen if you do combinations of zoom in/out, turning and/or small pages15:48
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entil4G :(16:12
entilthat's the kind of shit that sticks :(16:12
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TMavicacybette: chk out FB16:12
TMavicaPS: i not in the photo, LOL16:13
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coderusbut i had that bug with call on 3G16:21
coderusnot 4G16:21
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entilyeah but if an angry message like that gets censored jolla is called out for duplicity, with good reason, and if it's visible and prominent it will discourage others from buying :/16:23
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coderushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGyPuey-1Jw16:29
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cybetteTMavica: why aren't you in the photo? :D16:37
TMavicasmoking with other sailor16:38
TMavicaLOL16:38
TMavicai caught16:38
TMavicago smoke16:38
TMavicacybette: they have take video.16:40
cybettecool :)16:41
cybettewish I was there. but next time!16:41
TMavicai hope so16:41
TMavicathey will tell u the story16:41
cybetteI look forward to that :)16:42
TMavicaur fd whole time taking video16:43
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cybettewho? francis? jason? juhani?16:44
TMavicanot jason francis16:44
TMavicathe 2 come HK with Marc16:44
TMavicai dont know their name..16:44
TMavicahavent ask16:44
cybetteah juhani and tim16:44
TMavicaok16:44
TMavicathanks!16:44
TMavicaany twiiter?16:45
cybettejuhanilassila and timmcdigital on twitter16:45
TMavicathanks16:46
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TMavicahead of marketing....16:56
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juicemeHtheB, pong :)18:48
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iamtewwoho19:11
iamtewprinting a TOH :)19:11
iamtewhttps://imgur.com/a/KYIxr19:11
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CraigAsend me one19:11
iamtewnah, we're busy calibrating the printer19:11
iamtewyou need to wait :)19:11
CraigAokay19:11
CraigAsend me 219:11
iamtewlol19:11
CraigAwhere is this based?19:12
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CraigAEU i'm guessing19:12
CraigA?19:12
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iamtewyeah, I'm in Amsterdam19:17
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iamtewdoesn't fit :(21:10
iamtewhttps://imgur.com/a/KYIxr21:10
iamtew1 to 2 mm to small21:10
iamtewneed to print it on 101% or 102% resolution21:10
iamtewand maybe in ABS instead of PLA21:11
iamtewnext time..21:11
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kimmoliiamtew: learning curve ?21:27
iamtewyeah, but also it's not my printer, friend of mine here in the hackerspace21:30
iamtewsome issues with the z-axis21:30
iamtewso it's printing uneven21:30
kimmolilooks like DIY printer21:30
iamtewwe have a lulzbot taz here also, well calibrated, but it's always busy because everyone is using it :)21:30
iamtewthis one it21:30
iamtewit's a cerberus.. specs somewhere here.. lemme se21:30
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iamtewnope, looks like we don't :)21:32
iamtewit's one of these, slightly modified, http://reprap.org/wiki/Rostock21:33
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kimmoliok, using Felix myself. But, keep posted about results. gtg to sleep now, GN21:35
iamtewyeah same here, getting late, will go home21:36
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