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ponkyugh, there's still no way to enable/disable unknown caller id from settings? i have to set it manually by calling #31# after every restart..04:40
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Wntponky: I have always had settings -> apps -> phone -> "Show my caller ID" in the settings07:05
ponkyWnt: hmh, you're right07:08
ponkyit must be some sort of network setting then, because it resets after every reboot and when i switch sim to another phone07:08
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Kabouik_Hi there. Adding new patches (via Patchmanager) somehow screwed up my homescreen (I only got black screen, blinking green led, white screen, all three times, and now I only have black screen when I reboot)08:16
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Kabouik_I'm trying to recover the broken lipstick files, but I can't get into SSH terminal08:16
Kabouik_Any ideas?08:16
SK_workKabouik_: yes08:17
SK_workgo recovery08:17
Kabouik_When I connect the Jolla to USB, I do hear it, but can't SSH08:17
Kabouik_How do you do it exactly?08:17
SK_workhttps://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/08:17
pp_developer mode on?08:17
SK_workKabouik_: when entering recovery select 408:17
SK_work(shell)08:17
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Kabouik_Let's try that, thanks08:19
SK_workKabouik_: afterwards, you should have the recovered data inside /opt/patchmanager/backups08:20
Kabouik_It still fails, either using the 10.42.66.66 ip given in the guide, or using the 192.168.2.15 I usually use08:23
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SK_workKabouik_: ifconfig ?08:27
SK_workKabouik_: sure that you booted to recovery ?08:27
SK_work(Jolla logo with nothing else)08:27
Kabouik_Yes it's there, trying to check that RNDIS is properly installed (but I guess it should, as I usually can connect through SSH)08:28
SK_workKabouik_: windows ?08:29
Kabouik_Yes08:29
SK_workI can only help with linux sorry08:29
SK_workbut check if you have a network connection08:29
SK_workyep, need rndis08:29
SK_worketC.08:29
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Kabouik_Ok I'm there, wasn't working with my regular SSH application for some reason, but got it working with the MS RNDIS driver08:36
Kabouik_However when I select "4" in the recovery prompt, I can't cd to /opt08:37
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Kabouik_And actually when I "ls", there is no opt directory. :|08:38
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SK_workKabouik_: you need to mount the rootfs08:42
SK_workone sec08:42
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SK_workKabouik_: http://paste.kde.org/prsfgxxlx08:43
Kabouik_Perfect, thanks08:44
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Kabouik_Alright, got my homescreen back. Thanks a lot! Now let's try again these patches one by one and see which ones causes the issue. :[08:48
Kabouik_And rather hope no issue comes. :o08:48
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Kabouik_In patchmanager (up to date), Swipe feedback patch and Titles in edit mode patch will both fail to install, is this a known issue?09:07
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SK_workKabouik_: known issue09:17
SK_workthe maintainer (= me) didn't found time to fix it09:17
SK_workwill be fixed for next updat09:17
Kabouik_Ok, thanks! I had these issues months/weeks ago, but was not sure my patchmanager was up to date. I just reinstalled it so it was worth asking :)09:18
Kabouik_Great, thanks09:18
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ln-http://www.nokiapoweruser.com/2014/08/17/meego-meltemi-not-dead-may-metamorphose-into-a-cloud-based-nokia-os-in-future/10:24
meklu"cloud-based"10:25
Nicd-Meego is not dead, it's called Sailfish now! ;)10:25
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AL13N_workwhy don't anyone mention sailfishOS?10:27
AL13N_workit's annoying10:27
AL13N_workalso meego was jointly with intel iinm?10:27
Nicd-I did in the comments (awaiting moderation)10:27
NavAL13N_work: First they ignore you...10:27
mekluthen they forget about you10:28
mekluthen you fall into irrelevance10:28
Nicd-so cynical10:28
NavNot quite the quote I was referencing :-)10:28
meklu:)10:29
mekluI just couldn't resist twisting it the wrong way here10:29
sharpneliWth is a "cloud OS"10:29
Navsharpneli: Its fully buzzword compliant!10:30
sharpneliAh. That explains it10:30
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meklu"Now your shell will be rendered IN THE CLOUD!"10:33
meklu"Isn't this just AMAZING?!"10:33
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sharpneliI actually heard about a startup that was making some mobile OS that was actually handled in servers10:35
sharpneliThe phone was just 3G modem and a display.10:35
meklujust... no.10:35
sharpneliI think they realized by now that 3G modem eats so much power that it's totally retarded idea.10:35
mekluthat is a most horrendous idea, and I can't believe more than one person thought it was a good idea10:36
NavSomeone needs to bash them with a cluebat10:36
sharpneliThey even had a webpage. That's like 2 years ago.10:36
mekluthe latency alone should be enough of a hint that it won't work10:36
meklulet alone the unreliable nonsense that are mobile networks10:36
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sharpneliYyyuupp10:36
mekluit would also raise some serious security concerns10:36
mekluNav: better make the cluebat the size of the empire state building or something10:37
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thargoris there somewhere a definition of the buzzword cloud OS? With my interpretation is absolutely nonsense but probably I'm wrong...10:57
thargoror is this a future technology where you only have a terminal which is connected to a huge server (lets call it mainframe or so)?10:57
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pp_hmn, could be an OS where you have a minimal install image and incoming port 80 and 443 open.11:01
pp_or a client cloud OS, which is about the same, with a GUI and outgoing ports 80 and 443 open.11:02
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thargoror this is the operating system which is controlling the clouds and is responsible for rain and snow and so on :-D11:13
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rysiek|plohai12:01
tadzikrysiek|pl: o/12:01
rysiek|plolol12:01
rysiek|pltadzik: cze, skond klikash?12:02
tadzikrysiek|pl: z pracki12:02
rysiek|plah, makes sense12:02
rysiek|plja z lapka12:02
rysiek|pl#LubiePracki12:02
tadzikso, your N900 met its demise?12:03
rysiek|plnot yet12:03
rysiek|plstill need to cut my sim down to a microsim12:03
rysiek|plor whatever jolla needs12:03
tadzikyeah, microsim is the new cool thing12:04
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rysiek|plthe new black, or so I've heard12:04
rysiek|plalso, looking for a decent calDAV sync app for jolla12:05
rysiek|plheard of any?12:05
Stskeepshmm, there was plans on caldav at least, i'm not sure if it got merged12:05
* Stskeeps checks12:05
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* rysiek|pl awaits, tense12:05
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/534/implemented-in-10716-support-for-caldav-based-calendars-eg-google-calendar-released/12:05
rysiek|plyaaay!12:07
Abjectionanosim is the new cool thing... :/12:10
Temehmm, the concept of "cloud-based" mobile OS seems stillborn for reasons mentioned above :D12:10
Temei wonder if it's just used a buzzword and actually means hard integration with some cloud service like MS is doing12:11
rysiek|plTeme: sounds just about right12:11
Temebut does Nokia have such an infrastructure?12:12
rysiek|plMS has12:12
Temethere was Ovi services but i don't how cloudy they were :P12:12
Stskeepsi highly doubt they have anything given they laid off pretty much every base system guy in existence that did anything nokia linux related..12:12
Temeyeah Azure obviously if it's got something to do with MS12:12
Stskeepsso, -1 on rumour12:12
mekluAzure with Linux VMs12:13
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Teme... but "sources" on "the internet" "said" that it's true ;)12:13
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tbrazure just tanked yesterday, didn't it?12:13
Stskeepssources are drunk12:13
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Stskeeps:P12:13
* tbr read something on ElReg12:13
meklusources are already in Thursday12:13
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* Stskeeps ponders idly if there's enough jolla users in WAW by now for a informal meetup12:18
rysiek|plStskeeps: yes12:18
Stskeepsi count rysiek|pl, tadzik, me and smoku at least, so far12:19
rysiek|plviq, q3k, ar12:19
tbrenough people to meet for beers for sure12:19
Stskeepsoh they got them too?12:19
Stskeepscool12:19
rysiek|pland I that at least one or two more from HSWAW12:19
* rysiek|pl brb12:19
tbrI rarely visit wawa, so don't count.12:20
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tadzikwow, HS is really getting into it apparently12:24
tadziklast time I checked it was android all the way :P12:24
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mekluhmm?12:36
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till_is there any information on when the next update is going to be released?13:22
tadzikother than "september"?13:23
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pp_heh, n9 (and optima service) time14:38
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pp_interesting experience after all these months14:38
pp_virtual kb gives way less typos, at least :P14:39
pp_hw is sooooo slow14:40
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pp_no patches available, surprise14:41
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sledgespsa: sailfishoss community meeting in #mer-meeting15:01
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pdanekGood day! How can I disable double-tap screen unlocking?15:58
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javispedrotbr: so, can I bother you for a few minutes? :)16:35
javispedrotbr: is build.merproject.org the OBS instance that's supposed to be used for chum?16:36
javispedroor M4rtinK, if you've used it.16:36
tbrsure16:37
tbryes16:37
M4rtinKworks fine for modRana16:37
tbrhttps://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:tbr:sailfish/ - that's my packages I kick around16:37
M4rtinKand for rebuilding random packages16:37
javispedrolet me see if I can figure out what's different in my pkgs16:37
tbrcheck which projects it builds against etc16:37
tbrit's not the package it's the project config16:38
tbrhttps://build.merproject.org/project/show/sailfishos:chum:1.0.8.19:testing16:39
tbrthat's the testing queue16:39
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pdanekGood day! How can I disable double-tap screen unlocking?16:39
tbrright now it's enough if someone adds this repo on their device, installs the package, tests it a bit, uninstalls and confirms all is well16:39
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tbrpdanek: double tap doesn't unlock the screen it only wakes it up16:40
pdanekOk, wake up. :)16:40
pdanekHow to disable wake up on double tap please? :)16:40
tbrand only if the proximity sensor is not covered16:40
Morpog_PCi guess you need to fiddle with mce to disable it16:42
javispedrotbr: seems that only armv8el works16:42
tbrjavispedro: yes, that's the disguise for armv7hl16:42
javispedroaaah.16:42
tbran old MeeGo hack that's still haunting us16:42
javispedrook, so basically only build for armv8el :)16:43
Stskeepsjust wait for aarch64. it's aarch65!16:43
Stskeepser, 6416:43
tbryes, and i486(?) if you care16:43
javispedroi586 doesn't work seemingly16:43
Stskeepsi486 is i586 scheduler16:44
javispedro(same as armv7l which is the one I was using: it is present but has 0 packages)16:44
tbrStskeeps: I vividly remember your reaction when I told you that ARM released ARMv8 during LCE in copenhagen16:44
Stskeepsdid i look suicidal?16:44
Stskeeps:P16:44
tbrhard to tell it was IRC16:44
tbrbut it was certainly not enthusiasm16:44
javispedrocall it aarch64-x3216:45
M4rtinKgood luck once you need to support the real armv816:45
M4rtinK:)16:45
javispedronoone will notice16:45
Stskeepsjavispedro: aarch64-32-bit exists..16:45
javispedroand it's not armv8? hm16:45
M4rtinKBTW, just submitted modRana to chum testing :)16:45
tbrarmv8 is not necessarily 64bit. go and cry.16:45
tbralthough all 64bit is armv816:46
M4rtinKoh I remember that hack16:46
tbrIIRC cortex M or R versions of the ARMv8 concept will have 32bit only implementations too. but I don't remember the details.16:46
M4rtinKI guess you might want the registers but don't need so long pointers/more memory16:47
M4rtinKlets hope nobody ever implements that :)16:47
javispedrobut I think that "aarch64-32" is basically armv8, exactly as in non-64 bit armv8s16:47
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javispedrono idea if they have minor but annoying differences or what, though.16:48
tbralso armv8 supports armv7 binaries, but only if the IP core was done with the AArch32 part16:48
tbrlet's hope nobody does socs without aarch32 for now16:48
javispedroah, aarch32 is another valid name!16:48
javispedrothere you have more namespace for when the need for another hack arises.16:48
M4rtinKtbr: Fedora plans to have use that to build armv7 binaries faster16:49
tbrah yes, ethical compiling. :>16:49
M4rtinKon 64 bit arm hardware16:49
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tbrbut is it ethical to build 32bit arm on 64bit arm? ;)16:49
M4rtinKsee the 64 bit arm flock talk for more info :)16:49
* tbr hopes for lots of fun at ELCE/LC/CO/...16:50
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javispedrox86 is going to get fun soon too.16:51
javispedrolet's say Intel is playing more GP registers...16:51
javispedro*planning16:51
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javispedrohm17:01
javispedro"have choice for pkgconfig(Qt5Bluetooth): qt5-qtconnectivity-qtbluetooth-devel qt5-qtconnectivity-qtnfc-devel"17:01
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javispedroqtnfc should not provide Qt5Bluetooth at all...17:01
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javispedro%files qtnfc-devel %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*17:02
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javispedrogrrrr..17:02
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spiiroinpdanek: this should disable double tap: mcetool --set-doubletap-wakeup=never17:08
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* Stskeeps ponders why #mer-meeting is still active..17:17
SK_workStskeeps: because nieldk comes to discuss after meeting :D17:17
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pdanekMorpog_PC: spiiroin: Thanks.17:29
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dr_gogeta86_jollcybette: happy b'day17:33
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cybettedr_gogeta86_joll: thanks!17:35
dr_gogeta86_jolli've missed meeting17:36
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cybettedr_gogeta86_joll: minutes here http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-08-19-15.04.html and you can join the next one next week :)17:39
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njsghmm, I see that jolla's website is not jolla.fi :-D18:09
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Nicd-because it's not just for finns19:09
slateor maybe because .fi domain was already taken.19:10
Nicd-they could claim it though19:12
Nicd-since it looks like jolla.fi is owned by a private person19:12
Nicd-companies have precedence in .fi19:13
slateMaybe the process is on but bureaucracy is slow.19:13
Stskeepsotoh we did buy jolla.com19:14
Stskeeps:P19:14
Nicd-I think they just haven't bothered19:14
ln-Nicd-: i doubt they have precedence for domains that are older than the company.19:14
Nicd-I wouldn't be surprised19:16
ln-just think about dna.fi19:16
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slatedna.fi was issued 200819:17
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ln-although admittedly the previous owner was not a private person but an association19:17
slatedna finland started 200719:18
ln-yes, and their address was dnafinland.fi for quite a long time.19:18
slateyeh, I remember19:19
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keithzgHmm. Opened Warehouse again for the first time in a while, and it fails to add its own self-update repo or any others I try to add, with a "Status: repo-not-found", "Couldn't find the specified repository". A search of Google and TJC doesn't turn up any directly relevant explanations. Hrmm...20:24
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Almindorhey21:29
Almindoris it possible to encrypt the home folder/data on the jolla phone?21:29
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* keithzg curses RPM and all its associated tools22:36
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keithzgI won't lie, it could just be my far greater familiarity with deb/apt than rpm/packagekit, but damn I find this frustrating.22:43
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keithzgDoes PackageKit actually log to somewhere?22:44
M4rtinKkeithzg: in what regard ? :)22:44
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M4rtinKkeithzg: I know both but rather prefer RPM :)22:44
keithzgM4rtinK: I'm trying to figure out why Warehouse can't enable any repos, want to see some actual logs rather than the scant information it gives in terms of failure (as mentioned in my comment a few hours back)22:45
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javispedrohey, pkkit is from the gnome guys and it has a dpkg backend too!22:46
javispedroso don't blame rpm for pkkit's faults :)22:46
keithzgI blame them in tandem ;)22:46
keithzgPlus, being from the GNOME guys is one of the reasons I'm sure it's not just my inexperience with it that's why I have issues :P22:47
keithzg(that being said, I'm 75% sure that the origin of my troubles here are my own damn fault, heh)22:47
M4rtinKyeah, IIRC packagekit is pretty much package format independent22:48
M4rtinKI think that might be actually one of it's design goals :)22:48
M4rtinKIIRC you can run pkcon in a monitoring mode22:49
M4rtinKand then just run Warehouse22:49
M4rtinKand then see what you get22:49
keithzgHmm interesting. That might work. But seriously, are there not just . . . yaknow . . . log files?22:50
M4rtinKjournalctl -b as root ?22:50
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keithzgWas kinda hoping for a seperate log file, but I guess this is one of those systemd things eh?22:51
M4rtinKwell you can probably even drop the -b as the logs are not persistent by default22:51
M4rtinKthat's kinda the point22:51
M4rtinKthe journal logs are structured22:51
M4rtinKso you can easily fish out the output of the app you are interested in22:51
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keithzgAm I doing something wrong? Neither arrow keys nor pagedown work...22:53
keithzgGuess --follow is my friend22:56
keithzgAug 19 16:54:48 Jolla [10872]: [D] PackageKitProxy::t_onErrorCode:343 - t_onErrorCode "/1654_ebcceeed" code "repo-not-found" message "Couldn't find the specified repository"22:56
keithzg...which is no more information than I had before. Dammit.22:56
M4rtinKBTW, pagination works fine over SSH22:57
keithzgNot for me apparently.22:57
M4rtinKweird22:58
M4rtinKgnoe terminal & ssh from fedora over USB networking - works22:59
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keithzgYeah, enter goes to the next line, but journalctl otherwise disregards my pagedowns or arrow downs. Yakuake in Kubuntu over USB networking.22:59
M4rtinKwell, worst case: "journalctl -b > log.txt;vi log.txt" :)22:59
keithzgHeh, well, --follow served me fine.22:59
keithzgIt just turns out there's nothing more than what I already get told by Warehouse :(23:00
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M4rtinKBTW, try pkmon as root23:00
M4rtinKit prints me a lot of stuff when I start warehouse23:00
M4rtinKinteresting, it shows progress for downloading the repo files, yet Warehouse shows only the spinner :)23:01
keithzgooh, nice23:01
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keithzgAha! Through the clues in pkmon---thanks, M4rtinK!---and working under the assumption that it was indeed somehow my own fault, I've discovered that I had the relevant repos already existing but disabled, and I guess Warehouse was mucking up trying to add them since they were, in fact, already there.23:10
keithzgA quick 'ssu enablerepo openrepos-basil' got the Warehouse self-update channel back in business, and a similar stroke got the relevant repo for ocNews re-enabled, whereupon I've got ocNews pulling from my ownCloud instance again. Phew!23:11
keithzgGotta say, although the developer of the Android app is pretty great and he's done a rather good job, the Sailfish app for ownCloud News is way, way nicer to use just thanks to the UI paradigms at work in Sailfish vs Android.23:12
M4rtinKnice you got it fixed! :)23:12
M4rtinKthe packaging stuff is still weird sometimes23:12
M4rtinKlike if you add a repo with zypper23:13
M4rtinKand then run something with pkcon, it might clean it up from the list :)23:16
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keithzgYeah they seem to be somewhat at odds with eachother.23:21
keithzgAFAIK PackageKit uses ZYpp as the backend, and then 'zypper' itself also uses libzypp. So they both point at the same backend but don't necessarily acknowledge eachothers' existence.23:24
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keithzgHmmm, I wonder if there'll be anything in the systemd-managed journals that could help unravel the inability to play low-Hz mono mp3s...23:31
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keithzg...nope. Damn.23:34
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keithzgHrmm. So if I'm trying to start an instance of pulseaudio to figure out why it (well, perhaps it, perhaps something else) glitches on lower-Hz mono streams, how do I actually start one?23:51
keithzgI can kill it just fine with pulseaudio -k as root, but if I try to start as root it complains that it isn't meant to be started as root. Meanwhile nemo doesn't seem to have privileges to start it, despite the instance when the Jolla boots being ostensibly owned by nemo.23:52
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M4rtinK2maybe check the service files :23:58
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