#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2014-08-20

M4rtinK2run systemctl as root and grep the output for "sound"00:00
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M4rtinK2then check the corresponding unit files and targets :)00:00
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keithzgI just cheated and chowned the relevant /run/user directory for nemo for the time being, heh, and re-launched pulse pointing it to a log file.00:01
keithzgSadly it shows nothing during the skips either.00:03
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keithzgWell, time to go home, so no more multitasking on work and trying to solve issues with my Jolla, heh. I feel weirdly determined to pinpoint exactly what on the Jolla is screwing up on mono non-wave files lower than 44.1kHz, though.00:13
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covoxkeithzg: I think I've experienced that too with some 22khz MP3s, does the playback position bounce around for you after the first few seconds?04:51
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covoxI assumed that was a gstreamer problem04:52
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Anz_hyvää cybette :)06:07
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Nicd-good cybette?06:14
entilo_O06:14
entil((partitive of) good) cybette?06:15
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Nicd-woohoo, we're getting Qt 5.2 in the next update06:18
Stskeepsi really underestimated the amount of tunnels on the railway line to turku.06:19
Jopeears hurting?06:19
Stskeepsnah, just bothered06:19
Stskeepsi've tried flight with a serious sinus infection, that was painful06:20
Jopebtdt06:22
JopeI got some unblocking nose drops from the flight attendants06:22
Jopebut it didn't help..06:22
Jopelhr -> hel with the feeling that my head's gonna explode was a bit painful06:22
tbryeah, although there are not really many hills or mountains in Finland, you have to still accout for the fact that everything is bare bedrock. so the slightest elevation needs trenches or tunnels blown out of the bedrock06:22
Jopeyep06:23
Nicd-if you people like tunnels, you should visit the abandoned railway tunnel at Pönttövuori06:23
Jopeze bedrock is only a few meters deep usually :-)06:23
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entilI think the hki-tku highway was closer to a mining operation than road construction.. like nowhere do we have that many hills and valleys and tunnels06:23
Nicd-http://imgur.com/a/yKvmA06:23
tbrshore line and all that06:23
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entilNicd-: sweet06:24
tbrcute06:25
Nicd-it's a really spooky place. I recommend visiting sometime06:25
vispilair for trolls06:25
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Nicd-though nowadays you have to crawl under the gate to get there06:25
tbrI should try to find out about interesting abandoned places around Tampere06:26
Jopeas long as they're still there06:27
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Nicd-tbr: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._W._Enqvist_%28yritys%29#mediaviewer/Tiedosto:M-real_factory_in_Lielahti_Apr2009_003.jpg06:28
Nicd-just visited that with my brother. not much activity, but some small parts are in use06:28
Jopewasn't mreal torn down already06:28
Nicd-it was closed in 2008 but the buildings are still there06:29
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Nicd-and they're using the yard as storage06:29
Jopeok :-)06:29
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Stskeepsentil: btw beer 17:30 thursday if you didn't see06:36
entilStskeeps: I pinged sharpneli about it but he's not online06:38
Stskeepsokie06:38
entiltomorrow thursday at amsterdam?06:38
Stskeepsyeah06:38
entilsweet06:38
Stskeepsmaybe some others will join too06:38
Stskeepslet's see06:38
entilI'll note that in my calendar, thanks :)06:39
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Anz_Nicd-: entil hmm, didn't realize: knowing few lake names isn't sufficient to say bday greetings06:51
entiloh bday06:52
entilhyvää syntymäpäivää cybette06:52
entil(colloquially "synttäriä" ;)06:52
Nicd-it's cybette's birthday? yes, so it seems! happy birthday cybette! :)06:53
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muppethentil: in amsterdam?09:24
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meklumuppeth: some bar in Ruoholahti(?), Helsinki09:25
sharpneliIndeed. Right next to the Metro station. It used to be the go to place for everyone working at NRC09:27
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muppethahhhh thought your are talking about amsterdam city :P too bad.09:35
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entilmuppeth: not this time around at least10:13
entilsharpneli: and some of f-secure as well ;)10:13
entilwhich is where I'm at nowadays10:13
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newinhey all10:56
tadzikhey newin11:01
Nicd-hmm, my mom tried to call me but it went straight to voicemail11:02
Nicd-is my jolla misguidedly trying to protect me? :)11:03
newinIt's been a looong time i haven't come here but I have a problem with my jolla and I need help...11:03
newini've a jolla for something like 1year and my battery life was really awesome (something like 4/5 days with normal usage) i've installed android support for kakaotalk 3 week ago and my battery like was somethink like 2/3 days... but since yesterday it's less than 12h ! =/ so anyone have an idea where it come from ?11:09
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dr_gogeta86hi Nicd-11:11
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Nicd-hi dr_gogeta8611:22
StskeepsNicd-: sonera, LTE enabled but in a 2g area?11:23
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tbrnewin: did you restart your phone?11:23
Nicd-Stskeeps: dna, no 4g in my contract11:23
Stskeepshmm11:23
Stskeepsok11:23
tbrnewin: did you change anything recently? updated apps?11:24
Nicd-and in a 3g/4g area11:24
newinyep, I've try to restart and the first time when battery life was draining fast my battery indicator was passed from "15%" to "86%" o_O11:27
newinmy last update was barcode scanner and katakana11:27
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tbrwhat's katakana?11:29
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newina cool app to learn japanese characters =)11:30
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newin(both app are sailfish native by the way)11:30
phdeswernewin: check with top in the console (if you have developermode) or lighthouse (?) what processes are eating up cpu11:32
newini've already checked this with lighhouse and "lipstick" is always on top (as my first day with jolla...)11:34
newinon top with 0% cpu btw...11:36
AL13N_worki wish hiragana and katakana were in one single app11:36
AL13N_workand that it would add a bit of easy kanji as well11:37
AL13N_worknewin: did you try the reverse free test? that's kinda hard11:37
newinAL13N_work: completly ok, and audio for prononciation woud be cool !11:37
AL13N_worknot a must for me (audio pronounciation), but sure11:38
newinAL13N_work: and no i've not tried the reverse test because for now I need to learn korean (i will study in korean for 1 year next week)11:40
SK_worknewin: run csd from terminal, and check battery?11:40
newinwhat is csd ? =O11:40
SK_worknewin: a diagnostic tool11:41
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newinhum sounds interesting11:41
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newincsd is a verry cool tool ! is there other hided tool like that ?12:03
ln-*hided -> hidden12:05
newinln-: thx, i'm not english native (i'm french)12:06
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newinSK_work: USB charging-> passed, discharging -> passed, Battery resistance->passed12:07
SK_workcheck capacity12:08
SK_worknewin: check battery test12:08
newinVoltage-> pass Energy->pass health->pass12:09
newincapacity is 95.13%12:10
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SK_workto see if it is app-related ?12:11
SK_worktry less heavy usage ?12:12
SK_worknewin: strange ...12:12
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fennekkiim having trouble with whatsapp simply not working since yesterday12:13
fennekkierr, mitäkuuluu*12:14
fennekkianyome else having this?12:14
Nicd-nope12:14
fennekkidamn, guess Ill remove configs12:17
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newinSK_work: can an android launch a deamon ? I'm suspecting a deamon from kakaotalk making updates or things like this by itself12:44
SK_worknewin:12:44
SK_worknewin: yes12:44
SK_worktry by disabling aliendalivk12:44
SK_worksystemctl stop aliendalvik (as root)12:44
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newini've installed killdroid app... it work same way I presume12:47
SK_worknewin: not sure12:47
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SK_workit might not *stop* aliendalvik12:48
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newinby the way, what is lipstick ?12:54
Nicd-lipstick is the UI12:54
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newinokay ! thanks for all!12:56
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SK_worknewin: to be precise, lipstick is the homescreen13:05
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newinokay, I think I will come more often here I learn a lot on jolla in only few minutes =D13:07
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tango_so, has anyone tried keeping the media player open for days?14:17
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tango_I suspect there's some kind of memory leak, it starts misbehaving after a while14:17
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newintango_: 24h no but something like 15h yes for me, and I haven't notice espetially heavy (i must admit I haven't checked the memory usage before and after)14:21
tango_newin: I haven't checked the memory usage either, this was more of a feeling after _days_ of continuous usage14:22
mcfrisktango_: I have media player up as long as jolla, upto a week, no problems14:22
tango_mcfrisk: many songs?14:22
mcfrisktango_: 20 gigs14:22
mcfrisksong list cursor is a tiny dot, almost not visible so thousands of songs14:23
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mcfriskmedia player doesn't play all file formats well though, tjc had lower sample rate and mono stream issues reported, I see some ogg or mp3 files not playing at all, and some playlists always stop after first song when using suffle mode.. etc small issues here and there.14:25
tango_maybe my jolla doesn't like my songs14:26
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newinno problem here and I've ogg mp3 and flac for 7.2 Go14:32
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newinSK_work: that was the android app (i'm at less than 1%/h after stopping dalvik instead of 9%/h)16:28
SK_worknewin: interesting16:29
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newineveryday a hate more and more android....16:33
vispiracism16:35
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chem|stsledges: was it you I was talking about Qi? I got the farnell package16:36
sledgesnooice16:36
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sledgeslet's take care now :)16:36
chem|stI will test them first, then I will see if they fit under the hood16:37
chem|stone is on a pretty thick metal sheet16:38
newinvispi: I like IOS and windows phone, is just android with his heavyness and permanant compiling and broken jvm and I can continue all night long16:38
entilI'd really like to use android for awhile16:38
entilno idea how the different vendors alter them, for example16:39
entilmost of what I've seen means unintuitive slow and generally crappy ux but they sell like crazy so they must do something wrong.. maybe16:39
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sharpneliAnd the constant changing of the ndk :E16:40
sharpnelivispi: Long time no see. I bet you are the one who I think you are. :D16:40
newinby the way i'm curious if it's possible to implement IOS app support...16:41
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sharpneliI doubt it would be practical. In addition get ready for crushing lawsuit by Apple16:42
entilfirefox apps might be more feasible, being html5 afaik16:43
chem|stsledges: forget it, they are bare coils...16:43
YanieliOS apps might be possible but nobody is going to do that16:44
newinI think it can be possible because both system are running native arm elf binary16:44
sledgeschem|st: picture ooi?16:44
chem|stthe farnell I sent you, I need to look it up...16:44
suosaaskisince most apps are android/ios anyway, there is no point in porting the ios version...16:44
suosaaskinot that I would know, just thinking :)16:45
sharpnelinewin: The work involved would be close to what is required to get Windows applications running on Linux. Massive amount of work in implementing the OS API's16:46
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Yaniel+ the entire objc runtime16:46
newinsuosaaski: that can be interesting in term of performance...16:47
chem|stsledges: farnell 2400023 and 205659616:49
suosaaskiwhat would be interesting, would be to see ios run on "android hardware" and vice versa...16:49
suosaaskiand sailfish, too.16:49
locusfsailfish already does16:50
vispisharpneli: sir yes sir16:50
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sharpneli_o>16:52
suosaaskilocusf: not on iphone.16:52
locusfsuosaaski: yep16:52
sledgeschem|st: what's wrong with bare coils? (btw they aren't bare bare)16:52
coderusPowermenu v0.2.4. Some new features and new icon by Morpog: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/powermenu16:53
newin(HS: if someone know how to read korean I need help to read help to write kakaotalk app...)16:54
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chem|stsledges: AC/DC is wrong isnt it?16:57
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sledgeschem|st: if voltage characteristics match, then it's good16:58
chem|stmy charger does not put any power through16:58
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chem|stthat SIII thing does have alot of other hardware than just a bare coil16:59
sledgeschem|st: put it on multimeter16:59
TMavicacoderus: bugs found17:04
chem|stsledges: 5V-AC17:06
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chem|stsledges: just tried a fan, that is alternating17:07
coderusTMavica: i know :)17:07
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TMavicaLOL17:10
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sledgeschem|st: yep, more toys you'll need then sadly17:12
sledgeswasn't it in product description?17:13
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FireFlyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/53917/resume-music-playback-once-ready-optionally/ thoughts on this?17:21
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chem|stsledges: well I cannot find anything else - those are the only charging coils I could find apart of those Qi-Stickers on amazon/ebay/et al17:25
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nochokay, my jolla phone reached Belgium, they was unable to find my friend, and it was sent back to Findland. Picked up in 3.46 PM, Vantaa FI.18:37
nochand the problem is, my friend leaves in Aug 26.18:37
nochso I'll be unable to get my jolla later.18:37
nochShell I contact Jolla somehow to ask to send it back again asap?18:38
chem|stnoch: where are you from?18:38
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chem|stnoch: don't ask to send it again if you cannot make sure that "your friend" has a valid address to ship to18:38
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nochI am from Armenia. He is in Belgium till Aug 26. I've already bought it. He has a valid address, and he left a phone of a consierge. He said her that he expects a call from Fedex. But probably she did not answer the phone.18:40
nochHe has no phone.18:41
Sail0rsounds a bit weird18:42
attahIs it correct to suspect that the new connman was included in the latest patches?18:42
Stskeepsattah: rpm -q --changelog connman18:43
* attah feels stupid18:45
attahso it seems that it isn't18:45
attahoh wait.. i'm reading it wrong18:46
nochI have sent mail to care@jolla.com18:46
Aciiddontcare@jolla.com18:47
attahSo now for my problem.. my phone sticks on the work wifi and doesn't connect when i get home. It shows cellular, but in the list it says connected on work wifi, and home wifi is highlighted.18:49
attahAnyone else seen this? Maybe know of a TJC that i didn't see? Or are there logs that i can povide?18:50
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coderusattah: i seen this once but cant reproduce anymore19:10
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attahcoderus: ok.. I've had it twice this week, maybe all 3 days19:11
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coderussometimes your work doesn't let you go home :D19:19
attahTell me about it :(19:20
attahBut i'm just a lowly consultant.. and we can't have remote access...19:20
attahProbably has a positive impact on my sanity19:22
Stskeepsu+huh19:22
StskeepsÖP19:22
Stskeepser.. damn finnish keyboard19:22
jake9xxis the bt stuff imrproving with sept. release?19:23
jake9xxon android side, that is19:23
attahbtw.. who to poke to have the calendar time selection fixed?19:25
coderustjc?19:26
ShinryuuI'm getting paranoid19:28
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ShinryuuI believe my mobile network was connected today even it shouldn't have19:28
attahcoderus: was that for my last q? if so.. it's already there since it opened...19:29
attah(dec 25)19:29
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ShinryuuC_C19:29
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coderusattah: ask more peoples to vote for :)19:32
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attahVote, vote, vote! https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/19:33
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Shinryuuthere's a patch available in that link but is that an option for you?19:35
attahShinryuu: I made the patch ;)19:35
Shinryuuoh.. oh boy!19:35
attahJust getting tired of keeping it up-to date when it moves around in the qml19:36
attah...and maybe more people want it.. i hope...19:36
Shinryuuyeah.. that makes things harder19:36
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ShinryuuI wonder if usb tethering method comes in some future updates19:38
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coderusShinryuu: http://paste.kde.org/pwas4nzex19:38
ShinryuuI have a bit different one but that looks cleaner because it behaves differently19:39
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Shinryuutime to put it in19:39
coderus./script gprs0 rndis0 :)19:40
coderusor even ./script wlan0 rndis0 :)19:40
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Shinryuuhehe19:40
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attahShamelessly bumps TJC post, receives badge "Associate Editor"... misread that a bit at first :P19:44
Stskeepsasshole editor? :P19:44
attahYep19:44
Stskeepshehe19:45
attahkinda close to the truth..19:45
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AJAX555just out of curiosity: is it possible to add animated gif as ambience background?19:48
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Stskeepsprolly not19:49
Shinryuuclosest thing I can find, https://together.jolla.com/question/21640/animated-gif-support-for-ambiences-on-lock-screen/19:50
AJAX555heh, would be nice to try it, but if there's no support (atleast yet) I wont even try19:50
Shinryuu:P19:55
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phdeswerShinryuu: pkcon install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config20:00
Shinryuuinteresting20:00
phdeswerCan't be shipped officially atm due to UI/roaming.20:03
phdeswerAnd Apple not supporting common standards. You might need to reboot after install to get the UI to update correctly.20:04
Shinryuuwell, I'll try that out too but running a script or two isn't that time taking for me20:07
phdeswerShinryuu: well that is just tapping internet sharing when plugging in the usb. NAT and dhcp server on device. So everything is automatic (except if you hook it up to a mac, then you need Horndis installed first)20:09
Shinryuuyep, I noticed that horndis was needed when I tried usb tethering with my friend's mac20:11
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Shinryuubut I'm on a penguin box here so no problems20:11
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Shinryuutime to fiddle with things20:12
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rysiek|pldamn21:52
rysiek|plownCloud clendar sync doesn't work for me21:52
rysiek|plI added two caldav instances21:52
rysiek|pland both aren't working21:53
rysiek|plthe calendars are not being discovered21:53
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louisdkHI22:05
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chem|stlower22:20
chem|strysiek|pl: do you see the calendars in the jolla calendar and no items or no calendar at all?22:21
chem|stI see calendars but it does not sync22:21
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rysiek|plchem|st: I only see the local Jolla calendars (Private, Birthdays, or some such)22:28
rysiek|plchem|st: no items, no ownCLoud-related calendars22:28
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rysiek|plchem|st: once I *add* a caldav account I can see a PROPFIND request in the server logs22:29
rysiek|plchem|st: after that, all's quiet on the western front22:29
rysiek|plchem|st: even if I ask Jolla to sync, there are no new requests visible in server logs22:30
rysiek|pltested with 2 different servers, both running owncloud 7.0.x22:30
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chem|strysiek|pl: have you tried to trigger by hand on CLI?23:35
chem|stI do not see all day events for now...23:35
chem|stin $HOME/.cache/msyncd/sync are the profiles listed, you may call dbus for23:37
chem|stsee https://together.jolla.com/question/49811/trigger-caldav-sync-from-command-line/23:37
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chem|strysiek|pl: if you have https active and an unknown cert, you need to load the owncloud site in the browser to accept the certificate before it is going to work23:39
chem|stif owncloud is updated and the php scripts did not run yet, it wont work either23:39
chem|stthat should be all I know so far23:39
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