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coderusHello guys08:37
coderusanyone can resell jolla with payment by instalment?08:38
coderusmy gf wants jolla too08:38
coderusbut i cant pay whole amount08:38
SK_workcybette: ^08:43
pp_dna will sell you one for 9,65e/month :-) but you'd probably have to live here08:44
cybettecoderus: not officially through the Jolla shop at least, but if you can find someone willing to work something out with you...08:50
coderuscybette: that exactly what i'm trying to do :)08:51
ruskieor you know... take out a loan with the bank for pay by installments... you'll get the money upfront and pay it back to the bank08:52
coderusruskie: i dont want to pay % ;)08:52
pp_only your operator will give you that kind of deal ;)08:53
ruskiewell some retailers offer 0% interest as well08:53
pp_and then they'll just get their % from locking you in08:53
ruskiebut you still have the initial extra cost08:53
ruskiealso you can try and get a better loan deal with the bank08:53
coderusi'm just searching for a people who can help or have Jolla to sell and can give it by instalment :)08:54
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Naranekbtw have you thought about making a custom other half only available for app developers?10:16
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coderusNaranek: kimmoli making toh proto for devs, you can order some10:19
suyNaranek: custom as in custom color to "reward" developers? or custom features?10:19
Naraneksuy: I was thinking more like a reward similar to the First One covers, but anything goes :D10:22
Temesomebody should start producing a toh that has a holder of some sort for a usb micro-usb thingy10:28
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Teme... for those days that i forgot to plug in the charger at night and am at work without a cable10:28
Temesome sort of super flat cable and connectors that the toh has a cut-open slit for :)10:29
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ruskiehehe10:33
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pp_you could order 20 cables from china at 1.50e each, of which 5 will be broken and the rest you can spread around everywhere you go10:34
coderuspp_: i ordered many cables from china and nothing was broken :)10:36
pp_my order was 2/3 working (and I'm not sure if one is only good for charging, not data) :-)10:36
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coderuslast time i ordered this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/371027512862?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT10:39
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Temepp_: that will be my next strategy i guess :p11:01
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eyea_UK_jolla )0!1@ joy11:14
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Diceedoes jolla have netflix app? :P11:15
pp_android one might work if you're lucky11:16
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pp_native & silverlight (isn't it so far?) may not be very likely to ever work :-)11:16
Diceeok11:17
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Diceeis there possible to automaticaly link the same names in contac list?11:45
tango_I'm going to ask for the oddest feature request ever: tether wifi over usb11:48
pp_iptables and you're good to go11:49
entildoesn't netflix stream drm-html5-video now? there was this thing that you could watch netflix natively under linux, with chrome, if you identify yourself as a windows chrome user, because they're trialing that on windows chrome11:50
entiland all chrome implements the codec11:50
entilyay for all chrome11:50
pp_safari on os x beta, only?11:50
pp_(I understood, could be wrong)11:50
Diceewell i checket the netflix app and it worked11:51
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Diceeatleast once :D lets see how it works when i realy need it :D11:51
entilthe first google hit sucks because it's tldr and ubuntu, but the second hit http://techreport.com/news/26897/new-chrome-beta-enables-html5-netflix-on-linux11:51
entilso yes, the linux chrome does support EME html5, but you need to trick netflix (for now) to get access11:52
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Diceehow about the link in contacts... is there possible to do it automaticly or do i need to do it manualy ?11:54
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tadzikI don't know of any automatic way11:55
Diceeok11:56
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tango_pp_: I know, that's what I did, but some UI for it would have been nicer12:04
tango_https://together.jolla.com/question/55118/feature-request-share-wifi-connection-over-usb/ <- here it is12:04
pp_connman dbus love might actually do the trick too12:05
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Yanielcoderus: what was the status of the activation thing with mitakuuluu?12:31
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coderusYaniel: explain12:36
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coderustango_: usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config12:48
coderusjust install this package and reboot12:48
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coderusand you will have "Connection sharing" option in usb modes12:49
coderus:D12:49
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Yanielwasn't there something when changing phones13:02
Shinryuuå13:02
Yanielthat you have to "activate" it first13:02
coderusYaniel: this? http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/general/2100986313:03
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Yanielyes13:09
coderusYaniel: so, what do you want?13:16
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bluboxthiefHi all.13:20
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bluboxthiefcybette: Are you there? Have you got a moment a few minutes?13:22
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cybettebluboxthief: hi, wassup?13:25
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Temehmm, has anyone else noticed that the last 20% of Jolla's battery drain significantly faster than for example 100%->80% ?13:40
Temeor is it purely psychological since the end times are at hand :P13:41
Temei mean after a typical day i have my Jolla in the morning at 100%, and when i come back from work it's about 70-80%13:41
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Temetoday i forgot to put in on charger so it had been off charger for 24h and at 37%, and ran out already at lunch break around 130013:42
Temeand by today i mean last night13:42
Temeany thoughts / data?13:43
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Nicd-I have noticed that for many devices13:45
TemeVit's totally possible that battery monitor is not perfectly calibrated13:45
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Nicd-my old Nokias used to have 5/5 battery for a long time, then 4-1 went really quick13:45
TemeVi'd guess it's not easy task to make that meter work linearily13:46
Temeshould be compensated in software then to make it linear :P13:46
Temevery annoying, i was considering do i need to take a charger with me today and thought that i'll be fine with 35%+ since usually during the day i use less13:47
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TemeVyes of course, but that might not be so simple either :)13:48
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Temewe are talking about a handheld dual-core computer with cellular capabilities and gigabytes of storage so i dunno if simple is a requirement to implement something.. but this might not be worth the effort :)13:58
Temei just got to learn to plug in the charger and/or buy a cable for work13:58
Nicd-anyway, battery meters are inaccurate13:58
Nicd-my macbook requires occasional recalibration too13:59
Nicd-dunno how it's done for jolla but for a macbook it's: charge to full, use to empty until computer shuts down, let stay without charger for 5 hours, connect charger and charge back to full13:59
Temei am currently doing that actually :)14:00
kimmoliohms law14:04
TemePUIMURI14:06
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phdeswerTemeV: Nicd- : Actually Nokia did this rapid discharing display on purpose. It would show 5 bars until 50% and then the rest would decrease more quickly. Actually there are car manufacturers that do similar things on their fuel gauges (to get people to stop at a gas station quicker)14:12
TemeVphdeswer: how does that make one refuel quicker? I would do just the opposite if that was the goal14:13
Temewat14:13
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phdeswerTemeV: the gauge indicator would move quicker to empty, which puts psychological pressure on the driver as it is more obvious he/she is running out of gas.14:14
TemeVok... interesting14:14
phdeswerSeems to help *mentally challenged* people to actually get gas on time and not run out.14:14
Temecool14:15
phdeswerIn the Nokia case they did it to keep people from starting to charge their phones too soon and give the illusion of longer battery life14:15
Temei have the same theory, except when it comes to the very last 10% and the "gas light"14:15
Temethose seem to last way longer than the manual states14:15
Teme(typically 50km in Europe, right?)14:16
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TemeVI thought that people observe the status of the gauge, not how fast it changes. But that's just me :)14:16
TemeVTeme: I think manufacturers tell how much fuel there is left when the light is lit14:16
TemeVIn my previous car it was 8 liters14:17
phdeswerTemeV: smart people yes, and they also seem to be able to make reasonable decisions based on that. Unfortunately a lot of people on this planet do not seem that gifted if you have to go by the car manufacturer experiences.14:17
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Temei've understood it's some sort of standard-y thing, where it should light when you can still complete 50 km with the vehicle, since different cars have different fuel economy14:17
TemeVyeah. Such a shame they have to mess up fuel gauge because of stupid people :p14:18
Temei demand linear gauges made available for us smart people!14:18
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TemeVTeme: might be there is some minimum for that. For my previous car it was around 100km on high way14:19
TemeVdepends of course where and how you drive14:19
Temeyeah14:19
TemeVI haven't even checked how it is in my current car14:19
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Temethere shouldn't even be any need14:20
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TemeVI'm not even sure if I've seen the light go on. Maybe I should try once to make sure it works :)14:20
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TemeVOh, now I remember. I've seen it once. It also started to beep really annoyingly, so it really forces you to refuel14:23
TemeVbeep every 5 min or something14:23
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tango_coderus: it also allows sharing the wlan via usb? nifty16:02
tango_I thought it was just for tethering16:02
tango_(or sharing the mobile via usb)16:02
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coderustango_: yup, only mobile16:03
coderusfor wlan use script16:03
coderushttp://paste.kde.org/p2rlhgma516:03
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coderus./forward_script wlan0 rndis016:03
tango_coderus: yeah, I wrote something like that myself16:03
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tango_the feature request was to have it as a UI16:04
coderustango_: you can patch usb-moded and add your action with wlan instead of rmnet easily16:04
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coderushttps://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded16:04
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tango_coderus: so I could send a patch for  https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded ?16:04
tango_lol16:04
coderusyes16:05
tango_I'll look into that, thanks16:05
coderusall existing actions are here16:05
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tango_hm does that thing an UI?16:06
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coderustango_: in lipstick16:14
coderuseasier is just replace some available action to your16:14
coderusto apply different usb-moded action16:15
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keithzgArghh how in the world do I get tracker to actually index my music on my sdcard? It seems to just steadfastly refuse.16:34
keithzgDidn't use to, but as of the current Sailfish version it just won't do it.16:35
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keithzgOr more specifically, everything on the sdcard shows up as unknown artist, unknown album, and in place of song title it lists the filename.16:37
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keithzgIf the Media app allowed browsing by folders that'd be quasi-workable, but as is . . .16:37
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keithzgIf I try an manually tell it to index a file using --index-file, I just get errors like "(tracker-control:2537): Tracker-CRITICAL **: Could not create proxy on the D-Bus session bus, Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Applications: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs exited with status 1"16:39
Yanielcoderus: registration code via sms got me htto_error_99 or so16:40
keithzg...after which it, with blissful ignorance, immediately reports "(Re)indexing file was successful"16:40
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coderusYaniel: or so or what? :)16:47
coderusYaniel: i need logfile :)16:47
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Yanielthat might take a while, no pc available atm16:48
YanielI'll see abut it later16:49
coderusYaniel: cd /tmp16:52
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coderusYaniel: zip mitakuuluu2log.zip mitakuuluu2.log16:52
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coderusYaniel: cp mitakuuluu2log.zip /home/nemo/Downloads16:52
coderuscreate email then and attach zip file :)16:52
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Yanielhmm sounds better16:58
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Yanielemail address?17:01
coderuscoderusinbox@gmail.com17:02
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Yanieloh except that jollas email client does not support attaching zip filesit seems17:05
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coderusYaniel: ah, copy it to /home/nemo/Documents to attach17:08
javispedrokeithzg, but is your SD card special in any way?17:08
javispedrokeithzg, or have you changed the way it is mounted? or the mountpoint?17:08
Yanielnope17:09
Yaniel"copy documents to the device"17:09
coderusYaniel: ?17:10
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coderusopen Email - pulldown menu - compose - click ... - attach17:10
Yanielnope17:11
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Yanielanyway, what kind of line would be relevant?17:11
Yanielnetwork error: 99?17:12
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keithzgjavispedro: Nothing special at all, just a stock fat32 sdcard being mounted automatically with no intervention on my part. And it all indexed fine before the last system upgrade, I swear :(17:13
coderusYaniel: nope what?? :D17:13
coderuscd /tmp17:13
Yanieldoesn't show any files17:13
coderuscp mitakuuluu2log.zip /home/nemo/Documents17:13
YanielI zipped the log and copied it over17:13
Yanielbut it doesn't show17:14
coderusYaniel: in email attach?17:14
Yanielthere17:14
Yanielattach->documents->"copy files to device"17:14
coderusworksforme :D17:15
Yanielwhatever17:16
Yanielany ideas what could be wrong? or should I just try the other registration method17:16
keithzgjavispedro: Currently backing up the contents, then I'm going to try reformatting (hell, might write an entirely new partition table) and copying them back over. Should I consider using something other than fat32? It *is* a rather fragile filesystem, I've certainly experienced weirder things over the years that turned out to be FAT errors . . .17:17
javispedronot really17:17
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keithzgSo I can't just shake my fist in the general direction of Redmond? Drat ;)17:19
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stephgkeithzg: do you need computer compatability for the sdcard?17:19
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stephg(if not, or you're only ever going to use it with linux I'd say ext4 or btrfs if you want to live dangerously)17:19
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keithzgstephg: Naw, not really. And if I was ever going to put it in a computer it'd only be Linux. I *do* like to live dangerously, but consdiering I'm already trying to track down why this issue is occurring, probably adding btrfs to the mix would be a bad plan ;)17:20
tbrOK, I'm not amused, not the slightest bit. Apparently my device decided to go into a "permanently locked" state, without me doing anything.17:20
coderusYaniel: what is the strange jolla-hacks package? :D17:20
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w00ttbr: symptoms?17:20
SK_workcoderus: try17:21
tbrw00t: device says "Permanently locked" and I can't unlock it17:21
w00ttbr: mind taking a photo?17:21
tbrsure, coming up17:21
coderusSK_work: it contains only /usr/bin/jolla-hacks17:21
coderuswhich is script with shebang line only :D17:21
SK_worktbr: did you set a max number of trials ?17:21
SK_workcoderus: woow, that's a pretty dangerous hack17:22
SK_workyou know what, I think there are some jolla apps that check if this file exists17:22
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coderusYaniel: try rename it to mitakuuluu2log.doc or so17:22
SK_workand adapt their behaviour17:22
coderusi'll rename when receive17:22
SK_workcoderus: for example, there are reference of "demomode" in sailfish silica17:22
w00tcoderus: hacks was where various small stupid stuff was worked around until there was a better place to do it / it was done properly17:23
tbrSK_work: yes, it was set to 10 times. I most certainly did not try to unlock it 10 times and it was never accessible to a third party.17:23
SK_worktbr: pockt ?17:23
SK_workgot this on my N95017:23
tbrSK_work: that's what the proximity sensor is for?17:23
SK_work10 times, tried to dial some wrong code in the pocket, and then, reformatted :(17:23
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w00tI suppose I should say "is", not "was", since I imagine it'll get used again sometime :)17:23
SK_worktbr: dunno17:24
coderusw00t: i know what hack means :D17:25
Yanielcoderus: got it and sent17:25
coderusYaniel: fine :)17:25
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tbrw00t: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111101795166699165422/posts/bhgVx6tJVLQ17:26
coderusYaniel: it's UnknownNetworkError17:27
w00tJonni: ^ can you help tbr do some diagnostics/whatever perhaps17:27
coderusYaniel: it was more likely registered but disconnected17:27
coderusYaniel: you must write and rememner same salt while registering17:28
coderusto register next time without password17:28
coderusYaniel: now you can use voice registration probably17:28
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Jonnitbr: if you known your lockcode and if your able to provide me shell access, for example reverse ssh pipe to recovery mode telnet port, I should be able to help you :)17:33
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tbrJonni: yes, other options are that we have a coffee tomorrow at your office.17:34
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tbrI'd very much like to know how this happened17:34
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Jonnitbr: usually it should never happen, unless proximity sensor fails in pocket and you are able to press enter 10 times.17:36
coderusit's why i set unlimited17:37
coderusbecause my pocket is very responsive and phone thinks it's actually my hand :D17:37
tbrJonni: yeah, I'm trying to think how this could have happened. What if lipstick restarts? does it come up even if proximity is covered?17:37
Jonnitbr: but yes, I'm in tampere office tomorrow if your not able to create ssh pipe17:37
coderustbr: yes, lipstick restart unlocking screen.17:38
tbrJonni: I could, but I wouldn't mind visiting you guys again, it's been a few months since I was there.17:38
coderusand come with "enter pin:" screen17:38
tbrJonni: I'm pondering if there should be something like that after n consecutive wrong entries it does an "intermediate lock" that requires something more elaborate, like rebooting your device.17:39
Jonnitbr: lipstick restart does wake up the lock screen, but it doesnt increase the failed counter.17:39
coderusprobably "ENter pin" screen should be hidden if proximity covered?17:40
tbrJonni: yes, but if lipstick fails while it's in my pocket, I then have a turned on screen and my butt-chee happily pressing enter17:40
Jonnitbr: but yes, if lipstick happens to crash, then its more likely to misbeheave in pocket17:40
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tbrIt's not an urgent thing. But I would consider this as an improvement feature.17:40
Jonnicoderus: well keyevents are not triggered when proximity is covered, so you cannot enter pin or press confirm17:41
coderusor have same behaviour as lockscreen. means faster locking screen back if unused17:41
tbrIIRC other phones did similar things, but I can't remember which ones17:41
Jonnibut some pockets might be loose :)17:41
tbrThis would also fail the "toddler test"17:42
coderuslike my own pocket :D17:42
tbrshirt pockets are notorious for waking up the screen17:42
coderusit like writing sms and calling17:42
coderuseven having phone and messages inside folders17:42
coderusmy pocket always opening it and starting writing texts :D17:42
w00ttbr: it's still better than happened to my other half's n9's which was to wipe when you entered the wrong code too many times, as my other half found out when her brother was screwing around with it just "for fun" :)17:43
coderusif not it sometimes opening Notes app and writing texts here :D17:43
tbrw00t: ugh17:43
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tbrw00t: still better than triggering a remote wipe on an N9 from an Exchange server. → support or something close to relabelling.17:44
w00tand this was pre-security-revelations, so we couldn't even ask the NSA for their backup! :)17:44
AL13Ndude... if it's in the last 20/30 years, you can be sure NSA has it17:44
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tbrand all is good. developer mode and magic incantations saved the day.17:59
w00ttbr: which incantations? :-)18:00
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SfietKonstantintbr: how did you fixed the permanently locked issue ?18:04
Jonniw00t: secret ones to reset the counter :)18:04
tbrSfietKonstantin: the fact that developer mode is on helps18:04
SfietKonstantintbr: how did you accessed dev mode while device being locked ?18:05
tbryou waive your security at the door (or at least it becomes your own responsibility)18:05
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coderustbr: you can enter valid security code and proceed with recovery shell?18:07
tbrhaven't tried that as I didn't need to, but that would have been my next step to check.18:08
tbrbefore having either a sailor look into it or just nuking the device from orbit with a full reflash.18:09
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coderusguys18:24
coderus[17906.834913] mmc1: mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -110)18:24
coderus[17906.834913] mmc1: error -110 whilst initialising SD card18:24
coderussdcard dead?18:24
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tbrcould be anything. IIRC that's one of those catch all errors18:25
tbrtry it with a different reader, clean contacts, etc18:25
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coderusits on Jolla18:32
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coderusdifferent card works ok18:32
coderuscontacts are ok18:32
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tbrcoderus: could be a dead card then18:41
Sail0r-110 is ETIMEDOUT       110     /* Connection timed out */":18:41
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coderusok, trashed card :)18:43
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spiiroinJonni, tbr, coderus: lipstick is compositor too; without compositor we do not know if it is safe to have display powered off -> loss of compositor -> display is powered up asap18:46
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coderusspiiroin: why without compositor?18:48
coderusspiiroin: i just wish to have display off if  "Locked" page showed for a long time but not touched18:49
tbra similar timer like for the lock screen might be good to consider (much shorter)18:50
spiiroincoderus: kernel side can go to various requires-reboot-to-recover states if rendering is attempted while fb is suspended18:50
spiirointhus until each and every thing that draws on screen implements compositor interface, we need to assume no-compositor == display must not be powered off18:52
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spiiroin... but the touch input could be blocked until proximity is uncovered in such situations18:55
* spiiroin goes to file a ticket18:57
coderusspiiroin: it's already here18:58
spiiroincoderus: what is?18:58
coderus23:41 < Jonni> coderus: well keyevents are not triggered when proximity is covered, so you cannot enter pin or press confirm18:58
spiirointhat would be some special device lock thing then; without device lock it would land to home screen with inputs active18:59
spiiroinor at least I think it would, need to check19:00
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spiiroinit does19:03
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ortylpVDVsx: hi, I have recently had root partition low on disk space, after this incident email is no more synced and I am not able to set the schedule any more (in settings of the account).  Can you gie me a hint what needs to be fixed or I have to restore factory defaults?19:41
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