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Naranekhttp://www.popsci.com/article/technology/mysterious-phony-cell-towers-could-be-intercepting-your-calls What's the baseband situation on Jolla? Can we get any information out of it?10:39
slateEA4 for mako seems to working quite well.10:39
slatebut grr, how to reauth with mitakuuluu?10:39
tango_I so wish the browser stopped prepending www.10:42
Nicd-Naranek: afaik the baseband on Jolla is a black box10:44
Nicd-dunno how the CryptoPhone's "baseband firewall" works10:44
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Nicd-from the screenshots even it looks like it's just monitoring the modem from the outside and alerts if it does something that might be suspicious10:46
tbrNicd-: all QC BB is a black box10:46
tbrNicd-: although I do distinctly remember that this particular use case might be covered by the data provided through ofono-ril10:47
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Naranekthere seems to be some info at Together10:47
Nicd-what about the mic for example, can the OS turn it off so the modem cannot access it?10:47
tbrNaranek: mobile network based positioning needs the cell IDs too, so you can probably get them10:47
Nicd-i.e. does the mic data go through the OS to the baseband?10:48
tbrNicd-: modem and APU are on the same silicon and likely DMA the same RAM...10:48
Nicd-:(10:48
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tbrif you are paranoid, don't use electronic devices, at all.10:48
Naranekyou don't need to be paranoid to care about security10:50
Naranekjust saying10:50
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tbrNaranek: yes, sure. it is a question of level of trust. do you trust your OS? do you trust the CPU? do you trust the SoC? etc. depending on it: roll your own OS, roll your own CPU in a FPGA, roll your own silicon from a bucket of sand10:52
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phdeswerNaranek: it is unlikely that from the QC BB can turn on the mic though....10:53
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Naranekwell another approach - what is the best way to get the lowest level access to network resources on Jolla?10:58
phdeswerWhat do you mean with lowest level access to network resources exactly?10:59
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Nicd-Naranek: probably talking to the baseband directly11:02
phdeswerAnd just above that is ofono11:03
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AL13N_worki suppose for ofono, you'd have to do quite some reverse engineering to improve it11:10
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tbrAL13N_work: ofono is all open source11:30
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AL13N_worktbr: exactly11:46
tbrAL13N_work: so your "lots of RE" doesn't make sense, as ofono is all open.11:47
AL13N_worktbr: you can code on it, but it's probably using a kernel driver that takes to the hardwarE?11:47
AL13N_work*talks11:47
tbrno, it's using a unix socket to talk to RILd11:48
AL13N_workoic11:48
Stskeeps(open protocol)11:48
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tbrand while standardized, every goddamn vendor has at least 10 incompatible revisions of it11:48
AL13N_workso theres quite some layers between ofono and the baseband11:48
AL13N_worktbr: no doubt about that :-)11:48
tbrlittle variations and quirks11:48
Stskeepstbr: +111:48
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r0kk3rzcould probably talk to the ofono project guys about it though12:02
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Temehi guys, is it normal that if Jolla runs out of battery and you plug it in to charge it won't boot up but only shows the "charging lightning"-icon and percentage?13:29
Temeand what could be the reasoning behind that?13:30
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VDVsxTeme, afaik, it wont boot until it has some 2-3% of battery even on charger, that's a issue that in be fixed in upcoming sw releases13:31
Nicd-it means the phone is off but charging13:31
Temei had it run out of batter yesterday and just for testing i let it charge up to 40%+ and it didn't boot up13:31
Temethen i needed to use it so i had to unplug and boot :)13:31
TemeNicd-: that much i figured - my problem is that it won't boot during that time13:32
Temeunplug cable, boot, replug for charging seems to work flawlessly13:32
Nicd-that is a bug then. but many devices won't boot until they have a set amount of charge13:33
TemeVTeme: I've noticed the same. I can't boot when charger is connected13:33
Nicd-I just never turn off my phone :P13:33
Temethis must be a known bug so i won't even bother to scour tjc13:33
Nicd-though I should, the memory and swap is full13:33
TemeVbattery runs out every now and then13:34
TemeNicd-: me neither but sometimes i just run out of battery :(13:34
TemeVconnect to charger for minute -> unplug -> boot -> replug works every time13:34
Temehttps://together.jolla.com/question/23724/bug-introduced-in-1038-unable-to-reboot-device-with-charger-plugged-in/13:35
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* stephg thinks his μUSB port may be on the way out :(14:25
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stephgoh no, just the cable14:27
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Yanielcoderus: interesting, tried sms again today and suddenly it worked. It actually signed in immediately when the sms arrived.15:00
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coderusYaniel: ineresting what? i explained this situation yesterday :)15:01
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Yanielah right15:02
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Yanielbut if it registered, why would I have to try registering again?15:02
Yanielinstead of it signing in at next startup15:03
coderusYaniel: application doesnt received reply from server15:03
coderusbut it was produced, but connection dead unexpectedly before it actually received15:04
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Yanielah15:04
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coderusso server think you just registered, but application doesnt received credentials15:04
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coderusand new registration cannot e happened without delay15:04
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coderusto avoid this situation remember salt password you used15:05
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coderusand if you vanish your registration credentials you can receive new password from server without receiving sms code15:05
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Yanielhmm15:08
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Yanielwhere does the jolla get its time from?17:54
Yanielbecause mine is like 5mins behind17:54
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NaranekMine is on time by the second. It probably get's it from the network.17:58
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r0kk3rzyou should be able to set ntpd up on it17:59
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r0kk3rzwhich would be better than relying on network time17:59
r0kk3rz*mobile network time18:00
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r0kk3rzit is handy when you jump timezones though, as it adjusts automagically18:00
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DrainBamagedMy Jolla is randomly rebooting itself and switching itself off etc. :(18:17
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coderusDrainBamaged: clean battery contacts or go to service :D18:21
coderusStskeeps ^ lbt :P18:21
DrainBamagedYur, just looking at service atm18:21
coderusDrainBamaged: tried clearing contacts already?18:21
DrainBamagedThey look ok18:22
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DrainBamagedSure, looks can be decieving18:22
DrainBamagedI've got some compressed air, would that do the trick?18:22
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teveit'll make things "worse". You want to get rid of oxide layer, not to increase it :-)18:25
DrainBamagedok, tyvm teve & coderus18:29
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DrainBamagedOddly it is fine with the other half off18:34
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DrainBamagedMust be a misnomer, just put it back on and its ok... for now :P18:35
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r0kk3rzget some gaffers tape and put a strip on the TOH where the battery sits18:36
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r0kk3rzthats the official jolla fix right?18:36
DrainBamagedlol @ offical18:37
r0kk3rzbasically its fairly common for the battery to wiggle its way out, because its not held securely enough by the TOH18:38
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tbrr0kk3rz: actually the battery sits TOO tight IMHO18:39
tbrr0kk3rz: the current community hypothesis is that contacts don't clean themselves by vibration/movement, oxide builds up, impedance goes up18:39
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tbrr0kk3rz: what works for most people is to properly clean contact surfaces to remove any grease or oxide18:40
DrainBamagedI'll light you fight it out :P18:40
DrainBamaged*let18:40
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DrainBamagedWhat's the best way to clean the contacts?18:41
r0kk3rzno fight, that wasn't what I'd read about it, hasnt happened to mine yet18:42
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DrainBamagedMy comment was tongue in cheek :D18:43
tbrDrainBamaged: depends on what you have. there are professional cleaning fluids. but a hard rubber eraser (blue side of red blue) or a gentle screw driver swipe will do as well18:43
r0kk3rzthe battery is held fairly tightly by the phone side, so its possible18:43
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DrainBamagedAll right, I'll give it a rumble18:43
DrainBamagedThank you for all of your input18:44
DrainBamagedIt is appreciated18:44
r0kk3rzi would have thought that would manifest other symptoms though18:46
r0kk3rzlike battery life18:46
DrainBamagedBattery life is just super on it18:46
DrainBamagedOk, so I'm not popular and don't get many calls or texts but I've had it on 12 hours and I'm on 77%18:47
AL13Ntbr: what if we would make it looser so that the battery contacts often move?18:48
tbrAL13N: that may or may not work.18:48
tbrAL13N: I guess what's required is lateral movement, not hence and forth18:48
AL13Ni guess the problem might be that it might occasionally lose the connection18:48
AL13Ni wonder if a capacitor might overcome the occasional connection loss from movement18:49
AL13Nbut then the phone would be heavier18:49
r0kk3rzDrainBamaged: check upower -d18:49
DrainBamagedDo what?18:50
DrainBamagedIn the terminal?18:50
r0kk3rzyeah18:50
tbrAL13N: that's overengineering18:50
r0kk3rzshows battery stats18:50
DrainBamagedok, I'll do this, moment18:50
AL13Ntbr: it shows that i'm not a phone designer18:50
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DrainBamagedok, done that18:52
DrainBamagedWhat are you looking for in there, r0kk3rz?18:53
r0kk3rzvoltage, capacity18:55
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DrainBamaged4.02734 V, 100%, respectively18:56
r0kk3rzcurrent charge is 77%?18:56
DrainBamagedPercentage is 77%18:57
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r0kk3rzseems fine18:58
r0kk3rzcapacity at 100% is a little odd though18:59
r0kk3rzbut not too odd18:59
DrainBamagedThe user is odd too, does this count?19:00
r0kk3rzwhats under energy-full and energy-full-design19:00
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DrainBamaged7.98646 Wh and 7.98 Wh, respectively19:03
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r0kk3rznothing weird19:07
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kimmolihmm... https://twitter.com/here/status/50761567554885632019:55
Diceehmm any idea why friends dont puplish my comments :\20:02
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pdanekHave you seen new Samsung UNPACKED?21:51
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