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| Naranek | http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/mysterious-phony-cell-towers-could-be-intercepting-your-calls What's the baseband situation on Jolla? Can we get any information out of it? | 10:39 |
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| slate | EA4 for mako seems to working quite well. | 10:39 |
| slate | but grr, how to reauth with mitakuuluu? | 10:39 |
| tango_ | I so wish the browser stopped prepending www. | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | Naranek: afaik the baseband on Jolla is a black box | 10:44 |
| Nicd- | dunno how the CryptoPhone's "baseband firewall" works | 10:44 |
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| Nicd- | from the screenshots even it looks like it's just monitoring the modem from the outside and alerts if it does something that might be suspicious | 10:46 |
| tbr | Nicd-: all QC BB is a black box | 10:46 |
| tbr | Nicd-: although I do distinctly remember that this particular use case might be covered by the data provided through ofono-ril | 10:47 |
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| Naranek | there seems to be some info at Together | 10:47 |
| Nicd- | what about the mic for example, can the OS turn it off so the modem cannot access it? | 10:47 |
| tbr | Naranek: mobile network based positioning needs the cell IDs too, so you can probably get them | 10:47 |
| Nicd- | i.e. does the mic data go through the OS to the baseband? | 10:48 |
| tbr | Nicd-: modem and APU are on the same silicon and likely DMA the same RAM... | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | :( | 10:48 |
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| tbr | if you are paranoid, don't use electronic devices, at all. | 10:48 |
| Naranek | you don't need to be paranoid to care about security | 10:50 |
| Naranek | just saying | 10:50 |
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| tbr | Naranek: yes, sure. it is a question of level of trust. do you trust your OS? do you trust the CPU? do you trust the SoC? etc. depending on it: roll your own OS, roll your own CPU in a FPGA, roll your own silicon from a bucket of sand | 10:52 |
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| phdeswer | Naranek: it is unlikely that from the QC BB can turn on the mic though.... | 10:53 |
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| Naranek | well another approach - what is the best way to get the lowest level access to network resources on Jolla? | 10:58 |
| phdeswer | What do you mean with lowest level access to network resources exactly? | 10:59 |
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| Nicd- | Naranek: probably talking to the baseband directly | 11:02 |
| phdeswer | And just above that is ofono | 11:03 |
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| AL13N_work | i suppose for ofono, you'd have to do quite some reverse engineering to improve it | 11:10 |
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| tbr | AL13N_work: ofono is all open source | 11:30 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: exactly | 11:46 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: so your "lots of RE" doesn't make sense, as ofono is all open. | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: you can code on it, but it's probably using a kernel driver that takes to the hardwarE? | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | *talks | 11:47 |
| tbr | no, it's using a unix socket to talk to RILd | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | oic | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | (open protocol) | 11:48 |
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| tbr | and while standardized, every goddamn vendor has at least 10 incompatible revisions of it | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | so theres quite some layers between ofono and the baseband | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: no doubt about that :-) | 11:48 |
| tbr | little variations and quirks | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: +1 | 11:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | could probably talk to the ofono project guys about it though | 12:02 |
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| Teme | hi guys, is it normal that if Jolla runs out of battery and you plug it in to charge it won't boot up but only shows the "charging lightning"-icon and percentage? | 13:29 |
| Teme | and what could be the reasoning behind that? | 13:30 |
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| VDVsx | Teme, afaik, it wont boot until it has some 2-3% of battery even on charger, that's a issue that in be fixed in upcoming sw releases | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | it means the phone is off but charging | 13:31 |
| Teme | i had it run out of batter yesterday and just for testing i let it charge up to 40%+ and it didn't boot up | 13:31 |
| Teme | then i needed to use it so i had to unplug and boot :) | 13:31 |
| Teme | Nicd-: that much i figured - my problem is that it won't boot during that time | 13:32 |
| Teme | unplug cable, boot, replug for charging seems to work flawlessly | 13:32 |
| Nicd- | that is a bug then. but many devices won't boot until they have a set amount of charge | 13:33 |
| TemeV | Teme: I've noticed the same. I can't boot when charger is connected | 13:33 |
| Nicd- | I just never turn off my phone :P | 13:33 |
| Teme | this must be a known bug so i won't even bother to scour tjc | 13:33 |
| Nicd- | though I should, the memory and swap is full | 13:33 |
| TemeV | battery runs out every now and then | 13:34 |
| Teme | Nicd-: me neither but sometimes i just run out of battery :( | 13:34 |
| TemeV | connect to charger for minute -> unplug -> boot -> replug works every time | 13:34 |
| Teme | https://together.jolla.com/question/23724/bug-introduced-in-1038-unable-to-reboot-device-with-charger-plugged-in/ | 13:35 |
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| * stephg thinks his μUSB port may be on the way out :( | 14:25 | |
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| stephg | oh no, just the cable | 14:27 |
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| Yaniel | coderus: interesting, tried sms again today and suddenly it worked. It actually signed in immediately when the sms arrived. | 15:00 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: ineresting what? i explained this situation yesterday :) | 15:01 |
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| Yaniel | ah right | 15:02 |
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| Yaniel | but if it registered, why would I have to try registering again? | 15:02 |
| Yaniel | instead of it signing in at next startup | 15:03 |
| coderus | Yaniel: application doesnt received reply from server | 15:03 |
| coderus | but it was produced, but connection dead unexpectedly before it actually received | 15:04 |
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| Yaniel | ah | 15:04 |
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| coderus | so server think you just registered, but application doesnt received credentials | 15:04 |
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| coderus | and new registration cannot e happened without delay | 15:04 |
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| coderus | to avoid this situation remember salt password you used | 15:05 |
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| coderus | and if you vanish your registration credentials you can receive new password from server without receiving sms code | 15:05 |
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| Yaniel | hmm | 15:08 |
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| Yaniel | where does the jolla get its time from? | 17:54 |
| Yaniel | because mine is like 5mins behind | 17:54 |
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| Naranek | Mine is on time by the second. It probably get's it from the network. | 17:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | you should be able to set ntpd up on it | 17:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | which would be better than relying on network time | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | *mobile network time | 18:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | it is handy when you jump timezones though, as it adjusts automagically | 18:00 |
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| DrainBamaged | My Jolla is randomly rebooting itself and switching itself off etc. :( | 18:17 |
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| coderus | DrainBamaged: clean battery contacts or go to service :D | 18:21 |
| coderus | Stskeeps ^ lbt :P | 18:21 |
| DrainBamaged | Yur, just looking at service atm | 18:21 |
| coderus | DrainBamaged: tried clearing contacts already? | 18:21 |
| DrainBamaged | They look ok | 18:22 |
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| DrainBamaged | Sure, looks can be decieving | 18:22 |
| DrainBamaged | I've got some compressed air, would that do the trick? | 18:22 |
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| teve | it'll make things "worse". You want to get rid of oxide layer, not to increase it :-) | 18:25 |
| DrainBamaged | ok, tyvm teve & coderus | 18:29 |
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| DrainBamaged | Oddly it is fine with the other half off | 18:34 |
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| DrainBamaged | Must be a misnomer, just put it back on and its ok... for now :P | 18:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | get some gaffers tape and put a strip on the TOH where the battery sits | 18:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats the official jolla fix right? | 18:36 |
| DrainBamaged | lol @ offical | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | basically its fairly common for the battery to wiggle its way out, because its not held securely enough by the TOH | 18:38 |
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| tbr | r0kk3rz: actually the battery sits TOO tight IMHO | 18:39 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: the current community hypothesis is that contacts don't clean themselves by vibration/movement, oxide builds up, impedance goes up | 18:39 |
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| tbr | r0kk3rz: what works for most people is to properly clean contact surfaces to remove any grease or oxide | 18:40 |
| DrainBamaged | I'll light you fight it out :P | 18:40 |
| DrainBamaged | *let | 18:40 |
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| DrainBamaged | What's the best way to clean the contacts? | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | no fight, that wasn't what I'd read about it, hasnt happened to mine yet | 18:42 |
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| DrainBamaged | My comment was tongue in cheek :D | 18:43 |
| tbr | DrainBamaged: depends on what you have. there are professional cleaning fluids. but a hard rubber eraser (blue side of red blue) or a gentle screw driver swipe will do as well | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | the battery is held fairly tightly by the phone side, so its possible | 18:43 |
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| DrainBamaged | All right, I'll give it a rumble | 18:43 |
| DrainBamaged | Thank you for all of your input | 18:44 |
| DrainBamaged | It is appreciated | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | i would have thought that would manifest other symptoms though | 18:46 |
| r0kk3rz | like battery life | 18:46 |
| DrainBamaged | Battery life is just super on it | 18:46 |
| DrainBamaged | Ok, so I'm not popular and don't get many calls or texts but I've had it on 12 hours and I'm on 77% | 18:47 |
| AL13N | tbr: what if we would make it looser so that the battery contacts often move? | 18:48 |
| tbr | AL13N: that may or may not work. | 18:48 |
| tbr | AL13N: I guess what's required is lateral movement, not hence and forth | 18:48 |
| AL13N | i guess the problem might be that it might occasionally lose the connection | 18:48 |
| AL13N | i wonder if a capacitor might overcome the occasional connection loss from movement | 18:49 |
| AL13N | but then the phone would be heavier | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz | DrainBamaged: check upower -d | 18:49 |
| DrainBamaged | Do what? | 18:50 |
| DrainBamaged | In the terminal? | 18:50 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 18:50 |
| tbr | AL13N: that's overengineering | 18:50 |
| r0kk3rz | shows battery stats | 18:50 |
| DrainBamaged | ok, I'll do this, moment | 18:50 |
| AL13N | tbr: it shows that i'm not a phone designer | 18:50 |
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| DrainBamaged | ok, done that | 18:52 |
| DrainBamaged | What are you looking for in there, r0kk3rz? | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | voltage, capacity | 18:55 |
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| DrainBamaged | 4.02734 V, 100%, respectively | 18:56 |
| r0kk3rz | current charge is 77%? | 18:56 |
| DrainBamaged | Percentage is 77% | 18:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | seems fine | 18:58 |
| r0kk3rz | capacity at 100% is a little odd though | 18:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but not too odd | 18:59 |
| DrainBamaged | The user is odd too, does this count? | 19:00 |
| r0kk3rz | whats under energy-full and energy-full-design | 19:00 |
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| DrainBamaged | 7.98646 Wh and 7.98 Wh, respectively | 19:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | nothing weird | 19:07 |
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| kimmoli | hmm... https://twitter.com/here/status/507615675548856320 | 19:55 |
| Dicee | hmm any idea why friends dont puplish my comments :\ | 20:02 |
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