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WntI added some contacts to my google account (that is set to two way contact sync on Jolla) about an hour ago using https://www.google.com/contacts but the contacts are not yet available on the phone07:36
Wntthe Google account is in Available mode on the device. Is there a way to manually start the sync?07:36
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rusty88settings->accoutnts->google07:42
rusty88the pulldown menu has the sync option Wnt07:43
Wntrusty88: Oh! :D thanks!07:43
rusty88Wnt: yw ;)07:44
Wntbut still the new contacts won't appear on the phone :(07:48
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tango_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y6PqQ1JnIA is lenovo copyin the TOH idea?08:28
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* tango_ hopes jolla oy has some protection on it08:28
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Sail0rhm steam does correctly trigger notifications on jolla10:56
Sail0rbut tapatalk does not :x10:56
Sail0rbut jolla does not group the steam notifications10:56
Nicd-hehe, my volume indicator got stuck on the screen10:57
Nicd-it kind of obscures things10:58
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Sail0rYesterday I had the first reboot since the new phone arrived11:07
Sail0rhopefully it does not come back11:07
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javispedroso I guess the Jolla doesn't force-shutdown when the power button is held down?12:24
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javispedroYesterday it's been the first time I've had to remove the battery on mine every since I got the replacement one on march12:25
claudoesn't it? I thought it works if you keep the power button pressed long enough12:25
javispedrohow long are we talking about -- 15 secs?12:26
Nicd-it does12:26
javispedroI tried 30sec to no avail12:26
Nicd-or do you mean if it's stuck?12:26
javispedroyeah, stuck12:26
claufrom where? lock screen?12:26
javispedroit was stuck on lock screen. dragging it would make the usual pulldown menu feedback (vibrator&noise)12:27
javispedrobut the screen itself would not update12:27
javispedroshort-pressing power button would turn screen on/off12:27
claupull up from below12:27
mekluI had that sort of stuff once...12:27
mekluyeah, pulling from below I think fixed it12:27
clauit might be stuck in notifications screen12:27
mekluI was rather puzzled by the phenomenon12:27
javispedroclau: good point12:28
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javispedroclau, though, I think it would've turn off the normal way if it was stuck in notifications12:28
javispedrothe thing is, I never realized it didn't have a hard-poweroff button..12:29
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AL13N_worki though the powerbutton long press was using ACPI signals12:36
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AL13N_workso, a kernel panic would not have it work12:36
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javispedro... ACPI on ARM?12:37
AL13N_worki meant, similar12:37
AL13N_worksorry12:37
AL13N_worki meant that i didn't think it used things like the SysReq keys12:38
javispedrosysrq keys are still software12:38
AL13N_workyes12:38
AL13N_workbut those still work on kernel panic12:38
javispedroon most devices a long power key press is handled by hardware12:38
javispedro(or core firmware)12:39
AL13N_workwell the detection of long press is firmware, so i doubt it could be hardware12:39
AL13N_workunless specific chip code, but then is that still hardware?12:39
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javispedroAL13N, many chips contain hardware to do this12:46
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AL13N_workyes12:47
javispedrobecause it would be useless as a reset mechanism if it didn't work with the CPU stuck12:47
AL13N_worki wonder with all those reprogrammable and general purpose chips, at what point is it hardware or software?12:49
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AL13N_workespecially if it's a chip that has firmware loaded12:49
clauI guess we think about it as hw if it doesn't depend on cpu12:49
AL13N_workbut, what about gpu?.12:50
AL13N_workor raid controllers?12:50
AL13N_workor even BIOS chips12:50
AL13N_worksounds like a gray area to me12:51
AL13N_workanyway, i think if you have an SoC, chances are high the long-press is not 100% failsafe for any other components that get stuck12:52
AL13N_work(i mean other than the battery and the button itself)12:53
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Nicd-err, is this supposed to happen? I'm in an app, but when I swipe away, I go to the lock pad13:00
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Nicd-i.e. the phone has locked itself while the app is active and the display is on13:01
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clauI noticed some issues with the timers too, maybe it's the same root cause. Sometimes the 5s sleep timer still applies even when I unlock and go to an app.13:04
clauother tines it takes 30s to go to sleep from lock screen.13:04
claumaybe the lock tiner was still active in your case, and phone was locked while you were doing something else.13:05
Nicd-it's funny, now the display won't apparently go back to sleep13:11
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Nicd-but it's not fatal, as I can just swipe back to the lock screen13:11
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clauI believe that also happened to me once.13:14
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gexccan we estimate the figure of sales of jolla in HK by counting saberIM downloads in openrepos?14:00
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ShihuaWow,there are many14:02
Shihuapeople.14:02
ShihuaHello14:02
tbrmoo14:02
coderusvery wow! much hello!14:02
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ShihuaSorry,My English is poor.14:02
Temehello there14:02
ShihuaThrough jollaphone know this.14:02
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coderusShihua: everything okay! I;m just joling. Much!14:02
coderusjoking*14:02
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ShihuaExcuse me,you are all Finnish?14:02
tbrno14:02
coderusShihua: no, i'm from cold country of polar bears, vodka, matreshka and balalaika14:03
* AL13N_work checks his id14:03
ShihuaYou are all the developer for jolla?14:03
AL13N_workcoderus: siberia?14:03
AL13N_worknot me14:03
coderusAL13N_work: siberia is geographical place, not country :D14:04
AL13N_workyou sure?14:04
AL13N_workor maybe "not yet"14:04
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javispedroShihua, developers, contributors, or users.14:05
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* AL13N_work was gonna do some sort of ukraine joke, but refrains from doing so14:05
* AL13N_work heard jolla has around 100 employees, so given the people in the channel, i'd say, they can't all be devs :-)14:06
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coderusAL13N_work: lol :D14:07
Stskeeps90% marketing, and then 10% coders? ;p14:07
AL13N_workhaha14:07
coderusStskeeps: and the party leader ofc.14:07
AL13N_worksounds like a typical percentage14:07
ShihuaI'm wrong in expressing.OMG.Please do not be14:07
Shihuamind14:07
coderusShihua: just enjoy14:07
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Shihuahaha14:08
Temethere are just normal users here, too (at least me)14:08
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* AL13N_work is also regular user14:08
Temenot contributing, just complaining ;)14:08
Siddei'm a normal user aswell. doing some development for myself on the phone but not much14:09
AL13N_workok, i'm also doing some sort of dev on phone14:10
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coderusi'm just regular developer then14:10
AL13N_workhahaha14:10
coderusjust contributing and complaining API14:10
AL13N_workwe're all regular14:10
AL13N_work:-)14:10
javispedrono, I've written irregular expressions.14:11
AL13N_work:-)14:11
* coderus trying ubuntu touch sdk and emulator right now14:11
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ShihuaI want do something for Jolla, but I'm just one student who is learning maijor of car.I'm just worry,but can not do anything for Jolla.14:12
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ShihuaNow learn14:15
Yaniela TOH-style car dock?14:15
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ShihuaNo14:15
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coderuswow nice phone holder TOH for cars will be PURE AWESOME!14:16
ShihuaJust,service car14:16
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coderuswith projector to windshield!14:17
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ShihuaIt's too display.14:20
* Yaniel still waiting for laser projectors14:20
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Aciidwhy does keira black sound like a trucker ripping a fart?14:22
javispedrosounds like a woman name to me.14:23
Aciidwomen dont rip farts like that14:23
javispedro(as a non-native, why it would be related to farts or truckers?)14:23
ShihuaEr,I must learn English well.too many words do ont understand. haha14:23
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ShihuaDo you think Jolla is big in poket14:30
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Shihua?14:31
Yaniela bit14:31
Temesometimes with tight jeans14:31
Yanieland not as nicely rounded as N9 etc14:32
Temewhen sitting it's hard to take out because of non-rounded edges14:32
Shihuayes,I did this like you.14:33
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Shihuaand sometimes the screen will be bright in poket itself.14:35
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gexcwet pocket?14:56
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coderuswet pockets :D14:58
coderuswhy your posket is wet? :D14:59
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gexcjust guessing14:59
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gexcfor the screen-turn-itself-on issue14:59
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gexcor maybe the material of the pocket is conducting LOL15:00
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r0kk3rzyeah but it shouldnt double tap on with the prox sensor engaged15:09
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gexctight pocket triggers the power key?15:12
gexcdoesn't seem likely lol15:12
gexcor broken prox sensor <- bad15:12
r0kk3rzyeah15:12
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r0kk3rzeasy to test though if your prox sensor is bad15:13
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gexcnot me LOL15:13
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EaxBinHi there. Just got my Jolla today! :D Is it me or does it drain battery a little fast?17:35
Stskeepsdid you make sure to upgrade all the way to update8?17:37
Stskeeps1.0.817:37
EaxBinI updated once, hang on :)17:37
EaxBinI am on 10.8.19 :)17:37
Stskeepsok17:37
Stskeepswhat apps/accounts do you have?17:37
Nicd-EaxBin: what is "fast" to you?17:38
EaxBinStskeeps: Accounts: Google & Jolla. Apps: Play store { Facebook, Facebook Messenger, Google Drive, Spotify }. Jolla Store { Calendar, Email, Calculator, Clock, Notes, Maps, Documents, Flashlight, File Browser, Terminal }17:39
EaxBinNicd-: Good question ;) I finished charging it ~5 minutes ago, have played around with it since and it's at 97%17:39
StskeepsEaxBin: well, try it for a day and see how it goe17:39
Stskeepss17:39
EaxBinWill do, thanks :)17:40
Sail0rthe first 15% always drain fast17:40
EaxBinOh, interesting!17:40
Sail0rbut it stays a long time between 70 - 50%17:40
Sail0r(only speak for mine)17:40
Sail0rI think it's a normal behaviour of lipo cells17:40
EaxBinExcellent :) Hoping mine follows the same pattern. Heh, it's like toothpaste..17:40
EaxBinAh, makes sense yeah17:41
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EaxBinSo, anything else I should do with it now that I have it? Install / change?17:41
peppelakappamaybe openrepos?17:41
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EaxBinA store?17:41
Sail0rIf you don't need things from openrepos don't install them ^^17:42
Nicd-peppelakappa: I wouldn't recommend openrepos until they have a need for it17:42
EaxBinOk :)17:42
Nicd-because openrepos is the prime way of bricking your brand new jolla :P17:42
EaxBinYeah, imma avoid it for now then thanks :b17:42
peppelakappaNicd-: if he/she needs whatsapp? ;D17:43
Nicd-the only thing I have from openrepos is mitakuuluu, the best and only whatsapp app for jolla17:43
EaxBinI'd like snapchat? XD17:43
Nicd-but I download the rpm manually17:43
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r0kk3rzNicd, you should totally try out my music player :P17:46
Sail0r?17:47
Sail0rmpris support?17:47
Nicd-r0kk3rz: why?17:47
Nicd-I have my mp3 player for music17:48
Sail0rr0kk3rz: http://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/17:48
r0kk3rzi was planning on putting in a dbus interface17:49
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r0kk3rzbut if theres a standard to work from, that makes things easier17:49
Nicd-also you should have at least given the name of your app so I can look it up :P17:49
Nicd-does it have last.fm support?17:49
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r0kk3rzits pretty basic so far17:50
Sail0rmpris would be very nice because it could be used by pebbled and other apps which use mpris to communicate with mp3 players17:50
Sail0rcurrently only quasarmx support mpris on jolla17:50
Sail0rand i don't like quasarmx ^^17:50
r0kk3rzyeah its not very sailfishy17:50
Sail0ryours looks much better17:51
r0kk3rzthanks for the link17:51
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EaxBinThe "colour" you configure when setting up the phone, where the heck do I find that in settings?17:52
Nicd-EaxBin: nowhere, you change it by changing your ambience (background pic)17:52
Nicd-it will pick up a new color from the picture17:52
EaxBinAh ok :) Thanks! Can you guess my next question? :b (Yup, I have actually looked the settings over)17:53
Nicd-how to change the ambience?17:53
r0kk3rzthrough gallery app17:54
EaxBinActually just found it! Located in Gallery (tad weird location, but fuck it)17:54
EaxBinThanks guys :)17:54
Nicd-in case you need ambience pics: https://plus.google.com/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/595160087834879868917:54
EaxBinSweet, thanks Nicd-!17:54
Nicd-from the keyboard one forward all are taken with the jolla actually17:55
EaxBinShite, that is amazing Oo17:56
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Yanielhuh19:33
Yanielwhat's thisfaint red light on the front side o the jolla19:34
Stskeepsproximity sensor?19:34
Yanielright below the headphone jack19:34
YanielI guess19:34
Yanielbut should I be seeing light from it?19:35
phlixi_if you are filming it, you can see it pretty good19:36
phlixi_i guess its not that infra infra red :-)19:37
coderusMitakuuluu v0.8.7 released with good changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.8.7 check for updates! https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu19:37
YanielI'm just casually chatting here19:37
Yanieland see it next to the screen19:38
Yanielfunky19:38
phlixi_[2014-09-05 19:53:47] <Nicd-> in case you need ambience pics: https://plus.google.com/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/5951600878348798689  <<- and of course, there is http://jollawalls.com :-)19:41
Nicd-haven't uploaded my stuff there19:42
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phlixi_i am using the same for years on all desktops and now also on jolla http://jollawalls.com/media/mandelbrot-seahorse-valley ;-) no fancy stuff in the way, a lot of space for icons etc, and still nice colors (and on jolla it makes a nice cornflowery blue for the fonts etc)19:45
phlixi_allthough i sometimes think there might be something better for more contrast in sunlight, since i can hardly read on the display (on the other side, there is not much sunlight in my life ^^)19:46
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dunptietokone.fi19:57
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Shinryuuheh, this is not a browser window!20:03
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Shinryuusauna + jolla = ????20:56
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Stskeepssaunajolla?20:56
Jettis= new battery to jolla20:57
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