#jollamobile log for Monday, 2014-09-08

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ShadowJKhm... jolla email doesn't seem to like attachments :)04:24
ShadowJKoom killed, I guess04:25
ShadowJKneed moar ram!04:25
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Nicd-there are memory leaks that make it hard to get good uptime :<05:09
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tango_how do you debug these things on the jolla?05:21
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Nicd-I don't, it's just that after around 20 days uptime, my memory and swap are full with all of my own apps closed05:23
Nicd-sometimes killing messageserver5 helps, sometimes it doesn't05:24
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tango_what's messageserver5?05:55
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coderuswhat tango_ ? are you human?06:18
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tango_coderus: yes I am, why do you ask?06:32
tango_oh I googled06:33
tango_ok06:33
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kimmoli>> http://www.jollausers.com/2014/09/jollausers-giveaway-2-toholed-and-official-toh-from-jolla/07:01
tbrmeh, requires fakebook07:03
mekluthere's an option to use your email instead07:04
tadzikwell, increses your chances with it, effectively nerfing yu if you don't07:04
tadzikcan you like them with your email?07:04
mekluhmm, really?07:05
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tadzikone of the possible entries to the contest is liking the facebook page07:05
mekluoh07:06
tadzikI don't think it's that unfair07:06
tadzik"want a giveaway? Have a taste of some of the crap we have to put up with" :P07:06
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mcfriskgot my jolla back from service with new display, but it has been reflashed or reset to factory settings. What problems is the flashing or factory reset solving, since it's done?07:14
Stskeepssure it's not a swap? ie different imei07:15
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mcfriskah, I did not write down the imei before service, got some complains about it from Optima and jolla. But the chassis looks mine with dents and a few scratches.07:17
tadzikI'm pretty sure you just got a new device to shorten the wait07:17
tadzikI mean, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case07:18
mcfriskwell I got the old broken display back too.07:19
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mcfriskIs there a manufacturing date in cover or somewhere in SW?07:19
Stskeepsunder batt07:19
mcfriskhmm, swipe to lock isn't there either, maybe was a setting I changed..07:20
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mekluthe retail box I think may have had the IMEI on it07:21
* meklu is not quite sure though07:21
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mekluit had some mfg details07:21
mcfriskI got mine in 12/2013 and mfg date in this one is the same, unless the board inside got changed07:22
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Nicd-tango_: I don't know what it does exactly, but it eats up a lot of memory07:22
Nicd-and I have had no side effects from killing it07:22
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mcfriskso backups don't contain any settings, or accounts, even jolla account. Now I'm disappointed.07:26
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mcfriskoh, so backups need to be copied from sdcard, and then applied. I'm really bad with these user interfaces. Need a bash, mutt, vi & git phone instead.07:29
Stskeepsi'm sure you can reconfigure the user session for that..07:30
mcfriskbut would need a keyboard :)07:31
Stskeepstohkbd.. ;p07:31
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kimmolii think factory reset is standard procedure. mine had broken loudspeaker and it was reflashed (or as optima says -updated to latest version)07:36
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mcfriskso, developer mode is not restored from backups07:38
mcfriskneither mobile network mode07:38
mcfrisk"Account needs to be update", err what?07:40
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mcfriskis reboot needed after restoring settings? It's failing to enable developer mode.07:42
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mcfriskI really don't like setting up all accounts to my jolla after the reflash in service. And backups seem really useless if all accounts and settings need to be restored anyway.08:33
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meklusecurity™08:34
meklubut I guess it could just save the account handles without any real auth information08:34
mcfriskwell, asking for passwords would be ok. But loosing all email settings for example.. sigh.08:34
Stskeepsbackup isn't totally perfect, no08:34
mcfriskI can deal with imperfection, I expect them. But this isn't actually a backup.08:35
mcfrisknotes, gone.08:35
Stskeepsnod08:36
mcfriskemail settings gone, pictures & videos, gone (but documented well).08:36
mcfriskI was actually doing a tar of /home/nemo to sdcard but it seemed to take too long so I gave up, and trusted that backups would actually do something. sigh^208:37
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mcfriskcalendar entries, all gone, wtf08:41
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nazaninmcfrisk: local calendar is not saved to backup unfortunately08:43
mcfriskOnly thing that was actually backed up was contacts. Not good at all. I'm not even using a ton of apps with weird settings. For me these things should just work, or not work at all in which case I rsync things to a safe place.08:45
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nazaninmcfrisk: hhm, so from all the 8 backup items, only you got your contacts back?08:48
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mcfriskyes, and as a user I expected much more, or a big fat warning to rsync/tar stuff out on my own, which I could have done.08:53
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mcfriskOk, the messages are there too from backup.08:58
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mcfriskQ: jolla flashing, is it 'secure' and overwrites all data as with maemo flasher or just fast where not all flash blocks are rewritten?09:10
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lipihow did you guys packed the phone for Optima service? You sent it in original box or in padded mailer?10:04
pp_original box + padded mailer10:06
pp_and gave it to the post office lady since it didn't fit in a finnish mailbox :P10:07
pp_(pro.tip, write priority or 1. or it takes ages to get delivered :P )10:07
lipiok, thanks :)10:08
pp_but apparently the parcel route is smarter as you get a tracking code10:08
pp_they sent it back as a home delivery parcel10:08
lipiyep10:09
ln-i used something bigger than the original box, and sent it for free and got a tracking code10:14
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lipihmm, Optima's web page says, that sender is responsible for shipping costs if shipping is bigger than letter size10:22
ln-so it says, yet they give an asiakaspalautustunnus10:24
pp_Kirjekokoa suuremmat lähetykset, lähetetään Optima Service asiakaspalautustunnuksella 60720710:25
pp_yep10:25
pp_just make sure it's larger than a letter, maybe?-)10:25
ln-the original box is larger than a letter.10:26
ln-anyway, i figured that despite the instructions given by care, i'm not sending a 400-€ device in a letter without tracking, because if it gets lost, it's unlikely anyone would take responsibility for it.10:27
lipitrue10:28
ln-also, if possible, you should take closeup photos of the phone from every direction before sending it to optima.10:31
ln-because if they scratch it, they'll deny they did it.10:31
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fennekkioptima? shit11:49
fennekkiI've dealt with Optima before11:49
fennekkiIIRC it was Optima who flashed a custom ROM onto my old GNex when I got that serviced for a hardware problem11:50
fennekkitechnically unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty but they didn't only do that but also LEFT it unlocked11:50
fennekkiand I cant really understand why11:50
mekluthey wanted to free you of google's tyranny, obv.11:51
fennekkibut I have no clue what it was11:51
fennekkiit sure as hell wasn't Cyanogen11:51
mekluthere are soo many terrible ROMs11:51
fennekkianyway, this was back when it still got OTA updates so I dumped the official rom on it11:51
fennekkiwhen I got the Jolla I flashed cyanogen and gave it to my brother11:52
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kimmolizacapa was pretty good rom ...mm rum11:52
mekluI had some Cyanogen ROM with some really weird third party launcher on my last phone...11:52
mekluit was pretty dreadful11:53
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Sail0r12:27:30 ln-: anyway, i figured that despite the instructions given by care, i'm not sending a 400-€ device in a letter without tracking, because if it gets lost, it's unlikely anyone would take responsibility for it. <=== Didn't care send you a fedex airway bill?11:53
Nicd-Sail0r: not in finland11:54
Sail0rah ok11:54
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Sail0rI am pretty happy that my jolla got back in one piece11:54
Sail0rseeing the package which optima choose I couldn't believe that11:55
fennekkioptima is the company everyone in Finland overloads this shit to and they just can't get anything done right11:55
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pp_pessima :-)11:56
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dr_gogeta86designer is in da house ?15:27
dr_gogeta86https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10629849_802996289758872_317293300738311755_n.jpg?oh=0c7ea5cca9898bacda0fdd90d067c07a&oe=549CA23D&__gda__=1419436032_e557ce31a70ea600a7de4ef534a56c7915:28
Hartziwhats that? Jolla copy?15:29
dr_gogeta86I think so15:29
dr_gogeta86toh included ? I've asked for infos15:30
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dr_gogeta86I think a stand at ifa was a clear presence but I know for sure is very expensive15:30
tbrif you look at the side of the one next to it, you'll notice it's completely rounded15:31
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dr_gogeta86http://www.archos.com/it/products/smartphones/platinum/archos_45cplatinum/specs.html?15:37
dr_gogeta86but the concept is almost the same look here15:37
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tbrheh, an archos :D15:52
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dr_gogeta86also in low specs16:03
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tadzikhmm, the new hwkbd is fun and all, but still looks like you'd need to slide it out to use the camera18:35
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attahtadzik: sure.. but why is that bad?18:36
tadzikattah: it's a dealbreaker to me18:36
attahtadzik: i got as much.. but i don't intuitively get your reasoning..18:37
tadzikI mean, it probably wouldn't be that bad in practice, but I would't like to hold my phone open to take a picture, especially in vertical mode18:37
tadzikthe tradeoff is probably worth it, but it make it seem like a half-assed solution to me18:37
attahbut you can rip it apart?18:38
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tadzikto take a picture? That's just bloody stupid imho18:38
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tadzik"here, let me pull apart my phone to take a picture"18:38
attahi dunno.. i think i could manage..18:39
tadzikI wonder what is the reasoning behind not making the keyboard a bit shorter and fitting a hole in there too18:39
attahwell.. you'll want to have about the same distance from the sides to the keys..18:40
tadzikI think I'll have different distances over a covered camera18:41
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attahi wouldn't.. but each to his own..18:41
tadzikespecially since it seems like it's now covered by a gamepad, which won't be used 90% of the time18:41
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tango_is it just me or the jolla gallery viewer rotates images by tau/4 ?18:43
tadzikfrom TMO: "Because of the location of the camera this will never happen, forget about it. Pick a piece of paper, put it on your phone and mark the edges and camera, then slide it out 40mm -> big-*** hole in the middle of your keyboard!"18:43
tango_well, actually the photos taken by the jolla itself18:44
tango_can anybod confirm?18:44
tango_take a picture with vertical phone, slide left to see it, it's rotated18:44
tadzikoh, there it is: "why couldn't you make the keyboard less than the full width (height) of the phone?" -- "because it does not comply with my design philosofy. but feel free to make an artist impression to convince me otherwise!"18:45
tadziktango_: cannot reproduce18:46
tadziknot rotated for me18:46
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tango_tadzik: for me not only it's rotated, but the details are height = 0, width = 018:49
tango_the image displays correctly though, and it's straight-up in the gallery (where you can see all the photos)18:49
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tango_looks like some exif brain damage maybe18:49
tadziktango_: ha, interesting18:50
tango_tadzik: also rather annoying18:51
tadziktango_: I assume that's all stock, no fancy patchmanager stuff?18:51
tango_tadzik: yup18:51
tango_and up to date18:51
ahjolinnaif someone is bored like me, here is a fun review about WP8.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AgcltUM9s you can get at least some good laughs from this18:52
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bennypr0fanehello, I'm trying to create a symlink to my sdcard in /home/nemo21:53
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bennypr0fanesupposedly, this should work by doing cd ~ then ln /run/user/100000/media/sdcard21:54
bennypr0fanee.g. here: http://www.sgvulcan.com/expose-the-sd-card-of-the-jolla-phone-over-usb/21:55
bennypr0fanebut that's not where my sdcard is mounted. it's under media sdcard21:56
bennypr0faneso i did ln -s /media sdcard and got a message saying that directory already exists in ~21:56
bennypr0fanesorry: /media/sdcard21:57
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bennypr0fanebut not "sdcard", but ".sdcard" . Anyhow, neither is the case21:57
bennypr0faneI'm confused. Has anyone here done this before?21:58
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M4rtinKbennypr0fane: IIRC in one of the recent updates they added support for multiple partitions22:04
M4rtinKand they show up as mountpoints named after their UUID22:04
bennypr0faneM4rtinK, partitions? I didn't partition my sdcard22:05
bennypr0fanewhat do you mean?22:05
M4rtinKit should look kinda like this: /media/sdcard/asdasdasd-adasdasd-adasdasd-asdasd22:05
bennypr0faneI just don't understand why I can't create that symlink. Supposedly it's already there, but ls is not showing it, neither are the file managers22:06
M4rtinK(not a copy paste but an approximation how it looks like)22:06
M4rtinKyou need to symlink to that UUID22:06
M4rtinKwhat does ls /media/sdcard show ?22:06
bennypr0fanethe path to my sdcard look lik this: /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F522:07
M4rtinKthen ln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 /home/nemo/whatever should work22:07
M4rtinKthat's what I have basically22:08
bennypr0faneIf I first cd into /home/nemo it's only ln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 , yes?22:08
M4rtinKno22:09
M4rtinKyou need to give it a target22:09
M4rtinKln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 sdcard22:09
bennypr0faneok22:09
M4rtinKwill create a link calle sdcard in the current folder22:09
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M4rtinKpointing to the partition on your SDcard22:10
bennypr0fanewhy doesn't it say so on the page I posted a link to?22:10
M4rtinKIMHO outdated information22:10
M4rtinKpreviously it just mounted the first partition it found as /run/user/100000/media/sdcard22:11
M4rtinKsou you didn't have to include the UUID (4FCD-53F5)22:11
M4rtinKBTW, looking at the docs: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ln22:12
M4rtinKusing just ln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F522:12
bennypr0fanethe fact that it's using the UUID now also means that that symlink will stop working if I put in a different card, yes?22:12
M4rtinKwould probably create a link called 4FCD-53F522:12
M4rtinKI'm afraid it will22:12
bennypr0faneI just created a link called sdcard in /home/nemo, and it worked!22:13
M4rtinKcongratulation! :)22:13
bennypr0fanepoints to  /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5!22:13
bennypr0fanethanks! :-)22:13
M4rtinKyay, the power of UNIX!22:13
M4rtinKno problem :)22:13
bennypr0fanedo you have any idea if there's a way to make the camera save everything driectly to the sdcard?22:14
M4rtinKnot from top of my head22:14
M4rtinKbut replacing the folder it uses currently with a symlink might work :)22:15
bennypr0fanesince it is not doing that atm, no I'm trying to figure out the correct command to copy three video files from Jolla to my Pc22:15
bennypr0faneM4rtinK, genius!22:15
bennypr0fanesomeone must have tried that already22:16
M4rtinKjust note that if you remove the card or insert a new one you will probably not be able to use it :)22:16
bennypr0fanebut my first search didn't reveal anything of the kind22:16
M4rtinKso make sure to post your findings to TMO or together :)22:16
M4rtinKanother way would be to have a script that periodically "cleans up" and moves stuff to sdcard22:17
bennypr0fanehum, hum... that UUID thingy doesn't seems like the ideal solution, does it? Is that how a normal Linux pc does it?22:17
M4rtinKmight even use inotify and move the files once they are created22:17
M4rtinKusually the partition label is used22:18
M4rtinKso it shows up as KINGSTON, etc.22:18
bennypr0fanebut that's not what my card is labelled22:18
M4rtinKI wonder if you labeled your partition then it might show the label instead22:18
bennypr0faneI gacve it a name22:18
M4rtinKthen it ignores it on the Jolla22:18
bennypr0faneso it seems22:19
bennypr0faneUUID is not the label22:19
M4rtinKyeah22:19
M4rtinKprobably due to possible collisions22:19
M4rtinKwell, the thing doing the mounting is just a shell script22:19
M4rtinKthat is run on startup22:19
bennypr0fanea bit crude , no?22:19
M4rtinKsou it might be possible to change it to a different behavior22:20
bennypr0fanehaha22:20
M4rtinK*so22:20
bennypr0fanebut then, I'm not one to talk22:20
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M4rtinKwell, until recently the whole init process in most distros wal just a bunch of shell scripts (SysV init)22:20
M4rtinK:)22:20
M4rtinKso as long as it works :)22:21
M4rtinKand unlike a binary, you can tweak it easily22:21
M4rtinKand it is more flexible than some tool you can only influence with configuration file changes22:22
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bennypr0faneconfig changes, shell scripts ... amounts to pretty much the same amount work, no? just guessing22:24
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bennypr0fanewould you say this command should work: [nemo@Jolla sdcard]$ rsync *.mp4 10.0.0.18:/home/ben/Videos22:26
bennypr0fanein the examples in rsync man page, there is no / in front of the path on the remote machine22:27
bennypr0fanelike so: rsync -t *.c foo:src/22:27
bennypr0fanebut that seems weird, no?22:27
pahartikbennypr0fane: Relative path is not unusual thing22:28
bennypr0fanepahartik, aha, so that is a relative path after all! I thought they just used a funny way of indicating the path in rsync22:29
chem|stbennypr0fane: I'd probably end up with ./src/ just in case22:29
pahartikbennypr0fane: Reference to "${HOME}" of remote user22:29
chem|stbennypr0fane: hehe no it is $login_directory/src/22:29
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bennypr0fanebut how can you use relative paths on a remote machine? login directory can only be ~/ or /root/ , right?22:32
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M4rtinKrsync does funny stuff if you have a / in the end or not22:33
M4rtinKbeware of this if running with --delete22:33
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bennypr0faneI'm totally getting this wrong: http://pastie.org/953748922:35
chem|stbennypr0fane: you need the proper user name no?22:36
bennypr0fanewhen I'm ssh'ed into the jolla, everyhting I enter there is almost as if I was doing it on the Jolla, right?22:36
chem|stbennypr0fane: no almost, you are on the jolla!22:36
bennypr0fanechem|st, like so: [nemo@Jolla sdcard]$ rsync *.mp4 ben@10.0.0.18:/home/ben/Videos22:36
bennypr0fane ?22:36
chem|styes22:36
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bennypr0fanethis is so weird, because I'm ssh'ing in from ben@10.0.0.18 now I have to log back in to my own user from the Jolla?????22:38
chem|stthe other way round is on your machine "rsync nemo@$JollaIP:$PATH-to-mp4/*mp4 $HOME/Videos"22:38
chem|stbennypr0fane: yes indeed22:38
chem|stbennypr0fane: you can setup a config file and ssh keys...22:39
bennypr0fanefantastic, it worked!22:39
chem|st:) good night!22:39
bennypr0fanechem|st, but in the other-way-round-command, there's no ssh22:40
bennypr0faneso rsync just has that built in when copying across machines...?22:40
bennypr0fanethanks anyway for the help, good night!22:41
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