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Kiranosany news on new firmware?06:33
Kiranosor "monthly" is that in the past from now on after the summer vacation?06:33
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tadzikit's not even the middle of september yet06:46
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Kiranosit was a question not that I know the answer to be no :P06:58
Kiranosmight have sounded negative though :;)06:58
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stephgmorning07:12
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tadzikhmm, I have the volume bar stuck on my screen, for the last couple of hours09:30
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stephgtadzik: on a jolla?10:08
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tadzikstephg: that's right10:11
tadzikI "fixed" it by rebooting10:11
tbrkilling lipstick should be enough10:11
tadzikyeah, that probably would've worked10:12
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stephghad it once but only on an n4, couple of other folks complained about it recently10:31
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Nicd-nnnooooooo mitakuuluu busyloop11:18
Nicd-you have arrived again11:18
tbrkill it with fire, or -911:19
Nicd-killing it is not the problem11:19
Nicd-using it is :/11:19
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r0kk3rzyeah its still lurking around11:28
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r0kk3rzi could almost make it happen on command11:28
mekluI just noticed my phone had rebooted again11:29
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nadrielWhat's new in Jolla front?11:45
nadrielI've been underground for whole summer..11:45
nadrielLiterally in a cave..11:46
Nicd-nadriel: Qt 5.2 in next update!11:46
meklu5.4 looked somewhat intriguing11:47
meklufrom the very little I've read about it11:47
nadrielAwesome!11:47
fluxhas there been any mentions when we might expect for the next update?11:47
nadrielThis month?11:48
AL13N_worksometime this month, i guess11:48
r0kk3rzshould be soon, normally they release them 10-20 of the month11:48
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fluxpast performance is not a promise of the future 8-)11:48
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Sceltupdateupdateupdate11:49
r0kk3rzthis is true, but be patient :P11:50
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nadrielWho needs patience when there's a promise for new shiny things?11:51
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r0kk3rzwell qt 5.2 should make developing apps easier11:54
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fluxeasier how?12:10
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mekluwell, there's the geolocation api, right?12:11
r0kk3rzyeah qtpositioning should be included in that12:12
stuki14:01 < nazanin> mike: tell Terhi!12:12
stuki14:04 < mike> nazanin: thanks12:12
stuki14:05 < nazanin> mike: np :)12:12
stuki14:14 < jukkajunk> mruk: for Google and FB: rbttstr@gmail.com / tester10112:12
stuki14:01 < nazanin> mike: tell Terhi!12:12
stuki14:04 < mike> nazanin: thanks12:12
stuki14:05 < nazanin> mike: np :)12:12
stuki14:14 < jukkajunk> mruk: for Google and FB: rbttstr@gmail.com / tester10112:12
stuki14:01 < nazanin> mike: tell Terhi!12:13
stuki14:04 < mike> nazanin: thanks12:13
stuki14:05 < nazanin> mike: np :)12:13
stuki14:14 < jukkajunk> mruk: for Google and FB: rbttstr@gmail.com / tester10112:13
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r0kk3rzit probably wont be allowed in harbour though12:13
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mekluwhat the...13:00
mekluit just ran out of battery13:00
mekluit was over 60% just an hour ago13:00
mekluI didn't even have any applications open13:00
mekluoh13:01
mekluand now it's saying it's 60%13:01
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mekluit had the courtesy of informing me this time though13:02
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fluxlo, the gods of sailfish have granted you an almost full battery when you had none, praise the lord?13:02
mekluI mean, it started beeping and when I looked at it it said it had 2% battery left13:03
mekluand said it was shutting down13:03
mekluprobably just a battery contact issue then?13:03
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mekluiunno13:03
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mekluI did however try and treat it with the blue end of a red/blue eraser13:04
meklua few days ago13:04
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tadzikwow, does your jolla beep when it's low on battery?13:09
Shinryuuisn't that normal until you disable the feature?13:19
ShinryuuI've also had some stuck numbers in battery level notification13:20
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Stskeepsreminder, community meeting in an hour14:02
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ahjolinnahmm: http://www.di.se/artiklar/2014/9/5/veteranen-nokia-borjar-snart-gora-telefoner-igen/14:40
ahjolinna"... jag tror att Jolla är för mycket mainstream. Jolla är ingen bra produkt." - loosely translated: "... I believe that Jolla is too mainstream. Jolla is not a good product." I've never touched a Jolla device but that article is just a bunch of vague guesses with little facts to back it up. Not even an explanation to why Jolla is a bad product.14:40
ahjolinna ...or even an explanation as to what is wrong with the similarities between iOS and Android.14:40
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Stskeepswell, uninformed articles and taken out of context things.. :P14:42
Stskeepsmy bet is that new nokia will be in lines with stuff like http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/03/baidu-eye-chopsticks/ .. and not the chopsticks14:42
cb400f"bad PR, is better than no PR" ;-)14:43
ahjolinnaI think if Jolla was a swedish company they would praise it14:43
Stskeepsthe meatballphone?14:43
Stskeeps;)14:43
cb400fbut apparently Jolla is too mainstream to be acquired by Nokia ;-) ... of course sailfishos is much more mainstream than ms windows phone >:-)14:43
RaYmAnStskeeps: and if you open it up, Surströmming comes out? ;)14:44
StskeepsRaYmAn: ah, lovely battery acid..14:44
Stskeeps:P14:44
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ahjolinnaI would like to hear this guys thoughts on Jolla/sailfishOS ...here is fun review of wp8.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AgcltUM9s14:47
ahjolinnamaybe Jolla phone 2 would be better14:48
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cb400fiirc Nokia can't use the Nokia brand for mobile phones for the next 5 years, as part of the deal with MS14:48
ahjolinnaI thought is was 10y14:49
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cb400fso, maybe they need the Jolla brand if they really want to make smartphones again14:49
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sledgesPSA: SailfishOSS community discussion @ #mer-meeting , 15 UTC (in few minutes)14:52
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Shinryuu:P15:36
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pdanekHey guys, need a technical advisory here.15:53
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pdanekEasiest way to watch Apple Live Event on Linux? :D15:53
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Stskeepspdanek: engadget live blog?15:57
pdanekI want to watch.15:57
pdanekFull video.15:57
minimecpdanek: Apple Event: --> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/1030/jblive/  # With nasty comments of the community...15:59
pdanekthx16:01
TMavicacan watch in live ?16:02
TMavicalive streaming16:02
TMavicacoderus: here?16:03
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coderusTMavica: here16:27
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TMavicahv u got the msg from ios?16:32
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coderusTMavica: if you sent it i'll receive it16:35
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coderusnot able to do it now :)16:35
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TMavicano ios device16:52
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attahplot twist: Apple switches to Sailfish17:00
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TMavicalivestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnt9_AGbR_017:02
Sail0rLive Streaming is not available in your country due to rights issues.17:03
Sail0rlol17:03
TMavicalol..17:03
attahnice.. the proper one was more than a little cpu-hungry17:03
TMavicai no ios device, need to found other channel..17:04
TMavicaany other link?17:04
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attahfwiw the proper stream hasn't started either17:09
attahor maybe it just did..17:09
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attahsheesh.. apparently it's live for some ppl, just not me.. heck i even have a mac17:17
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javispedrogive up on the apple.com stream17:18
RaYmAnLive blogs seems to cover the important bits tbh17:18
attahoh well.. until it runs sailfish i'm not going to get one anyway17:19
peppelakappa+117:19
TMavicasuper lag..17:19
kimmolibut... then apple invented sailfish...17:19
attahcurved glass.. wonder where i have seen that before...17:20
TMavicaiphone 6 plus can have a big profit17:20
TMavicabuy and sell17:20
kimmoliperformance curves , compared to _original_ ipohne17:20
Stskeepsbored so far..17:21
kimmolismells like--- sales figures17:21
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javispedrohow could they mess up the stream so good17:21
Morpog_PCI don't like the design of those devices at all17:21
Stskeepsjavispedro: well at least they don't have furry lens caps17:21
Stskeepsbut yeah, not cool17:22
javispedrolack of furry lens is debatable17:22
attahlooks like a Sony Xperia Z1 imo17:22
Morpog_PCmy twitter feed explodes17:22
attahalthough in all honesty that one scored a "red dot"17:23
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Morpog_PCi want to see their smartwatch, not boring iphones :)17:24
kimmolimakes sense to compare to a device launched 2007...17:25
javispedromeh, the only reason to view their stream is to get to know how will 2014-2015 iphone clones look17:25
javispedroie all of the smartphone market17:25
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javispedromaybe proper landscape is going to make a comeback17:26
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javispedroI miss landscape-first UIs :)17:26
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kimmolimaybe they compare that "iWatch" to Pulsar LED from 197017:27
Morpog_PCssssh ssssh, this is not #maemo :D17:27
attahjavispedro: but doesn't the new one look more like the "clones" alreday?17:28
Morpog_PC20 lte bands and voice over lte support17:28
Morpog_PC20 lte bands and voice over lte support17:28
Morpog_PCoops17:28
javispedromeh, I'm surprised he didn't use mention "HD Voice" or similar marketing words17:30
Morpog_PCiSight camera with focus pixels --- lol marleting at its best17:30
TMavicai want see iTV17:30
attahdafuq! the chinese simultaneous interpretation is in the original stream.. not just the crappy youtube stream17:30
javispedroI reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally doubt it "seamlessly handoff" from Wi-Fi to 3G.17:30
javispedroattah, told you17:30
javispedroattah, the freezes and loops also happen in their stream17:31
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attahjavispedro: being in the industry.. i wouldn't be so sure ;)17:31
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TMavicai hate to listen Putonguse17:34
attahi wonder if someone forgot to tell apple about akamai..17:35
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kimmoliheh You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server.17:39
Morpog_PC128gb17:39
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Morpog_PCfinally someone put a bit more storage in a device17:39
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javispedroMorpog_PC, but is that the $4000 edition?17:40
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Morpog_PC399$ on a two year contract :D17:40
Morpog_PChaha17:40
Morpog_PCand that was the smaller device17:41
javispedrogreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat17:41
kimmoliburst selfies...17:41
Stskeepsburst grufies.17:41
Morpog_PCships on sept 1917:41
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Morpog_PCthats how i would have loved the Jolla launch, 10 days between launch and shipping17:42
javispedroseems that apple.com stream is better now17:42
r0kk3rztim cook: "guys we're out of ideas, but need a new iphone to release this year" *throws a galaxy s5 on the table* "build me one those!"17:42
javispedrothe 2001 reference is not appreciated, thanks.17:43
Morpog_PChmm payment time, maybe they finally got NFC?17:44
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javispedroI heard "it's all about the walla"17:45
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Stskeepsnow that was just corny.17:46
javispedromaybe that's how they pay in the US17:46
Stskeepsyeah.. here i have nfc credits just fine17:46
Stskeepscards17:46
Stskeepsi know they're horridly insecure but they work for me .17:47
Morpog_PCi got a credit card but never used it :D17:47
javispedronow that is corny17:48
Morpog_PCNFC17:48
Morpog_PCcoupled with touch ID17:48
javispedrohow many hours of battery does that "credit card replacement" have again?17:49
r0kk3rzafaik they're not insecure, ive never heard of an attack against one17:49
javispedror0kk3rz, I guess it depends on what you call an attack. here every transaction <15eur can proceed without any pin or other authentication17:50
* Morpog_PC wonders if the credit card info gets stored in the iCloud :D17:50
javispedroyaddayadda paypal yaddayadda17:51
fennekkiit does, Morpog_PC17:51
fennekkiand IIRC it's the only thing that's relatively secure17:51
kimmoliit is not iPay ?17:51
Morpog_PCTheFappening must be a good advertising then :D17:51
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Morpog_PCkimmoli, no Apple Pay17:51
TMavicalol17:52
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kimmolii could imagine situation in a bar, present features of your ipohne 6.. "blaa.. iPay..."17:52
javispedroso obviously their solution will not be compatible with any standard?17:53
Morpog_PCas always17:53
r0kk3rzjavispedro: in aus its more like 100 AUD17:54
r0kk3rzbut i get your point17:54
RaYmAnjavispedro: they said something like "You can use it in 220,000 stores that already support contactless payments, "17:54
kimmoli"groundbreaking NFC antenna"  ...hope they have instructions to hold the phone correctly when making payment...17:54
RaYmAnwhich to me indicates that while their shit won't be compatible, it doesn't matter because the actual payments are just standard stuff17:54
attahpast news had them as "partnering with Visa and Mastercard"17:54
Morpog_PCand amex17:55
attahWhat about Dankort? xD17:55
Stskeepswell, dankort is 95% of time a visa too..17:56
RaYmAnattah: well, Danske Bank doesn't believe in phones as a payment option :P17:56
Morpog_PC"We have one more thing."17:56
attahStskeeps: perhaps it has gotten better.. i just remember touristing with my parents and in  most places they didn't accept anything else..17:57
r0kk3rzin aus banks give out an NFC chip which you can stick to the back of your phone17:57
r0kk3rzor anything I guess17:57
Morpog_PC"An entirely new product. We believe this product will redefine what people expect from its category."17:57
attahso bringing Visa, MC and AMex didn't help..17:57
javispedroone more thiiing17:57
RaYmAnattah: yeah, PBS fought hard to make it expensive for shops to support more than Dankort17:58
Morpog_PCsmartwatch17:58
javispedrook I guess the stream will die now17:58
Morpog_PCround17:58
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attahRaYmAn: that's retarded :)17:58
Morpog_PCsquare17:58
javispedroMoboth17:59
* Morpog_PC disappointed :D17:59
* javispedro rolling on the floor17:59
attahStskeeps: but not Visa versa, right?17:59
TMavicaiwatch!18:00
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Morpog_PCthere they use the saphire glas18:00
Morpog_PCApple Watch, NOT iWatch18:01
r0kk3rzinteresting dropping the iNoun format18:01
Morpog_PCyep, Apple Pay and Apple Watch18:01
TMavicamany style..18:02
kimmoliiPay, iWatch pron ... i think the "verb" there...18:02
r0kk3rziPhoneHome?18:03
kimmoliit was etPhoneHome18:03
javispedrooh men18:04
javispedroapple is actually promoting ACTUAL HARDWARE KNOBS18:04
javispedrovs useless capacitive screen interactions!18:04
javispedroI can't believe this is the same company that introduced the iphone and ruined smartphones18:05
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Morpog_PCwell, it's Tim Cooks show now18:05
r0kk3rzyeah but surely everything cook does comes under a "WhatWouldSteveDo" filter18:06
TMavicajust the iwatch no any leaked photo18:07
javispedro"the crown is an amazing input device"18:07
Stskeepsgood that people are (finally) using zoomable uis..18:07
javispedroI can believe I'm still in apple.com18:07
javispedro*can't18:07
javispedroso obviously the stream has become sucky for me now18:09
r0kk3rzintroducing: the iKnob18:09
javispedroman, are they telling me it's a resistive screen?18:09
TMavicai have a bit interest in the watch18:09
Morpog_PCinteresting a somehow resistive screen18:10
Stskeepsjavispedro: nono, apple tech18:10
Stskeeps:P18:10
javispedro"vibrator" is so uncool...18:10
ahjolinnaApple watch reminds me of Sony's smartwatch 2 & 3, at least a hybrid version of them18:10
javispedroif only I wasn't wearing a dual-core 1Ghz processor on my wrist right now...18:11
kimmoli"It’s driven Apple from the beginning. This compulsion to *take* incredibly powerful technology,"18:11
friesejavispedro: omate? :)18:11
javispedrofriese: no, a gear218:11
frieseah okay18:11
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javispedroc'mon, get to the battery life18:12
Stskeepsalso, i presume it's just another bluetooth watch..18:12
friesegot an omate a few weeks ago, so far it's pretty usable, but i'm still trying to get sailfish running on it ;)18:12
kimmoliwould like to see trackpad (like in SGH-i907) in a smartwatch (maybe)18:13
r0kk3rzi do find it amusing how smart watches basically killed any interest in google glass18:13
javispedror0kk3rz, yeah, glass is dead18:13
Stskeepsi liked baidu's latest thing18:13
Morpog_PCI still think smartwatcheds are a horrible idea :D18:14
javispedrogoogle dumping it on some backalley corner in their hw store is probably the nail in the coffin18:14
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javispedroMorpog_PC, apple has now officially embraced them, so I now get to call everyone who doesn't get smartwatches a "dinosaur"18:14
r0kk3rzMorpog_PC: agreed, but some people seem to like them18:14
* javispedro never got smartphones :)18:14
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attahme neither..18:14
* Morpog_PC is an old dinosaur :D18:15
r0kk3rztook me a while to get a smartphone, I valued battery life more over fart apps18:15
* javispedro yawns18:15
attah"a dinosaur at twenty-four", hey my condition rhymes!18:15
javispedroanyone who'd use a jelly fish photo as watchface has never been stinged by one18:16
javispedrothe i- prefix is as dead as steve jobs now, seemingly18:16
Morpog_PCThe iPhone is "required with Apple Watch."18:17
RaYmAnjavispedro: at least they didn't dump the numbers and do "Apple Phone" instead :P18:17
r0kk3rzim ok with that, it'sa bit old by now18:17
* javispedro is looking forward to crack the protocol on that thing18:18
r0kk3rzipod was released like 2001?18:18
kimmolihmm.. i have sapphire glass on my watch18:18
Stskeepswidgets are back!18:19
Stskeeps:P18:19
javispedroso if you forget whether you're on earth or on mars you..18:20
M4rtinKhmm, are any of those fancy "smartwatch" thingies even watertight ? :P18:20
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RaYmAnM4rtinK: the sony smartwatch 3 is18:20
javispedroM4rtinK, most of those released this summer are18:20
RaYmAnand pebble18:21
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javispedrobut I'm sure that if you get the iWatch^W AppleWatch wet it will waste its last few seconds of life trying to sue you for breaching the Apple EULA, then die18:22
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javispedrobuttons totally indistinguishable from background text18:22
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javispedroagain, I feel I'm watching a sony keynote18:24
kimmolinicew constructive dicussion here btw. no rage/hate...18:24
javispedronone at all :)18:25
attahperhaps we are not feeling threatened? ;)18:25
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javispedro"could" is the keyword here, so far nothing shown has been actually interesting, except for the rotary encoder18:27
javispedrosorry, the iKnob18:28
javispedroerr, the AppleKnob.18:28
kimmoliDigitalCrown...18:28
javispedrothat's one interesting software innovation18:28
javispedrosomeone should do that for normal phones18:29
Morpog_PCi like that forcetough thingy18:29
javispedroyep18:29
Morpog_PCforcetouch18:29
Morpog_PCstskeeps, emulate it on sailfishos :D18:29
javispedroit's technically possible to do even with the cheapest of smartwatches, they all have vibrator+accelerometer..18:30
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RaYmAnpebble actually made a game that you controlled by tapping on the sides of the watch18:30
RaYmAn(pebble doesn't have touchscreen)18:31
javispedrothe interesting part is to have real-timeish forwarding of accelerometer "taps" to vibrator feedback on another person's watch18:31
RaYmAnI think someone already made that. Except the feedback wasn't one a watch.18:32
attah^yep18:32
javispedrothey're now throwing the "we have bazillion of apps" story now18:32
kimmoliand then, news, you password was revealed by sensing it with smartwatch accelerometer18:32
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javispedropasswords are totally dead eitherway18:33
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javispedroauthentication via the watch is the new cool18:33
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ahjolinnabtw. its fun when Apple said that they have new tech...NFC....here in finland we have had it from 2004->18:34
ahjolinnawell thats apple18:35
javispedrosomeone said above most of the shops they mentioned as "applepie" compatible mysteriously resembled the list of NFC-capable stores18:35
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javispedrowell, the video just revealed the battery life18:36
javispedro"day-long"18:36
r0kk3rzyeah their brand requires everything they do to be 'revolutionary'18:36
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kimmoliah, i have "smartwatch" afterall, TI chronos18:37
kimmoliwhich reminds me this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMbdQptdfw18:38
kimmoliabout watch and security access18:38
javispedrokimmoli, did the chronos use ANT+ iirc?18:38
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kimmolijust ANT ?18:39
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kimmoliit was actually a buy which i never had time to use18:39
javispedro3 editions18:40
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javispedroiphone4s has ble... hm..18:40
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javispedro$350!!18:41
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Stskeepsso, who's up for starting a revolution in smartwatch OS on those 3g android smartwatches?18:42
Stskeeps:P18:42
RaYmAnthe ones with a few hours of battery life? ;)18:42
frieseStskeeps: gestures on my omate would be truly awesome, but so far im still trying to get cyanogenmod running properly18:42
javispedroapple pie watch!18:43
Stskeepsfriese: which omate did you get?18:43
friesethe 1gb/8gb model18:43
ahjolinnaof all the current smart watches I like the Sony's latest one the best (smartwatch v3)18:43
RaYmAnarne't the omate hugely GPL violating?18:43
Stskeepsgot a kernel source for it?18:43
Stskeeps:P18:43
javispedroahjolinna, why?18:43
frieseuhm, not yet :(18:44
frieseRaYmAn: probably ;)18:44
javispedroone more thing!18:44
RaYmAnI mean, it's MediaTek iirc?18:44
friesedesign-wise, the asus zenwatch looks really interesting18:44
frieseyup18:44
RaYmAnthey excell at being GPL violators.18:44
ahjolinnajavispedro: do u want the short or the long answer?18:44
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javispedroahjolinna, short please :)18:44
ahjolinna:D18:45
javispedroI mean, I find them virtually the same18:45
Shinryuuahjo reminds me a little bit about some chili sauces18:45
javispedrothough iirc sony one had GPS which I find interesting18:45
attahStskeeps: sounds fun.. if we can mess with the modem.. :)18:45
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ahjolinnajavispedro: waterproof, ok design (nothing extra), good battery life..and Sony quality...and its sony 3rd gen.... etc18:46
javispedrowell, it's over18:49
RaYmAnStskeeps: tbh, a lot of the android wear devices are pretty powerful and seems like good targets (iirc, they are generally unlockable as well)18:49
ahjolinnajavispedro: oh and gps is also really nice18:49
RaYmAniirc the sony sw3 is quad core a7 :P18:49
r0kk3rzwouldnt gps be a massive battery drain though?18:49
StskeepsRaYmAn: i'm mostly interested in anything that has a modem, for obscure reasons..18:50
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javispedror0kk3rz, those watches die if you use them 5h straight so won't be noticeable =)18:50
RaYmAnStskeeps: like what? =P I've never quite gotten the point of a modem in a watch18:50
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r0kk3rzi guess...18:50
StskeepsRaYmAn: just some crazy ideas, can't really say :P18:50
ahjolinnaI hope there will be some android wear device support on SailfishOS....18:50
M4rtinKStskeeps: Dick Tracy watch ? :)18:51
ahjolinnaI like to use sony smartwatch3 with my jolla18:51
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r0kk3rzahjolinna: if you build it, they will come18:51
nad6234how does the pebble stack up in all of this?18:52
peppelakappanad6234: still the best smartwatch out there IMHO18:52
RaYmAnit's a different target really18:52
RaYmAnbattery life, visible in sunlight and such18:52
r0kk3rzthey've probably got something good brewing for once the dust settles from the major smartphone players18:53
javispedroahjolinna, only notifications can work, most of the android wear features are either very google-service depending (everything related to google now) or 3rd party android apps18:53
nad6234yeah, but how much of that works with jolla?18:53
peppelakappanad6234: notifications are working with skipping stones18:54
RaYmAnnad6234: the protocol is reverse engineered since forever, so it's just a matter fo someone implementing it18:54
peppelakappadon't know about rejecting calls18:54
ahjolinnajavispedro: didn't sony said that you can answer phone calls with it...it had a mic and speaker18:54
RaYmAnyeah18:54
RaYmAnthey did18:54
javispedroahjolinna, that part probably already works18:55
javispedroahjolinna, so far most watches I've seen doing that use standard HFP / hands free bluetooth profile18:55
javispedrodid not had the chance to test android wear, though.18:55
nad6234with all this apple watch stuff, i wonder if pepple will drop their price18:55
ahjolinnajavispedro: well I have to buy one and try18:56
RaYmAnwhy would they? Apple watch is rather expensive18:56
nad6234market share18:56
ahjolinnahow much was the apple watch?18:56
RaYmAnstarting at 35018:56
ahjolinna!!!18:56
Merbotahjolinna: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.18:56
nad6234i guess though it's a bit of an unknown18:56
javispedroError: "$350" is not a valid smartwatch price.18:57
peppelakappajavispedro: +118:57
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nad6234it's not out till nezt yeat18:57
nad6234next year18:57
r0kk3rzjavispedro: that may be so, but people will still be lining up around the block to get one18:57
peppelakappamaybe wear and this iwatch *can* do too much? i mean, who'll use all these functions?18:58
nad6234350 + the cost of thr iphone that it requires18:58
RaYmAnit kind of sounded like it wasn't an always-on screen on the Apple Watch either?18:59
RaYmAnwhich to me seems like a horrible idea for a watch.18:59
javispedrohe did mention it was not always-on19:00
r0kk3rzi'll keep my 10 year old dumb watch any day, 8 year battery life, and always on display19:00
StskeepsRaYmAn: well, usually you gesture your wrist when you want to see something19:01
javispedror0kk3rz, where's your dumbphone?19:01
nad6234i'll keep my 20yr old Seiko that is an automatic mechanical watch19:01
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r0kk3rzjavispedro: in a drawer somewhere19:02
nad6234no batteries. and it gives me an approximate time ;-)19:02
pdanek1So Apple event is done and BlackBerry Passport will be still better. :D19:02
pdanek1Nothing special, all rumored before.19:02
RaYmAnStskeeps: not convinced - the pebble has that for backlight and it's kind of annoying19:02
Stskeepsit's definately annoying when eating with fork and knife.19:03
javispedrothat's why I classify smartwatches into useful ones (alwayson screen, metawatch, pebble) and for-the-fun ones (gear, etc.)19:03
javispedroit's terribly distracting when typing to have the gear randomly light up19:04
javispedroso where I can download this watchkit to figure out if it's bluetooth or what19:07
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RaYmAnit's probably bluetooth, but they probably also have their MFi chip to prevent other people talking to it.19:08
javispedroApple's bluetooth protocols have been quite open as of lately19:08
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Morpog_PCNext stop - SailfishOS Update 919:09
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dr_When? Where?19:09
Morpog_PC:D19:09
javispedrodelayed!19:11
Stskeepskimmoli: ooi how many mA does toholed take?19:11
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ahjolinnawhen will the update 9 arrive? :D  any idea? plz dont say when its ready19:13
Stskeepswhen it's ready.19:13
javispedrodelayed again19:13
ahjolinna:D19:13
ahjolinnasigh19:13
Morpog_PCit will come in september19:13
kimmoliStskeeps: i have neber had time to make measurements, but on 24h averate, about same as jolla on flightmode19:14
ahjolinna-_-19:14
javispedroseptember 8,349 A.D.19:14
Stskeepskimmoli: hmm not bad19:14
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kimmoliStskeeps: http://kimmoli.tumblr.com/post/93509391153/toholed-battery-consumption19:15
Stskeepsso acceptable19:15
kimmoliincludes wakeup every 30sec,19:16
kimmoliand display update every minute19:16
r0kk3rzthats pretty good, can improve by making it not always on19:16
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kimmoliit has proximity sensor, so it is not on when covered. then PD is negilible19:17
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dr_Stskeeps today you talk about rodeo with connmann19:18
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dr_From 1.8.19 no problem at all also in public wifis19:18
ahjolinnahas anyone tried zramcfg in warehouse/openrepos?19:19
Morpog_PCdoesn't the jolla already use some ram compressing already by default?19:20
Stskeepsno19:21
Stskeepsi'm happy for people to test it out in real situations19:21
Morpog_PCwhy don't we have all ram available then?19:21
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Stskeepsmodem19:21
Stskeeps(yes, really.)19:21
Morpog_PC830728 kB19:22
Morpog_PComg19:22
Stskeepsplus something else i forgot19:22
Stskeepsit's usual on qcom configurations19:22
Morpog_PClol19:22
Stskeepsprobably something dsp-y19:22
Morpog_PChmpgf19:22
Morpog_PCwe need more ram in next jolla :D19:22
Stskeepstell me about it.19:22
Stskeepsi'm working on alternative OOM strategies at the moment19:23
Morpog_PCsounds good, but I won't get that till update 20 or so :)19:23
Stskeepsnah, hopefully not -that- far..19:23
Stskeeps:P19:23
Stskeepsthe principle is memory thresholds, so far we have two (you can see it in mce), warning and critical, so at warning it'd kill all 'empty' android apps (already shut down, just around for easy startup - can be up to 84mb at times).. and then find the biggest sinner/least recently used and signal homescreen that it should ask that app to shut down/persist.. and then when critical hits the daleks move in19:24
Stskeepsbut the question is how to do it well and in a nice ui fashion19:25
ahjolinnawhy doesn't jolla have somekind ram compression thing by default?19:25
Stskeepsahjolinna: it was considered unstable at the time we were putting it in19:25
Stskeepsnot even android used it in 4.1.19:25
Stskeepsx19:25
ahjolinnawhen will it be "stable"?19:25
Morpog_PCthat tresholds seem to kick in too late most of the times though19:26
StskeepsMorpog_PC: well, there's no thresholds atm19:26
Stskeepsit's the OOM killer or nothing19:26
javispedrojust add more swap19:26
Stskeepsi'm working on the thresholds atm19:26
Morpog_PCah thats why it's getting sluggish19:26
Stskeepsjavispedro: i wish that was it19:26
Stskeepsbut yes, it takes longer for it to start trashing when there's sufficient swap19:27
javispedroI always felt that all this talk about app-level persistence comes because Linux swapping sucks19:27
Morpog_PCswapping sucks always, especially with slow IO19:28
javispedroit's 2014 and is the only operating system I have where I may need to reboot the machine because of "unrecoverable" thrasing19:28
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javispedroand don't blame X11 or Unix because I've tried Solaris.19:29
Stskeepsyeah..19:29
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Stskeepswell, how would you like it to look on sailfish?19:30
Stskeeps:P19:30
javispedroI am a theoretical guy19:30
javispedroso in theory you'd just let the normal scheduler swapout least-recently-used processes normally19:30
javispedroand in theory they would be swapped in in seconds because their non-shared working set is of a few MiBs19:30
javispedroand I know in practice it takes minutes19:31
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javispedrowhich is why every on-top-of-Linux operating system vendor has come with their own "Persistence" stuff that reinvents the Linux one19:31
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javispedroincluding Hildon. That brings memories =)19:32
javispedroand in theory some company with unlimited resources could put some men-hours to figure out what's wrong with the normal linux swapper19:33
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javispedroso in practice I will just bend over and take it up to the tailpipe19:33
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javispedrowell, it's starting to rain, should go now19:38
javispedrocya and good luck!19:38
r0kk3rztheres plenty of literature out there about page swapping strategies19:38
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Morpog_PChttp://static5.businessinsider.com/image/540f50716da8116708973c25-803-319/aapl%209:6.png19:49
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ahjolinnawtf19:50
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r0kk3rzhaha19:54
r0kk3rzthe stock market is funny sometimes19:54
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ryukafalzSo is the only way to get Tahkalampi on a N4 currently to build it yourself with HADK?23:58
ryukafalzOTA upgrade doesn't seem to show any new version available23:58

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