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coderus | no idea about N4 specials, but ssu re 1.0.8.19 && version --dup should work if not break :) | 00:32 |
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ryukafalz | coderus: oh, interesting | 00:38 |
ryukafalz | I feel like I might run into problems with lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 (I think that's the package name) | 00:39 |
ryukafalz | I did last time I was messing with upgrading Jolla packages | 00:39 |
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ryukafalz | welp, here goes nothing | 00:45 |
ryukafalz | actually no, backups first :> | 00:46 |
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ryukafalz | aaand rebooting | 01:07 |
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ryukafalz | coderus: Thank you! It worked! :D | 01:09 |
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coderus | good :) | 01:27 |
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ryukafalz | I didn't know it was as simple as changing the version with ssu like that | 01:35 |
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Kiranos | lol cer *.openddesktop.org is not valid .. | 05:51 |
Kiranos | cert | 05:51 |
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Bysmyyr_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/55713/allow-to-choose-building-number-after-predictive-street-name/ | 07:45 |
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Scelt | is mr. basil in the irc? | 10:30 |
Scelt | system monitor is awesome but I'd like to have the memory usage too | 10:30 |
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r0kk3rz | i swear it has memory usage | 11:29 |
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ggabriel | hi | 11:35 |
ggabriel | long time :) | 11:35 |
stephg | o/ | 11:36 |
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tbr | gah, I had totally forgotten how much the original metawatch android app sucks | 11:40 |
inte | tbr: you have a metawatch? | 11:41 |
inte | I like that thing but it seems there is no app for Jolla at present... | 11:41 |
inte | and afaik bluetooth does still not work with android apps | 11:41 |
tbr | inte: upcoming, I have it paired already | 11:42 |
tbr | javispedro started working on it recently | 11:42 |
inte | upcoming bluetooth-support for android or upcomming Metawatch-App for SailfishOS? | 11:43 |
inte | :) | 11:43 |
tbr | the metawatch app is working already | 11:43 |
inte | I had a look at some attemptet porting efforts for this MeeGo-Metawatch App but development seemed ceased | 11:44 |
inte | but that sounds cool | 11:44 |
tbr | well, I did some work on porting it, but got stalled in, I think, the bluetooth code | 11:44 |
* inte will check ebay for a metawatch as soon as it is supported on SailfishOS | 11:45 | |
tbr | inte: whereabouts? | 11:45 |
inte | so javispedro took over? | 11:45 |
inte | whereabouts? what do you mean? | 11:45 |
tbr | the meego app was also his, so he basically resumed work. I think he's largely rewriting it though | 11:45 |
tbr | inte: where are you based? | 11:45 |
inte | Germany | 11:46 |
inte | sounds cool | 11:46 |
tbr | inte: look at Reichelt. Friend mentioned that they are selling the FRAME model for 90€ at the moment | 11:46 |
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tbr | "btw, Reichelt verkloppt die Frame momentan für 90EUR! (*snyff*)" | 11:47 |
Nicd- | wow the Metawatch display looks terrible | 11:48 |
Nicd- | but at least it gets a decent battery life | 11:48 |
tbr | Nicd-: you get used to it real quick. at first it was a bit weird, but after an hour you "hold it right" without noticing | 11:48 |
tbr | daylight readability is very good | 11:49 |
Nicd- | yeah, but compare it to other "smart" watches with retina displays... | 11:49 |
tbr | and 3h battery life | 11:49 |
Nicd- | problem with those seems to be you can just about make it one day before recharging | 11:49 |
tadzik | speaking of these smart watches, any pebble users around? | 11:49 |
tbr | tadzik: yeah, smoku w tym grzebie | 11:50 |
tadzik | heh | 11:50 |
tadzik | I was wondering about he jolla experience, I saw at least two things being developed on openrepos | 11:51 |
inte | tbr: thanks for the hint | 11:52 |
inte | however, the price is not 90€ | 11:53 |
tbr | inte: maybe sale ended then | 11:53 |
inte | its 79€ for the Frame and 49€ for the Strata | 11:53 |
tbr | LOL | 11:53 |
inte | cool | 11:53 |
inte | i guess ill get the frame | 11:54 |
tbr | better not tell my friend, he'd start crying | 11:54 |
inte | the stata is somewhat ugly | 11:54 |
inte | :) | 11:54 |
tbr | yes, I waited 3 months and paid more just to get a FRAME instead of that rubber duck | 11:54 |
tbr | it looks like a decent watch and feels very good, like a regular watch | 11:55 |
* tbr should tell the sailfish-berlin people to get in on the deal too | 11:55 | |
tbr | inte: have an url at hand? | 11:55 |
inte | http://www.reichelt.de/METAWATCH-FRAME/3/index.html?&ACTION=3&LA=446&ARTICLE=142413&artnr=METAWATCH+FRAME&SEARCH=metawatch | 11:55 |
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tbr | tnx | 11:56 |
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inte | tbr: https://www.google.de/search?q=metawatch+frame&client=firefox-a&hs=dZN&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.74649129%2Cd.bGQ%2Cpv.xjs.s.de.Jz_Qn50LY3c.O&biw=1366&bih=591&ech=1&psi=LjsQVL76G-HmyQPXsIHYBg.1410349892022.3&ei=LjsQVL76G-HmyQPXsIHYBg&emsg=NCSR&noj=1 | 12:02 |
inte | 90euro bei conrad | 12:02 |
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inte | tbr: check at http://www.guenstiger.de/Produkt/Texas_Instruments/Metawatch.html you can even get it for 69.90 | 12:04 |
tbr | 2late, schon verzwitschert | 12:04 |
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tbr | inte: 70 fuer ne strata? meh, reichelt hat die fuer 50 | 12:05 |
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inte | yeah sorry just saw it too | 12:05 |
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tbr | https://twitter.com/tbr23/status/509673652485255168 if anyone was wondering | 12:08 |
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inte | tbr: official price is 79 now | 12:09 |
inte | http://www.metawatch.eu/de/collection | 12:09 |
Teme | why is all of this in german ._. | 12:09 |
inte | there is a new metawatch (m1) in the works | 12:09 |
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tbr | yeah, was guessing, that the M1 launch would push the price down | 12:10 |
inte | ...which is somewhat ugly as well | 12:10 |
tbr | but TBH I don't like its looks | 12:10 |
tbr | hehe | 12:10 |
inte | its even cheaper than reichelt at the official site because they dont charge for shipping | 12:11 |
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tbr | inte: mh, some adento company behind that eu domain, weird | 12:18 |
inte | what is adento? | 12:19 |
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tbr | inte: http://www.metawatch.eu/en/imprint | 12:21 |
tbr | I suspect it's an outsourced distribution provider | 12:22 |
r0kk3rz | i rather like the cook of the moto 360, except the current implementation is poor | 12:23 |
r0kk3rz | maybe the next release might not be so compromised | 12:23 |
r0kk3rz | *look | 12:23 |
tbr | it's a wrist mounted TI silicon museum though | 12:23 |
tadzik | where do you see that €79 for frame? | 12:25 |
tbr | tadzik: both the metawatch.eu and the reichelt shops | 12:27 |
tbr | reichelt also has the rubber version (strata) for 50 | 12:28 |
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inte | the new samsung watch seems also interesting since it runs tizen | 12:29 |
inte | and its not soo ugly | 12:29 |
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tbr | it didn't appeal much to me | 12:30 |
tbr | also I'm kinda weary of watches that have 1d battery life | 12:31 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: thats the point, the design is great, the implementation can be better | 12:32 |
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* tbr patpats his metawatch | 12:33 | |
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inte | how long does the battery last? | 12:34 |
r0kk3rz | i also like how the facebook 'trending topic' called the "Apple Watch" the "iWatch" | 12:34 |
inte | of the metabox? | 12:34 |
inte | r0kk3rz: if really dislike the apple watch | 12:34 |
inte | its ugly | 12:35 |
inte | the only smartwatch that looks somewhat like a watch is the new LG watch | 12:35 |
r0kk3rz | yeah, its not a great device by the looks of it | 12:35 |
r0kk3rz | especially the iKnob | 12:35 |
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tbr | I get almost a week out of the metawatch with no bluetooth, less with stuff going on. vibra, etc cuts into your battery life | 12:36 |
inte | however, it runs android wear which is closed source and therefore cant be connected to the jolla | 12:36 |
r0kk3rz | a week, thats pretty good | 12:36 |
inte | tbr: well id think bluetooth is mandatory | 12:36 |
inte | at least if you want it too be smart :) | 12:36 |
tadzik | tbr: which one do you have; would you buy it again? | 12:36 |
tbr | tadzik: FRAME, black. paid probably close to 200€ for it | 12:37 |
inte | sed s/too/to/g | 12:37 |
tadzik | wow | 12:37 |
tbr | tadzik: I'd buy it immediately | 12:37 |
tadzik | tbr: any existing way to make it speak to sailfish?> | 12:37 |
inte | tbr: how long does it last with bluetooth switched on? | 12:37 |
tbr | inte: hard to say, that's what I was trying to convey. I haven't had it properly connected for longer periods of time since I retiered my N950 | 12:38 |
tbr | tadzik: yes, javispedro is working on that. Time sync already works, more to come soon | 12:38 |
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r0kk3rz | make an xbee toh and roll your own microcontroller watch, that could be a fun project | 12:40 |
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inte | btw, regarding tohs, is there a usb-host toh available now from anyone? | 12:41 |
inte | i once heard it was in the works | 12:42 |
r0kk3rz | not that ive seen | 12:42 |
r0kk3rz | it'd be slow though | 12:42 |
tbr | inte: first you'd need working usb host | 12:42 |
r0kk3rz | i2c isnt known for massive throughput | 12:42 |
inte | yeah thats why they wanted to implenent it through i2c | 12:43 |
tbr | ERMAGHED, NOPE! | 12:43 |
inte | well the inbuild usb is not usbhost-capable afail | 12:43 |
tbr | inte: it is | 12:43 |
inte | well the inbuild usb is not usbhost-capable afail | 12:43 |
inte | well the inbuild usb is not usbhost-capable afaik | 12:43 |
inte | oh | 12:43 |
tbr | people spread crap, film at 11 | 12:43 |
inte | so why is no one releasing a patch now? I thought it was the same problem as it was with the N9 | 12:44 |
tbr | similar | 12:44 |
inte | spead is not to much an issue if you only use it for reading pgp-keys | 12:44 |
inte | or smartcards | 12:44 |
inte | tbr: cant follow | 12:45 |
inte | if its not a hardware issue it could be solved by software but it isnt because of... no one working on it? | 12:45 |
tbr | on the N9 it was also just not enabled, but there was also a second charging chip that would have needed to be disabled and DSME neutered | 12:45 |
inte | there were patches for the n900 a few month after it was released | 12:45 |
tbr | inte: on the jolla there is no such problem, all it needs is someone who knows how to whip a kernel into submission | 12:46 |
r0kk3rz | can the JPhone supply power out the usb connection? | 12:46 |
tbr | inte: the N900 was a completely different fuckup on hardware level necessitating a hyper ugly workaround | 12:46 |
r0kk3rz | without that usbhost will be pretty limited | 12:46 |
inte | tbr whatever that means:) | 12:46 |
tbr | inte: they bitbanged USB host by putting the PHY in test mode on the N900 | 12:46 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: no, the port can not supply power. you will need to inject that yourself | 12:47 |
inte | tbr will the power last du read out usb-massstorage e.g. sticks | 12:47 |
tbr | anyone is free to make USB host mode work on the jolla. the sources are there | 12:47 |
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inte | sed s/du/to/g | 12:48 |
tbr | inte: there is NO power, you need to "bring your own" | 12:48 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah thats a big ugly, but doable. toh with plug to power pins, y join cable | 12:48 |
tbr | e.g. by a Y-cable or by plugging a hub in | 12:48 |
r0kk3rz | maaaaaybe | 12:48 |
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inte | tbr: I dont even know if there is power necessary to read out a usbstick at all | 12:48 |
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tbr | inte: yes it is | 12:48 |
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inte | its not a harddrive after all | 12:48 |
tbr | still it needs power to work | 12:49 |
tbr | it doesn't work on warm feelings | 12:49 |
inte | well than it IS a hardware limitation | 12:49 |
r0kk3rz | magical NAND pixies | 12:49 |
inte | how did they get that work on the N900 ? | 12:49 |
inte | that hardware was capable of bringing power to usb? | 12:49 |
tbr | I don't remember if they were lucky and could get the charge pump working | 12:49 |
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tbr | still, injecting 5V is no rocket-surgery and can be made quite small | 12:50 |
inte | hey, couldnt that work on the jolla as well? | 12:50 |
tbr | 'no' | 12:50 |
inte | well if your on the go | 12:50 |
tbr | (someone apparently checked the schematic) | 12:50 |
tbr | inte: peruse the searchengine of your least distrust "lipstick usb power bank" | 12:51 |
tbr | Nokia even made one that would probably work as an injector out of the box | 12:51 |
inte | so apart from the software it would also be needed to grep the 3,3v from the toh connector and connect it between usbport and -stick | 12:52 |
inte | i have a power bank as well | 12:52 |
inte | supplies 2.2a and 1a | 12:52 |
tbr | well use that then to provide 5V | 12:52 |
inte | i never dare to charge my jolla with 2.2a as the specs say it would only accept 1a | 12:52 |
tbr | that's bullshit | 12:53 |
inte | did anyone ever try that? | 12:53 |
r0kk3rz | the vout for the toh is 3.3v | 12:53 |
tbr | the phone will take whatever it needs | 12:53 |
r0kk3rz | and fused to 300ma | 12:53 |
tbr | and the 3.3V is far from ideal. it's not good for load and you need to step up to 5V | 12:53 |
r0kk3rz | and recommended to not continually exceed 150ma | 12:53 |
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tbr | I _highly_ recommend to go the "power bank" route | 12:53 |
inte | mh the 300ma could be limiting then | 12:53 |
r0kk3rz | otherwise things get warm | 12:53 |
r0kk3rz | so yeah, might need an aux battery | 12:54 |
inte | well shouldnt jolla be able to provide a usb-host driver since they know all the specs? | 12:54 |
tbr | http://www.nokia.com/global/products/accessory/dc-16/ | 12:55 |
tbr | that would probably "just work" as an injector and is very pocketable | 12:55 |
r0kk3rz | well at least a "is this even possible" answer, even if they dont put in the work | 12:55 |
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tbr | at this point I'm going to point to TJC as this was discussed there | 12:57 |
inte | tbr: I guess, in brief, Jolla is just not into it | 12:57 |
tbr | also disclosure: I've spent an evening with phdeswer (a sailor) hacking on the kernel and trying to understand the driver. | 12:57 |
inte | right? | 12:57 |
phdeswer | yep we did | 12:58 |
tbr | inte: nope, jolla a) tried to get host mode, but there was no way to fit it into the device b) researched and checked the possibilities c) willing to help out the community | 12:58 |
* inte has a powerbank from pearl.de which is working as well | 12:59 | |
phdeswer | inte: to be honest we don't have the specs. | 12:59 |
inte | ah cool | 12:59 |
inte | thanks for the background info | 12:59 |
tbr | Qualcomm is very closed with their specs | 12:59 |
inte | then i will just wait and see what will happen | 12:59 |
r0kk3rz | thats a shame | 12:59 |
tbr | so kicking the driver into submission is a lengthy process | 13:00 |
phdeswer | inte: tbr and I tried to get the device to switch but we only got to the bus going dead. | 13:00 |
tbr | as you'd need to rip out the OTG state machine and make the hardware go into the right state | 13:00 |
tbr | with trial and error | 13:00 |
tbr | as there might be some things that the hardware does by itself | 13:01 |
r0kk3rz | sounds like a lot of hitting against brick walls | 13:01 |
tbr | so, yes, it's possible, but sadly it's not trivial | 13:01 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: it just needs someone with lots of spare time on their hands | 13:01 |
r0kk3rz | keep running into the wall until you find the door | 13:01 |
tbr | as you need to build the kernel, boot the device, try it, rinse, repeat | 13:01 |
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r0kk3rz | ive got lots of spare time, not a huge amount of experience with the linux kernel though | 13:02 |
r0kk3rz | ie. none | 13:02 |
inte | im not feeling so well copying my keys to .gnupg | 13:02 |
tbr | inte: i²c connected card reader might work better there | 13:02 |
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inte | i couldn find any i2c connected card reader that is supported by gnupg | 13:03 |
r0kk3rz | you can have a EEPROM chip toh to store the keys on | 13:03 |
tbr | heh, yeah, obviously you'd need to write your own driver | 13:03 |
inte | hehe | 13:03 |
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inte | funny enough there are always certain chipsets needed to read out pgp-cards and neither of them seems to have a build-in i2c bus | 13:04 |
r0kk3rz | you'd need a microcontroller in the toh to do the smartcarding | 13:05 |
inte | there are i2c readers available which connect directly to i2c but cant read any cards except for i2c storage cards | 13:05 |
r0kk3rz | then relay over i2c | 13:05 |
inte | r0kk3rz: jep but that is *slightly* above my limits | 13:06 |
inte | therefore, usb-host and usb-gpgkey | 13:06 |
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r0kk3rz | there are tutorials around for using smart card readers with arduino | 13:07 |
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r0kk3rz | havent looked into using arduinos with the Jolla, as i think they can only be i2c master | 13:08 |
inte | saw some of them, but they where mostly for reading simple i2c cards | 13:08 |
r0kk3rz | oh ok | 13:09 |
inte | my idea was to simply order one of these internal smartcard reader modules like this one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Towitoko-SCM-Smart-Card-Reader-intern-seriell-/151382946957?pt=DE_Computer_Sonstige&hash=item233f20748d | 13:10 |
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inte | they seem to have uart | 13:10 |
inte | then convert uart to i2c and plug it to the jolla | 13:10 |
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inte | dont know if it is feasible though | 13:11 |
r0kk3rz | yeah i've been meaning to experiment with a UART bridge | 13:11 |
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r0kk3rz | i want to connect a 10hz gps module to i2c | 13:11 |
inte | well maybe youre more lucky with that | 13:12 |
tbr | there are I²C UART expanders IIRC | 13:12 |
inte | tbr: yes | 13:12 |
tbr | I still have some devaamo myTOHs if someone needs / is interested. Will part against 2€ and p&p | 13:13 |
kimmoli | i have all the parts for tohuart in a box... | 13:13 |
kimmoli | pcb layout unfinished | 13:13 |
r0kk3rz | i need to finish mine off | 13:13 |
r0kk3rz | just needs a plug putting on the wires | 13:13 |
r0kk3rz | and then to buy the chip breakouts | 13:14 |
kimmoli | sounds like more "start" than "finish" :) | 13:14 |
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r0kk3rz | well, yeah | 13:15 |
r0kk3rz | my hacked version of a 'mytoh' finished | 13:15 |
kimmoli | when you are finalizing it for mass-production, ping me to get eeprom VID/PID ... | 13:15 |
inte | tbr: can you please msg me in German what exactly you have for sale? | 13:15 |
r0kk3rz | then the real fun begins | 13:15 |
r0kk3rz | have you looked into getting injection molded toh's for production kimmoli? | 13:16 |
kimmoli | i did have a peek for some chinese mfg, but makes no sense for 50-100 pcs yet | 13:16 |
kimmoli | unit price is really low, mold/tooling costs few k€ typically, depends how many parts it needs to survive | 13:17 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah, thats why you'd try and finalize the plastic design | 13:18 |
r0kk3rz | even if the software/electronics werent completely sorted | 13:19 |
r0kk3rz | i thought about selling PC coloured dumbcovers to get started | 13:19 |
r0kk3rz | since aside from the ones jolla is selling, nobody is making cheap cases to hack | 13:20 |
r0kk3rz | the shapeways one is 'ok' but not that cheap, and I havent had any luck 3d printing my own yet | 13:22 |
r0kk3rz | but havent spent too long trying | 13:22 |
r0kk3rz | my first attempt came out a couple of mm short | 13:22 |
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kimmoli | ok | 13:28 |
kimmoli | my generics for printing tohs at shapewasy are now kinda ok | 13:28 |
kimmoli | i was asked for genenric-hack-toh which allows hiding own breadboardstuff few days ago | 13:29 |
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coderus | kimmoli: transparent hacking toh please :F | 13:32 |
tbr | kimmoli: time to open a shapeways "shop" me thinks :) | 13:33 |
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r0kk3rz | shapeways takes weeks though | 13:39 |
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meklu | woah, they have metal prints | 13:40 |
meklu | not of tohs, but still | 13:40 |
r0kk3rz | ive got designs for a generic hack toh | 13:40 |
r0kk3rz | just a basic circuit board pinout, then stick a small breadboard on the back | 13:41 |
r0kk3rz | basic, but functional | 13:41 |
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kimmoli | r0kk3rz: like this https://github.com/kimmoli/devaamoMyhalf | 13:56 |
r0kk3rz | yeah | 13:57 |
r0kk3rz | but a lot simpler | 13:57 |
tbr | how much simpler can it get? | 13:58 |
r0kk3rz | suitable for etching yourself | 13:58 |
kimmoli | included basic stuff there, levelconverter 1,8v regulator, eeprom | 13:58 |
r0kk3rz | yeah mine is literally just a pinout | 13:58 |
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r0kk3rz | etch yourself, stick it to a standard TOH, solder on a header connector | 14:00 |
r0kk3rz | which is about as simple as it can get, to answer your question tbr | 14:01 |
tbr | one sided layout? | 14:03 |
r0kk3rz | yep | 14:03 |
tbr | *nod* | 14:03 |
r0kk3rz | care taken to not short out on anything, but it can be painted i guess | 14:04 |
r0kk3rz | so long as you mask the pogopin pads | 14:04 |
r0kk3rz | or re-etch using a laser cutter | 14:04 |
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r0kk3rz | that said, if you want to post me one of kimmoli's ones, 2E is more than a fair price | 14:11 |
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kimmoli | i could amke 3d model for myHalf with cavity for own elec. | 14:14 |
kimmoli | s/typos/correct/ | 14:15 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah i'm sure there would be demand for some kind of starters kit | 14:18 |
r0kk3rz | for those without 3d printers, etc | 14:18 |
Shihua | I'm not a developer.But I know this from some developers. they said that the messages phone and | 14:20 |
Shihua | not open source | 14:21 |
tadzik | I have no idea what you just said | 14:22 |
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Shihua | you can understand my meaning?sorry.my English like shit. | 14:24 |
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Shihua | for example.,the native message app doesn't support api in sdk. | 14:28 |
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Shihua | why this? | 14:28 |
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r0kk3rz | this was talked about in the meeting yesterday | 14:28 |
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r0kk3rz | theres minutes around somewhere | 14:29 |
r0kk3rz | but not that much was said | 14:29 |
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Shihua | you talk about yesterday .but why? | 14:32 |
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r0kk3rz | http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-09-09-15.00.html | 14:33 |
r0kk3rz | because someone raised this exact question in the meeting yesterday | 14:34 |
r0kk3rz | so i figured that was relevant | 14:34 |
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Shihua | some functions in my country is not good for local. | 14:34 |
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Shihua | offical not give a result about this? | 14:35 |
r0kk3rz | they said they would look into openning it up | 14:36 |
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Shihua | some developers there want to do some simple apps for local people to used to Jolla. the api stop them. | 14:38 |
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r0kk3rz | submit your ideas as feature requests on TJC | 14:41 |
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r0kk3rz | if they're core things needed for language support, then they belong in the core os | 14:41 |
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Shihua | just some api .why will be about core ?sailfiah os open source.they said. | 14:46 |
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SK_work | Shihua: the problem of opening full core for harbour is that it can binary break | 14:48 |
SK_work | you are not forbidded to dynamically / statically link the core libs :) | 14:48 |
Shihua | Your meaning is if support that.it is possible to make Jolla not safe ? | 14:52 |
SK_work | Shihua: no | 14:55 |
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SK_work | please read about binary compatibility | 14:55 |
Shihua | simple. thanks. | 14:55 |
SK_work | because the mw is likely to be changed, they cannot allow all libs | 14:55 |
SK_work | you can still embed your libs (so it is your responsibility to make everything work) | 14:56 |
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Shihua | o.o | 15:00 |
SK_work | Shihua: what's the issue ? | 15:01 |
Shihua | sorry I translate your words.but on understanding | 15:01 |
SK_work | a lot of people embed nemo middleware in their apps for harbour | 15:01 |
SK_work | ah | 15:01 |
SK_work | know how dynamically linked libs works ? | 15:01 |
Shihua | no. | 15:01 |
SK_work | basically, your program search for the symbols in the libs in a certain place and call them. Even if the symbol moved, the program will call the address, leading to crash usually | 15:02 |
SK_work | binary compatibility = the symbols don't move even if symbols are added / removed / changed in the dynamically linked lib | 15:02 |
SK_work | eg Qt have ascending binary compatibility inside major version | 15:02 |
SK_work | you build + link with Qt 5.1, you got your app working with 5.2 without recompiling | 15:03 |
SK_work | problem, Jolla engineers need to have flexibility to change middleware as they enhance SFOS or fix bugs | 15:03 |
SK_work | so they don't guarantee binary compatibility on any middleware lib | 15:03 |
SK_work | so they are forbidden in Harbour, as if someone link on the MW, for the next version of SFOS it can break | 15:04 |
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SK_work | but if you embed your own version of these libs, it is your responsibility to recompile if the lib changes etc, so it is your duty to guarantee the compatibility issues | 15:04 |
SK_work | so you are allowed to ship your libs with a harbour app | 15:05 |
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Shihua | Thanks for your answered. | 15:07 |
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SK_work | my pleasure :) | 15:09 |
Shihua | thank to the language .I do not understand all your words .sorry very much. | 15:11 |
SK_work | Shihua: don't worry | 15:11 |
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SK_work | actually if someone don't understand, the best is to ask as I (and some others ?) tend to have tech language to answer tech questions | 15:12 |
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Shihua | Yeah. | 15:13 |
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Shihua | Iwant do something for Jolla just. but the input method is not usefulness. | 15:15 |
SK_work | ha | 15:18 |
SK_work | input methods | 15:18 |
SK_work | indeed, that's a problem | 15:18 |
SK_work | something not distributable from store at all :( | 15:18 |
SK_work | Shihua: are you available for sailifhs community meeting | 15:18 |
SK_work | discussing this with iekku or other store people could be nice | 15:19 |
Shihua | I no chance | 15:19 |
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Shihua | In China. the input method is terrible. | 15:20 |
Shihua | many words can not spell . | 15:21 |
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Shihua | Lexicon is not complete. | 15:23 |
Shihua | ususl is too busy. | 15:26 |
SK_work | cybette: ^^ | 15:27 |
SK_work | we have people complaining about getting a meeting in WE + people from CHN | 15:27 |
SK_work | we need to not discriminate meetings | 15:27 |
r0kk3rz | next meeting is in UTC+10 timezone slot | 15:29 |
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r0kk3rz | should be better for HK folk | 15:29 |
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SK_work | Shihua: ^? | 15:31 |
SK_work | what do you think ? | 15:31 |
Shihua | I think | 15:32 |
Shihua | this | 15:32 |
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r0kk3rz | anyway, Jolla chose to release the phone in Hong Kong with poor language support. so IMO its Jollas job to fix that, not the communities | 15:32 |
SK_work | r0kk3rz: not exactly | 15:33 |
SK_work | with community translation system in place, and maybe custom kbd, the community can help | 15:33 |
SK_work | android's custom keyboard helped a lot | 15:33 |
r0kk3rz | third-party input methods could be on their roadmap | 15:34 |
r0kk3rz | its certainly becoming a common mobile os feature | 15:34 |
r0kk3rz | even aapl are doing it | 15:35 |
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Shihua | I do not know how to answer you. | 15:36 |
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SK_work | r0kk3rz: discussing about how they plan to do it could be nice | 15:37 |
r0kk3rz | might be a topic for the next meeting, if it hasnt already been discussed somewhere else | 15:38 |
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Shihua | The meeting of HK ,I did not go there. | 15:41 |
Shihua | but I got T-shirt. | 15:42 |
Shihua | hh | 15:42 |
r0kk3rz | Shihua: its an IRC meeting | 15:43 |
r0kk3rz | next one is two weeks away in UTC+10 Time Zone | 15:43 |
dunp | http://www.dailydot.com/crime/google-gmail-5-million-passwords-leaked/ | 15:43 |
Shihua | wow,you gone there? | 15:43 |
r0kk3rz | is in #mer-meeting here on freenode | 15:44 |
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Shihua | I am too busy .so do not join them. | 15:46 |
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Shihua | tonight is rare for chat with you. haha | 15:49 |
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Shihua | here is dark .I must sleep .goodnight e | 15:51 |
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attah | chem|st: ping | 16:54 |
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iekku | damn, i missed good conversation :( | 17:43 |
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Shinryuu | :( | 18:32 |
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tadzik | It puzzles me how people find it totally fine to either unslide your keyboard or detach TOH to take a fucking picture with your phone | 18:59 |
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r0kk3rz | how do you propose to get around that issue? | 19:02 |
tadzik | I would have a slide-out keyboard where the slidey part is shorter than the phone itself, thus not overlapping the camera | 19:03 |
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r0kk3rz | kinda like the G1, yeah that would work | 19:05 |
r0kk3rz | less room for the keyboard though | 19:05 |
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kimmoli | ...but yuo can consider it as lens-protector (like in N900) | 19:07 |
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tadzik | another thing I came up with is sliding it both ways, then you'd slide it "sideways" to uncover the camera | 19:10 |
tadzik | and thus make it only a bit bigger, not almost twice as wide | 19:10 |
tadzik | then again, I don't mean to agree with one's design philosophy, I'm just genuinely surprised how it only seems to bother me in the whole world | 19:11 |
kimmoli | :) | 19:11 |
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attah | tadzik: that lengthways slide sounds like a cool idea! (and plausible i assume) | 19:12 |
r0kk3rz | would have to be one funky mechanism to allow that | 19:13 |
tadzik | it's already magnet-based | 19:13 |
kimmoli | there is just small issues with that in the current design.. | 19:13 |
tadzik | I guess it's too late to bring it up in the current stage of construction | 19:13 |
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kimmoli | need some extra magnets to align to this fourth position | 19:13 |
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tadzik | I also don't remember my tmo password :P | 19:14 |
r0kk3rz | moar magnets | 19:14 |
r0kk3rz | MOAR | 19:14 |
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tadzik | every problem can be solved with another layer of magnets | 19:14 |
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kimmoli | and then you wonder why your jolla gets stuck in escalator | 19:14 |
tadzik | heheh | 19:14 |
attah | ...and you along with it | 19:15 |
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kimmoli | those magnets are evil, if you allow them to go together freely, they'll "explode" into pieces. | 19:16 |
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tadzik | heheh | 19:16 |
tadzik | it is a clever hack though, my uttermost respect | 19:16 |
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r0kk3rz | so does it not have a 'hinge' as such? | 19:25 |
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r0kk3rz | just a floating backplate? | 19:25 |
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kimmoli | hmmm https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/myqblinks/iscent-smell-your-ringtone | 21:19 |
raa700 | i love the smell of napalm whenever my phone rings | 21:22 |
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lpotter | I want my phone to smoke when it rings | 22:20 |
dr_ | Twitter seam a battle field abou jolla doesn't it? | 22:20 |
dr_ | Hi lpotter | 22:20 |
dr_ | 9 o'clock there? | 22:21 |
dr_ | Lpotter some ecig burner is faseable | 22:22 |
dr_ | But is a bit unpractial | 22:22 |
lpotter | I was thining more like stage fog | 22:22 |
lpotter | thinking | 22:22 |
dr_ | Hahhaa | 22:23 |
dr_ | And some horror ringtones | 22:23 |
lpotter | the more you shake it, the more it smokes :) | 22:23 |
dr_ | Connman give you nightmares | 22:23 |
dr_ | ? | 22:23 |
lpotter | :) | 22:23 |
lpotter | yes for nightmares | 22:24 |
dr_ | Here also burners are high taxed | 22:25 |
dr_ | But if I found some one used and kimmoli help me | 22:25 |
dr_ | Let it smoke too | 22:25 |
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dr_ | U know why sometimes phone not ring but produce connection error spund while | 22:30 |
dr_ | * sound when remote call is done? | 22:30 |
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