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h4PPYC4Trecommendations are appreciated ;)00:00
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h4PPYC4Tis it possible to give android applicatios access beyond /home/nemo/android_storage? i tried to create a symbolic link in that directory with ln which links to a directory under /home/nemo but it doesn't work (err-msg -> not implemented)04:24
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h4PPYC4Tah, okay... /home/nemo/android_store is a "fuse-mount"04:58
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coderush4PPYC4T: there are nice irc sailfish application btw :)06:54
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coderus_btrfs recovery expert needed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8333525/10:21
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tbrcoderus_: looks bad. if it can be mounted copy off whatever you don't have a backup and try to revert to factory default?10:30
coderus_it can't be mounted :(10:30
coderus_factory default not working because can't mount too10:31
tbrdid you by chance make a backup copy of the raw btrfs at some point?10:31
coderus_no manual backups10:32
tbrI guess you will need to ask around for a copy and then dd it to the device10:32
coderus_just p28?10:33
tbrI think someone described how they did that on either TJC or the mailing list10:33
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coderus_ok, its not my device, i'll try to dd from my device and send (13GB!?) to my friend...10:42
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tbrcoderus_: I'm not sure, there might be a way to just extract the snapshot of factory state10:56
tbrcoderus_: have you checked for that description by the guy who already did this? I think also nieldk knows something about that10:57
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coderus_Can anyone make dd /dev/mmcblk0p28  > archive and share? My friend need help to recover partition, but my DSL upload speed is slow..12:08
coderus_tbr: yeah, its just 4GB, but my connection is slow anyway. i need 10 hours to upload that 1.5GB rar archive...12:08
Sail0rit's home oO12:09
Sail0rso will contain user settings too?12:09
Sail0rand passwords and so on12:10
Stskeepsyes12:10
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Sail0rso it's not a good idea to share that with someone12:11
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Sail0rexcept you did a factory reset ^^12:11
Sail0rand everything is plain12:11
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coderus_if you can make factory dd i'll be happy :)12:14
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Sail0rjolla should be able to provide such an image shouldn't they?12:15
coderusits weekend :)12:16
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louisdkI have a few apks on my Jolla which will not install. When trying to install trough the GUI nothings happens. If I try to install over SSH I get this output and nothing installed: http://pastebin.com/EKJ1t168 - How can I debug this?12:42
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faenillouisdk: try asking thp when he's around12:50
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faenilcoderus: didn't you have a fast connection? :D12:51
JoonaaI mounted my sdcard at /home/nemo/sdcard, how do i give myself permissions so i can write on it from windows?12:51
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Joonaaoh, nevermind12:59
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coderusfaenil: not now, i'm min mother's house right now13:01
coderuss/min/in13:01
faenilcoderus: aw :)13:01
coderusin house district there are no fiber/cable13:02
coderusonly dsl :(13:02
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chem|stJoonaa: the native mountpoint gets exported to MTP, no need to mount in circles13:05
louisdkOne thing that bugs me a bit is that I have to start sshd.socket manually (or reboot) to get ssh access after enabling dev mode. The required packages have been installed along time ago.13:05
Joonaachem|st not sure what you mean by that? (i dont use linux)13:06
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chem|stJoonaa: MTP is a Windows thing13:07
Joonaahmm, i mean, i didnt see the memory card in windows before (formatted btrfs)13:08
Joonaaand even now i cant copy large files to it via explorer13:08
chem|stJoonaa: you do not need to mount the sdcard anywhere if it is mounted in /media/sdcard/$UUID then it will get exported to MTP13:08
chem|stJoonaa: and that is strange13:08
Joonaayou mean /run/user/100000/media?13:09
chem|stJoonaa: you are running an old sailfish version if you still have this mountpoint13:09
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Joonaaah was wondering why i couldnt see it there :)13:09
chem|stif it is not showing on your windows, a simple symlink should do iirc13:10
Joonaawell, it is showing after mounting it at /home/nemo/sdcard13:12
chem|stbut on windows the sdcard should show up13:12
chem|stthat MTP stuff is buggy13:12
Joonaawhatever13:12
Joonaacan my android apps access the sdcard somehow?13:12
Joonaathats what i REALLY need13:13
chem|styou can add a btrfs subvolume to your sdcard and mount it to /data/media/13:14
chem|stthat is then fused to $HOME/android_storage and also accessible from your PC13:14
Joonaacant just mount the sdcard itself there?13:15
Joonaaits btrfs13:15
chem|stdon't know if that is a good idea13:15
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Joonaaalright, ill see if i can manage to create a subvolume13:17
Joonaaor well, any reason why its no good?13:18
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CvP_coderus: how are you? ... the sync plugin is now open source, do you have a new project? :)13:23
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chem|stJoonaa: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/13:33
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Joonaathanks! i didnt even think about searching for that :)13:33
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pdanekI called some local number.13:34
pdanekThen I called same number, but international one, so it's actually different number, with different international prefix.13:34
pdanekBut Sailfish grouped them together, why? :(13:34
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Joonaachem|st: is mmcblk1p1 a partition instead of the whole card?13:36
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phako_Joonaa: that's the usual naming convention (p1)13:38
chem|stJoonaa: yes13:40
Joonaaalright thanks13:40
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chem|stJoonaa: the way it is described there with the .service (or .mount) systemd is how you make sure that aliendalvik.service is not mounting the fuse to $HOME/android_storage before the sdcard is mounted13:41
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Joonaayeah ill follow that, hopefully without any problems13:42
chem|stJoonaa: it is pretty straight fwd13:43
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chem|stthe subvolume setup lets both /media/sdcard/$UUID and /data/media use the whole sdcard without the need of partitions - but be aware that btrfs balancing is buggy (but that also applies to the on-device btrfs partitions)13:45
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Joonaaalright13:46
chem|stjust ping me if you have any questions13:46
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chem|stpdanek: is it contacts or numbers-by-hand?13:48
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pdaneknumbers by hand13:48
chem|stso not known contacts13:48
pdanekyes13:48
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Joonaaoh fun times, copying 12gb of spotify..13:49
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chem|stand they now show both under one unkown contact page?13:49
chem|stJoonaa: from internal to sdcard?13:49
Joonaayeah13:49
chem|st:)13:50
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pdanek1) I sent SMS to some local number (Polish number), without international prefix13:50
pdanek2) I sent 2nd SMS to same number, but with international prefix (so it's different number, Czech number)13:50
pdanek3) In chats, it grouped those chats together.13:50
chem|stah it recognizes that the extensions are the same13:50
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chem|stthat is probably worth a bugreport even if it is unlikely that you have two numbers in different countries being the same13:51
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chem|stotoh if you receive sms they are always with international prefix13:52
chem|sthmm, well no bug though13:52
chem|stit is desired behaviour13:53
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coderusCvP_: what sync plugin and how its related to me?13:54
chem|stis sms 1 and sms 2 the same person or really two different numbers (e13:54
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pdanekchem|st: to different numbers grouped together13:54
pdanekmaybe it's desired, but wrongly designed13:55
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chem|stpdanek: +31123456789 and 0123456789 are the same number and grouped!13:55
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tbrchem|st: consider: 00358-40-123456 and +35840123456 - group or not?14:00
pdanektbr: group. because 00 and + are same14:01
tbrchem|st: also consider signalling differences for country prefixes while travelling14:01
faeniltbr: isn't that actually the same number?14:01
Joonaadidnt pdanek say the country code is different14:01
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pdanekcountry code was different14:01
pdanekand it groups14:01
chem|stgroup... + and 00 are basically the same14:01
tbrJoonaa: I'm making a general point here14:01
tbrchem|st: will you also group 135840123456?14:01
chem|st+ gets replaced by operator as it might be something else than 0014:01
tbrchem|st: how about 99035840123456?14:02
Jarethere are clear rules how telephone numbers are formed, there should be no issues grouping internal telephone numbers...14:02
tbrI have enough telephone numbering oddities up my sleeve to continue for half an hour14:02
tbrJare: how quaint14:02
chem|sttbr:  we are talking about grouping of different country prefixes14:02
tbrJare: you don't travel much internationally, do you?14:02
Jareat least the basic cases like this one14:03
chem|stin the unlikely event of cabine pressure loss...14:03
tbrchem|st: how do you identify where the country prefix starts?14:03
pdanekIs anyone able to test on Android? Out of curiosity.14:04
tbrmy point is: phone number signalling across operators and countries is so wildly different and inconsistent, that you simply can not try to evaluate the whole number.14:04
tbrNokia e.g. made a conscious and DOCUMENTED decision to only compare the first n characters of a phone number for phone book matching14:05
chem|sttbr: 0033#, +32# and +31# should not be grouped, should they14:05
tbrchem|st: they very well might and in case of a Nokia phone most certainly will14:06
chem|stand that is a bug14:06
tbrno, it's a documented feature (in case of Nokia)14:06
tbrand in my personal opinion a completely sensible one in face of the problem14:06
chem|stso just because a company claims it is a feature it makes it one?14:07
pdanekI understand it is a feature to overcome something hard to implement.14:07
tbryes, it makes it a documented restriction of behaviour. You are of course entitled to personally think it's a bug or the end of humanity14:07
pdanekBut everyone has to agree, that it is not ideal solution and only accepted because it is rare to find 2 same extensions for 2 different prefixes.14:08
chem|stso the rare case that two unrelated people have the same number but in different countries will merge on all phones...14:08
tbrpdanek: opinions may differ, but I'd say it's not just hard, it's impossible14:08
Joonaachem|st: umount /dev/mmcblk1 "target is busy"14:08
chem|stJoonaa: then don't14:09
tbrchem|st: it's actually not that rare to run into it. It has happened to me during the late nineties for the first time (on a nokia phone)14:09
tbrand JFTR: you're all free to go to TJC and put a question up14:09
chem|stcountry codes need to be taken into account14:09
tbrI'm just telling you what you're most likely going to get as the answer, as I actually know the problem.14:10
tbrchem|st: I then challenge you to implement a matching algorithm that then does NOT fail to match all possible corner cases14:10
pdanekActually, I understand perfect grouping is nearly impossible like tbr says, but at least including database of all country codes and considering it with grouping may be doable14:11
tbras said before, how do you identify an country prefix?14:11
tbrhint: you can't, its just numbers, you can never be 100% sure14:12
chem|sttbr: country prefixes are not random14:12
tbrchem|st: my challenge stands, deliver the algorithm, I'm going to break it, probably within minutes14:13
chem|st:)14:13
chem|stit is doing it backwards atm right?14:14
tbrI can only guess, but it is probably matching against n-digits counted from the end, where N is probably 6-914:15
chem|stso at some point if numbers are getting longer and longer it will break the current one anyways14:15
chem|stI know people with 5 digit phone numbers (yes they kept them from the '80s)14:16
chem|stI even know people with 9 digits with country prefix...14:17
Jarei wonder how significant number or local numbers are using some of the itu country code prefixes14:17
Jareie. what would be the error rate compared to the current one14:17
Jareor/of14:17
tbrbtw: http://www.nokia.com/in-en/support/faq/?action=singleTopic&topic=FA13900214:18
chem|stI am glad they use 6, I'd be screwed with less...14:20
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tbrpossible ways out of this dilemma include such technologies like E.164 and ENUM. This stuff goes at glacial speeds though. IIRC E.164 is from the 90s14:24
chem|sttbr: our matching problem does only exist for numbers without country prefix... so how about taking that into account14:24
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chem|stmatch numbers with single leading 0 backwards the others fwd14:26
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chem|stthat way you only match numbers without country code accidentially to a presumed same number with countrycode but never two numbers with countrycode to another with countrycode14:27
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chem|stbreaks only if numbers in +XYZ use extensions the same as in +X or +XY14:28
chem|stbut I think that would break on a higher level anyways14:29
chem|stas call routing would break for those numbers globally14:29
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chem|stthere is your challenge14:30
tbrthere are btw very nice examples of numbers that start with what looks like an international prefix but are local numbers, either with or without prefix14:30
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chem|stleading double ZERO?14:31
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tbrI could probably find that too, yes14:32
tbron the other side I know several phone networks that will report an incoming call with the international prefix (sometimes) but no indication like 00 or +14:32
chem|styou need to take into account exit, trunk and country codes14:33
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tbrTBH I find it moot to dwell further on this topic.14:33
chem|sttbr: ok the system is broken on a higher level... we can agree on that14:34
tbrI'm not going to say you can't come up with a better matching, but I'm for sure saying it will break in more interesting ways14:35
chem|stfor sure14:35
tbrand yes, there is no discussion about number signalling being a horrible mess14:35
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tbrbtw: what should not happen is: if both numbers in the initial problem are in the phone book, that it will identify the contact, at all14:37
tbrif you have conflicting local identifiers you resolve that by NOT looking up the number14:37
tbrs/looking/resolving/14:37
kimmolishould change phonenumbers to hex, something like ipv6 address, get rid of countrycodes etc.14:41
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tbrkimmoli: look at ENUM and E.164 :)14:42
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chem|stkimmoli: make it URLs not numbers... telephone numbers should be like domains and domain hosting, noone is interested in probably changing phonenumbers14:59
phlixiisnt tel://+49123456789 an URL?15:00
phlixior tel:+49123456789 ...not sure15:00
kimmolii would prefer email-address style15:01
phlixiof course :-)15:01
phlixithen 49123456789@t-mobile15:01
phlixi:-P15:01
phlixi(i know you meant something different^^)15:02
kimmolior register whatever free...15:02
chem|stkimmoli: that is again bound to something but yeah15:02
JoonaaI'm using my Android tablet as a hotspot, and if I move away from it or reboot my phone, I'm unable to connect to the hotspot again without restarting it on Android side15:03
Joonaaandroid or jolla issue?15:03
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chem|stsounds like the hotspot crashes, do you have another device to test it?15:04
chem|stJoonaa: and wfm on a tab2 7" 4.2.2 with two jolla's (last time I checked)15:05
phlixino idea if this is related, but when i use my n7 as hotspot, i cant even connect, neither with n9 nor jolla (not tested other devices to connect... i know use the jolla hotspot, which works well for me all the time)15:05
Joonaai sadly dont have other devices15:06
chem|stJoonaa: laptop?15:06
Joonaanope15:06
chem|stwhat android is it?15:06
Joonaa4.2.115:06
chem|stJoonaa: just so you know 4.x android wlan stack is broken/buggy/known_bs15:07
Joonaadamn it15:07
chem|stwhat device?15:07
Joonaaasus transformer tf300tl15:07
chem|stdoes it happen when you turn of wlan on jolla instead of rebooting it?15:08
phlixi...or flightmode / no wlan for example15:08
chem|stphlixi: you are overdoing it15:09
Joonaai have to restart the hotspot for it to work. if i turn off wlan on jolla it wont work15:09
chem|stso if you turn off wlan and turn it on again the android hotspot does not work again15:09
Joonaayes15:10
chem|stthat sounds like broken on android side15:10
Joonaashame15:10
Joonaai guess i should root it some time15:10
chem|stit might be caused by the jolla, check with a laptop to verify15:11
Jarekimmoli: sip addresses already are in the "email style"... with voice over lte we could probably move towards using them ;)15:11
chem|stbut I had similar issues, disconnecting a device and it crashed15:11
chem|stJare: my sip-provider blocks calls on #@provid.er15:14
chem|stJare: for known reasons15:15
Jareand some sip providers have their own whitelisted buddies etc15:17
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coderusSearching for whatsapp qt library contributors: https://github.com/CODeRUS/libqtwa15:39
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louisdkthp, somebody mentioned earlier that I should ask you about this. I have a few apks on my Jolla which will not install. When trying to install trough the GUI nothings happens. If I try to install over SSH I get this output and nothing installed: http://pastebin.com/EKJ1t168 - How can I debug this?19:27
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Sail0rhm freenode was hacked19:47
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frieseit was?19:48
Sail0rhttps://blog.freenode.net/2014/09/server-issues-2/19:48
Sail0rthey recommend changing passwords asap19:48
stephgyeah there was a global notice this morning19:48
stephgthis afternoon sorry19:49
Sail0rdidn't get one19:49
Sail0ronly saw it on golem.de ^^19:49
friesehumm19:49
friesei've got an global notice regarding how to change your password, but not the actual announcement19:50
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stephg15:33 -tomaw(tom@freenode/staff/tomaw)- [Global Notice] Earlier today the freenode infra team noticed an anomaly on a single IRC  server. We have identified that this was indicative of the server being compromised by an unknown third party. We  immediately started an investigation to map the extent of the problem and located similar issues with several other19:51
Sail0rI wonder what happend19:52
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r0kk3rzeveryones getting hacked, news at 1119:57
tbrwill be interesting to see what they find19:57
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r0kk3rzi wouldnt have thought you hack an irc server for information19:59
r0kk3rzyou'd hack it to be a CNC server for a botnet20:00
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dr_gogeta86hi guys20:08
stephghey20:10
dr_gogeta86hi stephg20:10
dr_gogeta86call me jolla bitch20:11
dr_gogeta86but more time i use more i love the phone20:11
dr_gogeta86i hope in december firmware update20:11
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stephgwell you're in the right place :)20:14
stephgbut december, I want to have 3 updates by then ;)20:14
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dr_gogeta86if i'm not wrong20:20
dr_gogeta86in april stezz said a big update in fall20:20
dr_gogeta86after 5.2 migration20:20
stephgoh, really? (can't remember that far back)20:22
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louisdkIf I backup my Jolla using the build-in backup tool save the backup, reset my device what will I then have missed? I guess installed apps, ambiences. What more?  I guess that documents and files saved in eg $HOME will be lost too.20:46
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dr_gogeta86luisdk use tar to sd card20:50
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