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topi`what kind of experiences do you have of Jolla care? I clicked thru the web form yesterday, describing my problem, I wonder how many days until they respond?06:40
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mcfrisktopi`: they respond pretty fast, my experiences are good06:53
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coderusMitakuuluu updated to v0.8.8. Please test it as soon as possible. Settings migrated to dconf, may contain any random bugs.09:19
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entilcoderus: weird thing, it wanted to send me a new activation code but still everything worked as usual09:31
entilcoderus: scared me for a while there09:31
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iamtewoh, I just updated mine to 0.8.7 because I had a badly outdated version..09:32
iamtewlike 30 minutes ago..09:32
entilyeah, looked scary, cuz I think the last time I had to reactivate meant I had to add contacts again and lost all discussions etc, but this might also have been maybe half a year ago09:34
iamtewweird, my contacts has always stayed, even the chat history09:35
entilI might be thinking of the transition to mitakuuluu2, who cares, it's still scary to see an activation code09:36
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TMavicacoderus: cant mute group, it keep rings10:13
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TMavicacoderus: cover page action in setting not same as in cover page10:16
TMavicaand the action wont work10:17
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coderusentil: affirmative11:12
coderusentil: remember your salt password for future11:12
coderusit will register you without activation code next time11:12
AL13N_workhmm, i hear tomorrow is ITLAP day11:14
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AL13N_workarr11:14
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.8.8-2 with some hotfixies added. Please check and report bugs.11:34
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intehello11:37
okuThanks for the ui improvements! I really like the ability to lock UI directions.11:37
inteall ny calendars are gone11:37
intei cant even select the default calendar...11:38
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intehow can i fix that11:38
okudo you have a backup?11:39
intewell yes11:39
intemaybe11:39
okudoes replacing it help any?11:39
intebut i dont know since when its broken11:39
intedidnt check that11:39
inteabd its old11:39
inteisnt there a possibilty to purge calendar settings11:40
inteand set it up again?11:40
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okui've got now idea, but i would guess there is some way of manually accessing the calendar database11:41
intemh11:41
intei will ssh into the device11:41
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intetonight11:42
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intebut if anybody has a hint id be happy to know11:42
intejust msg me11:42
stephgwell launch the calendar, lsof -p the process and see which files it has open11:43
stephg^^ inte11:43
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inteok thx11:47
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okudoes anyone know a fix for cursor misalignment in fingerterm11:54
okuin jollatogether someone suggested that changing LANG variable would help, but it didn't help11:55
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okuthe cursor mark is far ahead the end of text11:56
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coderusoku: increate font size12:25
coderusno other solution12:26
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okudidn't help :(12:27
okuis that a known bug already? because it makes the terminal practically unusable12:28
Nicd-oku: does it always happen for you?12:28
okuyes12:29
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okustraight out of the box it's always been like that12:29
okui just tried to remove ~/.config/FingerTerm/ but that didn't help either12:29
Nicd-it instantly happens when you start it?12:30
okualso text editing with nano is a pain12:30
okuNicd-: yes12:30
Nicd-ok, that's odd then. what's your locale?12:30
okufi_FI.utf812:30
Nicd-all of them are fi_FI.utf8?12:30
okutried changing it to en_US.utf8 and en_GB.utf812:30
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tbroku: also noticed the bug, it depends a bit on the font size12:34
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okutbr: changing font size bigger seems to make it closer for a bit, but not nearly enough12:34
tbr*nod*12:34
okuit's _really_ annoying as i'd like to have terminal a lot12:35
tbrupstream nowadays is jolla, hosted probably either on nemo or on a jolla internal git repository12:35
tbrtry contacting thp, he might know more12:35
okui'll msg him if he would know12:36
okuand i'll report here if i get it working :)12:36
tbryou could try the silica version, maybe that has it fixed12:37
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Nicd-where is the silica version?12:38
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okuyeah, that would be worth testing, where can i find it12:41
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trigpointhow do i export my contacts?12:46
DrainBamagedPut them on a ship? :P jk12:46
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SK_worktrigpoint: what do you want to do ?12:49
SK_workyou can bluetooth or use command line12:49
Anz_when typing  ifconfig or ip addr , it says command not found. something wrong? :/12:50
AL13N_workdevel-su ?12:52
SK_worktrigpoint: vcardconverted --export <filename>12:52
SK_workthis exports contacts as vcard format (but not those from webservices)12:52
SK_workvcardconverted12:52
SK_workvcardconverter12:52
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Teguthe settings has some backup section but I have no idea where it saves them to12:53
Anz_no. just nemo12:54
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tbrNicd-: an old build was in chum12:59
tbrNicd-: sources are on github nemo iirc12:59
trigpointthat comes up with a load of binary followed by the new ones, it is missing the ones from my n913:02
trigpointphone is playing up but need to save them before i can do a reset13:03
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SK_worktrigpoint: the best would be to use backup13:07
SK_workclone backup to your computer13:07
SK_workand restore backup as git13:07
SK_workor use vcardconverter13:07
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trigpointthanks will try backup13:11
SK_workclone is git clone ssh://nemo@192.168.2.15:/home/nemo/.vault13:11
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trigpointis there a reason my old contacts don't get exported, i.e. the ones from my N9 that I transfered with bluetooth new phone wizard thing?13:28
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topi`I was in the middle of doing an upgrade (the device goes to the Sailfish logo with a simple progress indicator) ... and then the screen went black and the LED is blinking white every 5 seconds or so13:47
topi`does anyone know what this means?13:47
topi`I'm afraid my device is fried...again...13:48
Nicd-jolla guys would know13:48
Nicd-is it connected to charger?13:48
topi`yes, it's connected to my Thinkpad USB port13:48
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topi`we should get some Jolla guys here on this channel...13:48
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Nicd-that may not be enough power for charging when the CPU is active though13:49
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topi`Nicd-: the battery is full, anyhow13:52
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topi`now I pressed the power button for 5 seconds, and jolla logo came up13:53
Nicd-did the progress bar go to the end=?13:54
topi`no, it went half way, and then screen went black13:54
Nicd-ok, that's not good I think13:54
topi`that's maybe why the jolla store app kept on crashing after my 1st update attempt13:54
topi`it booted to 1.0.2.5 but it was impossible to upgrade further because the app store kept crashing13:54
topi`I wish there were a serial console or somehthing that I could follow to see what's happening...13:55
HarhaanJohtajain some updates the screen did go black, if i remember right13:55
topi`so, do you just need to wait half an hour after the black screen, so that it finishes completely?13:56
topi`or how do you get any signal that it's ready?13:56
HarhaanJohtajai dont remember how long the screen was black13:57
HarhaanJohtajai dont remember anything else13:57
topi`my guess is that the Xorg does not start ,at all13:57
topi`and that's why screen is blank, even though the sw probably is running13:58
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Nicd-Sailfish does not use Xorg13:58
Nicd-it uses Wayland13:58
topi`I can see it toggles backlight on/off if I now press the power button once13:58
topi`otherwise no signs of life13:58
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topi`is there any Jolla service center in Helsinki?13:59
topi`I just want this damn thing flashed.13:59
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Aciidtopi`: optima service?14:05
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Aciidtopi`: http://optimaservice.fi/14:06
Nicd-but they probably won't take it in without a care ticket14:06
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trigpointMy jolla keeps powering off suddenly, always associated with trying to do something like take a photo, check email14:07
Nicd-trigpoint: contact care14:09
trigpointNicd Thanks14:09
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coderusCheck Mitakuuluu v0.8.8-3 bugfix. Report bugs as soon as possible.15:01
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AL13N_workcoderus: aren't you supposed to be perfect and not make mistakes/bugs? :-)15:06
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AL13N_workj/k15:08
AL13N_workbtw:15:08
AL13N_worktomorrow is "International Talk Like A Pirate Day" (ITLAPD)15:09
AL13N_workso... harr-harr15:09
AL13N_workarrr matey15:09
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stephgoh no15:19
covoxhah, that time of year again15:21
javispedrothe time where javispedro /joins in? yeah, scary times15:22
* javispedro looks up chanlogs15:22
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covoxI think I'm going to spend most of tomorrow glued to the scottish independence referendum15:24
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covoxif the rest of this week was any indicator15:24
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r0kk3rzshould get a result tonight i would have thought15:26
r0kk3rzits not a complicated count15:26
r0kk3rzsimple y/s15:26
r0kk3rz*y/s15:26
r0kk3rz*y.n15:26
r0kk3rzill get it right eventually15:26
inzinfinite number of monkeys...15:26
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inzr0kk3rz, I guess it depends on what you mean by "tonight", the booths are open until 10pm GMT, and obviously they can't start counting before that15:29
r0kk3rzoh wow thats late15:29
r0kk3rzi didnt think they'd be open that late15:29
r0kk3rztypically aus federal elections are closed by like 5pm15:30
inzThey expect first results at around 2am GMT15:30
r0kk3rzand you get the result at around 10pm ish15:30
covoxyep15:30
coderusAL13N_work: what are you talking about?15:30
inzAnd final results at around 6am15:30
covoxr0kk3rz: with federal elections, you can also call it a lot quicker because it's number of seats15:31
covoxthis referendum is a simple majority of votes, and since it's so freaking close every single vote'll have to be counted15:31
r0kk3rzwell yeah it depends on how close it ends up being15:32
r0kk3rzbut theres no preferences and other crap that other elections have was more my point15:32
r0kk3rzbut if you're not counting until after 10pm then yeah......15:33
AL13N_workcoderus: nvm, bad joke15:33
r0kk3rzis it such a great idea to have people counting something this important at like 2am?15:34
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r0kk3rzi guess you'd want to do multiple counts15:35
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covoxas someone who lives in GMT+8 it suits me pretty well :)15:36
covoxin the sense of wiping out my productivity for the friday15:36
r0kk3rzhah15:36
AL13N_workfuck it, i'll hear it on the radio tomorrow morning15:37
r0kk3rzi did think about going to edinburgh tonight, but if the result isnt going to come out until 2am15:37
AL13N_workcovox: i would've guessed most scots wanted independence for like ... centuries?15:37
AL13N_workmillenia?15:38
r0kk3rznot sure the scots have really been scots for millennia15:38
covoxAL13N_work: the union is 307 years old15:38
AL13N_worki expected cutting off balls for every person they come accross not wearing kilt15:38
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AL13N_workcovox: btw: why is this referendum now? and not (i donno 100y ago?)15:40
AL13N_workor last year15:40
AL13N_workwhat's the reason for it?15:40
covoxAL13N_work: three years ago scotland voted the SNP into the scottish parliament with a majority government15:41
covoxthe SNP's primary electoral platform is that of independence15:42
covoxin 2012 they negotiated with the UK to hold a referendum15:42
AL13N_workaah15:43
AL13N_workbut it's a ref in scotland alone?15:43
covoxyes15:43
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AL13N_workwhy would they even need to negotiate it?15:43
covoxbecause otherwise the result would have not been binding15:43
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AL13N_workcovox: you mean binding in the UK15:43
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AL13N_workhow about splitting off with a revolution, a manu militari?15:44
AL13N_workwouldn't that be quicker?15:44
r0kk3rzyeah but its also unnecessary15:44
covoxI wouldn't say so15:44
AL13N_workcovox: you mean england is stronger than scotland?15:45
r0kk3rzbut if the english werent prepared to play ball, and the polls were more like 80/2015:45
r0kk3rzthen maybe15:45
AL13N_worki mean, it's not like the welsh or ireland is gonna come helping england?15:45
covoxthe international outcry would be enormous15:46
AL13N_workis there a reason why some scots don't like independance?15:46
r0kk3rzbecause its not that bad15:46
AL13N_workcovox: is it really? i'm thinking of the wars in northern ireland going on for ages...15:46
AL13N_workwhat's the disadvantages of being independant?15:47
r0kk3rzits not like scotland is particularly oppressed by the english15:47
covoxAL13N_work: uncertainty mostly15:47
AL13N_workuncertainty of what?15:47
AL13N_workeconomy?15:47
covoxmostly that15:47
covoxthere are a lot of people still with the mistaken impression that scotland is poor and unable to walk on its own without westminster15:48
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covoxdespite having low unemployment, a highly-educated population and an embarrasment of natural resources15:48
AL13N_workembarrasment?15:49
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covoxfor the most part, the no campaign (known internally as "project fear") has basically been about scaremongering15:50
covoxAL13N_work: a shitload15:50
AL13N_workoh15:50
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AL13N_worki guess it's a win for england to have scotland (due to resources)15:51
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AL13N_workbut if scotland is independant, i can guess that norhtern ireland may want to opt-out too15:51
covoxoh yes15:51
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AL13N_workthe welsh maybe, but they probably wouldn't care much15:51
r0kk3rzthats a whole different story15:51
covoxinterestingly the SNP wanted the referendup to include the option of maximum devolution (i.e. stay in the UK, full control over spending and social policy)15:52
covoxbut the prime minister vetoed that and demanded a yes or no vote15:52
AL13N_workactually, if they would hold a referendum to dismantle the union and have 4 separate countries wouldn't there be a majority vote anyway?15:52
Shihua_when I send messages.my jolla blank screen.and the light of breath15:53
covoxwhich was great when no had a nice big lead, but now the lead has disappeared and westminster is shitting bricks15:53
Shihua_will twinkle15:53
AL13N_workwell, that's the reason it was vetoed of course...15:54
r0kk3rzi think we'll see a no vote anyway15:55
r0kk3rzundecideds always go for the status quo15:55
covoxit's all in the hands of the undecided voters15:55
Shihua_Jolla have many bugs.15:56
Shihua_make me trouble15:56
Shihua_why will it blank screen?just i send messages.15:57
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coderusAL13N_work: migrating to dconf from QSettings is a bit complicated and i can't check all cases myself ;)15:59
AL13N_workcoderus: of course :-)16:00
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AL13N_workr0kk3rz: covox: i thought undecided people don't vote16:00
covoxAL13N_work: voter enrollment for this referendum is 97%16:01
covoxwith an expectation of >90% turning up16:01
r0kk3rzmaybe, i'm so used to voting being compulsary i forget the rest of the world doesnt do that16:01
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covoxr0kk3rz: I think we're lucky to have compulsory voting... it kinda forces you to confront the issues even if you don't feel engaged with politics16:02
AL13N_workit's compulsary here too16:02
AL13N_worki just vote invalid16:02
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r0kk3rzbut i would still think that undecideds will still vote no16:03
r0kk3rzif you're not convinced by the yes case, you're not going to want to let it happen just because you didnt vote16:03
AL13N_workr0kk3rz: shouldn't there be an option "i don't care either way" ?16:03
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AL13N_workthen if yes > no, then there's no problem16:04
covoxr0kk3rz: the yes campaign have a very good ground team16:05
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covoxit's amazing that they've got this far at all, every mainstream media outlet in the UK doesn't support independence16:06
AL13N_workalso, i don't understand why elections always need to have this big campagining thing16:06
r0kk3rzi'm surprised they didnt change the question to "do you want scotland to stay in the uk"16:06
covoxall the scottish newspapers save one don't support independence16:06
r0kk3rzso the independants would be the no case16:07
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covoxr0kk3rz: this is what good negotiating gets you :)16:07
covoxbut really it makes sense, the vote is about independence not "no independence"16:08
r0kk3rzyeah i know16:09
r0kk3rzbut its easier to be positive about a yes case than a no case16:09
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phdeswerr0kk3rz: depends... HIV positive?16:15
* phdeswer does not like this inwards me and my neighbours thing going on lately. Scotland, Flanders, Catalonia, ...16:16
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Siddesoon we in Norrland (north land) can be independent from sweden and keep all the money we give up to stockholm16:17
Sidde;)16:18
phdeswerSidde:  something like that ;) As long as you can find something in history that makes sense...16:19
* phdeswer looks at creating a mess in Germany and Poland16:19
phdeswerLet's bring Prussia back! ;)16:19
Siddephdeswer: we weren't even taxed by the swedish king until the 160016:19
Siddethis was "no mans land" until the found a silver mine and the king clamed everything16:20
phdeswerSounds like it is still going on.. Petrol and antartic?16:21
Siddethe north pole too16:21
Siddeis it norway, denmark or russia that owns the pole and the oil at the bottom...16:21
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phdeswerWe can solve that.... We create a new Norway, Denmark & Sweden conflict. Then get the Russians distracted with bringing back some Mongol hordes and Finland gets the pole and the oil :)16:24
r0kk3rzphdeswer: the whole EU thing makes it easier for these areas to gain more power from independence, but still remain part of the whole16:24
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Nicd-phdeswer: HIV aladeen?16:34
phdeswerNicd-: just an example where some positive result might not really be what you want16:34
Nicd-I guess you missed the reference :)16:35
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AL13Nphdeswer: tbh, flanders independance is not happening17:18
AL13Nflanders is rich and it will take too much resources to be seperate17:18
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lars_I switch my sim card to another carrier, and suddenly LTE is not working anymore. It continues to show the "Problem with connection" like its in a loop, switching to 3G, "fixes" it. The LTE connection have worked with this carrier earlier. Is there some way to debug, whats happening ?18:38
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pXdarnbak: just a wild guess, but have you checked the apn-settings?18:50
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pXdah, nvm - i didn't realize that it worked earlier with that carrier.18:55
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arnbakpXd: that could be19:00
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arnbakJust wondering how I can see the connection attempt info19:03
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pXdarnbak: sailfish uses systemd's journald, btw - you can access the log-journal with "su-devel journalctl" (via ssh or terminal).20:06
pXdarnbak: maybe you can find some useful informations there.20:06
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pXd"su-devel journalctl -f" is even more convinient because it shows the most recent entries and print out constantly new entries.20:08
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meklusu-devel?20:10
mekludo you mean devel-su?20:10
mekludidn't know about the -f flag, that's cool20:10
pXdsu-devel or devel-su - both seem to work ;)20:11
pXdhttps://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004163.html - " It's available as su-devel as well to make it20:13
pXdbetter discoverable for people without MeeGo background.20:13
pXd"20:13
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mekluoh, neat20:24
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pXdtotally ;)20:27
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AL13Nwow, this is a good movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3448226/ i had expected some dumb killing spree movie, but this guy actually has some good points20:52
AL13Nthere should be a RL dude like this20:53
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pXdAL13N: well, good to know. especially because it's an uwe boll production. ;) for me that usually drops all my expectations to 0.21:04
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bennypr0fanehello, I want to install patchmanager, but I'm not sure how to make the backup. Is this code for creating a backup or for restoring it? cd /opt/patchmanager/backups/usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/21:08
bennypr0fanecp -rf * /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/21:08
pXdit copies everything what is in/under /opt/patchmanager/backups/usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/ to /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/ - so i would say it's for restoring it.21:12
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bennypr0fanepXd: well then how do I create one?21:13
bennypr0fanealso, in the app itself ,it says that backup is corrupt...?21:14
bennypr0fanekinda doesn't make sense to me21:14
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pXdbennypr0fane: sorry, better ask someone else. i'm a jolla-user for one week and i have no clue when it comes to the patchmanager you are talking about. ;)21:19
bennypr0fanealright. maybe someone else in here?21:20
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stephgbennypr0fane: where did you get that first copy command from?21:26
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bennypr0fanestephg, I got it from the patchmanager thread on tmo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9293522:09
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stephgso yeah I'm with pXd, that's the restoration22:09
stephgso you have choices for restoration (provided patchmanager doesn't clobber anything in the package management framework)22:10
stephgi) copy files back (as they suggest) or ii) reinstall RPMs22:10
stephgthere are probably a handful of cases where the latter won't work depending on how QML things get included or whatever22:11
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bennypr0fanestephg thanks, but that brings me back to my previous question: hwo do I create that backup in the first place?23:30
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