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EaxBin | Hey! Is there a way to get newer Google Play Services? Many apps require this :( | 06:39 |
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joonahoi_ | EaxBin: there is, google around a bit | 07:04 |
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EaxBin | joonahoi_: I Have, to no avail :/ | 07:05 |
EaxBin | I have found others with my problem, but no solution. | 07:05 |
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EaxBin | I have the play store working :) But not the Services, it would seem. | 07:07 |
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joonahoi_ | EaxBin: i though the play store depended on the google services | 07:14 |
joonahoi_ | thought | 07:14 |
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EaxBin | Me too :b | 07:15 |
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tbr | well it's as easy as downloading the play services APKs and dependencies and installing them | 07:33 |
Jope | then it's time to enjoy google surveillance :-) | 07:34 |
tbr | yeah | 07:35 |
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tbr | now that you can't play ingress, it's only g+ that I'd need play services for... | 07:36 |
EaxBin | Thanks :) Some of the apps I use, require them :/ | 07:36 |
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EaxBin | Okay, so I installed the play services APK, but I still get the message "Update Google Play services - This app won't run unless you update Google Play services." | 07:42 |
tbr | depends on how you installed it the first time | 07:43 |
tbr | if it was installed as root then it might not be able to replace it | 07:43 |
tbr | make sure it's really installed and that there are no older versions around | 07:44 |
EaxBin | Oh, could be. Hm, how do I remove what I installed as root then? | 07:44 |
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topiasv | quite a lot of people around :) | 07:47 |
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gexc | only two days left lol | 08:13 |
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Toxip | yep, quite anxious now whether they can keep their promise ;) | 08:21 |
Toxip | It's a big update so they might've hit a few rocks on the way :P | 08:21 |
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tbr | Toxip: well two major things happened last week that were out of their control. shellshock and the NSS vulnerability | 08:42 |
Stskeeps | a few rocks? a damn iceberg! | 08:42 |
tbr | I'll be happy if they manage to ship by end of the week… | 08:42 |
tbr | Stskeeps: as long as you don't pull a Titanic, everything will be fine. | 08:43 |
* tbr orders the orchestra to play louder | 08:43 | |
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Sail0r | I wonder what happens this week? | 09:05 |
Sail0r | zero day in SSH? | 09:05 |
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tbr | that would be "fun", for very sadomasochistic values of "fun" | 09:06 |
stephg | yey, a new meaning for 'S' in FSVO ;) | 09:07 |
Sail0r | the shellshock thing revealed 2 essential scripts on our deployment system which worked only because of shellshock ^^ | 09:08 |
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Sail0r | these are 2 of those scripts which do the magic since many years and nobody wanted to touch them | 09:09 |
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ggabriel | Sail0r: let me guess... now you can't patch bash because they break those scripts | 09:10 |
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Sail0r | nope we patched bash and things broke ;) | 09:14 |
Sail0r | so we have to rewrite those scripts ;) | 09:14 |
ggabriel | sounds too reasonable to me | 09:15 |
ggabriel | :) | 09:15 |
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stephg | oh hello ggabriel long time no see | 09:16 |
ggabriel | o/ stephg | 09:16 |
ggabriel | yeah, been too busy with work and doing loads of things when off the clock | 09:16 |
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kimmoli | (win 14 | 09:49 |
kimmoli | dfgfdg | 09:50 |
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birdzhang | not updated yet :-( | 10:24 |
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Morpog_Jolla | http://pic.twitter.com/MRD9x27Y1S | 10:51 |
Scelt | mushroom mushroom | 10:52 |
stephg | snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake | 10:52 |
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Scelt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGlyFc79BUE | 10:55 |
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Morpog_Jolla | silence before the storm? :) | 12:21 |
Sail0r | hehe | 12:23 |
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Sailor927 | hi | 12:30 |
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Venemo | Morpog_PC: where do you get the idea? | 12:30 |
Wnt | where doues cutesporify store it's config & cache? I get a Segmentation fault when trying to launch it: http://pastebin.com/EPF2spiy | 12:30 |
Venemo | Sailor927: hi! | 12:30 |
Sailor927 | anyone having problems with warehouse and store? | 12:31 |
Venemo | Wnt: I don't know, but you can look around in ~/.config/ | 12:31 |
Venemo | Wnt: just be careful not to delete stuff that you shouldn't delete | 12:31 |
Wnt | oh, it's in ~/.local/share/harbour-cutespotify | 12:32 |
Wnt | didn't remember the /share/ part | 12:32 |
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clau | is anyone using SecureFishNet? | 12:35 |
Wnt | still segfaults after logging in :( | 12:35 |
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clau | I wonder if Default GW setting is supposed to work, or it's just there (disabled) for the future. | 12:35 |
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tadzik | eh, I got like 8 shutdown thus far today | 12:36 |
tadzik | will contacting care actually give me a chance to have a non-faulty device this time, or will they send me a random one and maybe it will be better? | 12:36 |
clau | tadzik: have you tried the battery trick? | 12:37 |
Nicd- | tadzik: has it been serviced before? | 12:37 |
tadzik | clau: the paper, yes | 12:37 |
tadzik | Nicd-: no | 12:37 |
Nicd- | replaced? | 12:37 |
Wnt | would be so nice if spotify would release their official native sailfish app https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy1hfZLNrLI | 12:37 |
tadzik | the paper helped for a couple of months | 12:37 |
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tadzik | Nicd-: no, I didn't contact care yet at all | 12:37 |
tadzik | I just stuck a paper there in July (2 weeks after buying, I think) and it did the job until today | 12:37 |
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Nicd- | tadzik: then contact care | 12:38 |
Nicd- | I had a problem with the SIM holder and haven't had reboots after optima service | 12:38 |
tadzik | hmm, it's called care, but I don't see anything called "care" on the website | 12:39 |
tadzik | ah, there's care@jolla.com | 12:40 |
meklu | yup | 12:40 |
Nicd- | yep, send them an email | 12:40 |
tadzik | 'kay, thanks | 12:40 |
tbr | tadzik: have you cleaned both battery contact surfaces properly? | 12:41 |
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tadzik | tbr: no | 12:42 |
tbr | tadzik: highly recommended | 12:42 |
tbr | after cleaning, avoid touching with your fingers, they are greasy and will only make it correode faster | 12:43 |
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tbr | for cleaning you can use a rubber eraser (blue side of red/blue), or contact cleaning fluid or VERY GENTLY a small flat screw driver, literally just swiping it over both the battery and the device contacts | 12:44 |
tbr | that should remove any oxide layer on either surface | 12:44 |
Nicd- | or you can just take it to care and avoid voiding your warranty | 12:44 |
tbr | Nicd-: how does that void your warranty, also 2-3 weeks without device is MEH! | 12:44 |
tbr | another quick way is simply reseating the battery 20 times while wiggling it a bit | 12:45 |
Nicd- | tbr: it does if you mess up with the screwdriver | 12:45 |
tbr | Nicd-: then you are a moron who didn't understand "VERY gently" and rightfully destroyed their device. | 12:46 |
Nicd- | accidents happen | 12:46 |
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tbr | yes, and accidents have consequences, film at 11 | 12:46 |
tbr | that said, if you have 2 left hands, no friends who could help, and can live without the device for 2-3 weeks, send it to care. *shrug* | 12:47 |
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tbr | so far we had even teenage girls perform the process with perfect results. | 12:49 |
Wnt | that sounds so simple that I would never recommend sending the device to care as the first option, if that process has helped a number of people | 12:51 |
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Wnt | sending to care will waste your time, time at the repair center and even in the post office | 12:51 |
tadzik | yeah, that's a good argument | 12:52 |
Wnt | and of course time is money, money that Jolla could be using e.g. to deliver you more software features in the form of future updates :) | 12:53 |
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tbr | Wnt: yes, that puts it quite aptly. | 13:05 |
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Pawky | tbr: ehh.. aren't the contact plates gold plated??? | 13:07 |
tadzik | brb selling :P | 13:08 |
tbr | Pawky: maybe, so what? | 13:08 |
Pawky | tbr: so... what corrotion are you talking about??? | 13:08 |
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Pawky | To my knowledge gold doesn't corrode (damn how is it spelled?) much... | 13:09 |
tbr | Pawky: your keyboard seems broken, might want to get your "?" fixed, it bounces. Also no, I don't think both sides are plated, actually I'm fairly sure that one side is not and with the slightest moisture you get an electrochemical process | 13:09 |
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tbr | Pawky: alternatively there might be impurities, industrial gold is not pure by any measure | 13:10 |
Pawky | tbr: well.. pure enough to not corode when touching it with fingers.. | 13:11 |
tbr | Pawky: reality seems to disagree with you | 13:11 |
Pawky | any pictures to go with that? | 13:11 |
tbr | no, but kimmoli is happy to finally have the problem and will investigate soon. I think he wants to observe the problem for a bit before doing anything. | 13:14 |
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tbr | also I'm not sure if an oxide layer would be even that visible. it could be. | 13:14 |
tbr | reminds me to order that cheap chinese usb microscope | 13:14 |
Pawky | tbr: to my knowledge it should be... as its a layer.. | 13:14 |
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Pawky | tbr: then again, gold wont really oxidise due to sweaty hands and such... so I assume one would spend a lot of money for nothing buying that microscope.. | 13:16 |
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tbr | Pawky: lot of money ~= USD 30-50 - and I have many other uses for even a shitty thing like that. | 13:18 |
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tbr | Pawky: you have a phd in metal chemistry or something? | 13:18 |
Pawky | tbr: well I hope the other uses will give you the bang for the buck then. You will still have a hard time finding that corosion on the cold plated tips.. | 13:19 |
Pawky | tbr: unless you are swetting aqua regia :-D | 13:20 |
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tbr | Pawky: you still assume 100% pure gold. at this point I don't see any value in discussing this topic with you further. *plonk* | 13:21 |
Pawky | tbr: I understand, you better go on and teach the world about your golden impurities and how corosion might ruin our lives :-) | 13:22 |
coderus | my isp have some problems, sites not loading, but irc surprizingly works | 13:23 |
coderus | i have updates for Mitakuuluu. but can't release them :D | 13:23 |
Pawky | coderus: DNS troubles? | 13:23 |
Sail0r | new pebbled release :) | 13:24 |
tbr | try using 8.8.4.4 as your DNS? | 13:24 |
Teme | submit yourself to Larry Page and use Google's DNS at 8.8.8.8 | 13:24 |
Sail0r | or 2001:4860:4860::8888 | 13:25 |
Pawky | tbr: (by the way aren't fingerprints actually fat? and will fat actually make impure gold corode?... couldn't help it) :-D | 13:25 |
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clau | there's also opendns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDNS | 13:29 |
coderus | :D | 13:29 |
clau | 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 | 13:30 |
coderus | no, there just maintenance on isp side | 13:30 |
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Pawky | clau: seems to be running under windows "the service is based on closed-source software" not to my liking.... | 13:32 |
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tbr | For those who want to get a glimpse into contact plating and its issues: http://goo.gl/Ht3L40 | 13:59 |
tbr | and that's just entry level. I would certainly not claim to know or understand the deeper chemistry and electromechanical issues. | 14:00 |
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tbr | while oxygen free copper is BS for audio applications, this is certainly real | 14:01 |
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tbr | Someone might want to point pawky at this if he is still around. Recommend to him to maybe research the topic a bit further before claiming to understand a topic. | 14:01 |
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Morpog_Jolla | Venemo: what idea? | 14:50 |
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coderus | tbr: http://i.imgur.com/J52Ty4n.png | 15:07 |
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tbr | coderus: yes, not the full book is available, for me the interesting parts were. | 15:08 |
tbr | let me check page numbers to see if you get a different content | 15:08 |
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tbr | coderus: page 66 | 15:10 |
tbr | http://www.vtt.fi/inf/pdf/publications/2007/P626.pdf was also interesting, but even more high level. | 15:10 |
Venemo | Morpog_Jolla: this [12:51:29] <Morpog_Jolla> http://pic.twitter.com/MRD9x27Y1S | 15:10 |
Morpog_Jolla | well, promise was this month | 15:11 |
Venemo | ah | 15:12 |
faenil | Morpog_Jolla: promises, promises...come on, it's just a word :D | 15:13 |
tbr | but then Shellshock and NSS happened. So I'm not putting end of the month on the gold scale, so to say | 15:13 |
faenil | (lol) | 15:13 |
Venemo | I'd rather have a stable update next month than a shitty one this month ;) | 15:13 |
Morpog_Jolla | shhhh dont destroy my hopes :) | 15:13 |
* tbr will be happy if it arrives by end of the week | 15:13 | |
coderus | about my ISP problem: it seems Rostelecom banned Google :D | 15:15 |
coderus | yandex working okay, but google not :D | 15:15 |
Wnt | ouch | 15:15 |
tbr | or they b0rked their routing | 15:15 |
coderus | yeah | 15:15 |
faenil | Morpog_Jolla: they said "few weeks" and it was half september | 15:15 |
faenil | I wasn't expecting them to say "this month" first of all :) | 15:16 |
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coderus | lol, it's very very long routing list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8459294 | 15:17 |
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Morpog_Jolla | faenil: they aldo daid enf of month in the same sentence | 15:21 |
faenil | Morpog_Jolla: exactly, that's what I don't understand | 15:22 |
Morpog_Jolla | omg | 15:22 |
Morpog_Jolla | damn vkb | 15:22 |
Wnt | :D | 15:22 |
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Wnt | coderus: when ISPs fail like that it good to use tools like https://github.com/apenwarr/sshuttle to route yout traffic around the problem | 15:25 |
Wnt | not sure if similar zero-configuration-VPN solutions exist for Windows, but at least on GNU/Linux that's a really simple way to set up temporary VPN connections | 15:28 |
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coderus | Wnt: fine, how can i use it on different ssh port? | 15:30 |
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meShell | @coderus: only as short info, got increasing cpu usage of mitakuuluu-server since some hours right now, incrasing every couple of minutes by 0.1%, right now at 13,3% (some traces from right now: http://pastebin.com/XmChxGWL) | 15:36 |
Nicd- | meShell: that shows 190 % cpu | 15:39 |
Nicd- | have you installed the latest updates? | 15:39 |
meShell | mitakuuluu 0.8.9 | 15:40 |
coderus | meShell: you need to update :) | 15:41 |
coderus | and one more update coming in one hour | 15:41 |
meShell | ok, I know there came 8.10 but if you would like to trace something right now would be a chance if needed | 15:42 |
coderus | meShell: no | 15:43 |
coderus | aw, Type not registered with QtDBus in parameter list :( | 15:43 |
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coderus | i have | 15:43 |
coderus | qRegisterMetaType<FMessage>("FMessage"); | 15:43 |
meShell | k then I'll update now | 15:44 |
coderus | isnt it enough? something was changed? | 15:44 |
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Wnt | coderus: you can get usage instructions with ./sshuttle --help | 15:45 |
Wnt | basic usage: sshuttle [-l [ip:]port] [-r [username@]sshserver[:port]] <subnets...> | 15:46 |
Wnt | I usually launch it like this: ./sshuttle --dns -vvr my_ssh_server_ip 0/0 | 15:47 |
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coderus | Wnt: fine, seems working :) | 15:49 |
coderus | thanks :) | 15:49 |
Wnt | coderus: Cool :) of course it's a bit slower compared to a real VPN solution like OpenVPN, but it's really painless to setup | 15:53 |
coderus | Wnt: its okay for now, thanks :) | 15:54 |
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Yaniel | well now I feel dumb | 16:01 |
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Stskeeps | oh? | 16:01 |
TMavica | hi | 16:02 |
Yaniel | the reason the clock of my jolla was 5mins late was because automatic updating of it was disabled | 16:02 |
Yaniel | why is that the default anyway? | 16:02 |
Stskeeps | ah.. yeah, it's not good in the drifting | 16:02 |
Yaniel | I don't remember being asked to enable it when I did a factory reset | 16:02 |
Stskeeps | hmm | 16:02 |
Stskeeps | was enabled for me, i think | 16:03 |
Nicd- | Yaniel: you can now use weecrapp to talk and view all your buffers | 16:03 |
Nicd- | nearing a beta release :) | 16:03 |
Yaniel | yay | 16:03 |
Yaniel | gotta set up a relay then | 16:04 |
Yaniel | link? | 16:04 |
Nicd- | there's no rpm built yet | 16:04 |
Yaniel | github? | 16:04 |
Nicd- | but the project is at https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-weechatrelay | 16:04 |
Yaniel | vincit? wow, this looks official :D | 16:05 |
Nicd- | it's in a very work in progress state | 16:05 |
Nicd- | Yaniel: "The development of WeeCRApp is graciously sponsored by Vincit Oy." | 16:05 |
Yaniel | yup, just read that | 16:05 |
Yaniel | since when did bitbucket support git? :o | 16:05 |
Nicd- | since years ago | 16:06 |
Yaniel | nice to know, it didn't when I last used it years ago | 16:06 |
kimmoli | just need merobs to support bitbucket webhooks... | 16:07 |
Yaniel | this reminds me, I haven't updated the SDK in ages | 16:08 |
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jayki | hi, somebody here, who can help me ? My phone stucks on boot logo, so i tried btrfs recovery but it didn't worked and flashing the device to factory state gives me : "[ERROR] Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing." | 17:38 |
Venemo | flashing the device? huh? | 17:38 |
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jayki | yeah i mean resetting it via the recovery tool to factory state ;) | 17:39 |
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Venemo | what recovery tool? | 17:40 |
jayki | the revory mode via telnet Jolla Recovery v0.2.7 | 17:40 |
Venemo | hm, maybe Stskeeps can help :) | 17:40 |
Stskeeps | contact care, as a start.. | 17:42 |
jayki | i hope so :D the phone was in repair last month with the just the same symptom( just displays the jolla logo but not boots) but the last time flashing the device gets me to something else, and now this... | 17:43 |
Venemo | okay, do we have a flasher for the device? | 17:43 |
Venemo | that's news to me | 17:43 |
jayki | hm okay, will contact care again, thought it would be an easy solution that could be solved here ;) | 17:43 |
jayki | no no flasher, the normal recovery mode via telnet ;) | 17:44 |
faenil | Jonni: please contact jayki, he's the second guy who has that issue, I told the other one on twitter to contact you but it seems he didnt | 17:45 |
faenil | Jonni: https://twitter.com/faenil/status/513941812743270400 | 17:46 |
faenil | jayki: is this the same output you get? | 17:47 |
faenil | https://twitter.com/TMavica/status/513720112856068096 | 17:47 |
jayki | wait ;) | 17:47 |
faenil | i.e. do you have "missing operand" error as well? | 17:47 |
jayki | sh: unlock: unknown operand | 17:48 |
jayki | sh: shell: unknown operand | 17:48 |
jayki | [ERROR] Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing. | 17:48 |
jayki | are my errors ;) | 17:48 |
jayki | so.. don't know, i have a working jolla here too and could write some files around and what you want.. but it's now the second time this phone has this problems and the other is working since dec.2013 without any problem... maybe a hardware failure? | 17:50 |
TMavica | my fd ever has this problem, then JollaHK give him a new Jolla | 17:51 |
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faenil | Jonni: Stskeeps this stuff requires a hotfix... | 17:52 |
Venemo | fortunately, my jolla is all well since dec '13 | 17:53 |
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faenil | Venemo: same here, only 2 shutdowns since dec13 | 17:55 |
fennekki | ...interesting | 17:56 |
fennekki | I just wanted to copy something from a terminal | 17:56 |
fennekki | but didn't seem to be able to do so | 17:56 |
fennekki | so I wound up manually inserting it into the Notes app database as a new note | 17:57 |
fennekki | and copying that | 17:57 |
locusf | mine is coming out of repair :/ | 17:59 |
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locusf | although I gotta admit that I really miss my primary Jolla as my devel Jolla only has Glacier homescreen and thus terminal won't work | 18:00 |
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Jonni | faenil: its a known bug that update8 recovery script has bug, will be fixed in update9. | 18:04 |
faenil | Jonni: okay, good to hear it's fixed already...don't you think it was worth a hotfix? | 18:05 |
faenil | or does it only happen in very special conditions? | 18:05 |
Jonni | hotfix takes more time than actual release | 18:05 |
faenil | well yes, when there's few days missing | 18:05 |
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faenil | but I was thinking more like, a month ago, or 2 months ago | 18:05 |
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faenil | since it was a known bug | 18:06 |
Jonni | well it only happens on update8 and will remeain broken for ever, so update 2-7 and 9 will work | 18:06 |
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Jonni | you can still factory reset from the UI side, just not from recover mode. | 18:06 |
faenil | problem is they can't access UI :P | 18:07 |
faenil | but anyway, thanks for giving us news | 18:07 |
Jonni | well recoverymode shell can probably also used for clearing if he finds the bugged line in the script, I dont remember that line out of my hat | 18:08 |
Jonni | hmm, lets see if I can access bugzilla from home... | 18:09 |
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coderus | and no mitakuuluu update today :( | 18:12 |
Jonni | time for some pm magic with jayki. | 18:12 |
faenil | Jonni: thanks! | 18:15 |
Jonni | anyways there is a small edit that can be done in commandline to fix it, if he just wakes up :) | 18:15 |
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jayki | thanks for your help Jonni ;) | 18:28 |
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Jonni | well fixed that error, but seems that your p28 is corrupted. So most likely needs dd copy of p28 like in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93849 | 18:29 |
coderus | i can ask for p28 link | 18:31 |
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jayki | i have a working jolla here near me, so could do this on my own, but i won't brick the device.... | 18:32 |
coderus | jayki: just use ext4/btrfs formatted card | 18:34 |
coderus | and you dont brick device | 18:34 |
coderus | you will fix it! :D | 18:34 |
coderus | of course you'll loose all your data | 18:34 |
coderus | so backup it first (if possible) :) | 18:34 |
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jayki | i have a backup of all the sensitive data just before to something else in recovery mode ;) | 18:36 |
jayki | will dd now, but send the phone to care, even if it works then, because this happend the second time on this hardware.. so i think a hardware problem is very possibile here | 18:37 |
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gogeta | hi guys | 19:47 |
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dr_gogeta86 | any good hint for btrfs health check | 19:48 |
dr_gogeta86 | ? | 19:48 |
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AL13N | dr_gogeta86: scrub is one | 19:53 |
AL13N | btrfsck i wouldn't do that | 19:53 |
AL13N | dr_gogeta86: but, btrfs cannot break :-) | 19:53 |
AL13N | btrfs has file checksums, so it will tell messages if such a thing happens | 19:53 |
AL13N | (that is, if you check your journal, of course) | 19:54 |
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dr_gogeta86 | is near full | 19:54 |
dr_gogeta86 | old problem | 19:54 |
dr_gogeta86 | since august | 19:54 |
dr_gogeta86 | [root@Jolla home]# btrfs fi show | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | Label: 'sailfish' uuid: 0f8a2490-53ed-4ff6-ba34-b81df3430387 | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | Total devices 1 FS bytes used 6.26GB | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | devid 1 size 13.75GB used 12.32GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | i need to force rebalance | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | but due some bugs | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | if I rebalance device is going to bootloop | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | trying into recovery don't work | 19:55 |
dr_gogeta86 | and sometimes goes in boot loop also | 19:55 |
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dr_gogeta86 | the only thing is to stop the balance | 19:56 |
dr_gogeta86 | AL13N, but is discard/Trim in place ? | 19:59 |
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dr_gogeta86 | sorry but not | 20:04 |
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dr_gogeta86 | fixed with incremental usage | 20:12 |
dr_gogeta86 | incredible | 20:12 |
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AL13N | dr_gogeta86: ? | 20:16 |
AL13N | dr_gogeta86: afaik the ssd mount option is detected automatically | 20:17 |
AL13N | one of trim or discard (can't remember which, isn't on by default for some reason) | 20:17 |
dr_gogeta86 | ssd not enable trim | 20:17 |
AL13N | trim has some adverse effects too | 20:17 |
dr_gogeta86 | i've launched fstrim manually | 20:18 |
AL13N | i remember reading this on btrfs wiki page, i think | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | don't fix | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | btrfs balance start -v -dusage=0 | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | to btrfs balance start -v -dusage=35 | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | free up 2Gbyte in my case | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | over cause jolla boot loop | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | :-( | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | now i'm in recovery | 20:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 20:19 |
M4rtinK | AFAIK mounting an SSD with trim lower performance | 20:22 |
M4rtinK | and the usual recommendation is to periodically run fstrim from cron instead | 20:22 |
M4rtinK | it has some other benefits like batching all the accumulated trim commands together rather than processing each of them individually | 20:23 |
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dr_gogeta86 | M4rtinK, btrfs need trimming into a deeper level | 20:26 |
dr_gogeta86 | rebalancing was "fixed" on last 3.14 | 20:27 |
M4rtinK | well, that's something different than trim IIRC | 20:27 |
dr_gogeta86 | 207.085884] Btrfs detected SSD devices, enabling SSD mode | 20:28 |
dr_gogeta86 | [ 207.304990] btrfs: unlinked 5 orphans | 20:28 |
dr_gogeta86 | [ 207.305020] btrfs: truncated 2 orphans | 20:28 |
dr_gogeta86 | [ 207.925225] btrfs: unlinked 1 orphans | 20:28 |
dr_gogeta86 | [ 207.925896] btrfs: continuing balance | 20:28 |
M4rtinK | something like filesystem level garbage accumulation | 20:28 |
dr_gogeta86 | but at block level | 20:28 |
M4rtinK | keeping the garbage in place might improve performance at the cost of overall slowdown or space occupation | 20:28 |
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dr_gogeta86 | i don't know btrfs i need to study it into an user point of view | 20:29 |
M4rtinK | I still consider it too complicated & not robust enough | 20:29 |
M4rtinK | so I rather stick with LVM and XFS for my systems for the time being :) | 20:30 |
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M4rtinK | LVM actually recently got some of the features BTRFs has | 20:31 |
M4rtinK | like thin provisioning | 20:31 |
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M4rtinK | internal RAID | 20:31 |
dr_gogeta86 | mdadm for ever | 20:31 |
M4rtinK | and most recently caching | 20:31 |
dr_gogeta86 | apart of this | 20:31 |
dr_gogeta86 | btrfs was choised for snapshots | 20:31 |
M4rtinK | actually the new LVM RAID uses mdraid internally | 20:31 |
M4rtinK | dr_gogeta86: you can now do thin snapshots (difference only) in LVM with thin provisioning :) | 20:32 |
M4rtinK | and it is even possible to convert an existing normal LV to a thin LV :) | 20:33 |
dr_gogeta86 | devid 1 size 13.75GB used 11.32GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 20:33 |
dr_gogeta86 | much better | 20:33 |
M4rtinK | nice :) | 20:33 |
dr_gogeta86 | thin provisioning is poot | 20:33 |
dr_gogeta86 | thin provisioning is poot | 20:33 |
dr_gogeta86 | thin provisioning is poor | 20:33 |
M4rtinK | well, works fine for my stuff | 20:34 |
dr_gogeta86 | my phone for now is my entire world | 20:34 |
dr_gogeta86 | without home pc | 20:34 |
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dr_gogeta86 | lil by lil | 20:38 |
dr_gogeta86 | i'm freeing space | 20:38 |
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dr_gogeta86 | segmentation fault :-D | 21:08 |
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Shinryuu | :O | 21:10 |
dr_gogeta86 | Shinryuu, shit happens | 21:11 |
Shinryuu | indeed | 21:11 |
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flux | m4rtink, but the performance of LVM snapshots still sucks, right? | 21:12 |
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M4rtinK | flux: well, the thin snapshots should have performance comparable to btrfs snapshots | 21:18 |
M4rtinK | flux: as they are doing pretty much the same think | 21:18 |
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M4rtinK | I haven't see any negative reports so far | 21:19 |
M4rtinK | but any benchmarks comparing the two either | 21:19 |
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kimmoli | can someone with 4G check what "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.NetworkRegistration.GetProperties" says for Technology ? | 22:09 |
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kimmoli | i guess "lte" | 22:12 |
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* keithzg doesn't even have 3G :( | 23:18 | |
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