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lpotterkimmoli: yes, it should say lte00:54
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coderuss9DW8g/+oXwHNV1gY7MKH/82iSM=06:33
coderusoops06:33
coderusanyway you have no idea what is it :)06:33
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mekluI know it's base64-encoded06:48
mekluha!06:48
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mcfriskjolla music player should be playing all songs (20gb) in suffle mode but is stuck on an artist/album/playlist, is there some debug info somewhere I could grab?07:14
Tememaybe it's not stuck, you're just having luck with the shuffle rng ;)07:21
mcfriskor /dev/urandom does not have any entropy, but no this is a real bug. Somehow did not happen before service and reflash.07:22
mcfriskand suffle starts working again if I press the next song button. Pause does not cure it. Just had one hour of Metallica...07:23
Temei'd take it to TJC then07:24
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Stskeepsso, who's been playing with zram on jolla device?07:25
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mcfriskTeme: will do, but was hoping to grab some debug info when the situation was on..07:27
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Temewell, maybe someone you need is more actively looking at TJC than IRC :)07:45
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.8.11 released with bugfixies: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.8.11 Check for updates!08:34
* till- is updating08:35
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tmynttinSo, younited coming to Sailfish this week :)08:56
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tadzikthis cloud storage thingy?08:57
Temeyes08:58
tadzikcool08:58
Temefinally a way to sync Keepass databases to my Jolla too08:58
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Temetoo bad i gotta change from Google Drive to Younited on all the others :P08:58
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TemeVTeme: I don't see anything bad on changin away from google drive :)09:04
TemeVor anything else related to google09:04
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meklu"keepass"09:07
mekluheh09:07
tadzikheh09:08
mekludoesn't look like it has a proper desktop client though :(09:08
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mekluhuh.09:08
mekluhttp://community.f-secure.com/t5/Using-younited/Linux-clients-available-here/td-p/3898109:08
mekluapparently they have *something*09:09
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Nicd-tmynttin: source?09:10
TemeTemeV: just the effort - also the hassle of having two accounts09:10
Temei mean younited does not offer mail, which i am always logged into09:11
Temeand can easily access drive online09:11
Temebut whatever09:11
Temealso i've managed so far on the Jolla without Keepass so i'm not sure if i'll even jump through the hoops09:11
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tmynttinNicd-: tweet by (at)CloudTimo09:14
mekluhttps://twitter.com/CloudTimo/status/51658248506572800109:15
tmynttin@CloudTimo: Hey all @JollaHQ fans - your wait for @GetYounited is soon over. App hitting #jollastore this week @FSecure #SWITCHONFREEDOM09:15
gexchmm... not much of September left09:15
Temethe "earlys" tend to have a history... not saying it will happen this time :)09:19
clautalking about update... have you noticed the "check for updates" settings is ignored? I have it set on WLAN Only, and it still checks over 4G.09:20
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pdanekSomething is terribly wrong will Sailfish. :O09:21
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mekluhow terribly wrong? :o09:21
pdanekIt's only only when I plug-in to charger, that I need to turn-off the screen twice, but often even after doing some actions, like I close few applications --> lock the screen --> after 2 sec, screen unlocks itself --> I have to lock it again.09:22
pdanekIt happens so so much to me, I'm getting mad from it. :D09:22
meklu:D09:22
pdanekOnly only --> not only09:22
mekluI've found that the screen unlocks/lights up for a while when I plug the charger in, and when the charging notification would go away, if I've locked the screen, it turns on again09:23
pdanekYes, that is like always.09:23
mekluit is rather annoying09:23
pdanekBut sometimes even without, like you do some action on phone, lock and it unlocks, no charging involved.09:24
pdanekLike OS still does something in the background and wakes up the display.09:24
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ggabrielpdanek: that does certainly not happen to me09:25
ggabrielany unofficial applications/android store perhaps?09:25
ggabrielor rather: have you tried doing a factory reset and running the official stuff only and replicate?09:25
ggabrielalso, journalctl should tell you what happens around the time the screen is getting unlocked/woken up09:25
pdanekI didn't try.09:25
mekluhmm, that may have happened a couple of times, but I'm not sure09:25
pdanekI have some Android apps there though.09:26
mekluI've had some almost-pocket-calling situations09:26
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pdanekLike Skype, which somehow runs in the background, because even if app is shutted down, it starts ringing sometimes.09:26
ggabrieladmittedly, i haven't used android09:26
ggabrieli installed it once and then uninstalled it09:26
Temepdanek: seriously?09:26
pdanekYes.09:27
Temeapp closed = status offline - and if you're offline you can't be called ?09:27
pdanekThe app cover is closed.09:27
pdanekMaybe the Skype itself isn't.09:27
Temehmm09:27
mekluandroid applications can have 'background tasks', i.e. daemons09:27
Temei don't want to show up as online by accident :(09:28
pdanekMy parents say I'm online all the time on Skype.09:28
pdanekSo it must be because of phone.09:28
mekluif you close the steam app cover, steam will still be running09:28
mekluand you need to shut it down from the menu09:28
meklufrom within the application itself09:28
Temehmm, as far as i can tell Skype doesn't have an "exit"-button or similar09:29
Aardiirc it's somewhere in the menu09:29
Temejust the back-button or closing the app cover09:29
TemeAard: there's sign out, but no exit09:29
Temei don't think they are the same09:29
Aardsign out should solve your problem09:29
Temebut it would create a new one, i'd have to sign in every time09:30
tadzikI don't think those background tasks work09:30
Temenobody ever mentioned any inconsistency with my Skype status09:30
tadzikI tried out telegram for a while, and messages didn't arrive when I closed the app09:30
Temecould it be because i set "offline" on desktop every time i leave home?09:30
Tememaybe forced offline status is different09:31
AardTeme: seems to be a commonly asked question on android http://community.skype.com/t5/Android/How-do-I-exit-shut-down-Skype/td-p/9690/page/409:31
Temethan simply sleeping your pc09:31
Temewell, i'm not having any issues with my method anyway :)09:32
Temejust semi-interested how that works as i doubt there is a publicly open spec for that09:32
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Nicd-tmynttin: nice!10:00
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Nicd-so the younited app is an android one10:06
Nicd-*sigh*10:06
Nicd-pretty much makes it unusable for sharing photos10:06
Nicd-unless update 9 has a fix for alien dalvik not seeing all photos10:07
tmynttinOh, I thought it was going to be native10:15
tmynttinWhere does it say it's android?10:15
faenilNicd-: I asked for an official statement, let's see what they say10:17
faeniltmynttin: it's always been known, but anyway.... https://twitter.com/CloudTimo/status/51688834432080281610:18
Nicd-tmynttin: in the replies to the twitter post you linked10:18
tmynttinmeh10:18
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Nicd-anyway, as android apps don't see new photos until you reboot the phone (or do some magic I don't know about), the f-secure app is going to be pretty useless10:18
Nicd-unless jolla fixes this in u910:19
tmynttini'd expect them to take care of that10:21
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tmynttinas you say, no point in cloud app without access to your files :P10:22
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Nicd-there was no mention of it in the u9 notes10:22
Nicd-so I'm not keeping my hopes up10:22
tmynttinkk10:23
tmynttinwell, i was really excited about the first "professional" native app for.sailfish, but guess i'll have to wait for a bit longer :/10:24
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dr_gogeta86hi faenil10:28
dr_gogeta86guys10:28
faenildr_gogeta86: o/10:28
dr_gogeta86tunnitunelli strikes again 3 wifi with captive portal10:28
dr_gogeta86all bypassed10:28
dr_gogeta86i need to write an app asap10:29
faenilNicd-: are you sure you don't see the new pics? I was thinking the same10:29
dr_gogeta86script is not friendly enaugh10:29
faenilbut they've actually moved to a new section10:29
faenilwhich is at the end of the gallery10:29
faenila section named, like, "4763"10:29
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faenilwhich is at the end of the android gallery10:29
faenildr_gogeta86: good stuff10:30
dr_gogeta86i need to implement ipcalc in qt10:30
dr_gogeta86and say it to connman10:31
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Nicd-faenil: it seems they have fixed it, I can see new photos when I open the gallery from android opera10:34
Nicd-that's really good10:34
tbr-foodr_gogeta86: what are you using to tunnel?10:36
faenilNicd-: I think it's always been like that10:36
faenilit's just bugged in the way that it puts them under the wrong section10:36
Nicd-faenil: I can see them in my "Camera" section, there are numbered sections but they have old photos10:36
faenilmaybe Aard can tell us if this is fixed in update9?10:36
Nicd-earlier I could not see them in any section10:36
faenilNicd-: if I open whatsapp, go to Attach-->Gallery ---> All pictures10:38
faenilI have many sections "Sept, Aug, July" etc...and the latest pics are in section "4713", no month10:38
faeniland it's like that since the bug has been "featured" in update6 or something10:38
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faenilyeah, it's like that since June, update6 must have added the bug10:39
Nicd-I have "Camera" with ~130 photos and the newest photo. then I have "Photos" or "Pictures" (don't remember which) with ~365 photos and not the newest one (some are duplicates from "Camera")10:39
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Nicd-then I have numbered sections with a random number of photos10:39
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pdanektadzik: those background tasks must work10:40
pdanekhow else would people repetitively call me on Skype, while Skype app is closed10:40
faenilor maybe it was update8 which added the bug...I have pics from early July in "July" section10:40
faenilafter that, nothing, only numbered sections10:41
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dr_gogeta86faenil, i got serius problem with brfs10:44
dr_gogeta862Gb free with 6gb of fs occupation10:45
faenildr_gogeta86: I'm leaving, ttyl10:45
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tadzikpdanek: well, maybe telegram itself is screwed11:14
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Sail0rany update news or official postbone statement? :)11:48
tadzikaargh11:48
oh8gnzfor update?11:48
Stskeepsthe bash... patches... won't... stop.... coming11:48
* oh8gnz is yelling: "Where is my update?" :D11:49
tadzikI hope you guys don't play Valve games11:49
Sail0rhehe11:49
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Sail0rwell they have a official valve time document :P11:50
Sail0rhttps://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time11:50
Sail0rmaybe you need to post that on together ;)11:50
tbrto add some to the bash context https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/bash/11:50
tbrlatest changes today11:50
tadzikzsh missed a marketing opportunity with this one11:50
ggabrieli'm pretty pleased that my fw runs ksh....11:51
Stskeepsalso anything gets slowed down: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/51688110944840089611:51
Stskeeps:P11:51
Nightmare__everybody is working on the update in the same room? :D11:52
oh8gnzmy home fw runs busybox11:52
tadzikthey're all patching bash11:52
Sail0rlol11:53
Stskeepswhat tadzik said11:53
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mekluthey're clearly all rewriting bash from scratch in QML11:57
mekluduh11:57
Stskeepsexcellent idea11:58
meklusomeone should call their shell scratsh11:58
w00t'gash'? :)11:58
gexcsailfissh11:58
Sail0rseashell11:58
oh8gnzseash11:59
tadziksheesh11:59
tadzikin light of recent events: maybe "patsh"11:59
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claunow, if someone would want to produce an adrenaline rush in all the people active in this channel, that someone should just say "update is here!"12:09
oh8gnzor just say.. "Update comes in few days, stay tuned!"12:10
oh8gnzand big hype around it12:10
AL13N_worktbr: afaih, bash upstream should be working on the extra bash security fixes12:10
Nicd-clau: don't play with fire12:10
AL13N_work(i mean, next to the 2 CVE's)12:10
tbrAL13N_work: yes, that's well known12:10
AL13N_worktbr: i would hope the update for jolla waits until the bash issue is completely fixed12:11
AL13N_worki know this opinion doesn't make me popular... but i don't care12:11
tbrAL13N_work: unless they are planning to follow up with hot fixes, yeah12:11
clauthere's something I don't quite get... bash update might break something, yes. but nss is supposed to be a minor fix, isn't it?12:12
clauno API changes, nothing fancy12:12
clauno need to rebuild stuff, even12:12
AL13N_worktbr: for work, i've been following closely, and i've seen the mess the distro's have made of it12:12
AL13N_workif only it would've been kept silent for a little while longer12:13
AL13N_worka big chunk of the mess could've been avoided12:13
clauas about bash... I'd rather get the main update as it is now, and security fixes when needed12:13
tbrsome of the things only bubbled up though because people started looking12:13
clauI do hope security fixes will come out of band in the future too12:13
AL13N_worktbr: true, but i think those would've come to the light after the initial release of upstream12:14
AL13N_worktbr: maybe it could be interesting to group system command updates in a "app update" rather than system update?12:15
AL13N_worklike call the app "Jolla Security" :-)12:15
AL13N_workand have it update some stuff from mer or something12:15
tbrthat sounds wrong on many levels12:15
AL13N_workmyeah, i know12:16
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birdzhangno update :-(12:42
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Nicd-birdzhang: because of that line the update has been delayed for a day12:43
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tadzikthanks, birdzhang12:45
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birdzhangtadzik: you should tkank Nicd :-)12:54
birdzhangthank12:55
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gexcwould there be two updates in October then?13:03
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tadzikdepends on how many new bash exploits can they find13:05
gexcer...13:05
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Sail0rhttps://twitter.com/GetYounited/status/51448718168845107314:02
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Sail0rhttps://twitter.com/CloudTimo/status/51658248506572800114:04
clauas I understand, it'll be an android app? :\14:05
tadziku wot m814:06
tadzikthat seems so stupid14:06
clauyeah, I think I'll skip this one14:06
Sail0rWhy would the release an android app that wouldn't make much sense14:10
Sail0rand wouldn't have taken so long time14:10
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faenilwe've always knwn that, I just hoped they'd change their mind :/14:12
claujust noticed this: http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-accessories/insmat-screen-protector.html14:13
Sail0rwell another reason not to have younited ^^14:14
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clauis this insmat screen protector good? does it cover the entire glass?14:14
NavOn the subject of cloudy sync things.... Anyone played with davfs2?14:15
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HarhaanJohtajano update today14:27
HarhaanJohtajahttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/51695329688894259214:27
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clauI can feel the pain. No comment. At all.15:15
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clauand it's probably birdzhang's fault.15:18
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Nicd-told you it gets delayed every time someone asks for it15:19
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coderusi have no idea what is yonited and i dont care android app or not :D15:25
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faenilcoderus: it's fsecure's cloud "secure" platform15:27
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Nicd-basically google drive / onedrive but by fsecure15:30
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topi`what happened? My jolla started flashing a red led, approx 4 times per second, it looks like some error code16:14
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topi`I tried to click "Settings", screen went blank and started flashing red led16:14
topi`is this a regular occurrence for the latest release?16:15
Nicd-no16:15
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Nicd-did the screen come back on?16:15
topi`first time I've seen this16:15
topi`nope. I had to reboot16:15
Nicd-that's not nice16:15
topi`I pressed down the power, and waited 8 seconds, so it shut down16:15
Nicd-usually screen shutting down and led flashing means lipstick (the UI) crashed16:15
topi`it just looks like the flashing RED led is some kind of error code16:15
Nicd-it is16:16
spiirointopi`: rapid red blinking = lipstick is unresponsive while display is being powered off16:16
topi`ok. But I waited for a while and it didn't seem to recover16:16
spiirointhe lipstick process probably hanged; if it would have crashed and restarted -> recovers then16:17
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topi`maybe the Adreno 3D drivers are still buggy16:28
topi`I have one Android game (probably GLES2.0) that always crashes the whole machine after 3 minutes16:29
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coderusfaenil: ah, just cloud...17:10
coderusi'm not using clouds on my mobile :)17:10
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faenilcoderus: not even contacts?17:12
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SK_workwindows 1017:14
SK_workyay17:14
faenilyeah ahah17:14
SK_workbecause 9 was too close to 8/8.1 that was a total failure17:14
SK_workgood that my office computer might get some speed from 8 and still look like a decent windows 717:14
SK_workanyway17:14
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Morpog_PCwindows 10, lol they can't count anymore at microsoft :D17:20
Nicd-uitukka should be numbered update 1017:21
raa700should it be 8.2?17:21
Morpog_PCat least windows 9, 8.2 would be more correct in terms of features, it looks like a giant servicepack17:21
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SK_workMorpog_PC: thunderbird went from 4 to 30 too17:22
Morpog_PC:D17:22
* cb400f tries to remember the projects which skipped uneven numbers cuz they were devel versions... gnome?17:23
cb400fgnome2 that is.. not sure if gnome3 still follows that scheme17:23
Stskeepscb400f: linux used to?17:24
coderusfaenil: yes17:24
Nightmare__winamp2-> winamp 3-> winamp5 (2+3) :D17:24
Morpog_PCyeah winamp5 was also strange back then :D17:24
raa700well, winamp 3 was POS17:24
cb400fStskeeps: ah, true.. scary that I can't remember back past linux 3.x ;-)17:25
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* Morpog_PC downloads Nokia Here maps for his Jolla :D17:26
Nightmare__?17:26
Morpog_PCleaked APK17:26
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Sail0rnice17:27
Morpog_PChttp://www.androidpolice.com/2014/09/29/nokias-here-maps-for-android-beta-apk-leaked-works-fine-on-non-samsung-hardware/17:27
cb400fthe maps are still part of "old" Nokia, and not MS, right?17:28
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Morpog_PCyes17:28
Morpog_PCthey even stopped developing WP apps17:28
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Morpog_PCconcentrate on iOS and Android17:29
cb400fguess the maps were the strongest selling point for the Lumias, so now they don't even have that as a differentiator ;-)17:30
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cb400fmaybe if paid apps support is coming to Jolla Market soon, Nokia Here .apk could be offered for sale17:31
cb400fofficially and legally of course17:32
Morpog_PCor just buy it from amazon store or play store17:32
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Morpog_PCNokia Drive was the thing I missed most from my N9 and N8 on my Jolla17:33
cb400fah, if it's available there.. the link said something about "licensed partners only".. so I thought it would be vendor specific stuff17:33
Morpog_PCcb400f, well for now it seems Samsung exclusive, but I guess that won't be forever17:33
faenilMorpog_PC: they didn't stop devving WP app, they just said that now they'll give the same importance to WP/Android/iOS, which is quite different :P17:36
javispedroyes, it's just marketing-speak for "we stopped" :)17:37
Stskeepsis it just me or are they totally ditching touch-y windows?17:37
faenilkind of, yeah17:37
Stskeepswow.17:37
Stskeepsand when i thought microsoft had it right17:37
javispedromeh17:37
Morpog_PCStskeeps, no, just for desktops where it was always dumb17:37
faeniljavispedro: you think msft would let that happen? come on ;)17:37
javispedroI was using win8 mostly for the tablet mode either way :)17:37
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Morpog_PCmodern ui apps now run in windows on desktop :)17:39
Morpog_PCthat sounds so owrong, lol17:39
javispedro"so, guys, were you complaining about win8 being a two-head monster?"17:39
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javispedrohere's more multiple personality disorder for you!17:39
javispedrotwo start menus!17:39
javispedrotwo alt+tab screens!17:39
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faenilhahaah17:40
AL13N?17:40
AL13N2 start menu's?17:40
Morpog_PCone for tablets17:41
javispedroyep, the "touch mode", which looks like the win8 start menu except with the "my documents" icons and so on17:41
Morpog_PClike win817:41
javispedroand the "mosue mode" one which looks like win95 except with some win8 tiles17:41
Morpog_PC:D17:41
Morpog_PChttp://live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-9-event-live-blog/17:42
javispedrohey, at least you can now ctrl+v on the terminal emulator17:42
AL13Noh, that's nice, i can just resume where i left off17:42
AL13Nwin95 (win.com) from dos17:42
javispedrothat's something gnome-/mate-terminal still refuses to do, probably because emacs uses that keybinding for something...17:42
AL13Ni'm kidding my last windows wasn't 9517:43
AL13Nit was win98se17:43
AL13Nor me, if you count that17:43
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javispedroI have to say that it's not bad17:44
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javispedro(for a free upgrade that is)17:45
javispedronot worth the fanfare17:45
Morpog_PConly for win 8 users it will be free i heard17:45
javispedromeh, MS doesn't make money on upgrades either way, they just want to avoid people downgrading so that they can push the store17:45
javispedrothey can probably be first to do the "docked phone" = "desktop win" idea17:47
Morpog_PCyep17:47
Morpog_PCstill, I hate the UX of Mordern UI17:47
Morpog_PCso much waste of space17:47
javispedroi like the no-frills approach17:48
Stskeepsso, sailfish desktop next/17:48
Stskeeps:P17:48
Morpog_PCgo for it!17:48
javispedrowhy do you think I'm pushing xwayland for =)17:48
M4rtinKto get OpenOffice & GTK2, right ? :)17:49
javispedropossibly17:49
Morpog_PCtask view button on taskbar.......... meh, as if alt-tab and win+tab wasn't enough17:49
M4rtinKalso the Java toolkits are AFAIK still X-only17:49
javispedromate window manager crashes trying to do $SOMETHING_SEEMINGLY_USELESS, otherwise I'd have already posted screenshots :)17:49
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javispedroM4rtinK, note that doing anything else other than running openoffice inside Xephyr-style window on a X11 wm is probably going to require non-trivial work17:53
Morpog_PCQ: You mentioned screens ranging from 4 inches to 80 inches. Is Windows 10 the next version of the phone operating system too?17:54
Morpog_PCA: Yes.17:54
javispedroI don't want to be the one extending lipstick to handle menus and other popus17:54
javispedroprefer to leave that to "sailfish desktop" gurus *cough cough*17:54
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javispedro"there are [...] pacemakers running Windows"17:56
javispedrothere's a nightmarish though for tonight17:56
javispedro*thought17:57
M4rtinKjavispedro: the most interesting thing for me would be working Py/Gtk :)17:57
M4rtinKjavispedro: so that the modRana GTK GUI can be used on Jolla17:58
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M4rtinKjavispedro: for the ultimate retro computing experience + I guess some might even prefer it to the "modern" QtQuick 2.0 based one :)17:59
javispedrodid you use gtk in modrana? :P17:59
M4rtinKthe original interface is GTK217:59
M4rtinKnot really GTK widgets though - only some dialogs - the rest is custom drawn with Cairo :)18:00
M4rtinKthen there is the semi-abandoned QtQuick 1 version and the current QtQuick 2.0 interface, all running with the same core18:01
javispedroif you are entirely custom-drawn you may consider SDL+cairo or similar18:01
javispedro"Q: Now it's Windows 10, will we see future versions named after big cats?" :)18:02
M4rtinKjavispedro: yeah, that might not be that difficult to do actually18:03
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M4rtinKjavispedro: but I rather like how I don't have do everything myself in QtQuick & still want to maintain the GTK2 interface mainly for N900 users18:04
M4rtinKjavispedro: so I'd like to "baseline" on the GTK one & QtQuick 2.0 one, but of course if someone else is interested in a different UI - patches welcome! :)18:05
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M4rtinKjavispedro: the GUI is an independent module, so stuff like different QtQuick UIs with different style and design philosophy are possible18:06
Tegujavispedro: haha, was just about to paste that as well :D Windows X18:06
M4rtinKor a WebUI, SDL UI, Tk, WxWidgets, TUI, etc. :)18:06
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M4rtinK</modrana_project_advertising> :)18:07
javispedroWebUI and python? ha!18:07
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M4rtinKwell, won't be that difficult I think18:08
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M4rtinKeven something just cobled together with SimpleHTTPServer18:08
* javispedro coughs18:09
M4rtinKstart/stop tracklog, show current coords, simple slippy map, etc.18:09
M4rtinKmight be interesting with some sort of reverse SSH tunnel18:09
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javispedrosomehow I always think that "webapps" which consist of native code plus a web server plus a web browser designed to be run on the same host are the worst18:10
javispedrobecause of the worse is better rule this means that in the future it will be the only kind of program18:10
M4rtinKyeah, sometimes it is pretty horrible :)18:10
M4rtinKbut sometimes better than nothing18:11
M4rtinKon the other hand over network it makes more sense18:11
giucamjavispedro: did you port xeyes already? :P18:13
giucamthat's the only X thing i may want on my phone :P18:13
javispedrono, there's no touch yet18:13
M4rtinKaccelerometer ?18:13
M4rtinKXEyes for the 21. century!18:14
javispedrothere you have an idea for a qml app18:14
M4rtinKor compas18:14
Sail0rit's really a little shitstorm already https://together.jolla.com/question/11137/when-will-a-younited-app-be-available-for-jolla/18:14
javispedrowtf is younited18:14
stephgthe f-secure cloud thingy18:15
javispedroah, "secure" and "cloud" in the same sentence, how efficient...18:15
stephg:)18:15
M4rtinKvery secure much cloud wow18:16
M4rtinKI got into argument with them on Twitter when the partnership was announced18:16
Sail0rit's much more secure now18:17
Sail0rbecause the android part does not see all files ^18:17
javispedro?18:17
M4rtinKas I've pointed out that even if they are marginally better by encrypting data at rest (at least they claim that)18:17
Nightmare__an andoird app? really? Ò_ó18:17
M4rtinKit is still not end-to-end and therefore useless :)18:17
Sail0rAccording to this tweet:18:18
Sail0rhttps://twitter.com/CloudTimo/status/51658248506572800118:18
Sail0rit'll be in the store this week. However, Timo Laaksonen also says it'll be an Android application, not a native Sailfish one.18:18
M4rtinKsometimes you wonder what they are doing in these companies18:18
M4rtinKif they are not able to code something like this in about 8 months18:18
javispedroM4rtinK, besides even if they were claiming to encrypt data end to end it's still a propietary protocol/program (unverifiable) which can silently self auto-update (when the NSA letter comes in)18:19
M4rtinKor why they did not release that app earlier18:19
* Stskeeps doesn't, personally, believe in the cloud except for storing encrypted blobs in.18:19
Sail0rbecause they had to get rid of the google stuff in it`^18:19
M4rtinKjavispedro: sure if I say end-to-end I it of course needs to be verifiable end-to-end encryption18:20
javispedroI just don't get why all the twitter fuss then18:20
javispedrodid steve jobs help advertise it?18:20
Sail0r?18:20
M4rtinKso either just a !blob goes here" or open client18:20
M4rtinK*"blob goes here API"18:21
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javispedroSail0r, I mean, there is no fuss for missing iCloud, OneDrive, Dropbox etc clients, so why is younited special? :)18:21
M4rtinKnational pride or something ?18:21
Sail0rbecause Jolla advertised a partnership with younited18:21
Sail0rin the üast18:21
javispedroah.18:21
Sail0r*past18:21
* javispedro rolls eyes18:22
M4rtinKBTW, I was kinda surprised F-Secure still exists18:22
Sail0rand now everyone is pissed like with the angry bird thing18:22
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Sail0rhttp://blog.younited.com/2014/02/20/announcing-younited-for-jolla/18:22
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M4rtinKI remember getting their anti-virus software bundled with a Win 98 running Pentium 150 MHz :)18:22
Sail0rhttp://www.jollausers.com/2014/02/press-release-jolla-and-f-secure-join-forces-to-offer-younited-the-trusted-cloud-service-to-jolla-users/18:23
M4rtinKthere was some unreleased roller coaster game for the N900, right ? :)18:23
Sail0rthat's why so many people are pissed at the moment18:23
M4rtinKand some face recognition thing and Android emulator18:23
* javispedro misread that URL as "jolla forces younited the trusted cloud service to jolla users"18:23
Sail0rbecause it's the third "partnership" which did never get an app or smth18:23
Sail0rhehe18:24
M4rtinKwell, I would say - one just needs not to bother around closed projects18:24
javispedroI read on the PR that the deal was about 5GB of free storage18:24
M4rtinKfailed oss project can still be picked up, but why bother with failed closed stuff ? if it fails, it is lost forever18:24
M4rtinKwell I have a 64 GB uSD card in my Jolla :)18:25
javispedromeh, I remember the "Nokia and EA" deals for the N918:25
javispedroand the N900, and the ..18:25
M4rtinKand shitty mobile Internet tarifs prevent serious "cloud" usage anyway, even if it made sense18:26
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Sail0rwell i use my owncloud which works good with cargodock18:28
javispedroah, now I get it18:28
Sail0rno automatic sync but at least i can fast upload images18:28
javispedroyounited seems finish stuff18:28
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javispedroand thus the jolla partnership18:29
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Sail0rlike rovio18:29
Sail0rhttp://www.jollausers.com/2014/02/press-release-jolla-to-partner-with-rovios-angry-birds-and-makia-to-create-exclusive-brand-experiences-with-the-unique-the-other-half-smart-covers/18:29
Sail0rwhich came not out18:30
javispedromeh18:30
javispedroanyone knows of any finnish keyboard manufacturer? :)18:30
javispedromaybe we can them to arrange a "partnership" :)18:30
Sail0rah makia was the fashion brand18:30
Sail0rlol18:30
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javispedroI still want that keyboard toh, preferably in Cyan.18:31
javispedroin any case it's not true an "android app" cannot see all of your device18:32
javispedroin fact it probably can see more than a native jolla app..18:32
Sail0rsure? I had the problem when it did not see everything18:32
javispedro(because it is assumed android apps are protected with the usual android permission system I guess)18:32
Sail0rbut it was some releases ago18:32
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javispedroprobably only looking in standard android paths or something like that18:32
javispedroone would guess the halfyear they spent porting the android app on jolla would be spent on qa'ing these details.18:33
javispedrothough I'm right now using a >$5000 program from a major software company which contains a typo in the main window menubar, so, who knows.18:34
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Sail0rhehe reminds me of F518:34
Sail0ryeah, 8k per loadbalancer to have a quagga startscript :x18:35
Sail0rok it's a stripped down version of zebos sorry18:35
Sail0r^^18:35
Morpog_PCwtf here maps even has offline maps :D18:35
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javispedroyaeh, <pessimist> another jolla partnership </pessimist>18:35
javispedroMorpog_PC, does the android version run OK?18:36
Morpog_PCruns great18:36
Sail0rmaybe Jolla should search for partnerships which are not from finnland ^^18:36
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Morpog_PCjust it seems to not like my old Nokia account :)18:37
javispedromeh, Heremaps and the palmOS emulator might convince me to install aliendalvik18:37
Morpog_PCi can login with it on here.com, but not in the app18:37
Sail0rmaybe someone will port CM11 to Jolla ^^18:37
Morpog_PCnaaah18:37
Morpog_PCpure AOSP would be better18:37
javispedroone might argue Jolla is CM10 *cough*18:37
r0kk3rzCM on Jolla18:39
r0kk3rzlol18:39
r0kk3rzeasier to just get a one plus one i think18:39
Sail0rlol18:39
Morpog_PCand then use Jolla Launcher :D18:39
Sail0rhehe and you can use all partner apps18:40
Sail0rangry birds, younited18:40
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* javispedro 'd prefer jumping out of the window18:40
Sail0rnow we get the greater plan of this18:40
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Sail0rsailfishos transforms to pure android18:40
Sail0rwith launcher18:40
Sail0rxD18:40
r0kk3rzlol18:41
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r0kk3rzor, can just run sailfishos18:41
javispedroI just hope that never happens, though I think there's a real chance of it happening18:42
javispedroe.g.18:42
Stskeepsno18:42
Stskeeps:P18:42
javispedrook.18:42
javispedrogood to know :)18:42
r0kk3rzCM might write a silica app compatibillity layer18:43
Morpog_PCloool18:43
javispedroit's called qt for android.18:43
r0kk3rzbecause we have all the cool apps18:43
javispedromy fear was that some beancounter (no offense) would realize that qt for android works "well enough" and try to put two and two together18:44
javispedroat some point I run out of arguments to throw against such reasoning.18:44
javispedro(despite the fact that obviously I DON'T want that to happen)18:45
M4rtinKBTW, I'm pretty close to getting PyOtherSide to run on Android :)18:45
M4rtinKstill segfaults if you try to actually use it though :P18:46
r0kk3rzqt for android would help make the case for sailfish app development18:46
r0kk3rzuse QT because its awesome, and publish cross platform18:46
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M4rtinKalso applies to BB1018:47
M4rtinKshould be easier these days due to qtquick controls improvements18:48
r0kk3rzyeah18:48
r0kk3rzbut how much longer is BB going to be around?18:48
r0kk3rzif their brickphone doesnt sell very well. then thats probably going to be it for BB as a device manufacturer18:48
javispedroI think they'll chump fine for a while18:49
HarhaanJohtajanext triangle phone18:49
javispedrothey have a hardcore fan base that is still larger than jolla maemo combined18:49
sqozzcross platform is so much easier to say than to realise.. what about the different control concepts of android and sailfish?18:49
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r0kk3rzjavispedro: yes but BB is also a big company18:50
r0kk3rzwhich needs big sales, Jolla not so much18:51
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sqozzthe same thing said everyone before the release of BB10.. and look what is now - they still alive18:51
r0kk3rzthey are, but they are also getting ready to dump their device manufacturer division and try and make it as an IBM of the world18:52
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sqozzi think RIM is still some time around us.. even if not, microsoft will buy them, as they did with nokia18:53
javispedrothat would make my funnymeter explode18:54
javispedro...though it even seems likely by now...18:54
javispedrod'oh!18:55
javispedroanother blank notification on my metawatch, though I had fixed them by now.18:55
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Sail0rlook at the pebbled code of smokku18:56
Sail0rthey got rid of them18:56
javispedrono, this is a bluetooth problem18:56
Sail0rah k18:56
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sqozzmine not so much… the technology of RIM with managing devices from one central "self" controlled server and the technology from microsoft with the whole office stuff in one device whould kick apple and google so far out of this whole "bussiness" bussiness18:56
sqozzs/whould/would18:57
javispedromaybe19:01
javispedrothe "whole office stuff in one device" is something MS most definitely does not have19:01
javispedroin fact (and this is not new) even Google has more format compatibility than MS's "mobile" office suites19:02
Nightmare__or MS buys just another Company after its peak19:02
javispedrojust like the 90s..19:02
Stskeepsinteresting, android advises all private and anonymous mappings can be potential samepage merges19:02
javispedrowtf19:02
javispedrodo they run ksm even without that madvise hint?19:03
javispedroshould try on my desktop..19:03
Stskeepswell, https://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+/553a5ec/libc/bionic/mmap.c19:03
javispedroholy.19:04
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javispedroa quick meminfo on my desktop tells me around 30% of my pages are private anonymous19:06
javispedrohttps://code.google.com/p/android-source-browsing/source/diff?spec=svn.platform--bionic.635df850e5037be5093f64a87ec2e0a23bf7a50b&repo=platform--bionic&r=635df850e5037be5093f64a87ec2e0a23bf7a50b&format=side&path=/libc/bionic/mmap.c19:07
javispedro?19:07
javispedrooh, it's older19:07
Stskeepsoh, they removed it?19:08
javispedroand then readded it 5 months later19:08
Stskeepscurious19:08
Stskeepsheh19:08
javispedro35df850e5037be5093f64a87ec2e0a23bf7a50b&format=sid19:08
javispedro35df850e5037be5093f64a87ec2e0a23bf7a50b&format=sid19:08
javispedrod'oh!19:09
javispedrohttps://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+log/HEAD/libc/bionic/mmap.c19:09
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javispedroignore the hashes19:09
javispedroit's kind of an interesting idea19:10
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* Stskeeps tries out zram..19:16
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javispedrowell, gtg, cya and good luck!19:20
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javispedromaybe one will be able to run sailfish on the n900 with ksm and zram and .. ! :)19:20
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M4rtinKzram is nice :)20:18
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M4rtinK(as I'm sure I've already reported once or twice) we added it recently to the Fedora installer environment20:19
M4rtinKto lower minimal RAM requirements for network installation20:19
M4rtinKpreviously it was barely working with 512 MB20:20
M4rtinKnow it works fine with 320 :)20:20
M4rtinKand before someone says "so much ?!!" keep in mind that it accounts for all repo metadata, all the stuff needed for the graphical interface, localization and all required backend libraries20:21
M4rtinKsure, just dumping a tar on disk or even dding an image to a block device directly would require much less resources, but you loose any flexibility :)20:22
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Morpog_PCso does it speedup my Jolla or help with more free ram?20:28
Shinryuuzram works well.. I just use the default settings with it20:33
Shinryuualso I made some tests with that fps thing20:33
M4rtinKI think the main benefit should be that real swap gets used later20:38
M4rtinKso you should be able to run more apps before the phone start lagging20:39
M4rtinK*starts20:39
M4rtinKanother benefit might be increased durability of eMMC20:40
M4rtinKdue to fewer writes due swapping20:40
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Morpog_PCi'm not worried at all about flash wearing out20:45
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stephgM4rtinK: also using it on my jolla for a couple of weeks; no complaints20:50
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M4rtinKI'm thinking about also trying it out :)20:56
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M4rtinKStskeeps is already playing with it, so it is almost certain :)21:23
M4rtinKBTW, the N9 uses the zram predecessor21:23
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javispedroStskeeps: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/2/19/68 patch to enable ksm unconditionally on all pages22:29
javispedroksm doesn't run on file-backed pages either way, so net result should be similar to android's libc hack22:30
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javispedroalternatively, https://github.com/RealEnder/KSM-tools/blob/master/README22:30
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