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* eson is checking out the channel06:20
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tadzikhello eson06:27
Stskeepsmoo06:28
esonhi tadzik06:28
eson...and Stskeeps06:29
TimoMorning.06:29
esonmorning Timo06:30
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* eson_mobile checking out the app to...06:45
esonIs it "IRC for Sailfish", that counts or is there more apps?06:49
tadzikthe one with the orange logo is the good one :P06:52
tadzikI don't know if there are others06:52
tadzikI usually just ssh to a server06:52
eson_mobileseems like this one  :)06:52
TimoBut the terminal keyboard is a no go tadzik.06:52
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TimoAt least for 'normal' typing.06:53
esonthink I have to learn this06:53
tadzikI find a virtual keyboard a no go for any kind of typing, to be honest06:53
TimoThat is absolutely true, but of those two VKBs I prefer the default Jolla one. Still, the N900 was better for IRC. ;)06:55
tadzikagreed on both points :)06:55
Bysmyyrweechat + glowing bear is nice combo for irc06:55
Nicd-there will soon be another IRC app! ;) though it's a WeeChat remote UI06:57
esonweechat + glowing bear?06:57
Nicd-http://i.imgur.com/lSjzEJZ.png -- teaser :)06:58
esonI'm actually a Windows guy with an history on direct connect, who is trying hard to leave windows behind06:58
Nicd-eson: weechat is an IRC client, glowing bear is a web UI for it06:58
esonthanks06:58
Bysmyyrand also: if you change to use glowing bear it is easy to change that native client when it works06:59
esonas I said... I have things to learn  ;)06:59
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tadzikNicd-: oh, that's awesome :)07:03
tadzikI hope it can filter out leaves/joins, just as my weechat does :)07:03
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inzTimo, I find myself to type faster with the terminal vkb over the OS one07:04
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Bysmyyrinz: and more typos?07:05
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inzBysmyyr, haven't noticed any significant difference07:07
inzThen again, I never use suggestions07:07
Bysmyyrinz: ok, I make them much more, atleast missing spaces07:07
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Timoinz: I usually type just that one character next to the character I actually want in the terminal.07:20
inzTimo, buy smaller fingers from biltema07:22
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TimoLol.07:24
esonhave you ever bought anything from biltema, you know it wont work  ;)07:25
inzeson, even their dog toy broke in a few weeks ;)07:25
esonI believe you07:26
TimoAh, I can understand little of the Swedish stuff written there. It looks a bit like Dutch actually.07:26
TimoSo, I'll remember this: Never buy something there if you want to use it >1 time. ;)07:27
inzActually, their el cheapo roof bars have held together quite nicely, little rust here and there though after only one year07:27
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TimoHmm, I should jump on my bike now and drive to school.07:28
TimoWell, see you guys.07:28
esonbye07:29
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Nicd-tadzik: it will be easy to implement with the message tags07:34
tadzikNicd-: well, I was thinking along the lines of the built-in smartfilter07:35
Nicd-tadzik: I already have a feature request for it: https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-weechatrelay/issue/1/message-styling-according-to-tags07:35
Nicd-tadzik: smartfilter adds a tag to the message07:35
Nicd-so it can be hidden or displayed differently in the relay client07:35
tadzikokay, cool :)07:35
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norayrokay, I've used syncevolution from console and was able to sync contacts with owncloud in slow mode. but after, in twoway it just replicated all my contacts on the server.08:05
norayri don't get what i did wrong08:05
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chem|stkimmoli: crazyflie 2.0 is on preorder if you need another toy with i2c uart etc10:11
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kimmolichem|st: i think my crowfund/preorder quota is full for this year...10:25
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chem|stmine too, _after_ ordering it...10:46
chem|stnext toy next year I just hope that Jolla2 won't be on pre-order this year^^)10:47
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ggabrielis this jolla2 thing troll or real? if latter, link? :)10:51
Nicd-it's not real10:51
chem|stit has up to 4 times the payload of the first one, maybe I need to get some other propellers but the motors are Kv=14K 4.2V 1A10:52
ggabrielthanks Nicd-10:52
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pdanekOpenSUSE 13.2, which will be released in 1 month, will most probably use default Wayland, default btrfs, default KDE Frameworks 5 and not yet sure if default Plasma 5, or just available for install.13:12
pdanekCool stuff.13:13
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SK_workpdanek: hum13:20
SK_workhow will it manage default wayland ?13:20
SK_workthat's an intersting queston$13:20
pdanekok13:21
pdanekwrong interpretation in arcticle13:21
pdanekanother article says: openSUSE 13.2 Milestone 0 Released with Btrfs as Default and Wayland 1.413:22
pdanekso perhaps not by default :)13:22
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fluxsk_work, it could manage with with xwayland I suppose14:45
fluxand with limited GPU support :)14:45
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oozboozanyone played with Nokia X/XL/X+/X2 phones? Oddly .. they run Android from the house of MS15:27
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TemeVms already announced phasing out that android, so I wouldn't invest my money on those15:51
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ToxipHello18:15
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sledgeshi18:17
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ToxipI can haz update? :D18:17
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Stskeepsno, now you postponed it another da18:18
Stskeepsy18:18
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sledges:))18:20
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TemeVI wonder if postponing is cumulative or is juts postponed until day after tomorrow18:22
Stskeepscumulative.18:22
TemeVoh, have to check logs then to count when it will be published18:23
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Nightmare__28.april.202818:36
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fluxfinally, after the long wait, the first of April, it will be announced that the upgrade will be available?18:47
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Sceltbadger? (not postponing the update)18:50
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* DrainBamaged waves to the sledges \o19:00
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Toxipor as blizzard would say soon(TM)19:09
Nicd-breaking news19:10
Nicd-update 9 will be released together with Half-Life 319:10
Toxip:D19:11
Yanielas a bundle?19:11
Stskeepsjolla, now with stea19:12
Stskeepsm?19:12
Toxipjolla is now a steamboat!19:12
Nicd-The Other Half Box. it will also contain Hurd and the name of Olof Palme's killer19:12
Yanielthe android client already works...19:13
ToxipThey also said that when they release younite in jolla store19:13
Toxipreleased*19:14
Toxip"why make a native app when android works on jolla?"19:14
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Yanielan android app after all that pr talk is a bad joke at best19:15
Toxipindeed19:15
Nicd-an android app with a description that mentions downloading it from the itunes store ;)19:15
Yaniellik... do you even try19:15
ToxipI think it says App store19:16
Nicd-Toxip: it says itunes store19:16
Nicd-and then talks about iphones and ipads19:16
Toxiplast time I checked it said app store19:16
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Toxip"transfer files between your computer, iphone, ipad, tablet, and other phones and devices for free"19:18
Yanielapp store app19:18
Toxipyeah19:18
Yanieland "download from itunes"19:18
Toxipstill it should say jolla store app at least19:18
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Toxipoh yeah there it says that...19:19
Toxipfail19:19
Toxipa slap in the face19:19
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ortylphas anybody noticed battery drain after last hotfix update?19:20
Yanielnot more than since starting to use mitakuuluu19:20
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ortylpmy Jolla dies about 18:00 where before the update it was running without problems till late evening19:23
Toxipeveryone should just use xmpp :P19:23
Nicd-but they don't19:24
Toxipyeah, it's a shame19:24
Toxippeople don't care about their privacy anymore19:24
Nicd-what does xmpp have to do with privacy?19:24
Nicd-it's just a protocol19:25
Yanielxmpp with otr would be more like it19:25
Toxipyou can use OTR with it?19:25
Yanielbut yeah if everyone could just use one sensible protocol, that would be awesom19:26
Toxipsure without OTR it's all the same19:26
Nicd-guess you could have OTR on top of whatsapp too19:26
Toxipwhatsapp is xmpp and so is facebook chat19:26
Toxipwell facebook is deprecating xmpp though19:26
Toxipin a year jolla facebook chat will stop working if they don't announce a replacing api for chat19:27
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Eztran'whatsapp is xmpp' - what's the point of using a protocol if you're not gonna be compatible with anyone else using it?19:27
ToxipI know...19:28
EztranI've ended up using almost nothing, personally - there's not much which overlaps between 'friends will actually adopt' and 'cares in the slightest about your privacy'.19:29
Timo"Few developers make me so angry as WhatsApp's ones. They just took XMPP, made a couple of changes so that it does not work with normal clients, forgot about any kind of security and call it a day. Their biggest idea is using phone numbers as identifiers and marketing their app as an SMS replacement instead of an internet chat. **** them."19:30
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EztranI can't say it any better, so +1 =)19:31
_inte_hello19:31
TimoBut apparently, making some kind of chat protocol without security whatsoever, can make you a big big player on the chat market.19:31
Toxip:D quite true19:31
_inte_all my calendars are gone and i dont know how to get them back19:31
_inte_i tried to revert to an earlier backup but that didnt help19:31
_inte_any ideas?19:31
EztranTimo: OOI, where was that quote from?19:31
Timohttp://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3146455&cid=4146921519:32
EztranCheers. Really does sum it up.19:32
ortylp+119:32
_inte_Timo: it eventually worked out19:32
_inte_they could have used any protocol but why would they19:33
_inte_the big deal was the phone number directory19:33
TimoThe whole point of not using a standard is making money out of it.19:33
_inte_thats an amzing idea19:33
TimoAnd hell, I'm using it too.19:33
Nicd-Timo: it's all about marketing. it's not their fault that nerds came up with a better system before them but never got it easy to use so others would actually adopt it ;)19:33
TimoTrue.19:34
_inte_well how would they make money using a standard then?19:34
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Nicd-well, marketing and usability19:34
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EztranIt's their fault they didn't give one about their users, though. Not that that stops anyone.19:34
_inte_xmpp was to complex, so to say, and even google dropped xmpp interconnections19:34
Toxipyep, that's very sad19:34
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Timo_inte_: They wouldn't make money out of it, and that's why they changed the protocol so that it didn't comply anymore.19:35
ToxipI hate google+19:35
_inte_plus it is, from the users pov, similar to skype but inferior in functionality19:35
_inte_Timo: so?19:35
_inte_I only wonder why noone ever came up with a kind of "open whatsapp", sth. like a voluntary phone number where you can register (through an app) and leave your contacts, like xmpp, tox, etc.19:36
_inte_so other users could look up your phone number and contact you through the contacts you left in the directory19:37
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_inte_wanted to say, sth like a voluntary phone number directory19:38
_inte_you register your phone number and leave your xmpp, skype, tox etc.19:38
_inte_your friend registers his19:38
_inte_and gets your skype, tox, etc.19:39
Toxipwhat's tox?19:39
_inte_tox.im19:39
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_inte_sth like skype but w/o NSA19:39
Eztranthough... the kind of users who care about the registration being a bit messy could be the same ones who jump on the first bandwagon going?19:39
_inte_I dont get you19:40
_inte_registration shouldn be messy19:40
_inte_could be done with an app19:40
_inte_which extracts your details (you grant) and registeres them19:40
EztranSure, I mean that the people who simplifying the registration matters to... don't care about what standards you use or whatever, they jump for the marketing.19:41
_inte_yeah19:41
_inte_are there standards for that kind of app at all?19:41
_inte_ldap?19:41
_inte_:)19:41
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_inte_thats an idea19:42
_inte_wanted to learn how to program anyways19:42
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_inte_so i will implement that next weekend19:43
EztranI'm not sure how some of these users registered an email account in places, XMPP is about that difficult =)19:43
_inte_probably, its even more difficult to register an xmpp account than using such an app19:44
_inte_starts with - which provider to use19:44
_inte_im with dukgo.com19:45
_inte_but i barely use it since i really dont know many people using xmpp19:45
Eztranemail is about as hard (which is to say, it isn't), and people manage that somehow... might be more the fact they've often heard of the email providers, which provides a kinda existing trust basis.19:45
_inte_i use xmpp to connect to google and facebook, though19:45
_inte_but this is not exactly the same :)19:45
EztranWith XMPP they're sorta on their own, unlikely to know who the providers are.19:46
_inte_i only know dukgo.com and jabber.sth19:46
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_inte_are there any other?19:46
EztranLoads =)19:46
_inte_i think so :)19:46
_inte_but, do they differ by any means?19:46
EztranNot really, no.19:47
_inte_ok... no worries then :)19:47
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_inte_people are barely using email nowadays since the future is facebook19:47
_inte_:)19:47
EztranWas just wondering if one reason XMPP's registration seems harder is that they don't know who provides it ( https://xmpp.net/directory.php is worth a look), while with email they've heard of Google, Yahoo, MS, their ISP, whoever...19:48
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Yanieland then there is the rebel faction using irc19:48
EztranFacebook... is a whole different problem =)19:48
_inte_Yaniel: what was irc again?19:48
_inte_:)19:48
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_inte_Eztran: i guess its all about using a provider which offers everything19:49
Yanielhush, we don't go into such details in public19:49
_inte_that was icq in the beginning19:49
_inte_since it was just a number19:50
_inte_then it was skype19:50
_inte_since it had video FIRST (and easy)19:50
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EztranMmm, same problem with social networks, messaging, etc... need that critical mass of users to snowball.19:50
_inte_now its rather gtalk19:50
_inte_because of gmail and android19:50
Sail0rwhatsapp :P19:50
_inte_and, sure, for mobile, its whatsapp19:51
_inte_bbm was quite popular in the bb world19:52
EztranThere's no overestimating the power of a default install. Heck, it even worked for IE.19:52
dunpis there nice bitcoin wallet for jolla?19:52
_inte_Eztran: jep19:53
Toxipdunp: no native wallet yet19:54
_inte_well the thing that i suggested19:54
_inte_directory19:54
_inte_wasnt there something with this enum stuff19:54
_inte_what ever happend to enum?19:54
_inte_i guess i even remember registering one of my phone numbers...19:54
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_inte_even though i dont remember which19:55
dunp:(19:55
_inte_ok enum is only telephony but quite similar to this new messaging service introduced by some mobile providers19:57
_inte_what was that called again19:57
_inte_RCSe19:58
_inte_well, i dont think RCSe is supported by jolla19:58
_inte_i dont mind, its not supported by my provider either :)19:58
_inte_propreitary rubbish19:58
EztranHmm. Hadn't heard of that one.19:59
_inte_in Germany its provided by Vodafone and Tmobile19:59
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_inte_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services19:59
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_inte_oh, and even O220:00
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_inte_well, im with eplus :)20:00
_inte_they dont even offer LTE in my area :)20:00
_inte_joyn20:01
_inte_whatever20:01
_inte_nothing that I (TM) need20:01
_inte_i stay with irc20:01
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Nicd-_inte_: here: ™20:07
Toxipthis tox looks pretty good :)20:09
_inte_Nicd-: is here not something like bing maps? SCNR20:10
Nicd-huh?20:10
_inte_But honestly, I thought here was about mapping in the first place20:11
_inte_if youre talking about Nokia here20:11
Nicd-no20:11
_inte_or Nokia HERE20:11
Nicd-I just gave you a ™20:11
Nicd-because it looked like you needed it20:11
_inte_for what?20:11
Nicd-< _inte_> nothing that I (TM) need20:11
_inte_My suggestion?20:11
Nicd-:D20:11
_inte_ah20:11
_inte_hehe20:11
_inte_yep thanks :)20:12
_inte_i guess HERE/Here/here is now available for Android20:12
_inte_did anybody try it on Jolla already?20:12
ToxipMapfactor is nice... OpenStreemap is better than here maps20:17
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Toxipmore detailed and also has more pedestrian routes20:18
Nicd-if you live in the city, that is20:19
Nicd-if you go outside the city area, there's nothing20:19
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chem|st_inte_: sorry to hear that you have no LTE yet, I live in the city that had the first fiber network put in the ground - we call it "dark-fiber" as it is there but unused for ages^^ BUT we are also one of the first to have E+ LTE coverage... and that is everything else but dark20:26
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chem|stdunp: with a large sdcard you can use bitcoind^^20:28
chem|stdunp: or even other cli wallets just no gui yet20:28
sharpneliDon't use bitcoind. It ruins battery life.20:29
sharpneliAlways use some lite wallet in a mobile device20:29
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dunpchem|st, hah.. too slow to run full db at phone.. electrum using python but interface..20:33
chem|stare there any android clients worth porting? apart of andreas schildbach's?20:34
dunphttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mycelium.wallet20:35
dunphttps://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet20:35
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chem|stoh that evolved since last time I checked, but still I will never use a bitcoin client on android20:37
chem|stat least not with more than 50eur worth of bitcoins and for that it is not useful yet20:37
sharpneliI find it funny that bitcoin is actually more tedious to use than the usual bank cards. You have to actually remember to transfer funds to the mobile wallet (bitcoin doesn't support same wallet in multiple machines really well)20:39
dunpsharpneli, i use same wallet on phone and desktop.. :D20:40
chem|stsharpneli: for that there is trezor, but jolla does not support usb-otg20:40
stephgevening20:40
chem|sto/20:41
stephgso I printed my first ToH today which is quite cool (but rough round the edges)20:41
sharpnelidunp: I think the issue was with generating new addresses or something like that20:41
stephgI need to do a bit of sanding20:41
stephgbut I *think* it's the first UV active one20:41
dunphave imported privkey to phone.. electrum generates lot of addresses from same seed20:41
chem|ststephg: grats, are you tinkering with HW as well?20:41
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dunphttps://electrum.org/20:42
stephgchem|st: no, I'm no kimmoli but small steps20:42
stephgthere's a shop around the corner from the office that'll basically do it for you while you wait20:42
stephg(or come back(20:42
stephggoing to go back tomorrow and play with the thickness, there were issues with it sticking to the plate/glass20:43
chem|stI do not have a 3d printer so I am limited to RasPi as it is too much of a hassle to maintain connectors on a jolla20:43
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chem|stI tried to fit Qi hardware beneath a standard toh, but it is just .5mm to thick20:44
kimmoliwut20:46
kimmolistephg: UV tracer on print?20:47
chem|stif someone is interested in something more mature, fit a Jolla to this http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39171__micro_integrated_pcb_w_escs_quadcopter_frame_235mm_kit_usa_warehouse_.html20:47
stephgdunno, I guess so, something in the plastic must be phosphorescent20:47
stephgit's pinkish in normal light, but I don't have a UV source to see if they were lying to me20:48
chem|ststephg: pinkish should get dark purple then20:48
kimmoliUV led-flashlight is handy20:49
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stephgchem|st: cool link. re: the colour, they were saying blue but who knows20:49
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kimmolitracers are typically blue'ish20:50
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kimmolibut now GN20:50
chem|ststephg: the thing is crap but a cheap start20:50
chem|stI have a white->pink'ish->purple->dark-purple frisbee20:51
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stephgnight kimmoli20:54
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P67Hi all22:21
P67I was tinkering around with the device lock, wondering what it did and how it works.. Though it seems i managed to permanently lock it out of order.. Got it in Recovery and mounted btrfs stuff...Anyone did this before?22:22
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P67Curious if there is any fix to it and what makes the device lock work. :)22:26
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