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Stskeepszzz06:49
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, not quiet07:15
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dr_gogeta86other than fixies ... there are other changes to sailfish browser ... seems more stable07:18
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tbrZOMG, haz update (was travelling yesterday)07:42
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mekluooh :o07:45
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Stskeepstbr: security yes07:48
tbrStskeeps: ah, just bash and things?07:49
Stskeepsnss and such yes07:49
tbr*nod*07:49
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SK_workhttps://twitter.com/qtproject/status/51939815346932940808:07
SK_workcool08:07
SK_workthanks, now we can have proper SSH +X support for Qt 5 apps08:07
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Fuzzzyhey, any jollahq people present?11:53
Nicd-hope they're hard at work on update 9 ;)11:54
FuzzzyI'm a bit puzzled on what happened to my jolla11:54
Nicd-what did happen then?11:55
Fuzzzyit put itself in lockmode and wont accept my code11:56
Fuzzzyso Im pretty much fucked11:56
Nicd-probably went over the code input limit11:56
Nicd-if you can connect to it with SSH you can remove the lock in some way (but don't ask me how, I don't know)11:56
Nicd-otherwise it's a trip to care@jolla.com11:56
Fuzzzywell I guess it needs a SIM card holder replacement anyway11:58
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FuzzzyAFAIK I had selected unlimited tries12:09
Fuzzzybut the code I had previously set doesnt work12:09
FuzzzyI dont know how the lock mode even went on12:10
Nicd-so it's still accepting the codes you try?12:10
Nicd-I mean letting you try more codes12:11
Fuzzzyyes12:11
Nicd-ok, then it's not totally locked12:11
Nicd-and if it doesn't display a counter then I guess you have unlimited tries12:11
Fuzzzyit doesnt12:11
Nicd-does it have SSH on?12:11
Fuzzzybut no idea what the code is since it doesnt accept the one I have set12:11
Fuzzzydont think so12:12
Nicd-the SSH trick would need the actual code too though12:12
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aard_a/win 4912:23
chem|stFuzzzy: how long is your code?12:24
FuzzzyI guess somehow I managed to enter the code wrong TWICE last time I changed it12:24
Fuzzzy1 char higher than minimum required12:24
chem|stso 612:24
Fuzzzyyes12:24
FuzzzyI've tried variations but :(12:24
chem|stwell 6 digits has limited variations... how about you try your digits with only 512:25
mdxthhave you tried previous one12:25
Fuzzzyyes12:25
mdxthdamn12:26
chem|stFuzzzy: if it is a typo, try it blind and fast... maybe you reproduce the typo12:27
Fuzzzyheh12:27
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chem|stI so often mistype has one digit is not recognized... so I'd try 5 digits too12:28
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FuzzzyI guess I have to send it to Optima service12:39
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Fuzzzyif SSH needs the correct code12:40
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PaulePanterHi. I want to install the Sonos App on my Jolla. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sonos.acr13:03
PaulePanterHow can I accomplish that? It’s not in the Yandex store as far as I can see.13:03
SK_workPaulePanter: http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/13:03
SK_workif it is free13:03
SK_work+ side load13:03
PaulePanterSK_work: Thanks.13:04
Nicd-if you trust them, that is13:04
VDVsxprobably is in aptoide, easier from there13:05
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mdxthPaulePanter, it is also in amazon store13:10
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pdanekJolla 2 on Slush 2014!13:36
Sceltpdanek: url?13:39
pdanekNo url, you must believe, live in the hype!13:39
* Stskeeps ponders if this is pdanek's hobby..13:39
Stskeeps:P13:39
tadzikStskeeps: from what I've seen it is :)13:39
tadzikwhy would you want a jolla2 pdanek13:39
pdanekEvery IRC channel has its troll.13:40
TemeVmoar cores and moar ram and moar everything of course. Why wouldn't one want those13:40
pdanekSometimes I wonder if I'm on the edge to get banned. :D13:40
TemeVliving on the edge13:41
Tegubleeding edge13:41
oh8gnzhttp://thebestmobileblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/jollan-mahdoton-tarina-jatkuu/ (fin)13:41
oh8gnzsome rumors ?13:41
Nicd-can't be a jolla 2 yet, they've only just released the first one in india etc13:43
TemeVwasn't jolla 2 planned become 201513:43
TemeVlate 2015 that is13:44
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mcfriskI'm sure jolla q&a would want another HW variant, heck why not a tablet too... ;)13:47
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simbrownI don't see how launching a Jolla 2 in existing markets would make any sense. Jolla's top priority has to be their mainland China launch.13:51
simbrownThat might be different HW though13:51
Nicd-a situation where they would sell different HW to just china would not be good for them I think13:52
simbrownWhat about through a partner?13:53
clauwell, there's still a lot to do until Sailfish is at the same level with the competition13:54
clauI hope Jolla will focus more on this than on launching new hw13:54
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simbrownAt some point Jolla will have to do a deal with a HW partner in order for them to achieve the scale required for profitability14:00
clauI always thought that was the plan.14:01
simbrownThat's always been the plan I think, for other device manufacturers to adopt sailfish.14:01
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PaulePantermdxth: How can I get it from the Amazon store?14:03
PaulePanterhttp://thejollablog.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/tips-and-tricks-2-installing-amazon-app-store-on-your-jolla/14:04
PaulePanter…, let’s see if that works.14:04
PaulePanterHmm, they want me to sign in, so let’s try Aptoide first.14:05
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clauI wonder... what does "Trusted" mean in Aptoide?14:06
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clauI think all the apps I ever checked/installed are marked as "trusted"14:07
Nicd-probably that it has been verified that the one who added it into the store is the one who actually owns the app14:07
Nicd-because sometimes there's "Facebook, published by joe69"14:07
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coderusPaulePanter: of course you need to have amazon account :)14:10
PaulePanterInstalling it from the Aptoide store would have worked until I saw what access rights it wants to have. :(14:11
clauthere's an "Amazon Store" app which was uploaded by some dude. It's trusted.14:11
PaulePantercoderus: Thanks. I am new to installing apps. ;-)14:12
PaulePanterclau: Yeah, that’s the way I installed the Aptoide store. I did not look for the Amazon store application.14:12
chem|stPaulePanter: I check fdroid first and if it is not there I think about if I can live without it...14:17
PaulePanterchem|st: Thanks. Though that Sonos application is not free software to my knowledge.14:19
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PaulePanterIs there a setting, where I can prohibit everything for an App and everytime it wants to access the file system or mess with the network I have to explicitly allow it?14:20
Nicd-no14:21
PaulePanterLike some Firewalls behave on MS Windows for example.14:21
PaulePanterNicd-: Too bad.14:21
Nicd-there is currently no such system14:21
Nicd-for android or native apps14:21
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pdanekI so didn't know!14:26
pdanekThere is a window manager called Sawfish.14:26
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faenilPSA: sailfish community meeting in 5 mins in #mer-meeting channel14:57
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pdanekAm I considered as community member when I do not contribute with any code? :)15:01
faenilpdanek: of course!15:02
pdanek:)15:02
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SK_workpdanek: contributors don't need to contribute code15:05
SK_workthey contribute time :)15:05
SK_workthat's already something15:06
faenilpdanek: and ideas and support for other people, if possible :D15:06
pdanekright!15:07
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pdanekCan I2C power Jolla directly, or battery is needed?17:28
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pdanekIf yes, we can have battery hot-swapping!17:28
pdanekor nt i2c, but those power pins17:29
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pdanekor just with microusb, why battery hpt swap with microusb plugged in isn't possible?17:33
r0kk3rzthats a good question17:34
r0kk3rznever tried it17:34
r0kk3rzan easy test is to pull the battery out when its on USB charge17:34
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r0kk3rzas the i2c pins just feed into the charging circuit17:34
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phdeswerpdanek: it works on Jolla if on charger. When plugged in on the pc it might not deliver enough power to keep it alive as sometimes current consumption might peak above 500mA17:35
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pdanekyeah I tested now --> it works!17:36
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pdanekWhat is the atmosphere at Jolla? Marc always mentiones in his talks how big success Jolla is, did it really fullfill your expectations?17:49
pdanekOr you expected more... appreciation, sales, development?17:49
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_inte_hello17:50
_inte_sowatch seems pretty abandoned at https://gitorious.org/sowatch17:51
_inte_last commit from 1/1417:51
_inte_is there still something going on?17:51
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phdeswerpdanek: well it is mostly ok. But I guess we always hope for more ;) So we just decide to keep improving things.18:05
Nicd-http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/10/testing-a-35-firefox-os-phone-how-bad-could-it-be/18:08
Nicd-the more you read, the better it gets18:08
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pdanekNo doubt Jolla 2 will run on ARMv8 already.18:13
AL13Nheh18:14
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AL13NARMv8 64bit18:14
AL13Nwith 16GB RAM18:14
AL13Nand 8 cores18:14
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StskeepsMIPS64.18:16
Nicd-PowerPC18:16
pdanekYea, it's gonna  be combination of ARMv8 and Power818:17
Nicd-and they're gonna design their own SoC like Apple18:17
pdanekPower8 for real computing when on charger, ARMv8 for mobile use to save battery18:17
pdanekand lasers18:17
pdanekWe desparately need those lasers finally.18:18
kimmolimandatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw18:23
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Nightmare__+1 for those "lasers"18:34
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chem|stkimmoli: are you familiar with flight controllers? Seagull, a Jolla TOH Quadrocopter^^19:15
kimmolii have few projects... own build not yet been on air19:16
kimmolithat wuold make annoying alarmclock...19:17
chem|stI was thinking about a raspberry shield, while searching for i2c capable sensors and BL Ctrl I found a site with a DIY manual... as always -> somebody has done it ages ago^^19:18
chem|stkimmoli: a clock that lifts of to the seeling waiting for you to find the remote?19:18
kimmolimore like it flies to kitchen and makes you coffee19:19
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Shinryuu'How to make your Jolla to fly to your kitchen and make some coffee'19:44
Shinryuuwith magic19:44
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lpotter"aim it at your wife"? :)19:53
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oozboozI have dead in convulsion  Nokia N9... after argument with my wife, so not sure if Jolla designed incorporated customer requests already19:58
oozboozJ claims: "... new model can withstand spousal arguments ..."19:59
AL13Nlol20:00
AL13Ntoh quadcopter... it's making your phone theft-safe20:00
Bawali think, in a relationship, the secret is to bend and not crack20:01
AL13Nit usually flies too high for people to grab20:01
AL13NBawal: so, iPhone is better for relations?20:01
AL13NiPhone6 ?20:01
AL13N:-)20:01
Bawaldoesn't it crack when poked in the right spot20:01
Bawalsounds dangerous to me20:01
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ShinryuuJolla needs "bending" technology :p20:23
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pdanekDo you guys think, that there is a chance for Jolla 2 to be fully keyboard enabled phone?20:28
pdanek(can be with keyboard half, which will be officially sold via store and UI will be perfectly done for landscape)20:29
pdanekdirkvl will be employed by Jolla20:29
pdanek:D20:29
pdanekThat would be the comeback of Nokia communicators!20:30
sharpneliI consider that to be really unlikely until the whole "Everything must be a clone of the iPhone" far fades.20:32
sharpneli*fad20:32
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pdanekBlackberry Passport is trying to make it happen.20:34
pdanekSo far they sell like cupcakes.20:34
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pdanekIn the past, you had so many phone designs and shapes.20:35
pdanekNowadays, anything that's slightly different, people are scared.20:35
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M4rtinKa friend actually showed me his BB Passport just today20:39
M4rtinKa really nice piece of hardware20:39
M4rtinKand the touch-keyboard is a really nice idea20:40
pdanekYou played with it?20:41
louisdkpdanek, Well I hope to see a qwerty toh in retail quality (most likely not from Jolla) and with SailfishOS support for hiding touch keyboard. Marc Dillon agrees that it's not cool that every phone look the same and have talked about qwerty phones in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0btrtQ5Fc20:41
M4rtinKif only it had a sane (read Linux distro based) and more open OS20:41
M4rtinKpdanek: yeap20:41
M4rtinKlouisdk: well, that one is pretty old20:42
louisdkM4rtinK, would like to see the Passport and the Q10. Tried BB10 on a Z10 a year and it seemed quite MeeGo-like. The biggest bummer is that it's mostly closed sourced.20:42
louisdkM4rtinK, I now but still relevant to the topic.20:43
louisdk*know20:43
M4rtinKlouisdk: I have the Z10 LE and it is decent and the OS is robust20:43
M4rtinKbut the closedness is getting in the way20:43
M4rtinKand there are some stupid decisions and policies20:44
M4rtinKlike you need to bother with debug tokens just to run you app on your device20:44
pdaneklouisdk: I know that interview, but that was long time ago, and Jolla will perhaps do what is best for the business, and keyboards won't sell anymore - BlackBerry is exception, they have the old userbase and they are known for best mobile keyboards, so they can take over the whole niche market20:45
louisdkM4rtinK, if Sailfish OS will not succeed (hope not) , I'll differently go BB10 next time. Android might be more open source in terms of released source code, but I really don't trust Google and find the Android UI quite childish.20:45
pdanekM4rtinK: Why is Linux distro based "sane"?20:45
M4rtinKor that daemon apps (they call them "headless") can consume only up to 3 MB of ram, which for example makes Python headless apps impossible20:46
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M4rtinKlouisdk: well, if BB still exists at that time :D20:46
pdanekActually quite some BB10 owners are aiming to buy Jolla.20:46
pdanekAnd vice-versa.20:46
pdanekVery similar OSes in terms of gesture UI and multitasking.20:47
M4rtinKlouisdk: they are bleeding money like crazy AFAIK but I might have outdated info20:47
pdanekBoth using Qt.20:47
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louisdkpdanek, I still hope a decent qwerty toh will shop up at time point. Don't care if it's US layout, missing letters or made by a random Chinese malefactor.20:47
M4rtinKpdanek: that's what I'm used to work with and what I like20:47
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M4rtinKpdanek: and you can expect it to have some attributes, so you need to hack around less platform differences20:48
louisdkM4rtinK, But Passport sell quite well. BB10 is more stable and feature rich than Sailfish ATM.20:48
M4rtinKpdanek: for example there is no DBUS on BB10 or package dependency support20:48
pdanekI still think BB10 is best mobile OS out there right now, the version 10.320:48
M4rtinKlouisdk: we will see, it might save them in the end :)20:48
louisdkpdanek, BB10 is using stable 4.8.x while Sailfish is running 5.x.20:49
pdanekQt?20:49
M4rtinKlouisdk: actually I think I'd manage even with a blank layout :)20:49
louisdkpdanek, yearh.20:49
pdanekSailfish is more modern.20:49
M4rtinKalcohol based marker should do the trick worst case :)20:49
pdanekI mean.... almost nobody has pulled out default btrfs in their Linux distro20:50
pdanekJolla did, a year ago20:50
M4rtinKBB10 is using the Qt 4 based cascades "thing"20:50
M4rtinKI consider it being something between Qt 4 & Qt 5 or QtQuick 1 and 220:50
louisdkpdanek, Currently Sailfish is more unstable and lacks more features than BB10. Also I think that most BB owners who are interested in Jolla doesn't know that Sailfish is still in beta.20:51
M4rtinKbut it is proprietary and only available on BB10 - but works decently, even though it is missing some crucial features like anchors20:51
M4rtinKlouisdk: well, beta20:51
ToxipI bet BlackBerry was when they first came out. Give it a little time and Sailfish will be wonderful20:52
M4rtinKlouisdk: I don't think one can summarize all aspects of an OS with a single marker like that20:52
M4rtinKthere are aspects of Sailfish that are far ahead but other barely work at all20:53
Toxipindeed20:53
pdanekSometimes I get so pissed off that I'm almost ordering a BB10 phone.20:53
M4rtinKBTW, keyboard TOH - now would be a good time for Jolla to step in and show they indeed want to support the TOH community20:53
pdanekThen I calm down and continue sailing.20:53
pdanekM4rtinK: Maybe on Slush :)20:54
louisdkM4rtinK, Most apps are still quite basic in Sailfish. I think that the UX is superior, but there's still some work to do.20:54
M4rtinKas the guiy working on the v2 of the TOH keyboard is having some issues with sourcing an adequate keypad20:54
ToxipI'd love to see that as well but since the OS still needs some polishing, they want to focus on that20:54
pdanekdirkvl20:54
pdanekMy biggest problem now is that the loud speaker stopped working on Jolla.20:55
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M4rtinKand that might be something for Jolla to help with, either by closer contact to hardware manufacturers or even helping financially20:55
Toxip@pdankek maybe you should contact the Jolla care?20:56
pdanekToxip: sure, but then I would have to send it to Finland... and I don't have spare phone at the moment20:56
pdanekphone speaker still works, so I can call, I just can't use alarm clock, ringtone, etc.20:57
Sceltpdanek: I fixed mine with a little knock to my knee20:57
TeguI am sailing.. I am sailing. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u1v60FITAfY20:57
Toxiphmm... that's a problem20:57
pdanekScelt: did you have same issue? :O20:58
Sceltpdanek: I still have. Haven't yet sent to care20:58
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Sceltbut it's a pretty common problem20:58
pdanekTegu: god... that's amazing20:58
ToxipLuckily I live here in Finland... had a dead pixel out of the box and had the unit replaced20:59
M4rtinKpdanek: external speaker ? :)20:59
pdanekM4rtinK: yes20:59
pdaneknot working anymore, at all, some HW problem20:59
M4rtinKI mean you can use an external speaker :)20:59
tadzik:/20:59
Sceltpdanek: yeah it is. There's some loose connection or something20:59
tadzika TOT speaker20:59
tadzikThe Other Top :P21:00
pdaneklol21:00
Toxipwell that's an interesting concept :D21:00
pdanekThe Other Top!21:00
pdanekThe hype!21:00
tadzikyou could even make it a jack proxy, so you can still plug headphones in if you want to21:00
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: you there ? :)21:00
Toxipseems like a parody on Jolla hype :D21:00
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Tegupdanek: looks like there are versions with better sound quality. just tried to quickly find the song after your comment "calm down and continue sailing"21:00
BasilSemuonovM4rtinK, y u always write at night time?!21:01
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: quite often :)21:01
ToxipI want a battery other half that looks like there's three layers like a sandwich :D21:01
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: I might have a RFE for your monitoring app21:01
tadzikToxip: and is edible21:02
louisdkTegu, Yes you're ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlti8Q-gU-Q21:02
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: support for showing status of multiple swap devices21:02
BasilSemuonovM4rtinK, readed your yesterdays message, and waited all day long for you to become online ;)21:02
ToxipTadzik: :D21:02
pdanekToxip: or other half, which has I2C/power pins as well, so you can stack infinite number of other halves on each other21:02
Tegulouisdk: aahhah, have listened to that way too many times :D21:02
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: yeah, I'm mostly on IRc only in the afternoon-evening21:03
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louisdkTegu: 90's dance at it's best ;)21:03
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M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: back to the RFE - I'm using zram and it would be really handy to monitor its usage/utilization21:03
BasilSemuonovM4rtinK, shouldnt you disable default swap device for zram to be effective?21:04
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: I think quite many others also use zram and might also like that21:04
Teguindeed! I used to listen to it quite a lot21:04
Tegulouisdk21:04
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: not need and might be actually dangerous21:04
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov: check the swap priority21:04
pdanekhttp://youtu.be/HWz7ChHaXtE - Jolla should make ad like this, best ad ever that every N900 user probably knows.21:05
M4rtinKthe zram device has the priority set so high, that it will be always preferred as long as it has free space21:05
M4rtinKalso note there are two devices with the same priority - so that both CPU cores can be used to handle the compression in parallel21:06
M4rtinKBTW, it is missing from the package, but if you run this script:21:07
M4rtinKhttps://dcr226.fedorapeople.org/zram_stats21:07
M4rtinKit should tell you detailed statistics about zram usage :)21:07
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louisdkI sent my phone in for repair. Display changed (yellow marks), Vibrator changes (was dead), Battery cushion installed and connector cleaned (Shutdown issue) and software updated to 1.0.8.19. It look 7 days from pickup to I got it back (Live in Denmark). I'm quite surprised they wanted to fix all that instead of replacing it.21:07
BasilSemuonovM4rtinK, check pm21:07
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Toxippdanek: That would be funny :D21:09
pdanekStskeeps: faenil: Are you going to rename Mer / Nemo projects to something else after merge?21:10
tadzikmerge? :o21:10
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pdanekThat's what I saw on today's community meeting, but maybe I misunderstood the whole thing21:10
pdanek:D21:11
tadzikah, I didn't backlog21:11
pdanekNever take me seriously.21:11
pdanekBut maybe I'm right!21:11
tadzikno worries, I usually don't, but that sounded like something based on facts :P21:11
M4rtinKMermo !21:11
pdanekYea, I thought of that too/21:11
pdanek:D21:12
M4rtinK(that would sound rather cool!)21:12
pdanekI should pull off some good name.21:12
pdanekI came up with Nemo name after all.21:12
pdanek:D21:12
tadzikoh, you did?21:12
pdanekIt was a big IRC chat to choose a name. :D21:12
pdanekRequirement was: fish21:13
pdanekmy proposal was luckily chosen!21:13
pdanek:D21:13
tadzikhehe21:13
tadzikgood job:)21:13
pdaneknah21:14
pdanekit should be Anchovy!21:15
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pdanekNaemo!21:16
pdanek:D21:16
pdaneklol21:16
Toxip;D21:16
tadzikmaybe just Jolo21:16
Toxip>_<21:17
fennekki#jolo #sväk21:18
Toxip#jolomobile21:18
pdanekhttp://chod.sk/bebp521:18
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Tegubtw, is it possiboe to downmix stereo to mono (on the audio plug)?21:21
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TeguI tried this but it didn't seem to work directly in jolla, so there might be more to it... http://askubuntu.com/questions/17791/can-i-downmix-stereo-audio-to-mono21:24
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pdanekhttp://askjolla.com/21:26
pdaneksomeone park this domain21:26
pdanekin 20 years, you will sell it for millions21:26
Tegufor sure :)21:27
Toxipdon't they already have together.jolla.com for stupid questions :P21:31
pdanekJolla will turn into megacorporation, they will buy M$, Google, Apple...21:31
pdanektoothbrushes will be Jolla21:31
pdanekwith Mer inside21:31
Toxip:DD21:31
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TeguJolla shampoo21:32
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ToxipJolla toilet paper21:32
pdaneksure, shampoo will be full of nanobots powered by Mer21:32
TeguJolla aquariums with clownfishes21:33
pdanekand lasers!!!21:34
chem|stToxip: toilet paper TOH21:34
Teguaahah21:34
pdanekchem|st: like it will use the shit as biological material to recharge your battery?21:35
pdanekI like it!21:35
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Toxipchem|st: was thinking of that :D21:35
Toxipjolla statistics http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ckingsf/software/sailfish/images/sailfish_logo.png21:36
Toxippresented in Sailfish format21:36
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_inte_hello21:47
_inte_i found a BUG21:47
_inte_or missing feature21:47
_inte_in the stock Gallery app21:48
_inte_when a photo is maximized and the app is minimized the pic is shown in the app tile21:48
_inte_however, its not possible to swype through the gallery whithout maximazing the app again21:49
_inte_I guess it should21:49
_inte_what do you think?21:49
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ToxipI think it's intended21:50
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_inte_I mean, does someone under stand what i mean at all? :)21:50
Toxipbut it's a bit unintuitive21:50
_inte_well i would have expected it to work21:51
Toxipexactly, that's why it's a bit unintuitive21:51
_inte_as t would be intuitive21:51
_inte_ah yeah :)21:52
_inte_is that mentioned a tjc or somewhere already?21:52
_inte_i have to admit that I have my jolla phone since last year but only recognized the missing function just recently21:53
_inte_but still21:53
_inte_i guess it should work and it would probably be no big thing to implement this feature21:53
Toxipwait, do you mean when you tap a photo and it shows it in fullscreen?21:54
_inte_yes21:54
_inte_and then minimize the app21:54
_inte_then the photo is still in fullscreen but shows only the pic you just maximazid21:54
ToxipI think the idea is that the glow disappears marking that it's not swypeable so you have to tap again to go back21:55
_inte_now, i'd expect to be able to swype through the gallery without maximizing the app again21:55
_inte_no glow21:55
_inte_i mean in the tiles view21:55
_inte_or whatever it is called21:55
_inte_app overview21:55
_inte_task view21:55
_inte_whatever21:55
_inte_that view that looks similar to wp (scnr, i know its from the n9 actually and meego is older than wp)21:56
_inte_but the minimized view21:56
_inte_you understand??21:56
_inte_where you can e.g. control the mediaplayer21:56
Toxiphmm, you mean the multitasking view?21:56
_inte_trigger the email app to check for mails etc.21:56
_inte_yep21:57
_inte_most apps have functions despite they are minimized21:57
_inte_as mentioned above21:57
Toxipyes21:57
_inte_id expect the gallery app to be able to swype as it does in fullscreen mode21:57
_inte_but there is just now function at all when minimized21:58
_inte_despite that it shows the pic21:58
Toxipyou mean that there's no cover action?21:58
_inte_THAT was the word that I was missing21:58
_inte_yes21:58
_inte_no cover action for the gallery app21:58
Toxip:D I see... I don't think it was intended21:58
_inte_yes but try for yoursef21:59
ToxipI don't see any good example for a cover action21:59
_inte_maximize a pic in fullscreen21:59
_inte_but the app in background21:59
Toxipyeah21:59
_inte_youll see only the pic you just maximized21:59
Toxipyeah, that's what it's supposed to do22:00
_inte_if the app is in fullscreen you can swipe through the gallery22:00
_inte_if its minimized, it should be possible to swipe through the gallery as well22:00
_inte_e.g. by cover actions22:00
Toxipoh, now I get it22:00
Toxipso you'd like a feature to be able to switch between the pics22:00
_inte_yep22:00
Toxipthat's actually true, they could introduce such a feature!22:01
Toxipmaybe they didn't think of it22:01
_inte_or just swipe through the gallery22:01
Toxipbut it's not a bug, it's just a missing feature22:01
_inte_i just recognized its not possible recently22:01
_inte_but i instantly began missing this feature22:01
Toxipthere could be two cover actions, previous photo and next photo22:02
Toxipshould checkout if there's already a suggestion on together.jolla.com22:03
_inte_yes thats what i also though22:03
_inte_i guess i will put an entry to tjc22:04
_inte_if i cant find any22:04
_inte_thanks anyways22:04
Toxiphttps://together.jolla.com/question/19468/idea-slideshow-for-photos-in-gallery-app/22:05
Toxipsomething similar noted there22:05
Toxipbut you could post another request as well since that's a bit different22:06
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_inte_thank!22:40
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_inte_s22:40
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pdanekI'm wondering.22:52
pdanekIf Neo900 guys are willing to pay nearly 1000 EUR for an old piece of hardware.22:52
pdanekWhat is Jolla 2 will be high end phone, costing 600 EUR?22:53
pdanekCommunity will buy it for sure.22:53
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pdanekMargins will be higher.22:53
pdanekBut I guess the focus is on developing markets.22:53
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pdanekBring be high-end QWERTY Jolla 2 and I give you 1000 EUR straight away. :D22:55
pdanekbe -> me22:55
pdanekAfter reading the article about cheap FF OS phones today and after Google released their plan for low cost phones (Android One), is it worth to fight for low cost market?22:56
pdanekMaybe going for high end phones is better?22:56
pdanekJust thinking loudly before sleep, feel free to ignore. :D22:57
lpotterlow cost also means low performance.22:58
pdanekwith Android One?22:59
lpotterfor a startup needing to grow a business, I think mid market is probably best22:59
pdanekGoogle is aiming to create high performance low cost devices.22:59
pdanekperhaps23:00
lpotterya, well... they have the big gorilla suit on to help those BOM costs23:00
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lpotternot to mention to defray development costs23:03
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* keithzg would totally settle for a LOW-end QWERTY Jolla 2 ;)23:10
pdanek2000 euro high-end QWERTY Jolla 2!23:12
pdanekI'm in.23:12
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keithzgI . . . would totally buy that. But in fairness, I am a crazy person who still lives like a poor student despite having a real job these days.23:15
lpotterwell... lets just say the N9 hardware would be pushing the low end23:15
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keithzgI still use my N9 as my primary device, add a keyboard and a more modern software stack and that's fine with me :P23:16
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* keithzg has long been tempted to go over to a modern Android as a primary device, but even just finding one that has a low-power display AND at least 64GB of storage is impossible.23:20
pdanekkeithzg: you're same as me, I'm working already for 5 year and having close to zero savings23:20
pdanekyears*23:20
keithzgpdanek: No, sorry, I actually am in the opposite situation. I still live like a poor student despite now having a job that actually pays me, heh. I'm accruing savings, unlike literally everyone else I know.23:21
keithzgSo I do crazy things like buy a Jolla despite how I can't actually use it as a phone, haha23:22
pdanekah I see23:22
pdanekI have high spendings and low savings. :D23:22
pdanek= zero savings :D23:23
lpotterwhy can't you use it?23:23
pdanekAre you in US?23:23
keithzgCanada.23:24
keithzgMy carrier is AWS on 3G, so no cell radio love from the Jolla 1.23:25
lpottercd ../23:26
keithzglpotter: why ../, what does that accomplish that .. doesn't? Although I guess both do the same when accidentally written in an IRC channel rather than a terminal :P23:27
lpotterfinger memory23:27
* keithzg has to carry around THREE phone when using the Jolla: N9 as primary device, Jolla, and an Android phone with a data SIM to be the hotspot since connman apparently can't see ad-hoc networks23:28
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pdanekhttp://neo900.org/stuff/piwo/wolne-mobilne-gdy-android-to-za-malo.ogg23:31
pdanek(watch out, it's in Polish language)23:32
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slatewhats out, its autoplay23:39
slate:D23:39
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keithzgWell, when a browser is pointed directly at an audio file, I feel like the browser deciding to auto-play isn't entirely unreasonable!23:56
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slate:)23:58
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