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send9Anyone know if there's currently a way to install nmap/ncat (or at least nc) via pkcon / zypper?00:57
send9Can't seem to install via OpenRepos00:57
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send9Hmm maybe I'm wrong00:58
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stephgmorning06:22
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kimmolinah it's monday06:58
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tmynttinyay07:10
Nicd-spiiroin: is the 'dead' in your IP intentional? :P07:11
spiiroinNicd-: ???07:11
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Nicd-spiiroin: spiiroin (~spiiroin@2001:998:2a:dead:c54c:83d3:29e4:a67a)07:12
spiiroinaa... IP as in IP addess. I guess it is just missing brain ;-)07:12
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Nicd-I tried to come up with funny IPv6 addresses for my IP range but hexspeak is difficult07:13
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Jopefeed c0ed babe dead beef cafe f00d 0ea7 1ee707:14
Nicd-I know have :c0de:d00d but when I reconnect it will be :beee:eeee:eeee:eee5 :D07:16
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Jopehaha07:18
Jopethat is a good one07:18
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kimmoli.. b00b:507:34
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* kimmoli shows my maturity07:34
JopemyƤk07:35
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Nicd-kimmoli: I have b000::00b5 configured in my interface naturally07:51
kimmoliah, just bigger...07:52
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nbghi. I'm using the official calendar app and I want to sync all events with my caldav account, but somehow, the end time is set to the start time after a while. e.g., I have an event starting at 11:00 until 12:00. a few days later, it's set as 11:00 until 11:00. anyone else who experiences the same bug? any solutions?08:34
faenilhave you already tried searching t.j.com?08:35
faenil+on08:36
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nbgyes, I read some threads about jolla and caldav, haven't seen anyone with such problems yet.08:36
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rangoy_webchatnbg: timezone issues?08:45
nbgrangoy_webchat: maybe, I live in germany. But ithen it would probably deviate only by multiples of one hour, e.g. 11:00 - 12:40 would set it to 11:40, not 11:00.08:49
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faeniloh jolla, why thou disconnect from tha internetz09:08
r0kk3rz_Because its too cool for the internet09:09
r0kk3rz_internet is so 20th century09:09
* tbr alsmost doesn't encounter this anymore since he upgraded connman09:09
tbrright, now it's internet of things09:10
faeniltbr: yeah I remember you saying that :) I haven't done that yet, waiting for the update09:10
tbr:)09:10
r0kk3rz_tbt you running dev updates?09:10
r0kk3rz_*tbr09:11
SK_workr0kk3rz_: opt-in connman ?09:11
tbrpublic build on my personal repo09:12
* tbr recently rebuilt it from latest mer git09:12
r0kk3rz_oh right09:12
tbrbut didn't have the time to upgrade to that09:12
r0kk3rz_i look forward to the release then09:14
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r0kk3rz_not sure running experimental stuff on my primary phone is the best idea09:19
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tbryup, I made sure to have the original packages at hand in case I have to revert09:24
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coderusi can test everything you want if needed :D10:26
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kjokiniekimmoli: the nfc id missing question: send to repair.11:13
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AL13N_workheh, if you have a lan on a university: dead:c0ed:babe could be nice :-)11:18
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AL13N_workor rather dead:c0ed:babe:1 & dead:c0ed:babe:2 ,...11:19
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kimmolikjokinie: that will be tricky, but user is happy after installing stuff manually.11:20
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kjokiniekimmoli: ok11:22
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nosy1o711:31
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nosy1just wanted to state that the regular meetup every first monday @c-base in berlin will happen today, too. come after 1800 UTC :)11:32
kimmolikjokinie: any possibility to add wakeup to gpio67 ?11:32
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kjokiniekimmoli: I looked into that some time ago, but it wasn't quite as trivial as adding a wake up bit for it.  The bug is still open in our bugzilla (and I'm lacking time to work on it more) :(11:38
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pdanekHello!11:41
pdanekHow are you guys doing today?11:41
kimmolikjokinie: ok11:41
pdanekDo you think Fedora or OpenSUSE teams will soon start working on their own mobile OS?11:42
* kimmoli mumbles11:42
pdanekLook at Unity, it's getting pretty unified UI to be used on both desktop and mobile.11:43
pdanekKDE Plasma 5.0 is very polished and unified as well, more easy to be implemented for mobile OS.11:43
pdanekUbuntu started it, why others shouldn't follow?11:43
meklubecause others realize that mobile is a lost cause11:43
* meklu cynics it up11:43
sharpneliHopefully they realized that mobile UI for desktops is a horrible abomination.11:44
sharpneliAnd trying any sort of unification is simply foolish11:44
pdanekSo if Jolla company wouldn't exist now, it will not emerge anymore? It would be too late now?11:44
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pdanekwould not*11:44
meklueh.11:45
meklumobile is overcrowded, and there's already an effective duopoly in the mobile OS space11:46
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mekluI can't really see comparatively tiny Linux distributions managing to make a substantial crack in the market for their doings11:47
mekluthere's also the fact that, as sharpneli stated, convergence doesn't really work11:47
mekluthere's a reason mobile UIs differ from desktop UIs11:48
kimmolihmm, how do you call Linux which is not based on any "distro"? homebrew from scratch. Just invent a name for it?11:48
mekluthat reason isn't all about tradition11:48
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mekluLinux From Scratch?11:49
meklualthough that might imply having gone through the LFS manuals and stuff11:49
AL13N_workand using their system11:49
AL13N_workbut11:49
AL13N_worknot necessarily11:49
AL13N_worki've known someone who used LFS for their servers, and by LFS, i mean really compiling all11:50
AL13N_workthere's also CLFS and CBLFS or something11:50
AL13N_worki can't remember the names11:50
kimmoli"linux from scratch" exists..11:51
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kimmolimeh, forget11:52
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AL13N_workcall it KimmoliOS11:53
AL13N_work:-)11:53
kimmolii might11:53
kimmolior kimmOS ...11:53
pp_a11:54
AL13N_workbut, isn't it difficult to first setup a toolchain and then building the toolchain and then building the kernel and core-utils and stuff?11:54
AL13N_worktoo much work11:54
kjokinieopensuse has a nice arm builds already.. though it's not exactly directed to mobile. mer/nemo has also that stuff11:55
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kimmoliELDK11:56
pdanekAL13N_work: LFS for his servers? really? :O11:57
pdanekFedora and openSUSE arm builds are rather for Raspberry-like world?11:57
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kjokinieyes. depends on how much you want to DIY.. they still got well maintained (AFAIK) set of core libs and utils12:00
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Stskeepscoderus: is mitakuulu listening on telephony in any way?12:23
Nicd-it listens for incoming SMS in the registration phase12:23
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Stskeepsphonecalls specifically12:24
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coderusStskeeps: no, it just listen dbus for incoming sms12:51
Stskeepscoderus: ok12:51
coderusfor telephony you can check ScumStopper sources < very interesting!12:52
coderushttps://sourceforge.net/p/scumstopper/code/ci/master/tree/12:52
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dr_gogeta86any myriad peps here ?13:39
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SK_workupdate !14:16
SK_workwell, not the one you expects14:16
SK_workbut update !14:16
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SK_workhttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/51912869642767564814:16
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aard_SK_work: the nss parts are pretty ugly14:18
SK_workwhat do you mean by ugly ?14:19
aard_as in "you want those closed"14:19
SK_worknext release will have them less ugly ?14:19
aard_no, the fixing is not ugly, the vulnerability is ugly14:20
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tadzikI thought there'd be at least update on the update14:21
aard_tadzik: "we are getting there"14:21
tadzik:)14:21
tadzikhonestly, I'd rather get it in December if I could get that vibration hotfix :P14:22
SK_workaard_: ah14:22
clauwhat's the vibration hotfix?14:22
tadzikthere isn't one14:22
tadzikso when you disable haptic feedback, you disable vibrations everywhere14:23
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SK_worktadzik: +114:23
aard_tadzik: we just pushed the hotfix out, while in parallel working on another release candidate for u9 for internal testing14:23
tadzikaard_: cool14:23
clautadzik: I see. That's bad.14:24
tadzikclau: it makes me thing that no one in jolla (QA included) disables haptic feedback :D14:25
clauI have another issue with the haptic feedback: it misses plenty of events.14:26
tadzikthat too14:26
tadzikI'd rather have it turned on only for pulley menu14:26
tadzikthere it's actually useful14:26
clauthough, that might also be becasue of the hw14:26
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SK_workclau: and then, fire them at the same time14:30
SK_worktadzik: +114:30
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louisdkHow can I search for specific words in a contacts sms messages? I've dumped a backup onto my Linux laptop. Can I grep a specific file?14:41
Wntlouisdk: I'm pretty sure all messages are storen in some sqlite database file14:42
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Sail0ryay update ^^14:50
Sail0rbut not 914:50
SK_worklouisdk: the db is in ~/.local/share/data/privileged/<somewhere>14:50
SK_workit is a db used by libcomhistory14:50
louisdkSK_work, found it, however I don't have messages as far back as I want to.14:53
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louisdkCan I set a level to repos on my Jolla like is possible on eg. Debian. So I can ignore newer releases of eg. bash from community repos?15:03
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SK_worklouisdk: hum ... it think it is very apt related15:07
SK_workdon't think you can with debian15:07
SK_workwith rpm15:07
SK_work*15:07
aard_louisdk: right now, no. but I did some prototyping for that, so it's generally possible, I just need to find more time to get it production ready and roll it out15:13
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pdanekUpdate9 is going to be the big one?16:35
pdanekLargest update yet?16:36
Morpog_PCno, just complexest16:36
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Wntmost complexest16:36
pdanek44 gigabyte update16:36
pdanekno, 42!16:36
pdanekmake it 42G please16:37
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Yanielhow are you going to install that16:38
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pdanekover 2 days and nights16:39
pdanekthousands of new features, beating all mobile OSes together16:39
pdanekand lasers16:40
Dima^what is Update9?16:41
Dima^sdk?16:41
YanielSailfish16:41
Dima^how it's so big?16:42
Nicd-he was joking16:42
giucamlasers seems like a cool idea16:43
Dima^Jolla's memory is only 16GB16:43
Dima^Nicd-: ok :)16:44
Dima^is OnePlus One the cure word here?16:44
WntDima^: one needs to have a 64 GB sd card installed ;)16:45
tigeliDima^: it does not cure anything ;)16:45
Dima^:)16:45
pdanekOnePlus One will be soon beaten by Nexus 6?16:45
pdanek5.9 inch phone16:45
Dima^Wnt: OS uses only main memory16:45
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Dima^why they made so big phones?16:46
Dima^impossible to use with one hand16:46
pdanekDima^: After update9 it can use any kind of memory, Sailfish will grow by itself, AI, it will spread on network and do complex computations and make your life much better!16:46
pdanekThe bezels and upper/bottom space will be quite small, so even though it will be 5.9 inch, phone size will be about the size of iPhone 6+16:47
Dima^pdanek: is there a risk of take overing the world and destroying humanity?16:47
tadzikDima^: agreed16:47
tadzikJolla is just about too big for me16:47
pdanekand iPhone 6 Plus seems to sell16:47
pdanekDima^: humanity is overrated16:47
Dima^people buy it just because it is iphone16:47
Stskeepsphones aren't going to get smaller.16:47
Stskeeps:P16:47
Stskeepssmall screens are soon more price than big screens16:48
tadzikpeople always say that one thing SF got wrong is that computers are getting smaller, not bigger over time16:48
tadzikbut now, the mystery's solved! It's not computers, it's phones in SF movies16:48
Dima^i love my nexus 7 tablet and wating for Nexus 5.. then I'll sending my jolla to care16:48
tadzikin the future they will be the size of a starship16:48
pdanekWhat about Jolla bend test? Was it done yet? :D16:48
Nicd-so, since they pushed a hotfix, I'm assuming no update tomorrow :/16:48
Morpog_PCNicd-, I guess earliest next week16:48
Morpog_PCif they don't have to do another RC :D16:49
Nicd-that's a pretty big delay already16:49
tadziksilly, of course September update will be in September. Duh16:49
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Wnttadzik: what is SF? SourceForge? San Francisco?16:49
tadzik11 more months, stop being so eager16:49
tadzikWnt: Science Fictoin16:49
Dima^"If Jolla bends, you can change TOH whenever you want."16:49
Wnttadzik: OK :)16:49
Nightmare__yeah update! :D yeah tutorial is reinstalled.... :(  :D16:50
Morpog_PCjust put it in a folder named crap16:50
AL13Nwhen monitors can be holographically projected, then computers will go smaller again16:51
phlixii was about to write the same (create folder named "crap") actually already did this on n9 ;-)16:51
phlixiAL13N i guess before that a laser will beam the picture into your eye16:52
phlixi...sitting on glasses16:52
pdanekI wonder when people will get smaller again.16:52
AL13Nphlixi: and people will go mysteriously blind16:52
Dima^where is the link to "what's new" ?16:52
pdanekDuring last 200 years or so, average height has increased.16:52
tadzikwhat about width? :o16:53
tadzikWHEN DOES IT STOP16:53
phlixiDima^: it is displayed when you check for update in settings16:53
pdanekah, width!16:53
pdanekwe get taller and wider16:53
tadzikoh, that's fine then16:53
Dima^philandstuff: I want to see on my computer :)16:53
AL13Ntadzik: go to Texas and see the movie e-Wally16:53
Nightmare__./pkcon remove sailfish-tutorial16:53
Nightmare__:)16:53
tadzikAL13N: I knew that'd come up :P16:53
AL13N:-)16:53
tadzikAL13N: but I didn't find Texas nearly as obnoxious as Florida :P16:54
phlixiDima^: it is probably the first one (TM) in TGC16:54
phlixihttps://together.jolla.com/question/57874/release-notes-security-hotfix-for-tahkalampi-10821/16:54
Morpog_PChmm seems rainemak is now alone maintaining UI of sailfish-browser :(16:54
tadzikalthough that may have been all those fat people on electric tricycles who wanted to get a priority queue in disney because of being "disabled"16:54
AL13Nwell,i don't, a friend of mine worked in texas (we're from .be) and he saw people at the beach sitting in their own fat16:54
tadzik:D16:54
tadzikhow convenient16:54
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Dima^ah.. hotfix16:55
Dima^nothing new16:55
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AL13Nhotfix for bash?16:55
Nicd-and NSS and NSPR16:55
AL13Nnice!16:55
pdanekDid anyone try to use packages from OpenSUSE OBS on Sailfish?16:55
AL13Nsec hotfix16:55
AL13Nthis is what we needed16:55
pdanekAT least some CLI stuff?16:55
AL13Nspeaking of which...16:56
AL13Ngtg... food16:56
phlixi...Links opened from outside the browser still are opened in the top tab (instead of spawning an new tab -.-) ;-(16:56
phlixi...actually i already have to create a dummy-tab, quite annoying16:57
phlixialways*16:57
Morpog_PCthat should be fixed with update916:58
pdanekif you open a browser and click on middle button to show tabs while page is still loading, browser crashes16:58
pdanekquite a major issue16:58
phlixipdanek: never happened to me, i do that all the time (since i "need" to open new tabs, as mentioned above)16:59
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Wntpdanek: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/issues/18616:59
Morpog_PCit's fully open source you can build more recent versions by yourself16:59
pdanekWnt: yes, that's it, always reproducable on my phone17:00
phlixiMorpog_PC: is there a tutorial for noobs like me how to do that? for example, i would like to install the latest version of gpodder from github (since the last bugfixes where i am affected on are not released yet)17:01
WntMorpog_PC: unfortunatelly the process of building the browser is quite complicated and at least I only got a even more buggy browser as the result17:01
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Wnte.g. the rendered browser view was mirrored in both x- and y-axis :D17:02
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Morpog_PCyeah, building sailfish-browser is a bit complicated, as it depends on other packages which also need to be updated. coderus had a nightly build on openrepos, but did'nt update it anymore unfortunately17:02
Morpog_PCphlixi, gpodder should be more easy to build, you need to install sdk, and get a traball of latest code. Then open the specfile from sdk and try ti build after setting target to emulator. If it fails people in #sailfishos can help. Pinging thp could help too if he has time to answer.17:04
Morpog_PCthe sailfishos sdk webpage has a mini tutorial how to build an app17:04
phlixithanks17:05
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phlixiactually not sure if this is needed, since only a few files changed, and i am just to lazy to update those few lines from hand17:07
Morpog_PClol17:07
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phlixiin theory i guess it should be enough to copy the two or three files, but i thought there migt be a process to automate this17:07
phlixiactuyll i could modify the existing files...17:08
phlixi...just thought it should be possible to get the changed files magically installed17:08
phlixiafaik nothing needs to be compiled17:09
Morpog_PCwell, just edit them on the device17:09
phlixithat does not sound like the method someone would use who is familiar with all that github stuff17:09
Morpog_PCwell I did that before, sometimes I'm just too lazy to fork, commit, build, etc.17:10
Morpog_PCin the end you could even use a webhook to let OBS build your app17:10
Morpog_PCbut for a few lines of code it's just overkill17:11
phlixinon need to fork etc, my code (pull?) is already acepted and went into the real project (merge?)17:11
phlixiok17:12
Morpog_PCsure, was just an example17:12
phlixihowever, i might try the tarball, sdk build route in order to learn something :-)17:13
phlixithe outcome should be some rpm which i can simply download and click to install, right?17:14
phlixior will the sdk install it for me17:14
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phlixio wow, 19:15, gg2... thanks Morpog_PC! ;-)17:16
pdanekIs there a statistic about most active channels on Freenode?17:16
pdanekhe is Mmorpg_PC17:16
pdanekI always see the name like this17:16
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Morpog_PClol17:17
Morpog_PCI don't even play MMORPG's ;)17:17
phlixisry17:17
phlixipdanek: pretty sure it is #python17:17
Morpog_PCphlixi, yes the outcome would be a installable rpm17:17
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Morpog_PCor a direct deploy, but I prefer RPM17:18
phlixipdanek: and there is /list :-)17:19
pdanekbut number of people doesn't mean how active it is17:20
pdaneknumber of messages could be good17:20
TMavicaO there is update17:21
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pdanekwatch out, it has 42 gigabytes17:21
TMavicabut............17:21
TMavicadamn17:21
pdanekbe sure you're on wifi17:21
TMavicawasted my time...17:22
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Nicd-TMavica: he is joking17:22
pdanekThat's obvious. :D17:22
TMavicai rushed to home to update, but it is useless17:22
pdanekSorry I should troll less.17:22
TMavicadamn17:22
pdanekYea, it's just hotfix.17:23
pdanekNo new features.17:23
tigeli"just"17:23
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TMavicaWhen i saw a update logo then I rush back to home immediately, I am in occupycentral17:26
pdanek1When I saw the update logo, I opened jollausers.com immediately :)17:26
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pdanek1and found out it's a hotfix17:26
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pdanek1Are any of members of old Maemo/MeeGo team in Nokia still employed by Microsoft at the moment?17:27
pdanek1And... did majority switch to Jolla, or just small part?17:28
pp_well, technically there are probably still a bunch in oulu :-)17:30
pp_the logo is still there!17:30
Stskeepsand some people went on to nokia x17:31
pdanek1Is there still hope that Nokia X may do mobile stuff?17:32
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pdanek1Like wearables?17:32
pp_nokia proper is hiring android people (a few)17:33
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pdanek1I see.17:34
pdanek1Idea!17:34
pdanek1If Richard Stallman has to choose between lesser evil (for him, both are evil for sure), would he pick Android or Sailfish?17:35
pp_analog phone with schematics included17:36
Stskeepsbit of a philosophical argument17:37
pp_and even then he'd complain that he'd have to connect it to a proprietary dx200 or somesuch17:37
pdanek1Well, he would complain for sure, but imagine he has to choose.17:38
pdanek1Not build his own from AOSP, but for example rootable Nexus 5 with Stock Android or Jolla.17:39
pdanek1:)17:39
tadzikphones are evil, haven't you heard?17:39
mordpdanek1: he'd prolly compare replicant and sailfish17:39
tadzikI'm sorry, "Personal Surveillance Devices" is how he calls them17:39
mordandroid as such is of course out of the question17:40
pdanek1http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/sep/19/android-free-software-stallman17:40
pdanek1So he supports replicant.17:41
mordno, i think he thinks it's not inherently evil17:41
pdanek1ah, right!17:41
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pdanekWhen Sailfish will be released with Hurd kernel?17:50
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Stskeepsnever17:51
Stskeepsi'd rather go L4 before hurd17:51
tadzikHurdurr kernel?17:51
mordhurd is interesting. useful? not so much.17:51
pdanekDebian did it.17:52
AL13NL4 ?17:52
pdanekBut I like L4, so lets switch to L4 in Update 12.17:52
pdanek:D17:52
AL13Nwhat's L4?17:52
Stskeepshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_family17:53
AL13Nhurd can't be done... there's non-free drivers that requires linux-3.417:53
AL13Ni doubt any other kernel will work17:53
AL13Ni can only hope a future lts version of the non-free drivers can be done17:53
pp_seL4 !17:54
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pdanekAL13N: Microkernel, some Hurd developers began the project long time ago.17:54
pdanekStskeeps is already working on L4 Mer release, privately. He won't confirm this of course.17:55
Stskeepspft, i was doing l4 systems when you didn't even know about jolla17:55
Stskeeps:P17:55
Stskeepsbased on l4ka::pistachio17:56
pdanekhttps://who.is/whois/merproject.net17:57
* pp_ remembers mklinux, on a ppc apple some lmbench results were worse than on a sun3/6017:57
pdanekExpires On     October 10, 201417:57
pdanekYear has passed and we have the issue again. :D17:57
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AL13Nanyone knows what's the new lts kernel?17:57
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pdanekStskeeps: but I didn't even receive any domain expiration reminder this time, have you got anything?18:00
pdanekOh, I did!18:01
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pdanekUbuntu version of the Meizu MX4 phone due in December18:13
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pdanekIt's finally here.18:16
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Stskeepsi'll believe it when i see it shipping with a CE certification and having done field tests18:26
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pdanekStskeeps: regarding the domain, will you extend it? should I ignore it?18:27
Stskeepsyeah, just got some other problems with other domains18:27
pdanekfine18:27
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Morpog_PCStskeeps, do you know what process is RX_Thread? It seems to use about 8% CPU as soon as my Jolla is connected to wifi and receives about 1MB data per minute18:38
Morpog_PCis that some kind of watchdog to keep the wifi connection alive?18:38
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StskeepsMorpog_PC: ... probably the receiver thread for the wifi module..?18:40
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Stskeepsat a whild guess18:40
Morpog_PCbut what does it receive?18:40
Stskeeps[20:38] <Morpog_PC> Stskeeps, do you know what process is RX_Thread? It seems to use about 8% CPU as soon as my Jolla is connected to wifi and receives about 1MB data per minute18:41
Stskeepsand what it receives.. i don't know, tcpdump?18:41
Stskeepsit might just be getting signaling18:41
Morpog_PCsure, but there is no app active that could receive data18:41
Stskeepsi don't know enough about the wlan driver18:41
Morpog_PCI even killed alien dalvik to be sure it's not some background stuff18:42
Nightmare__my rx_thread is on0% cpu while connected to wlan18:42
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Stskeepstcpdump is probably best choice18:43
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pdaneklol, I so didn't know about this: http://www.muktware.com/2013/02/linus-torvalds-to-secure-boot-supporters-this-is-not-a-dick-sucking-contest/403518:44
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Morpog_PCtcpdump -D gives no output :(18:46
Morpog_PCok, needed to be root18:46
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Morpog_PChmmm, wtf, it's spammed over and over with my lan printer18:49
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Stskeepsthere you go18:49
Morpog_PCmdns18:49
Morpog_PClet me shutdown it to see if it helps18:50
locusfcan Jolla even print?18:50
Morpog_PCit seems to be the SDCARD port on that printer18:51
Morpog_PCwow, tcpdump looks so much better now18:51
Morpog_PCRX_Thread now at 0.3%18:52
Morpog_PCand less18:52
Morpog_PCstrange printer18:52
Morpog_PCfloods my home network, that could explain some other strange effects18:53
Morpog_PCthx for input Stskeeps!18:53
Teguprinter with DOS capabilities19:00
pdanekhttp://youtu.be/Y33x9PK7cRg?t=12m27s19:04
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pdaneksharpneli: that supports yours statement today, that having same UI for desktop and mobile is horrible idea19:08
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raa700Morpog_PC: printer model?19:12
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Morpog_PCraa700, canon mp64019:20
Morpog_PCI disabked SCDARC over ethernet and bonjour, one of bot must have been it19:20
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Morpog_PCdisabled*, sdcard*19:20
Morpog_PCboth*19:20
raa700or*19:21
Morpog_PClol, maybe19:21
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pdanekProject Ara = IBM/360 in mobile world?19:38
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pdanekhttp://youtu.be/IQhbM55F23U20:01
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r0kk3rz_yaaay update21:32
tadziknot really21:33
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pdanekHas btrfs proven to be stable on Sailfish?21:33
r0kk3rz_to bash21:33
r0kk3rz_people have btrfs issues from time to time21:34
r0kk3rz_so depends on what you call stable21:34
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stephgpdanek: I'd say yeah it's stable21:39
stephgspace issues != corruption21:39
tigeliyeah, i would not say ext4 isn't any better if you have full fs21:40
tigelis/isn't/is/21:41
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stephgbedtiem. g'night folks21:44
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chem|stpdanek: metadata mis/pre-allocation seems to mess up things21:51
chem|stand it isn't very crash resitant21:52
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M4rtinKeverything you ever wanted to know about modRana 0.49.2, but were too afraid to ask: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1442148&postcount=165821:55
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chem|st:D22:24
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chem|stM4rtinK: a global maps folder could come handy at some point...22:30
chem|stdoes it blow up in my face if I try to bend the folder to the android storage where I have 12GB of maps already downloaded?22:31
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M4rtinKshould be fine22:32
M4rtinKboth symlinks22:32
chem|styou mean for tile DL and for preloaded?22:33
M4rtinKand changing the path in /home/nemo/.config/harbour-modrana/user_config.conf22:33
chem|stok22:34
M4rtinKjust check if the tile storage structure is compatible22:35
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M4rtinKBTW, I've proposed a map data storage framework for the uSD card back in March: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/003731.html22:36
M4rtinKbut haven't got much feedback22:36
pdanekJolla 2!22:36
chem|sthmm nice...22:37
chem|stM4rtinK: is obf ok?22:37
M4rtinKconsidering this is the first time I hear about it22:38
M4rtinKNO22:38
M4rtinK:D22:38
chem|stI have osmand obf or for oruxmaps .map22:39
M4rtinKosmand uses vector data22:39
chem|styes22:39
M4rtinKand modRana supports only map tiles so far22:40
chem|stok so picture plus corner coordinates22:40
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M4rtinKyeah22:40
M4rtinKand the coordinates are given by folder names & image name22:41
M4rtinKz/x/y.png|jpg IIRC22:41
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M4rtinKand modRana can also store the tiles to a sqlite db (less files), but I don't know about any other apps adapting the same format22:42
M4rtinK(described here BTW: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SQLiteStorageDescriptionEN)22:42
M4rtinKwell, I'd like to add vector rendering eventually22:43
M4rtinKso I'll have to choose some vector data format in the future22:43
M4rtinKIIRC Mapbox has one quite widely used one based on PBF22:44
M4rtinKand the osmand one might also by a good candidate22:44
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chem|stI like oruxmaps very much though, I think it is svg+profiles22:50
chem|sthttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapsforge22:52
chem|stgtg, good night22:52
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