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coderusarisel: still need factory images?04:20
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TMavicacoderus: ?04:49
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sqozzcoderus: have you a link to your factory image for me, please?04:57
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cryoratsqozz, i have factory images05:20
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coderusTMavica: what you want?05:36
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coderussqozz: yes i have two images, factory-only and full clear dd dump05:37
coderussqozz: do you want to really use it for recovering, or just for collection?05:37
TMavicacoderus: i cant get sms receive and voice in mitakuuluu register05:39
TMavicanow i try use official, but now say 13 hours, lol05:40
coderusTMavica: i dont care05:40
coderusit says "sent" then i dont care05:40
TMavicahow input android register data to mitakuuluu?05:40
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coderusTMavica: how writing english sentencies properly? :D05:41
TMavicau should understand, lol05:41
coderusTMavica: no i dont understand, lol05:42
TMavicai mean if I got a working android whatsapp in Jolla, how can I transfer the registration data to mitakuuluu without register in mitakuuluu05:42
coderusTMavica: sure05:43
TMavicado i need move any file or something else?05:43
coderusTMavica: no05:43
coderusTMavica: everything doing automatically05:43
TMavicajust open mitakuuluu then it auto input?05:43
coderusTMavica: yes05:44
TMavicano register page show?05:44
coderusTMavica: please try before asking05:44
TMavicaok05:44
coderusif you have problems and questions then ask05:44
TMavicai requested 3 times register code, sent but no any receiving..05:45
coderusi dont care05:45
TMavicain mitakuuluu05:45
TMavicalol05:45
coderusi dont care05:45
coderusits your problems if you not rreceiving code05:45
coderusnot mine05:46
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TMavicashouldnt be05:46
coderuswhy you think so?05:47
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TMavicayou mean my phone cant receive sms and calling?05:47
coderusi dont care05:47
coderusi dont want even guessing05:47
coderusmitakuuluu is just a client, if you have problem with whatsapp - send your questions to whatsapp support05:47
coderusi dont care if you receiving code or not if code request status is "sent"05:48
TMavicaso i going to use android one to input register data to mitakuuluu05:48
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stephgmorning07:25
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Nicd-wow, freenode is really exploding this morning07:31
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ariselcoderus: just decompressing one that might work.. :)07:31
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coderusarisel: check md5sum before using it07:36
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coderusarisel: and reinstall kernel-adaptation-sbj after booting07:37
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stephgNicd-: how do you mean?07:38
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Nicd-stephg: the constant netsplits07:42
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secYes, Freenode seems to be down with something07:45
tbrirc weather for today: hot and splitty07:46
kimmoliiekku: that was fast07:46
locusfthese cant be of course seen if joins/parts are ignored :)07:46
mekluseeing joins/parts is often useful though07:48
mekluif someone vanishes before you shoot off a message, you can then whine about it!07:49
Nicd-locusf: if I only used weechat I would hide them but I also use glowing bear so it's not a solution07:49
tbror if you have to support irc-inept users on low traffic channels07:49
locusfNicd-: lol wtf glowing bear07:51
meklua web interface for weechat07:51
mekluiirc07:51
locusfnice name though07:52
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locusfalthough it reveals absolutely nothing about the software07:52
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Nicd-yeah, it's a stupid name07:54
secGlowing bear is awesome. Using it right now.07:54
Nicd-they just picked the one github's name generator suggested :P07:54
Nicd-anyway, someone should code filter toggling support into GB, then I could toggle my join/parts07:54
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secJust use smart filters?07:56
iekkukimmoli, whowhat?07:57
Nicd-sec: as I said, the thing is I cannot toggle them from GB07:58
Nicd-I liked toggling the smart filter for a buffer using alt-dash07:58
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Pawkyso.. is there anyone in here whos an expert on iwpriv? :-)08:05
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Pawkyanyone an expert on iwpriv wlan0 setMCBCFilter 1 ? :-)08:08
tbryour problem being?08:10
Pawkyit seems to me you cannot change it08:10
tbryour problem being?08:10
Pawkywell... my problem is, i can se the wlan0 receiving the ssdp signals... but the android app never gets it...08:11
Pawkyso, I want to be able to turn it on in some circumstanses, otherwise it shuld be of...08:11
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Pawkythe ssdp stuff that is08:11
Pawkytbr: you see my problem? :-)08:12
tbrso your problem is that the driver filters something that you actually want? and you want to turn it on/off dynamically?08:12
Pawkyyes :-)08:13
Pawkythe Sony Camera with Wifi identifies its devices using ssdp on its wlan... but this never gets to the app...08:13
tbrthen you should know that the QC driver is not really well behaved. IIRC it uses some configuration files or such, somewhere.08:13
Pawkybecause of some strange and undokumented reacon, it gets filterd08:13
Stskeepsdevel-su08:13
Pawkytbr: I am all ears...08:14
tbrI wouldn't be surprised if you can't toggle driver settings in the standard way08:14
PawkyStskeeps: did that08:14
PawkyStskeeps: at the moment it is set to 1...  but i cannot change it..08:14
PawkyI am therefore assuming, its current 1 means its filtering it out..08:14
tbrPawky: I didn't look at it closer on this device. Might want to poke around the filesystem, also the persistent ones where modem firmware lives and such08:15
Pawkytbr: need some guidance... or hints..08:15
Pawkyi mean if you have settings that could be changed, what is blocking it from being so?08:16
PawkyRO area?08:16
Pawkydo i need to do some mount -o remount,rw somewhere, like with android?08:17
tbrno08:18
tbrfirst you need to find files08:18
tbrno need to break your device while searching, duh08:18
Pawkytbr: fair enough..  :-)08:18
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tbralso I don't have #exactsteps as I don't know the answer either08:18
Pawkytbr: fair enough08:18
tbrother options would be to 'strings' the kernel module08:19
Pawkytbr: so.. you are suspecting its  a read only file somewhere?08:19
tbr(as there is no source for it)08:19
Pawkythe latter sounds like another great tip :-)08:19
tbrno I'm not. I'm saying there _might_ be a config file. somewhere on the device.08:19
Pawkybut, one should be able to just poke in proc once found where it is right?08:19
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Pawky(I just know there are people in this forum who knows the answer but are under a NDA... :-/ )08:20
tbrthis is NOT a forum08:21
tbris is SPARTAAA^wIRC08:21
jonwilis the kernel module for wifi open source?08:22
ggabrieltbr: lol, happiness added to my morning08:22
Stskeepsjonwil: no, but i think somebody got the oss one working08:23
Stskeepsit was one of those camels we had to swallow08:23
dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, did you read the pastie ?08:23
tbrjo08:19:11< tbr> (as there is no source for it)08:24
tbrjonwil: ^^08:24
tbrggabriel: happy to entertain08:24
tbrIIRC there are efforts for an OSS wifi driver, but I'm not sure about it's quality.08:25
jonwilsounds like this is one of those wifi chips that have a closed source blob from the vendor and then an open source driver that someone has reverse engineered by studying the hardware and the closed source blob but where the open driver is not yet good enough to replace the closed blob08:25
Stskeepsnop08:25
Stskeepsjonwil: long story short the 4.1.2 adaptation from qc had a closed blob; but then they published the source for 4.2.*08:26
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tbrand there is an unknown diff? :)08:26
jonwilversion 4.1.2 of what? the wifi driver?08:26
tbrandroid08:26
jonwiloh ok08:26
tbrin this world everything relates to the android release08:27
jonwiloh ok08:27
jonwilqc = qualcomm?08:29
Stskeepsyes08:29
Stskeepsalso08:29
Stskeepswe can't easily switch wifi driver because of fun stuff like CE certification08:29
Stskeepsbut08:29
Stskeepsthere's a open driver if people want to use it08:29
Stskeepsit was one of those compromises we had to do to ship08:29
tbrStskeeps: has anyone set up an OBS repo for packaging that module yet?08:30
Stskeepstbr: not sure08:30
tbrwould be a nice thing to do, e.g. in chum08:31
PawkyStskeeps: so.. your suggestion is to change to the open source driver? :-)08:31
Stskeepsno08:31
PawkyStskeeps: so.. what am I to do?08:31
Pawkyenabling it will make Jolla be compatible with lots of peripherals.. :-)08:31
Stskeepspanic?08:31
Stskeeps:P08:31
tbrPawky: keep searching, this discussion is unrelated to your problem08:31
PawkyStskeeps: done that, been there ;_)08:32
r0kk3rzfall into an existential crisis because nobody is telling you what to do?08:32
Pawkyr0kk3rz: very funny...08:32
Stskeepsanyhow, there's posts on this on tjc08:32
Stskeepssearch for multicast08:32
Pawkyr0kk3rz: more... "wheret to go from here"..08:32
PawkyStskeeps: thanks, will do08:33
ggabrielPawky: use an old android/iphone to connect to your camera08:33
PawkyStskeeps: oh... but thats where I got the tip from... but I cannot toggle the flag..08:33
Pawkyggabriel: kind of defeats my purpose..08:33
ggabrielsadly, not everything is perfect08:34
ggabrielwe had this conversation before08:34
ggabrieli blame sony at al for using wifi instead of bluetooth08:34
Pawkyggabriel: well, its quite irritating as the driver fetches the ssdp stuff..08:34
ggabrieli know what you mean08:34
ggabrielbut, like Stskeeps put it, there have been compromises08:34
Pawkyggabriel: well, i believe bluetooth is a bit to slow for live 1920x1080 live streaming..08:34
ggabrielqc et al don't play well with drivers08:34
ggabrielPawky: it's not a matter of belief, it's fast enough, check the specs08:35
r0kk3rzyou can always pioneer the OSS driver for us08:35
* ggabriel doesn't believe any wireless technology is good enough though, fast enough yes, but not good enough for HD08:35
jonwilok, so if there is a 4.2.x driver, why doesn't someone simply backport that to Android 4.1.2 and put it in a repo somewhere. Or is that what people are talking about when they say "oss driver"?08:36
ggabrielr0kk3rz: yeah, but you can't easily change it officially due to certification, correct?08:36
PawkyStskeeps: This doesn't work, but I would very much like it to: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004160.html08:36
Stskeepstogether.jolla.com.08:36
r0kk3rznot officially no08:36
r0kk3rzbut its your device, im sure the certification bodies wont find out unless you tell them08:37
ggabrielr0kk3rz: :)08:37
r0kk3rzbit different for Jolla who needs to pass certs to sell devices08:37
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: getting caught != good08:37
tbrjonwil: yes, it should be simple enough to build the module against the jolla frankenkernel08:37
ggabriellots of things can break tho08:37
PawkyStskeeps: Getting caught, by whom?08:38
r0kk3rzi used the word pioneer for a reason, is probably not going to be easy08:38
StskeepsPawky: well, you don't want to be caught selling a non-certified product in europe08:38
Stskeepsmassive fines..08:38
ggabrielr0kk3rz: yeah, i'd need a second jolla to play with that stuff08:38
PawkyStskeeps: true.. but all I want is my phone, to be able to use my camera..08:38
Pawkyat the moment it just sits on my desk doing nothing... which is kind of sad..08:39
* tbr looks at his second jolla and smiles08:40
r0kk3rzwrite the app already08:40
tbrPawky: and you've been given plenty of hints, yet you chose to still whine here about not being spoon fed a solution to your particular corner case08:41
Pawkytbr: fairh enough...08:41
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ggabriellike r0kk3rz suggests, an alternative is writing a native application08:42
ggabrielinteracting with those devices is easy. well, a bit of reverse engineering to figure out the api, but that's it ;)08:42
Pawkybut just a confirmation it IS doable would do it for me.. then I know my search wont be in vain ;-)08:42
r0kk3rzwe had been discussing that before, and it shouldnt be too hard as the API is known08:42
r0kk3rzthe main trick is the mjpeg stream for the viewfinder, which qt might be able to handle, but might not08:43
ggabrielhow posh, a stream ;)08:44
ggabrielmy gopro saves a snapshot with a couple of seconds of video08:44
ggabrieland you constantly play that08:44
r0kk3rzyeah its not the most complicated of video formats to deal with08:45
r0kk3rzim just a little surprised that something like qtmultimedia or the qcamera objects cant deal with it08:45
r0kk3rzbut not impossible to roll your own08:46
ariselPawky: you did have wifi Problems after your restore?08:46
Pawkyyes08:47
Pawkybecause there were no modules08:47
Pawkylsmod08:47
Pawkyshowed blank08:47
Pawkyremember kernel-header?08:47
ariselPawky: i mounted the fs and did a depmod, after that everything worked fine.08:47
Pawky:-)08:47
ariselPawky: no need to install anything :)08:47
ariselPawky: so I'm back at 95% working again.., btw :)08:48
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Pawkycoderus another successfull image replacement ^^08:49
Pawky:-)08:49
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ariseleven without any data loss.. there's just one thing not working perfect, atm: tidings has problems with it's cache08:58
ggabrielumm that's a deal breaker for me then08:58
ariselggabriel: ??08:59
ggabrielwell, i use tidings a lot :)08:59
ggabrieli'll keep my current version08:59
ariselsame here.. I'll just fix it.. i rescued the data out of my home, but metadata was lost, so i guess that this is just some sqlite-timestamp-stuff..08:59
juicemeheh, first time I had problems installing a SFOS update. Yesterday I went for Uitukka and botched it badly :)09:00
ariselggabriel: wasn't any version-problem.. my phone ran empty and did crash it's filesystem in a non-recoverable way.09:00
ggabrieloh, right09:01
juicemeI guess it was my fault really, I started downloading the update and only after that realised I was on 3G... then turned WLAN on and the downloading speedied up, however that might have cused something09:02
juicemeWhat happened, was that when I had downloaded the update, and started installing it, the process hung somewhere in the middle. after about 15 minutes the devce did a spontaneous restart09:03
juicemeafter that... well it did not come up any longer, just flashed the "Jolla" screen when booted and shut itself down.09:03
juicemewent to repair console and took backups of my /home/nemo and then factory restarted it09:04
juicemewent pretty smooth after that, and now I am at Uitukka.09:04
juicemestill in process of restoring my applications and data :)09:05
juicemeHas anybody else encountered a botched OS update, ever?09:05
Stskeepsyes, but i'm on devel branch09:06
xfade_juiceme: I guess to didn't download all packages when you switched connections..09:07
xfade_juiceme: But usually downloading should stop then and offer you to download again.09:07
Nicd-I wonder how many devices Jolla has totally bricked while developing for the phone... :P09:08
w00tNicd-: if i'm anything to account for, not many09:09
xfade_Nicd-: really bricking devices is rather hard for us.09:09
w00t(0)09:09
juicemexfade_, yes,that's very possible. I did try to re-search for update after the one went thru, but it only offered to start upgrade09:09
xfade_juiceme: Hmm that is weird. What version did you come from?09:09
w00tI only once got a device into an unusable state that I had to reflash fully, and that was because I screwed up the UI and didn't have rescue mode enabled :)09:09
juicemethe previous one, what was it called again?09:10
xfade_1.0.8.21?09:10
juicemexfade_, yes, that one. :)09:10
xfade_Ok, there were some fixes for this behavior done around late summer. But you will only see them from update9 onwards, I guess.09:11
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ariselw00t: do you by accident know if there will be any "official" btrfs rescue option for if the fs dies completly?09:13
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ariselggabriel: deleting ~/.local/share/harbour-tidings/ removes your feeds, but after adding them again, tidings works fine, again.09:18
ariselggabriel: and that is just needed if the sqlite-database which tidings needs is messed up.09:18
ggabrielarisel: thanks09:19
ggabrieli suppose you can back up the config to avoid adding the feeds manually09:19
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ariselggabriel: *nods* i however just added them manually, since i didn't want to dig into it.09:20
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TMavicajuiceme: hi, lol09:29
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juicemeTMavica, hiya :)10:03
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juicemexfade_, it seems to me theres something a bit different in the release9, some UI features missing or not the same way they used to be.10:07
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juicemefor example, I cannot find where to switch on the LPS-like screen10:08
Nicd-you need to do it on the command line10:08
juicemewas it so? I have forgotten how I started it last ton4e :)10:08
Nicd-google jolla glance screen10:08
juicemelast time I mean10:09
juicemethx :)10:09
r0kk3rzyeah thats on tjc somewhere10:09
Yanielmce-tool something10:09
r0kk3rzseemed like it would drain the battery lots though, because its not an amoled screen10:10
juicemealso, it seems I cannot make folders to the applications page?10:10
spiiroinjuiceme: mcetool --set-low-power-mode=enabled10:10
Nicd-r0kk3rz: it doesn't really because it's on for so little time10:10
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juicemespiiroin, thx, just found iy by google10:11
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r0kk3rzoh is it not on all the time?10:13
spiiroinjuiceme: also only "from-pocket" triggering is now enabled by default. to enable also "hover" aka "briefly cover proximity sensor", do: mcetool --set-lpmui-triggering=from-pocket,hover-over10:14
krnlyng2hi, i have an issue with wifi since today, i don't know what happend/or if i did anything which caused it. when i open settings and press on the wifi symbol (which is active) settings crashes. also the symbol on the homescreen for wifi is the one symbol which appears before a connection can be found. i cannot connect to any network. if i open settings->system->wlan it says: "Networking is not available. Please restart device."10:15
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krnlyng2no difference. i've tried running systemctl restart connman-service with no luck, and i've tried to delete /var/lib/connman with no luck either10:15
coderuskrnlyng2: zypper in -f kernel-adaptation-sbj10:15
krnlyng2connman.service*10:15
juicemespiiroin, thx10:15
Nicd-r0kk3rz: it's only on for a few seconds at a time, it uses the proximity sensor to know when10:17
Nicd-r0kk3rz: so for example when you take it from your pocket it will be active for a few seconds10:17
krnlyng2coderus: oh, why that? i cannot connect to any wifi so cannot download the package :(10:18
coderuskrnlyng2: 3G10:18
coderuskrnlyng2: well, try to depmod then10:18
Nicd-krnlyng2: have you tried update 9?10:19
coderuskrnlyng2: check lsmod if wifi module available10:19
krnlyng2Nicd-: i am on update 910:19
coderuskrnlyng2: seems you *8cked modules versioning or so10:19
Nicd-krnlyng2: have you tried restarting networking from sailfish utilities?10:19
coderuskrnlyng2: /sbin/lsmod should show:10:20
coderusModule                  Size  Used by10:20
coderuswlan                 2592646  010:20
coderuscfg80211              144917  1 wlan10:20
juicemeahh, I forfot about the way to create folders, silly me :)10:20
juicemeforgot even10:20
coderusjuiceme: o_O10:20
krnlyng2coderus: cannot connect to 3G either10:20
krnlyng2coderus: yeah lsmod says exactly what you posted10:21
Nicd-krnlyng2: have you tried restarting networking from sailfish utilities?10:21
coderuskrnlyng2: then its connman problem :(10:21
krnlyng2Nicd-: yep no luck either10:21
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ariselcoderus: btw. I'm fine again. Ty for asking.10:23
coderusarisel: :D10:23
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ariselcoderus: :) if someone alse asks: I would suggest mounting the image after writing it to the internal memory and doing a depmod -a. Then tehre won't be wifi problems after reboot. :)10:26
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juicemecoderus, it is not self-evident. Very clever, though :)10:26
coderusarisel: what about depmod after booting and then reboot again? :D10:28
Pawkycoderus: thats a double boot... a bit like double dipping ...10:29
PawkyB-)10:29
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krnlyng2coderus: seems like my universitys wifi crashes something, if i disable the eduroam profile and restart connman it seems to work (haven't tested connecting to a network yet, as there is no other network which i have a password for)10:33
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lpotterknown issue with u9 & eduroam10:35
coderuskrnlyng2: but why 3G not working?10:35
tbrkrnlyng2: there was some activity on the wpa2 enterprise item on TJC recently10:36
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tbrapparently there's a patched connman if you want to install it from someone's OBS repo10:36
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krnlyng2coderus: 3g works now :) (after removing the wifi profiles and restarting connman)10:37
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Pawkykrnlyng2: Have you succeeded to connect to eduroam?...10:39
krnlyng2Pawky: it worked fine prior to update 910:40
ariselkrnlyng2: you configured it manually, i guess?10:40
krnlyng2arisel: yep10:41
ariselkrnlyng2: do you have a guide for that? I did not really need to do so, since normally 3g is fine enough, but eduroam would be nice to have, again :)10:42
Pawkykrnlyng2: I thought one couldnt use WPA-Enterprise10:42
Pawkyhow did you succeed?10:42
krnlyng2arisel, Pawky: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa-8021x-enterprise-others-gui-wifi-support-needed-workaround/10:42
Pawkythanks10:43
ariselkrnlyng2: ty :)10:43
tbrbtw: that connman referenced there is a vanilla build, so should be safe10:43
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ariselkrnlyng2: ok, that is very straight-forward :)10:44
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rhaHi, it seems I (half)bricked my Jolla while upgrading from 1.0.8.19 to 1.1.0.38. I am still not quite sure what I did wrong, but the device doesn't boot up anymore.11:09
juicemerha, just happened to me yesterday :)11:11
rhaSo I booted into the recovery menu and selected the "Reset phone to factory settings" item. But that failed with this: [ERROR] Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing.11:11
rhaI have no idea what that means. Can anybody here help me to unbrick it?11:11
juicemeoho? factory settings worked for meOK11:11
juicemedid you try to go to console to make backups before trying to reset it?11:12
rhajuiceme: Hm. I'd really like to avoid sending in the phone again. I just received it back from a repair (broken speaker).11:12
juicemeas that was the 1st thing I did... booted to console, mounted filesystems and backed up to external computer11:13
coderusrha: do you have something really important to backup?11:13
rhajuiceme: No, I didn't. But it seems the recovery didn't to anything yet.11:14
juicemeI suppose Jonni should know why you cannot do reset11:14
rhacoderus: Actually no. All the really important things are backed up.11:14
mekluI suppose the recovery image doesn't support that11:14
juicememeklu, are there several variants of the recovery image, then?11:15
mekluprobably11:15
mekluhaven't there been cases where people had to do all the software upgrades after a reset?11:15
coderusarisel: you said you mounted image after extracting? what about mounting partition?11:16
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juicemefell, when I reseted it, it booted up as 1.0.0.511:16
mekluI think I've read here that e.g. Optima could flash a new recovery image during repair11:16
coderusyep, i have 1.0.3.8 recovery btw.11:16
juicemeI needed to do one ypgrade to next level (whatever was it) and then I was able to upgrade to Uitukka11:17
ariselcoderus: ??11:17
coderusand new shipped phones have actual (at shipping date) version in recovery also11:17
coderusarisel: ?!?11:17
ariselcoderus: i mounted the image i copied over the defect one, to run depmod and to move my home inside.11:17
coderusarisel: you mounted image to loop?11:18
ariselcoderus: i extraced the defect one before and retrieved what i could salvage from it with various btrfs-tools.11:18
coderuswhy not to mount partition instead of image?11:18
ariselcoderus: yepp, once that, and once again on the phone after cat'ing it to the block device11:19
rhaIt seems my recovery was also updated during repair. Because when I did a factory reset after upgrading to 1.1.0.35 the first time I got back to 1.0.8.19.11:19
ariselcoderus: i couldn't mount the partition on my phone anymore. my btrfs there was totally broken.11:19
coderusarisel: i mean mounting it after writing new image to it11:20
coderusfor doing depmod, i mean11:20
ariselcoderus: i did that.11:20
ariselcoderus: loopback-mount before that was just to see if everything i need is inside11:20
rhaIf I mount my current root partition I can see that I got some of the 1.1.0.38 package already installed (e.g. some qt-5.2 stuff) but only very few. Which is weird since I only downloaded the update but it not yet start it.11:21
coderusarisel: so well, users can depmod when mounted partitoin, not image, right?11:21
ariselcoderus: yepp.11:21
coderusarisel: good :)11:22
ariselcoderus: and if you write a guide, please do not forget, that they should mount the partition to /mnt, then mount the home volume to /mnt/home and then do a chroot /mnt and then do a depmod -a inside :)11:22
arisel(and copy everythin back into their home afterwards :)11:23
coderusarisel: to home? why home?11:23
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ariseli wanted all my calendar entries, phonebook, settings,.... etc back.11:23
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ariselcoderus: i extracted my original home data with btrfs restore /dev/mmcblk0p28.btrfsbin /path/to/my/sd11:25
ariselcoderus: then you end with having directories for every subvolume of the partition11:25
coderusarisel: sure, in case they want to save data :)11:26
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ariselcoderus: true.11:26
ariselcoderus: but i now ended up with just a very single hickup of having to delete one sqlite-db, and everything else survived the broken filesystem11:26
ariselcoderus: so I think that this method is quite succesful :)11:26
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gexc-phonemany patches in patchmanager do not work after the update11:28
coderusgexc-phone: is there any single patch which still working on uitukka? :)11:28
gexc-phonecould reinstalling solve that?11:28
coderusgexc-phone: of course no11:28
coderusgexc-phone: patches are not universal11:29
juicemegexc-phone, when the qml's in the device change due to update, of course the patches don't aply any longer :) :)11:29
juicemewhat you can do, of course is to patch manually.11:29
coderusarisel: well, i think its you should write instruction for your method, and we will see then how its applicable for end users11:30
ariselcoderus: no problem. but it still includes getting an image from somewhere..11:30
coderusjuiceme: i think he cant :)11:30
juicemeedit the qml's with vi while looking at the patch file. That's what I always do, to see myself what has changed :)11:30
coderusarisel: sure :)11:30
ariselcoderus: if you did not create one by yourself before crashing :)11:30
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gexc-phone😰11:30
coderusjuiceme: vi :D11:31
mekludepends on the changes ;)11:31
juicemecoderus, sure, as I don't have emacs on my device :)11:31
mekluif they're not affecting the same parts that the patch is, then it can apply with some fuzz11:31
coderusarisel: did you tried sailfish-snapshot tool by any chance?11:31
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mekluI would be concerned if I were to have emacs on my device11:31
mekluI don't need a *third* OS on it ;)11:32
ariselcoderus: i could not even boot the device anymore..11:32
juicememeklu, huh?11:32
ariselcoderus: and had not tried it before :(11:32
mekluSailfish + AlienDalvik ( + emacs)11:32
juicememeklu, sure emacs _can_ be used as an OS but you don't _need_ to do that...11:32
joonahoimeklu: emacs might have sailfish plugin11:32
meklugood old meta shift c x sailfish11:33
mekluoops, forgot a few ctrls and alts there11:33
joonahoiyup, can't see super either11:33
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juicemetoo late, lost your edits already :) :)11:34
ariselcoderus: but it would not have worked to restore it without new image, as the snapshots have not been accessible anymore, due to the root not being able to mount and btrfs does not allow to access snapshots when not mounted :(11:34
gexc-phoneso is it necessary to remove patchmanager before manually applying patches?11:34
coderusgexc-phone: sure, or it will blow your mind :)11:34
juicemegexc-phone, no, it is an alternate way of doing it11:35
Morpog_PCjust wait for updated patchmanager and updated patches11:35
gexc-phoneLOL11:35
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juicemegexc-phone, now you have got *3* pieces of expert advice, all differing :)11:35
juicemethat's what you easily get, :p11:36
gexc-phonegreat 😄11:36
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ariselcoderus: there would be an extreme way of salvaging using btrfs-image, but that also does only work if you have an image available before crashing.11:36
juicemebut seriously, the advice of Morpog_PC is the one you should heed.11:36
gexc-phonemaybe11:37
r0kk3rzi just dont use patch manager11:37
r0kk3rzthen you dont have any problems11:37
juicemeI myself of course always patch by hand, but that is as I want to know how the patches woirk11:37
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gexc-phoneso it is the manager that's broken after the update?11:39
rhaIt seems the factory snapshots on my root are still ok. So might it help to just copy them to / and home?11:39
juicemegexc-phone, might be, but most certainly the patches are11:39
juicememight even be the manager is OK for all I know11:39
Morpog_PCstill I would wait for a manager that is built against uituuka11:40
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juicemebut the thing with the patches is, they are just language, a way to modify the qml files11:40
gexc-phonethanks, I'll do some digging after getting to my PC11:41
juicemeso if you know qml, then looking at patches you know how you should modify the files11:41
Morpog_PCbut you have to remember what you did :D11:41
juicemeand sometime make the patches work a bit nicer, or change them the way I want the device to behave.11:41
gexc-phoneLOL11:41
juicemeMorpog_PC, I always take backups of the files I modify :)11:42
rhaJonni: juiceme mentioned you might be able to help me?11:42
Morpog_PCbackups are always good :D11:42
juicemeyes, andcost next to nothing11:42
gexc-phoneif the patch breaks the UI, can I ssh into the phone and get it recovered11:42
juicemesure11:43
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gexc-phonecool11:43
juicemeyou just have to know what you broke, to fix it :)11:43
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Nicd-whoa11:45
Nicd-gift voucher11:45
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alifakhruddin_hey Sailors11:45
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Nicd-that is good for multiple phones AND they will send you an aloe OH free if someone uses it11:45
Nicd-gotta tell my mom to buy hers now :P11:46
juicemeho, indeed. Now I'd need to know somebody about to buy one :)11:46
ariselNicd-: do i have to check my mail? :)11:46
Nicd-arisel: yes11:46
juicemearisel, mail just came in :)11:46
Nicd-it's only valid until november 2nd though, so not much time11:46
alifakhruddin_i was lucky.enough to get my hands soon after purchasing from India11:46
ariselyay!11:46
alifakhruddin_have u guys updated the Opt-in 1.111:47
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Nicd-yes11:48
Morpog_PCsure11:48
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alifakhruddin_aah great11:48
* Morpog_PC thinks about gifting a Jolla to himself for nemomobile stuff :D11:48
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SK_workMorpog_PC: gifting a jolla to self ?11:49
Morpog_PCwell, why not? :D11:50
SK_work:D11:50
Morpog_PCif it doesn't work, I just register my dad :D11:50
SK_work:D11:50
SK_workI'm puzzled by the gitf to self11:51
SK_workpart11:51
SK_work:D11:51
Nicd-aaand Morpog_PC's voucher was just invalidated ;)11:51
Morpog_PCbenefit: fresh Jolla for outside, used Jolla for nemo experiments11:51
Morpog_PClol11:51
Morpog_PCSK_work, didn't read you email yet?11:52
Morpog_PC100€ voucher11:52
SK_workemail ?11:52
SK_workwhere ?11:52
Morpog_PCfrom Jolla11:52
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SK_workha ?11:52
SK_workprobably missed it11:52
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Morpog_PC5 minutes ago11:52
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* Morpog_PC imagines SK_work crawling in his spam folder11:54
pvanhoofApparently SailfishOS got translated in a mass mail to Dutch Jolla owners. Resulting in a rather silly Zeilvis translation. You don't have to translate nouns in Dutch guys. We're not French :)11:54
Morpog_PCso SK_work does patchmanager need an update or just the patches?11:54
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SK_workMorpog_PC: will do this this we11:55
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SK_workI do need to review all the patches I maintain11:55
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Morpog_PCI don't mind, I don't use it, we just had a conversation about it a few minutes ago11:56
SK_work:)11:56
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r0kk3rztempting to get a cheap(er) jolla, but mines not that old12:01
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Sail0rhmmm do i need a second jolla? ^^12:03
Morpog_PCnemomobile :)12:03
ggabrielpretty much a must if you wanna play i'd say12:03
r0kk3rzor, can you buy 100e worth of covers for free, and then get a free aloe cover12:04
ggabrieland if you want them to work in cluster, you may need 3!12:04
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rhaFYI, I was just able to fix my problem with the non-booting Jolla. As my installation as still pretty fresh it was easy to figure out the difference between the factory-@ and @ subvolumes. In the end it seems I just had a new too new qt libs installed (from the 1.1.0.38 update) but the rest was still at 1.0.8.21.12:19
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rhaSo I just copied the old libs from the factory snaphot into the current one and the phone booted again.12:20
rha*phew*12:20
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r0kk3rzhttps://together.jolla.com/question/60441/release-notes-hotfix-for-opt-in-update9-version-11039/12:24
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r0kk3rzfix for uitukka12:24
xfade_rha: were you installing something while you started the OS update?12:25
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rhaxfade_: I didn't really start the update (I just had it downloaded). And then I switch on developer mode, which seemed to have installed some rpm.12:27
pdanekIs Sailfish using some stuff from Plasma Active? Or at least inspiring by it?12:27
rhaxfade_: At the same time also some update packages got installed it seems. At least that's what rpm -qa --last showed.12:28
xfade_rha: right, ok that issue we already worked on..12:28
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rhaxfade_: Ok. Good to know.12:28
xfade_rha: should not happen for the next update as the fix should be in this one. (Doesn't help you now of course)12:28
rhaxfade_: Yeah, but luckily I was able to recover and now I a pretty sure I won't do that again ;)12:30
Nicd-update time \o/12:33
Nicd-(uitukka hotfix)12:33
Sceltbadgers are jumping all over12:33
Sceltoh, the joy12:33
tigeli:D12:33
Nicd-mushroom mushroom12:34
SceltI'm yelling "mushroooooooooooom" as I stare the update progress bar12:34
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PawkyNicd-: up to date :-(12:34
mekludid you check updates?12:34
Pawkyohh.. is uitukka version 9 ?12:34
mekluyup12:35
mekluyou'd have to opt in for that12:35
Pawkywell that explains things ;-)12:35
xfade_Pawky: 1.1.0.38 -> 1.1.0.3912:35
Pawkyi know.. i will wait until have taken a full dd of my current mmcblk0p28 ;-)12:35
Pawkylessons learned...12:35
SK_workMorpog_PC: got the mail just now ...12:36
r0kk3rzthis is a much lighter update12:36
r0kk3rz6mb, i think it only patches conman as opposed to *everything*12:36
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pdanekIs Younited native app being developed?12:39
mekluno clue12:40
mekluit was supposed to have some (at least) pseudo-native integration at some point in the future12:40
coderusjuiceme: 1.1.0.39? wtf?12:41
Nicd-hmmmm I got a second voucher12:43
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Nicd-coderus: uitukka hotfix12:44
Nicd-just released12:44
coderusNicd-: ah :)12:45
coderusokay, can anyone use my voucher for byuing jolla for me and use that discounter for shipping purpose?12:46
ggabrieloh no, now we're going to have 10 social media threads saying that jolla released 2 updates in a week12:46
ggabrielbrace yourselves12:46
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the_mgtis there an easy way to add a simple .ical file as a calendar? with user/password auth?13:08
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SK_workthe_mgt: no sadly13:22
SK_workthere is no "remote ical"13:22
SK_workonly caldav13:22
the_mgtis google calendar really caldav? they offer .ics files, too, iirc13:23
Raimyou could export to .ics, but it's not very useful for synchronization as you would always have to download the full file on each update13:25
the_mgtin google? iirc, there is an ics file you can include in outlook, for example. it should be autoupdating13:28
Raimdoes it actually include all events from all the years?13:30
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the_mgtRaim: I do not use google13:32
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RaimI am just wondering. this might be okay for Outlook on stable network connection. but it does not sound like a good idea to download a large file over mobile internet on each sync instead of a smarter protocol doing incremental updates.13:33
the_mgtyes, there are all kind of possibilites for a major fubar. lost update, etc13:34
the_mgtbut for my limited calendars, it is all I need13:34
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Sail0rYAAY pebble working again19:56
r0kk3rzyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay19:57
Sail0rthx to https://github.com/smokku/pebble/pull/2419:58
sippiswooop \o/19:59
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Yanielopted in to uitukka20:15
Yanielcurrently preparing for armageddon20:15
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Sail0rlol20:17
r0kk3rzthe major issues have already been hotfixed20:20
r0kk3rzwell, connman anyway20:20
AL13Nkimmoli: isn't it possible to add obsolete rpm tags to paint? or is this something that Harbour should fix?20:23
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kimmolii dont know20:23
tevedoes this really mean that up from pre uitukka to the "stable" one requires "firmware" reflash instead of connman rpm update?20:23
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* pahartik fighting to defeat "connman"20:38
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Yanielthe new supervillain20:49
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pahartikYaniel: For example, I think it prevents me from deleting default IPv4 route...21:17
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Yanieldownloaded & installing21:32
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Yanielwow this feels fast21:57
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pahartikYaniel: What happened?21:57
okuare there still many broken apps at the moment?21:57
okuwith uitukka21:58
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tadzikya21:59
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ahjolinnahttp://www.ekoparty.org/charlas-2014.php?a=2014&c=cyan&m=58722:33
petantikSo. My jolla account email has  the form a+b@gmail.com ... Do I need to match this exactly when opting in for update 9, and how can i do this from a gmail account if anyone knows?22:35
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petantikNever mind. You need to add it as another email in send mail as. http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/3598/is-there-any-way-to-send-an-email-from-a-gmail-plus-address22:38
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pdanekDoes anyone here use mykolab?23:33
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