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Ezkothank you all for helping00:02
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falfaI don't use the "small swipe" in the apps overview00:08
falfaMaybe i should start doing that00:08
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Ezkofalfa: small swipe?00:14
falfaYeah. In the view of all apps running, each app have a choice of letting you do a left- or right-swipe00:17
Ezkooh right00:17
falfainstead of raising the app00:17
Ezkowhich browser do you use?00:17
Ezkothe native one seems a bit odd00:17
falfait is00:18
falfabut the native in android is too00:18
falfathe web is broken, that is why00:18
falfaits not the browsers fault00:18
Ezkoi don't use native browser in android though :P00:18
Ezkoyeah i was just wondering if you or anyone knows of any good alternative00:19
falfai spent 2 minutes tryin one called cat or something...00:19
Ezko:P00:20
falfawebcat, at least its different00:20
Ezkoi guess i'll get used to it00:20
Ezkoi don't use the browser on my phone a lot anyway00:20
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falfai do more and more :-(00:24
Ezko:P00:25
Ezkowell actually i might start using it more now that my i have a phone with a screen that isn't tiny00:25
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PawkyMaybe it's time for the finnish developers to stop giving their apps finnish names. All we end up with are for the rest of the world some unpronoucable and alien words with icons  to where you have no clue what its about. The only way to find out would be to click on each and everyone of them, which is tedious, uninspiring and counter productive...05:51
Pawky... or have I all these years just missed out some parameter that will change all this?05:51
PawkyI thought it was kind of cute in the beginning, but now its not as fun any more...05:52
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tigeliPawky: why do think those names would mean anything even to native Finns?-)06:15
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Pawkytigeli: LOL :-)06:16
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Nicd-Pawky: how would you name a WeeChat relay client?06:59
Nicd-I have a name but it's immature and probably won't pass harbour QA :P06:59
Nicd-so I need a better one06:59
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PawkyNicd-: why not name it weechat?07:00
Nicd-because it's not weechat07:00
Nicd-it's a relay client FOR weechat07:00
PawkyNicd-: weeclient?07:00
PawkyNicd-: weerclient07:00
PawkyNicd-: weirclient07:01
Pawkyweir(d)client07:01
Armadillolol07:01
Armadillomorning guys07:01
Pawkymorning07:01
tbrthe theme has been beaten to death, but how about WeeSail?07:02
Nicd-I don't like sail since half of the apps are named *Sail*07:03
Pawky"weircsail ?07:03
tbrthat's the "beaten to death" part, yes07:03
Pawkyweirdsail07:03
Pawkythat D just got to be in there... ;-)07:03
tbrNicd-: oh, I know, go for something totally unrelated, like the name of a finnish mountain or something...07:03
Pawkytbr: LOL07:04
tadzikweelay? :)07:04
tbrI'm sure everyone would love to have an app named "Korvatunturi"07:04
Nicd-heheh07:04
Nicd-tadzik: ! that's closer07:04
tadziktbr: yeah, that would be terrible, good thing we don't have that kind of situation yet...07:04
tadzikright? right? :P07:04
PawkyNicd-: I know, name it scuba-diver in finnish.... orheilo sukkel... something :-)07:04
l1piweirdfish :)07:05
Pawky+107:05
Pawky:-)07:05
Pawkywerefishing07:05
tadzikNicd-: how about jupia? It's a short for "Just Publish It Already" :P07:05
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Pawkyhow about my_wee_client_that_uses_irc, that will be about the same size as an average finnish word.... B-)07:07
tadzikI like naming my projects after random animals, they're totally unrelated but at least easy to remember07:07
tadzikNicd-: anyway, now you have to tell us just how immature the original idea was :P07:08
tbrtadzik: your sailfish apps should then use random animal names in finnish. ;)07:08
Nicd-tadzik: haha. currently it's called WeeCRApp and that's all kinds of wrong07:08
Nicd-but it totally innocently stands for WeeChat Relay App07:09
tbrNicd-: it's not as punny as IoToilets though07:09
Pawkyyea,and don't forget to throw in a few chinese characters to go with it...07:09
mekluICBINABC07:10
meklu"I can't believe it's not a bouncer client!"07:10
tbrYABC07:10
Nicd-tbr: it's not a bouncer ;)07:10
tbrYAWC07:11
mekluYak07:11
mekluJakki07:11
Nicd-YAWN = Yet Another Weird Name?07:11
tbrif you backronym it somehow  YAWN07:11
meklu"YAWN Ain't Worth Nuffink"07:12
meklurecursive backronyms07:12
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tbrNicd-: terribly punny: Hello-Wee-N08:02
mekluthat sounds like it could infringe a trademark or two08:03
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nanderIs there an estimate for the next jolla update?08:22
nanderI needs carddav08:22
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joonahoinander: is the carddav support in Uitukka?08:23
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joonahoiyou can opt-in for that release already08:23
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pcfeah crud, yes, still need to do that. this ipt-in business is a bit of a PITA though, it sounded so good "one update a month"08:28
pcfeguess too any muggles that complain about every single change, get these at work sometimes08:28
entilto be fair, it's a big-ass update08:28
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stephgyup08:29
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pcfewell, to me it's also a geek phone, sometimes shit breaks08:48
pcfeI'll be recommending this to muggles at iteration 2 or 308:49
pcfewhere muggle == the kind of people that get confused wnen Apple or Google move icons around in  their mobile OS08:49
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JopeI'm not sure whether those people can be helped08:52
Jopethe nokia asha line would have been perfect for them08:52
Jopebut it was a bit too crap after all :-D08:52
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stephg\o/ u10 feature list is out09:02
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Nicd-link link link link09:02
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stephghttps://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/005168.html09:03
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Nicd-woooo call silence09:03
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* pcfe reads. Thanks stephg09:05
Temehmm, i actually find flipping unnecessary09:05
Temewith the snooze09:06
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Temethe current alarm is already so easy to just flick up or down when you are in bed :D09:06
pcfeI, for one, welcome that feature. Every phone that lacks it gets a bit on my nerves09:06
Temeonly problem is to remember the direction09:06
fluxI would like the alarm to automatically go silent just when you touch the phone (but keep vibrating & displaying it)09:07
pcfeI like that changelog, but forst to put Uitukka on mine I guess09:07
fluxI remember mentioning it somewhere at tjc, but I don't think there's a question for it :)09:07
stephgTeme the alarm took me a long time to master ;)09:07
Teme:D09:08
pcfeflux: that sounds nice too, but being already bad at the snooze game, I guess if it was just a touch anywhere I'd never wake up ;-) (I have managed to get out of bed, snooze an alarm on the other side of the room, get back to bed and wake up 2-3 hours later, not remembering the snooze action)09:08
Temei am not proud i've mastered snoozing :)09:08
fluxpcfe, well, it could just last for 20 seconds or so09:09
JopeI don't use snooze myself :-)09:09
Jopewhat self betrayal :-)09:09
Temei use two alarm mechanisms, my phone and pc09:09
Temepc forces me out of bed09:09
fluxpcfe, in any case, it would provide a fast way to first make it shut up and then do the actual acknowledgement :)09:09
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pcfemy bedside clock is better at this, it does not snooze, you prss the button, it's off until next morning (this is by design)09:09
pdanekI always setup multiple alarms.09:09
pcfeflux: as I said, it sounds like a good feature, just not for me personally09:10
fluxwe have a sunrise clock that basically wakes us up and then the phone says when to get out of bed09:10
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TemeVbut snooze alarm by flipping works already, why is it in the todo list?09:11
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joonahoirelated: https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/53014442039431577609:12
pcfeflux: sounds like my Axbo09:12
fluxyes, though ours controls a lamp that's directed directly towards our heads :)09:13
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fluxso there are the plans for u10, but when is u9 generally available?-)09:14
SK_workflux: maybe never ?09:14
SK_workmaybe it will be released as u10 ?09:14
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locusfu9 is released opt-in only, u10 generally available to all09:15
pdanekis u9 being opt-only exception09:15
pdanekor this will happen often?09:15
pdaneklike people who move to u10, soon there will be opt-only u11?09:16
Armadillou9 brings the beta upgrade to QT5.2 which is a very big change09:16
Armadilloso I think this could happen on every big update09:16
fluxthis means current developers will use versions that few non-developer will likely ever use ;)09:17
ArmadilloI like it, because I could adapt my applications to the new versions before all users complain that nothing is working with the new update and I'm in a hurry to fix this asap09:17
fluxfair point09:18
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pcfe*nod* Armadillo makes the best point for an opt-in release09:25
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pdanekStrange feeling.09:36
pdanekI just gave my resignation at work now.09:36
pdanekIt's good for me, but still it's an odd feeling, leaving a company after 5 years.09:36
pdanekI'm happy and sad at the same time.09:37
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Stskeepsso it goes09:39
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r0kk3rzpdanek: know them feels09:40
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pcfepdanek: understandable. Hopefully they set you free for the remainder of your contract period, some of the nicer employers (and some of the really paranoid ones) do that. I'd picture the last weeks of work where one knows it's all pointlessto be worse than the feeling after handing in the letter09:40
pdanekActually I decided to leave sooner than a new job is starting.09:41
pdanekTo have some time off.09:41
pdanekSo 1 month vacation!09:41
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r0kk3rzgood move09:45
r0kk3rzalways nice to have some time off09:45
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pdanekOnce I left a job on Friday and started a new one, in different location, on Monday.09:50
pdanekSo just 1 weekend off for relocation (moving to new city and flat).09:50
pdanekIt was terrible09:50
pdanekso in hurry09:50
pdanekI was not performing well in the new job09:50
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Ezkodoes anyone use spotify on jolla?11:32
Temewasn't there some sort of unofficial native client too ?11:33
Temeunofficial in the sense it was made by some engineers from spotify but not as spotify11:33
Temehttps://openrepos.net/content/elleo/cutespotify11:34
Ezkoyeah i found out something about that but just wanted opinions on if someone has something that definitely works11:34
mekluunofficial clients need a premium subscription11:35
mekluor w/e paid one you needed11:35
Ezkoyeah i got it11:35
r0kk3rzEzko: the android app works fine11:36
TemeVcutespotify works just fine for me11:36
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r0kk3rzbut i dont really like spotify11:37
Tomothere, to avoid confusion with TemeV ;)11:37
TemeVthough my usecase is quite simple, I just listen to playlists I've created earlier11:37
TemeVTomo: thanks :)11:37
EzkoTemeV: yeah i don't make playlists on my mobile devices either so that's fine11:37
Ezkoguess i'll try cutespotify11:38
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ElleoEzko: you'll want this version of cutespotify for newer sailfish releases: https://openrepos.net/content/lukedirtwalker/cutespotify12:08
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EzkoElleo: hmm, i think i installed an older version12:17
Ezkothanks12:17
Ezkohow can i remove the old one before installing the new one?12:17
Nicd-from the app grid?12:17
Ezkooh it works just like that, thanks12:18
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Mirvupdate10's zram sounds very interesting12:55
r0kk3rzi didnt think they would roll zram in already12:56
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Mirvso Soumya says https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/005168.html12:58
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r0kk3rzgood stuff13:02
r0kk3rzmaybe the memory issues backed them into a bit of a corner though13:02
Stskeepscorner? pfft, this is more like a grave13:03
Stskeeps:P13:03
r0kk3rzsounds like you've been busy anyway Stskeeps13:03
PawkyWhy does no phone, who all have light sensors have an option where the alarm turns of when a light goes on...13:04
Pawky?13:04
entilI have an alarm clock with a built-in light to make it easier to wake up13:05
Pawkywell.. same, but totally different...13:05
entilwell, that's not the reason obviously :D but it's not useful for everyone13:05
PawkyI would say, its not usefull every time, but many times :-)13:05
entilso maybe no one thought of it13:06
entilyeah13:06
entilagree13:06
entilit would also have to ignore light coming through windows13:06
Pawkysomething like... alarm goes on, if A) big change lin light or B) pressing some button etc, then alarm of13:06
entilif it reacted on a strong enough change in luminance then it'd work even with my wake-up alarm13:06
Pawky:-)13:06
PawkyI just thougt about it this morning...13:07
TofeMirv: wow, I didn't know this kind of communication existed on the ML; I definitely need to subscribe then13:07
Pawkybecause sometimes I accidentally choose snooze, and then the phone rings again, for nothing when being up13:07
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r0kk3rzMirv: interesting that the next focus is on supporting different screen resolutions13:10
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tbrr0kk3rz: there are many sailfish community ports to different resolutions, makes sense13:12
Stskeepsand good platform hygiene anyway13:12
tbrr0kk3rz: also I'd expect their next device to have somewhat higher res, so starting this well in time prevents pain later on13:12
r0kk3rzoh its definitely important for the longevity of sailfish13:12
r0kk3rzbut something that wont actually impact current jolla owners13:13
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chem|stTofe: frequent steering updates on ML15:20
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silver_hookWhich phones (apart from Jolla) does SailfishOS run on nicely?18:01
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Morpog_PC__nexus 4 and 518:09
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Morpog_PC__silver_hook, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris18:10
silver_hookMorpog_PC__: Thanks.18:10
silver_hookDoes it run fine on the Nexus 4?18:10
Morpog_PC__haven't tried myself, you could check xda-developers forum18:11
Morpog_PC__lots of users there18:11
Morpog_PC__you can even dual boot it with android18:11
silver_hookMorpog_PC__: Thanks :)18:11
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mkollarodoes anybody know where I could find a list of theme images? (i.e. where can I get other icons like "image://theme/icon-cover-next" which is used in the example of a first jolla qt app)20:11
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mkollarowell, if anybody is interested, I found them in "/usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons", though I'm sure there is some better way to get them20:22
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silver_hookmkollaro: I imagine user icons should therefore be in a folder similar to “~/.share/themes/jolla-ambient/………”20:24
silver_hookor “~/.local/share/themes/jolla-ambient/………”20:25
silver_hookI don’t have a Jolla to check (yet) though.20:25
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mkollaroI guess there should be some link in the home dir like you say, though I can't find it (/home/nemo/.gconf/desktop/jolla/theme seems to only contain gconf files)20:29
mkollarosilver_hook: you could install the sdk with an emulator ;)20:29
silver_hookmkollaro: Or try to get a phone ;)20:32
mkollarosilver_hook: what's stopping you?20:35
silver_hook20:35
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silver_hook…and until yesterday, the fact that both my personal and work mobile phone were still working.20:36
* silver_hook is now waiting if his employer approves buying a Jolla + TOHKBD ☺20:36
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mkollarosilver_hook: but you know that you can get a 100€ discount coupon until Monday, right?20:37
silver_hookmkollaro: Yes, but my employer doesn’t know that …and I told him that I get a 100 € discount if I also get a TOHKBD ;)20:38
fennekkibut a 100€ discount + TOHKBD is only a little bit more than the standard price for a jolla? or did they run outta the 120€ ones too20:38
mkollarowhat kind of employer buys you a phone anyway? :D20:38
silver_hookBTW, if by a freak chance you didn’t know: if you pre-order the (fully assembled) Keyboard other half [TOHKBD], Jolla gives you a 100 € discount if you buy a new phone.20:38
silver_hookmkollaro: The phone you need for work? That should be normal.20:39
mkollarosilver_hook: ah. I'm from a country where they'd give you some old brick in that case20:40
fennekkimkollaro: pretty much anyone that expects you to have a smartphone20:40
silver_hookfennekki: They haven’t yet, but the full pre-order price is 130 €, so still very good. And the TOHKBD coupon will be valid for longer AFAIK.20:41
fennekkiWell! That sounds like it could even work.20:41
silver_hookmkollaro: Heh, let’s say that they did that to me the last two times, now I’m asking for fair treatment …can’t go around all serious looking and promote Free Software with a DumBrick™.20:42
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attahkimmoli: ping20:47
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kimmoliattah gone...21:23
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kimmolimeh&pöh, deadkeys etc do not work with uinput.22:49
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