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pdanekWhy is Jolla so much cheaper in India?00:07
pdanekIs it because of lower tax?00:07
fennekkicould be, or maybe the shipping costs are lower, or something00:08
ln-because indians don't have as much money to spend on phones as europeans do.00:08
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EztranSnapdeal are reselling it. I'd guess they've bought up loads, hence lower price to resell.00:10
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pdanekln-: that would mean that basically Europeans pay for Indians, because if one is intentionally cheaper, the other, with higher margin, pays it off00:12
pdanekterrible idea00:12
pdanekEztran: but so dramatically lower price? :O00:13
EztranThey buy loads, they likely get wholesale-equivalent price from Jolla, they sell at lower markup than Jolla do, because that's standard in India. Certainly a higher drop than I'd have expected, though.00:14
ln-pdanek: i haven't looked at other phone brands' prices, but i wouldn't fall off my chair out of surprise if other phones were also cheaper in india than in europe.00:14
pdanekIn-: world is not nearly as globalized as it should be in 201400:15
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Eztranbusiness is global only when that increases profit?00:15
pdanekI guess.00:16
ln-pdanek: i bet even within europe prices for the same product differ between countries, though maybe not for jolla.00:18
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pdanekyea, and why is it? taxes? how large batch the country can order? some certification fees?00:19
pdanekif it is because: "the country" can afford it, while other cannot, then it's like "fuck you" in customers face00:20
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pdanekah, sorry for the f word00:20
ln-taxes, but also what people can afford to pay. and i'm not talking about only phones, but things like food.00:20
pdanekyea, I always don't understand how same Coca Cola can cost so differently across Europe00:22
pdanekit's not fair00:22
ln-maybe you should read some book or article about economics. (i can't recommend any, sorry)00:23
pdanekif companies cannot afford the "cheap" price across the world, or want higher margins in specific markets, it basically means that people pay for goods of other people00:24
pdanekfor those who can't afford00:24
pdanekso everyone is actually charity00:24
pdanekinteresting00:24
pdanekor no00:25
ln-well, yes, but it is not mandatory to buy coca cola. and the coca cola company is not a charity, they want your money.00:25
pdanekyea, but still00:25
pdanekwhy shops just don't buy Coca Cola in different country00:25
w00tthey often do00:26
pdanekand sell for a lot more00:26
pdanekeveryone wants money00:26
pdanek:(00:26
pdanek btw00:26
pdanekIceland is country with highest consumption of Coke per capita00:26
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jonwilthey must have a massive obesity problem then00:54
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entilwe finns do that all the time with estonia06:16
entiland havin different prices for different customer groups is called picce discrimination06:17
tbrand the business side calls it: market segmentation06:18
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entilso I installed the younited client06:30
entildon't really know what to say... I guess continuous syncing requires at least alien dalvik, more likely also the younited app to run?06:30
Nicd-yeah you need to keep the app open afaik06:31
Nicd-it doesn't even find all of my pictures :D06:31
Nicd-guess I should restart dalvik06:31
entilmy two cents on the whole topic is that someone screwed up and someone else remembered half-accidentally that there was a promised younited client, and someone hacked together support for accessing the gallery from alien dalvik, and that client's a panic solution06:32
entilanyone know if there's work being done on a native solution?06:33
Nicd-they did say better integration is coming06:33
okuentil: don't think so. They made their "promise" and then forget about it?06:33
entilwhat does that mean? between the android app or a real native client?06:33
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entiloku: forget, deprioritize, have to accept some difficulties - all that happens and gives essentially the same non-result06:34
Stskeepseverything is a weighing, does fixing crippling slowdowns have more priority than a service integration, etc..06:34
entilyeah06:34
okuentil: yep06:34
entilso I'm happy to have even this06:34
Stskeepsthat said, it could probably be better06:35
entilbut if jolla or f-secure is working on a native client (if that's what "better integration" means) there's no use in even considering something open-source native06:35
okuI'm happy to have my own cloud storage not having to care about crappy third parties prioritizing :p06:35
okuAnd that one I can really rely on knowing the service won't stop some day without asking me ;)06:36
entila native owncloud client exists for sailfish?06:36
pp_well, f-secure's cloud team is strategic rightsizing ATM so a marginal platform may not be in their priorities :-)06:36
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entilhehe, I trust f-secure not to be hacked as fast as anything I host myself, also I don't have the hardware resources that f-secure has, so I'm not sure I'd trust anything of my own as much06:36
okuDon't know about that. I use just sshfs. Works with my laptop and jolla :)06:36
entiltoo haxor06:37
entilthis is a phone, not slackware in 199806:37
okuit is a phone, but a powerful one, in means of software :)06:37
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entilpp_: the next question is then about whether or not the younited storage api is public enough for someone to open a new project, because based on what stskeeps said and the fact it launched through android, I doubt jolla has any incentive to push for a client06:38
Stskeepsnono, don't take anything i say as official here06:38
entilok06:38
entilI can't find anything through google that would promise "better integration" with younited06:39
okuwell younited is a quite new service06:39
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entil"Our next step is to integrate the client even closer into the Sailfish OS." http://blog.younited.com/2014/10/03/the-wait-is-over-younited-for-jolla-is-here/06:41
entilgoogled a bit wrong06:41
entilmeh06:41
Nicd-yay, restarting dalvik fixed younited06:41
entilif that means integrating the android client I don't know wtf to say or do :D06:41
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Stskeepsmorn Sfiet_Konstantin06:42
okudon't expect too much so you won't be disappointed :)06:42
Stskeepsexpectation management is probably one of the hardest ever things in this day and age06:42
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning Stskeeps06:42
entil"pessimisti ei pety" - "the pessimist does not get disappointed"06:42
okuentil: exactly06:43
entilit would appear that f-secure isn't particularly concerned about people reverse-engineering the web api; http://community.f-secure.com/t5/Using-younited/Is-there-an-API-for-younited/td-p/3869706:43
entilunlike, say, whatsapp :D06:44
entilStskeeps: does alien dalvik do gcm?06:45
Stskeepswhat's gcm?06:46
Stskeepssorry, not too deep into dalvik06:46
entilgoogle cloud messaging06:46
Stskeepsthat smells like google services, so not officially06:46
entilan eternally open socket that's used for http and/or xmpp06:46
entilbut afaict there shouldn't be a technical reason not to support it06:47
entilbecause it's just marketing bollocks for "open socket"06:47
Stskeepsprobably06:47
Stskeepsreminds me of something06:47
entilmaybe it's provided by google play or something and just requires me to have an account06:47
entilI'm looking to replace whatsapp/mitakuuluu with textsecure, but that communicates over gcm and there's no one to test with :D That's why I'd like to know it's technically feasible first06:48
entilthey have websocket support in their server so implementing a native client might be feasible in n to n+1 months06:48
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Tegudoes anybody else have weird artifacts with some videos? for example, this actually seems to be a video instead of a gif (imgur's gifv which is renamed mp4) http://m.imgur.com/gallery/Qsy503m06:50
_CvP_entil any news why ther block us?06:51
Tegubut I've seen it in some other videos, too06:51
entil_CvP_: the terms of service prohibit using a third-party client apparently.. I only figured they forbid reverse-engineering, but can't be arsed06:51
entiltheir business is privacy infringement and if they don't want my messages for free, they can just as well snoop someone else06:52
entilthat's why textsecure (or maybe telegram) would be so interesting06:52
_CvP_hmm06:52
_CvP_but if i use the f**king android app, this will be work?06:53
entil"maybe"06:54
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_CvP_.... but no thanks06:54
entilpeople have reported (see github issue) that if they install the android app, and send an email through it, they have been unblocked06:54
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entilwith the warning that there will be no second chance if they're caught using mitakuuluu or another 3rd party ever again06:54
_CvP_lol ok06:55
entil_CvP_: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/27806:56
Tegujust realized that I might take a screenshot of the artifacts as well: http://i.imgur.com/YFgwwQ1.jpg  anyone seen similar?06:57
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Teguthose red/green/yellow tilted "shadows"06:58
jonwilHow are they detecting 3rd party clients?06:59
entiljonwil: protocol changes06:59
entilpeople use the old protocol -> busted06:59
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entilanyway gtg ->06:59
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_CvP_damn cant send a email because no email Client installed (android). you know the email adress from whatsapp?07:04
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_CvP_ah i have it mailto:support@whatsapp.com07:07
tbrtemporarily install K9?07:07
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_CvP_nope dont need it anymore :) now i am waiting for the answer07:12
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_CvP_this makes whatsapp but a piece unsympathetic. one more reason to change it :)07:16
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Nicd-Tegu: I have seen the similar when a video format was badly supported07:24
* tbr is happy with XMPP as primary messaging protocol07:24
Nicd-sometimes the whole video was played at a 60 degree angle like an old bad VHS07:24
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Armadillotbr the problem is, that xmpp is experiencing the same user loss like irc I think :-/07:25
tbrArmadillo: that's highly subjective.07:26
Armadillothat's right :)07:26
okuthe sad part i that good technology isn't always the one that winss07:26
okusometimes it is the one with better visibility, marketing and/or user experience07:27
okuthen we end up using services like whatsapp07:28
inzor porn industry adoption ;)07:28
Armadillowell for Whatsapp it is the simplicity of the first account setup07:28
okuinz: yeah :D07:28
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okuArmadillo: yeah, it was the user experience part07:28
Armadillook :)07:28
okusending a message is about the same in every messaging system, but setting it up differs07:28
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okutelling my mom to choose a nice xmpp client and then decide whether you'd like to host your own xmpp server because you won't trust the others or you can choose some service provider...blablabla07:29
okuThat's what makes xmpp hard to adopt for masses07:30
Armadilloyep07:30
okubecause I even don't bother checking all the available clients, why would my mom or random friend07:30
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_CvP_xmpp is enough for me and my familie, but without groupe chat and file send/receive? a no go :(07:39
ruskieheh07:42
ruskiebut xmpp has group chat07:42
ruskieand has file send/receive07:42
_CvP_sure but not possible over sailfish internal xmpp client ;)07:43
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entilanything that's not installable through the store and works instantly is too haxor :P07:45
ruskielol07:45
entilask normal people, not people who irc on #jollamobile07:45
entil;P07:45
okuDon't laugh. It's maybe not too haxor for us, but for the average Joe and most of our friends and relatives.07:46
ruskieheh seems my mom is perfectly happy with xmpp though07:46
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okuAnd that's where the big problem is. And knowing that someone's mom or girlfriend or granddad uses xmpp doesn't change that fact really.07:46
_CvP_yes with android app ruskie07:46
ruskienope07:46
_CvP_but we sailors are not happy07:47
ruskieandroid, linux, web based07:47
ruskiehell hopefully she'll have a jolla in the next few months07:47
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entilman.. I'm not sure if I'm as excited about telegram as I am about textsecure, because textsecure is backed by business.. but telegram's api is public already now07:50
entilI think more people would be willing to use textsecure because of its backing07:51
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_CvP_but not sailors ;)07:52
entilwhy's that?07:52
_CvP_because android app07:52
ruskieI'll stick to running my own xmpp server and using xmpp hehe07:53
entilit's open-source so we know it's secure, and it's backed by a company so the likelyhood of the only relevant person giving up or whatever is pretty low - but if the company goes bust it's still opensource07:53
entil_CvP_: everything is android, because even unblocked mitakuuluu users will have to bite that giant shit sandwitch the next time a protocol change comes along and whatsapp inc is faster than coderus07:53
entilcoderus should raise money to implement textsecure for jolla07:54
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entiltelegram's server is not open source :(07:55
entilthat's another reason to invest in textsecure07:56
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_CvP_ruskie ... I stand behind you. i use my own xmpp server, too. But only write text is also stupid. I want no Android app running in the background07:58
entilI msg'd coderus asking him about what kind of money he'd need to be interested in textsecure ;P07:58
entilthe mitakuuluu ui is great for this, and maybe some day there could be telepathy integration07:59
_CvP_and xmpp :p07:59
entilxmpp is marginal haxor07:59
entilprobably textsecure is as well, but it's easy to sell07:59
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ruskie_CvP_, hehe I don't even have the android support thingy on my jolla... I installed it and then wanted to install one android app and saw the this need permissons to access * and just... no... not going there... removed everything after that08:06
entilI really need to figure this gcm crap out at some point08:07
entilmaybe someone at work would be willing to try out textsecure.. because sms integration doesn't exist for android - and if it did I'd hate it already - the communication has to be over something else08:08
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lainwir3dhello o/08:30
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entilargh, the android younited client doesn't really handle moved files! slightly offtopic for this channel for sure08:38
entilbut it left the pictures in the old location on younited.com and didn't preserve times for the new files08:38
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mpthxruskie: yeah. xmpp. if only people would use it. i have like 10 other poeple in my contact list. the rest is using some closed source centralized crap, and they dont even know about jabber. :(09:33
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ballockmpthx: you mean like... facebook xmpp? or google xmpp?09:35
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mpthxballock: facebook google xmpp doesnt work unless you made an account long time ago and didnt jump in to hangouts09:38
tadzikif only there was s2s09:38
mpthxballock: i did not manage to talk to anyone on facebook. is that possible?09:39
mpthxand doesnt have s2s (google at least)09:39
ballockmpthx: I don't have a facebook account, so I can't say09:39
mpthxballock: me neither.09:40
ballockbut I believe the lack of s2s is common to both09:40
mpthxbut is it possible to reach facebook people from external xmpp server?09:40
ballockmpthx: no09:40
ballockit's a walled garden09:40
mpthx:(09:40
ballockthey simply ripped off the benefits of xmpp09:41
ballockand walled it09:41
tadzikhey09:41
mpthxand speaking of xmpp on jolla. why the priority doesn't work? i tried setting it up but it does not do anything.09:41
tadzikopen source is not all punch and pie09:41
tadzikit's about being open with all the benefits and drawbacks09:41
mpthxballock: it's very fucked up. as much as i dont want to get connected to facebook even from my xmpp server i know that bunch of poeple would move to decentralized aproach if they could maintain their contacts. i guess that was the reason google and facebook jailed their ims09:43
tadzikya09:43
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entilimo the question of centralized/decentralized is less important than the question of privacy09:43
tadzikthe lack of s2s is a *feature* of xmpp09:43
tadzikmy company xmpp does the same09:44
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mpthxentil: i would say its evenly important. if you aren't locked to specific vendor you can choose any proviver or be your own (just like email) and privacy wise you can always use OTR or GPG for your conversations09:46
entilsure, if the clients over unencrypted protocols or untrusted providers support encryption09:47
entilthat's why I like the idea of textsecure, the entire stack is open and it's also backed by a company (which probably won't go bankrupt anyway)09:48
entilso even if it went away, you can always set up a new server09:48
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mpthxentil: are the servers federated in textsecure?09:53
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entilhuh?09:53
entil7win 1309:53
entiltbh I don't really care about how the server is set up as long as the comms are encrypted on the client side09:54
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entilthe other fact being, then, that you can deal with your own servers, which makes that the superior product09:55
entilat least on paper, still need to try it out somehow :D09:55
mpthxentil: i meant if i host my own text secure server, can i send msgs to others on different server?09:55
entilmpthx: I'm not sure really, the websocket support does not seem to be merged in their master yet, current implementations use gcm and apns (or whatever apple's equivalent was again) so they may or may not be09:56
entilbut the protocol supports encrypting sms and mms, the other platforms can integrate that into their messaging frameworks, so that's nice as well, tho unrelated ;P09:57
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mpthxentil: looks interesting. http://support.whispersystems.org/customer/portal/questions/6537925-compatibility-and-integration10:10
entilyes10:12
entilhttps://github.com/JavaJens/TextSecure/tree/feature-1000 there's the branch with websocket support, relevant for jolla10:13
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entil<3 http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/10:27
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pdanekWhy #jollatohkbd is closed?12:12
pdanekOk, it's not.12:13
pdanekSome pidgin bug, or I don't know.12:13
pdaneknow it works12:13
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nanderBuilt-in webbrowser is in a crash-loop?13:47
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entilcan't remember the story, but what was it with the browser using mozilla? the qt project killed off something, right? and then jolla went with mozilla because the replacement wasn't done yet?14:07
pdanek1entil: Jolla went with Mozilla?14:07
cb400fas in gecko engine14:08
pdanek1Yes.14:08
pdanek1But there it ends.14:08
* cb400f never had a single browser crash in 10 months of using the Jolla14:08
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Sceltentil: the old qt based olny used by apple (safari) and new qt wasn't stable enough14:08
pdanek1cb400f: lucky yoy14:08
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cb400fmy only complaint is that I can't easily block ads, social network buttons, trackers, 3rd party cookies and other evilz of the interweb14:09
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cb400fon the N9 I had plenty browser issues though :-)14:10
meklu8I've had plenty of browser crashes with my phone14:10
meklu-814:10
meklubut not really on a site, but rather when launching it14:10
mekluif you hit the tab showy thing too fast it sometimes dies14:11
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SK_workmeklu: yes14:12
entilScelt: sweet, that's the thing14:12
SK_workbut "fixed" on 1.1.0.X expermiental update thingie14:12
mekluI've found it nice that certain android apps that use intents no longer launch your web browser right off the bat when you click a link-type thing in the application14:13
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mekluand just stay in the app itself14:14
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CraigAhas anyone here ported Sailfish to the OnePlus yet?14:59
CraigAI'm getting mine today14:59
Nicd-there's someone working on it14:59
Nicd-vgrade IIRc14:59
CraigAmerci14:59
Nicd-check here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/porters15:00
CraigAthanks!15:00
CraigAI went to Japan for a couple weeks and just used a newly purchase ipod touch. after I got home, I rarely use my Jolla anymore. I cannot stand the keyboard :(15:01
Nicd-then maybe this is for you? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla ;)15:01
CraigAI was looking for the link. i saw it on twitter but they didn't have a link to the kickstarter page >:|15:02
pdanekCraigA: TOHKBD2 is a miracle!15:02
pdanek:D15:02
CraigAI was so upset when I moved from the N900 to the N915:02
CraigAmind you, at least the N9 has Swype to semi-suffice15:02
CraigAI really wanted the developer N950, for the keyboard alone15:03
pdanekCraigA: Many of us were, I still miss my N900, hopefully TOHKBD will finally allow me to forget.15:03
tbrN950 <315:03
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pdanekCraigA: So you're perfect candidate for pledging on TOHKBD. ;)15:04
CraigAdefinitely15:04
CraigAI'll pledge when my paycheque comes in15:05
tbrCraigA: they don't bill you until the funding date. (not sure if they put a reservation on the amount though)15:05
ln-i don't think your credit card will be charged for your pledge until december.15:06
CraigAI wish cs-fallback worked properly with my provider too. I have to manually switch to LTE when I want fast data, but cannot receive any calls, so have to switch back in order to send/receive calls15:06
kimmolicard will smoke when project gets funded 4th dec15:06
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CraigAmy provider = Rogers Canada15:06
tbrCraigA: is that a known problem with your provider? if not get logs from ofono and forward to jolla15:06
tbractually not just ofono, but also RIL15:07
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pdanektbr: wait what? I may not have this credit card anymore in December15:07
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tbrpdanek: "oops"15:07
pdanekSince I'm moving out of my country, thus migrating the bank accounr.15:07
pdanekaccount*15:07
tbrpdanek: check with kickstarter, I'm sure they cover that topic in their general FAQ15:08
ln-pdanek: you can change payment method in kickstarter, assuming you have some credit card by then.15:08
pdanekyep15:08
pdanekI will, thanks.15:08
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pdanekDon't panic.15:08
pdanek:P15:08
CraigAtbr> i think others have had the same issue with my provider - not sure there is anything the devs can do15:09
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tbrCraigA: so it's not a jolla specific issue?15:10
* tbr wonders why Rogers would ignore a general network issue that really annoys people15:11
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tbrbut then I think some finnish provider also had big issues with CS fallback when they went big on LTE15:12
Stskeepstbr: surprisingily many providers suck at that..15:12
tbr*nod*15:12
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CraigAwell, I'm not sure if it has to do with this15:16
CraigARogers supports the 2G and LTE band for the Jolla, but not the 3G bands15:16
CraigAI'm not sure of the specifics of the cs-fallback framework/protocol/standard, but maybe falling back form 4G to 2G may not be supported?15:17
tbractually LTE→GSM is a common transition in case of phone call15:17
tbrdepends on network config though15:17
CraigAthen my theory is moot15:17
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tbryou could try complaining to rogers that CS fallback is not working for you, if you manage to reach someone technical, they might actually be able to do something15:18
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Stskeepsthey might say they only support LTE->3G fallback though15:18
Stskeepswhich is the problem, i think15:18
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CraigAI haven't brought up the issue with Rogers because of the headache of dealing with their support. By the time I get to someone who actually knows what I'm talking about, they will just mention that the phone is not supported or some scapegoat reasoning they are known for15:19
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CraigAI think Stskeeps may be correct, but again, I'm not away of the underlying15:19
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tbr*nod*15:20
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Stskeepswe didn't field test in canada as we didn't expect anything above 3g to work anyway :P15:20
CraigAI don't blame you15:20
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CraigAthe service area for LTE is extremely small for both Rogers and Bell for band 715:21
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tbrare they using it as city filler band?15:24
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CraigAif I am understanding you correctly, yes. They are using it to add additional bandwidth in major metropolis'15:32
CraigAbut Rogers has also launched LTE-Advanced as of a couple weeks ago15:32
CraigAhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/rogers-lte-advanced-rolls-out-to-boost-video-streaming-1.2812287?cmp=rss15:32
CraigAwhich, technically, the OnePlus could support15:33
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pdanekHave you tasted Coke Life yet?16:32
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cryoratpdanek, yeah, it was awful.. i even had an intervention. :/16:38
FireFlyo.o16:38
FireFlyI liked it16:38
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pdanekhm16:42
pdanekcryorat: FireFly: I don't really like Light or Zero, is Life anything similar to that?16:43
pdanekTaste-wise.16:43
FireFlyI don't know, I haven't had light or zero in forever16:43
FireFlyBut I think I dislike those too, so I suppose not, maybe?16:44
cryoratpdanek, the light has a weird sweetener taste16:44
cryoratbut never had zero16:45
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* clau is checking if he's in the right channel. :)16:55
SK_workclau: yes of course, you are on #coke-lover16:55
SK_workdamn, this sounds so bad for so many reasons :(16:56
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clau:))16:56
samikshanSK_work: :-P16:59
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DrainBamagedGuys, my provider tells me Jolla doesn't support MMS, are they bsing me or is this true?19:19
tadzikthey are19:20
tadzikI have no problems with SMS on mine19:20
tadzikerm, MMS19:20
Jopeit used to be true when the phone was launched, but mms support has been there for quite some time now19:21
DrainBamagedThanks a lot19:22
DrainBamagedBatted it back into their court19:22
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* DrainBamaged mutters some swear words19:22
DrainBamagedOk, transfer to a 'special team', I wonder if it's the SAS or something :-P19:25
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DrainBamagedThank you again for your input, tadzik and Jope :-)19:27
Jopenp19:27
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coderuspeoples20:05
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coderuscan you list sailors parties in helsinky in december?20:05
coderusi mean list dates of parties20:05
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coderusand if any chance to live in your house for several days20:15
coderuscan pay for a rent20:15
coderusfor using couch and kitchen :)20:15
DrainBamagedGuys... I can get an MMS through ok on my N9 with my SIM, but not from Jolla :(20:16
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tadzikyour jolla seems misconfigured20:19
DrainBamagedShould I get assistance via the Helpdesk system?20:20
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/38555/mms-issues-hints-for-debugging-and-helping-us-to-improve/20:20
Stskeepswhat vendor?20:20
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DrainBamagedMy provider? It's O2 in the UK20:20
Stskeepscheck comments on that page perhaps20:21
DrainBamagedThank you, Stskeeps20:21
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Ezkohello23:17
Ezkodoes anyone use textsecure on their jolla?23:17
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falfanative or android version?23:21
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Ezkowell native if there is one, i haven't found one yet :P23:23
falfame neither :-)23:23
Ezkodo you use the android one?23:23
falfanope, i've avoided the android translation stuff23:23
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falfabut a jollaish TS would be really good23:24
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Ezkoyeah23:24
falfaagreed23:24
falfaI guess a port would be hard23:24
Ezkoandroid textsecure needs google play and i'm not sure i wanna commit that much on my first day :P23:25
falfai suppose enough of the code is free?23:25
Ezkoi've no idea23:25
falfabut TS these days use some central server, not sure how keen Moxie is to let others use that service?23:26
Ezkodo you use mitakuuluu?23:28
falfayes23:28
Ezkomine isn't letting me register for some reason23:29
Ezkooh23:29
falfait solved some problems with the browser, but the contacts app got shaky23:29
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Ezkoit did just now23:29
falfaits usable i guess, but a bit more shaky than the predecessor23:29
falfabut good enough for me23:29
r0kk3rzi think you need to remove account if you used the android whatsapp23:30
r0kk3rzthen re register23:30
Ezkoyeah23:31
r0kk3rzeither way, if you're still having issues then coderus is your man23:31
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Ezkonow i just need to import contacts23:31
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Ezkois there a way to do that easily?23:35
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r0kk3rzimport contacts from what?23:40
r0kk3rzi imported mine from android via vcf file on the sdcard23:41
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Ezkor0kk3rz: umm, nothing :P23:46
coderusEzko: i suggest you to install android whatsapp and import it account in mitakuuluu, not to register in mitakuuluu itself.23:46
Ezkoyeah i got it now, thanks23:47
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Ezkocontacts didn't import from phone contacts at first but now i got that and all23:48
r0kk3rzoh right, they werent showing up in mitakuuluu23:49
r0kk3rzi never had to do anything special for that23:49
Ezkoyeah23:49
r0kk3rzi thought you meant getting your contacts from your old phone or something23:49
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Ezkodoes the native facebook message thing support group conversations? i'm not getting updates from a group i do like 99% of my facebook chatting in23:50
Ezkor0kk3rz: i did that with google account23:50
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r0kk3rzafaik the messages app doesnt do group chats yet23:51
Ezko:(23:52
Ezkoguess i'm out of luck then23:52
r0kk3rznot sure whether the friends app helps or not23:52
Ezkodoesn't seem to23:53
Ezkoseems like it does everything else from facebook besides chat23:53
r0kk3rzlooks like the fb xmpp server doesnt do group chat23:57
r0kk3rzso its not even something that jolla can fix23:57
Ezkoyeah so basically to get it working facebook needs to make a jolla messenger?23:57
r0kk3rzyou might be stuck with the fb messenger app23:57
Ezkohmmh, yeah23:58

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