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ahjolinnaoh finland https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/iron-sky-the-coming-race--200:28
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bindihi :P01:43
FredrIQhai01:43
bindido I want a jolla phone, FIQ?01:43
FredrIQdepends01:43
binditohkbd looks nice01:44
FredrIQwhat do you want for it01:44
FredrIQ*from01:44
FredrIQyeah01:44
FredrIQbacked it01:44
bindia physical keyboard :P01:44
bindiand just... whatsapp and facebook and ssh :D01:44
bindihow fluid is the OS?01:45
bindia jolla phone is  150 euros used lol01:45
FredrIQfluid, but a bit weird at first01:45
FredrIQyou get used to it quïxkly though01:46
FredrIQquickly*01:46
FredrIQgod I miss hw kbd01:46
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FredrIQnot sure if I can recommend jolla01:48
bindihow come?01:48
bindii had the n900 btw01:48
FredrIQI've had one for like 3 days :P01:48
bindioh01:49
FredrIQrefused to leave N900 for something lacking hw kbd01:49
FredrIQbut when it broke completely, I kinda had to01:49
Ezkobindi: whatsapp takes some work to get going01:49
Ezkoyou need to delete your old account, install android port on jolla, register, install jolla native and register with that01:50
Ezkoworks great after that though :P01:50
bindilol01:51
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Ezkofor facebook you need facebook messenger for android if you have group conversations01:51
FredrIQbindi01:51
Ezkoconversations with a single person are integrated01:51
FredrIQif what you mention is all you want01:51
Ezkofacebook messenger doesn't notify for group messages01:52
bindihow PITA is sharing pictures to facebook/whatsapp?01:52
FredrIQyou may be better iff with something android coupled with bt hwkbd01:52
bindimaybe01:52
FredrIQoff01:52
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Ezkono idea bindi, i don't do that much :P01:53
FredrIQboth have their strength and weakness01:53
FredrIQwould assume ssh being superior on jolla with a better term by far01:53
Ezkoyeah01:54
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FredrIQbut other stuff would require alien dalvik01:54
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Ezkoi like sailfish a lot but it definitely lacks software currently01:55
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Yanielthe native whatsapp client is unofficial and may get you banned though05:33
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Yanieluse at your own risk, or use the officil android one05:33
Bysmyyror not use att all05:36
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r0kk3rz_kimmoli: got presents for me? :)07:53
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kimmolir0kk3rz_: not yet...08:48
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r0kk3rz_kimmoli  :( oh well, you might have to post it to me08:49
kimmoliin ~10 mins i know08:50
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r0kk3rz_cool, i dont think im going far today. hanging around the centre mostly08:51
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Jopestezzzzz09:43
Jopestezz, please reply with your opinion to the mail with the subject: Jolla.ru mailboxes09:43
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druberlingood morning, i am on the fence to buy a jolla today. one question beforehand: i NEED a working whatsapp version on my jolla. Is mitakuulu working or will my account get banned if used ?10:03
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r0kk3rz_druberlin: some of us have been unaffected10:06
r0kk3rz_but you can use android whatsapp10:07
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r0kk3rz_also, if you buy today you can still get 100e off the price :)10:07
druberlinso, whatsapp android will work fine, yes ?10:08
druberlini will buy today. Just have to make sure my "must have" apps like a public transport app , whatsapp etc work10:09
r0kk3rz_druberlin: kinda, the android stuff isnt ideal. notifications are a bit iffy atm10:11
r0kk3rz_but that may change in the future10:12
kimmolitbr: still waiting our postipate...10:12
kimmolir0kk3rz_: ^10:12
tbrkimmoli: ffffuuuuuu10:12
r0kk3rz_but mitakuuluu works for me, and others with no bannage10:12
Stskeepstbr: noted re u9, nothing will move until next week10:13
r0kk3rz_tbr kimmoli, finnpost is a bit unreliable huh10:13
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tbrStskeeps: expected10:13
druberlinthx r0kk3rz_  . Have to admit , planning on using it as a primary phone10:13
Stskeepsi barely have internet here10:13
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tbrr0kk3rz_: usually they do work reliably...10:13
r0kk3rz_all good10:14
r0kk3rz_might wait until i get back from aus and we can sort some international postage10:15
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coderuswow wow, http://shop.jolla.ru, thanks :)10:24
coderusdruberlin: install and use android whatsapp10:24
coderusmitakuuluu is closed and no fither development10:24
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Hartzi:/10:28
r0kk3rz_coderus: really?10:30
Hartzicoderus: you'll write a new client?10:31
Sceltdruberlin: if you order today the jolla, you'll get 100 € off the price10:32
r0kk3rz_Hartzi: whatsapp has taken a hard stance on third party clients10:32
druberlinordering RIGHT NIW :D10:32
druberlinNOW10:32
r0kk3rz_druberlin: need a discount code?10:33
entil[12:24] < coderus> mitakuuluu is closed and no fither development10:33
druberlinas a ex meego lover and usabilty proffesional really look forward to do some mobile usabiltytests :-D10:33
Sceltdruberlin: use this code: 4O-9I-E610:33
entilcoderus: any chance of getting you to work on textsecure now? ;)10:33
druberlinr0kk3rz_ thx already have one10:33
Sceltdruberlin: okay :)10:33
r0kk3rz_druberlin: from a usabillity side some things are initially a bit jarring10:35
r0kk3rz_but you quickly get used to it10:35
druberlinr0kk3rz_ they are, especially with readabilty of differenciaton because of font and text size10:37
druberlinBAM, ordered and paid :)10:37
r0kk3rz_druberlin: be sure to post your findings/recommendations to TJC10:38
coderusentil: no10:39
entilcoderus: :(10:40
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druberlinr0kk3rz_ will def do10:40
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fluxkicktraq finally has a projection, guestimating $200k..$325k10:46
fluxbut, of course, the result could even be 0 if everyone decides to withdraw their support ;)10:46
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kimmolitbr: ductape11:02
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tbrkimmoli: \o/11:09
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Tomohi, is there any way to run two instances of alien-dalvik?11:13
Tomo"virtualization" if you can call it that, would solve the problem of having two Skype accounts11:13
Tomotwo alien-dalviks = two Skype instances11:13
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tbrI doubt you'd have enough ram for two of them, even if it would be possible, and I doubt that.11:20
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* tbr idly ponders if the skype telepathy plugin from harmattan is still working on the N9 and if so if it could be made to work on the Jolla...11:21
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tbrthey recently killed off a load of old clients, so it's rather unlikely.11:21
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dr_gogeta86tbr, major servicies need incame thats all11:22
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tbrdr_gogeta86: that's a comment regarding what?11:23
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dr_gogeta86Skype , whatwrongwithyoufacebook and other servicies11:23
dr_gogeta86nowadays ... also exsotic platform have native skype like smart tvs11:24
tbrin case of skype that's not exactly true. the messenger service itself doesn't need to have a viable business model, IF it is part of a larger business model11:25
tbryou'll find out, that the smart TVs mostly run android11:25
dr_gogeta86now skype is the new linq for m$ ...11:25
dr_gogeta86not samsung ones till 2014 and lg ( some are running webOS ...despite all ods got skype back in the days )11:26
dr_gogeta86is just a marketing/possibilities/MONEY thing11:27
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dr_gogeta86the list was DESC11:27
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kimmolispiiroin: http://pastebin.com/mYkmzfSF but not working with mce (?)11:42
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kimmolitbr: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=c7c09b15-0f7f-9172-1450-ff848a28e0c511:43
kimmoliannd where is r0kkerz ?11:43
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spiiroinkimmoli: it needs some work, the slide handling got whacked earlier this year11:43
kimmoliok11:44
spiiroinkimmoli: I'll try to find some time for it soon11:44
kimmolishould mce listen e.g. EV_KEY--KEY_POWER from all input devices?11:44
tbrkimmoli: nice, ready to go :)11:45
spiiroinkimmoli: yes, and SW_LID(? I'll check) might do something semi sensible too for testing purposes11:45
kimmolispiiroin: i was not able to "emulate" KEY_POWER from my uinput, i can see them with evdev_trace, but atleast display doesnt turn on...11:46
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spiiroinkimmoli: have you changed proximity config?11:47
kimmoliöm afaik no11:47
spiirointhen probably not ;-)11:48
spiiroinSW_LID = assumed to be display cover -> blanks/unblanks screen -> something to play around with while waiting for slider support?11:48
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kimmoliok11:49
kimmoliwill check on "3rd shift" later this evening.11:49
kimmolinow just need to find r0kkerz somewhere from helsinki11:50
spiiroinkimmoli: stopping mce & running this from console might reveal something: mce -T -l *:match_and_register_io_monitor -l powerkey.c:* -l event-input.c:*11:52
pp_-Mitakuuluu project closed. No further development for current codebase. New client will be written and released in new year.11:53
pp_+Mitakuuluu project closed. No further development for current codebase. No answers on your questions. No ETA.11:53
pp_heh11:53
Tomooh lawd11:53
pp_shame, but quite understandable11:53
walokranow all just switch to telegram11:54
kimmolispiiroin: ok11:54
kimmolispiiroin: mce: T+0.107 N: event-input.c: match_and_register_io_monitor(): /dev/input/event13: "tohkbd", probe: REJECT11:55
spiiroinkimmoli: that would explain a lot; need to check the code11:56
kimmoliyes11:57
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coderusTomo: i saw skype-clone apk on xda or something else, to have two skype at the same time.11:57
Nicd-coderus: I just want to thank you for all the hard work you've put into mitäkuuluu. regardless of whether you'll make a new client or not. thanks! :)12:00
Nicd-we need more devs like you12:00
Tomocoderus: thanks, i'll dig deeper12:01
* AL13N_work sighs: i need to somehow create more time for me... like cloning or traveling back in time, or making time outside move slower or something12:01
AL13N_workexcept for aging, that should not increase...12:01
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spiiroinkimmoli: the "..." in the paste - did you cut out something? like BTN_Z for example?12:05
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kimmoliyes, i enable everything feom KEY_ESC to KEY_MAX (0x2ff iirc)12:18
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kimmolihttps://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd2-daemon/blob/xkbtesting/src/uinputif.cpp#L7212:19
entil[13:54] < walokra> now all just switch to telegram12:21
entilwalokra: why would you want telegram over textsecure, especially when neither exists for sailfish12:21
entiljudging by everything online, telegram is somewhere between a hoax and an inferior product, so I'd be really interested in knowing why12:22
entilhttp://cryptome.org/2014/11/textsecure-secure.pdf haven't read it yet, but it should be a compelling argument for textsecure12:22
Tomoyeah there was quite a lot of controversy about the security contests they were organizing12:23
entilhttp://support.whispersystems.org/customer/portal/questions/6537925-compatibility-and-integration also masha kolenkina's reply is quite compelling, with links12:23
walokrais someone using textsecure? whatsapp and somewhat telegram are used also with other than developers12:23
Tomowhy not Viber?12:23
entilwalokra: textsecure is allegedly bundled with cyanogenmod nowadays, that makes a huuuuge customer base12:23
Tomoit's better than whatsapp at least, dunno about security12:23
Tomoand it's widely adopted12:24
entilOn July 24, 2013, Viber's support system was defaced by Syrian Electronic Army. According to Viber, no sensitive user information was accessed.[35]12:24
entilthe mossad denies knowledge12:24
entilso why's viber "better" than whatsapp?12:24
Tomodesktop client12:24
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walokraeven telegram is better in that regard12:25
kimmolispiiroin: ah, i see now; https://github.com/nemomobile/mce/blob/450b575e2c8679125e548ccc99f2754bf8cca466/event-input.c#L76212:25
entilI'm personally not swayed by a desktop client, I have irssi ;P mobile messaging is the thing12:25
Siddetextseure or something else secure would a better client than those populare unsecure stuff12:25
Tomowell i am not about to type on my mobile except for when i'm on the go12:26
spiiroinkimmoli: yes -> assumed to be 3d sensor of some sort -> ignored12:26
entiland I'm kinda rubbed the wrong way when jolla is at a junction where there's a void in mobile messaging and people suggest less secure solutions12:26
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Tomono desktop client = sms beats it12:26
entilit would be a kind of a statement if the community effort went into textsecure, because of it apparently being the most secure app and widely backed by cyanogenmod and other android people12:27
spiiroinkimmoli: might be better to list only events that are actually emitted?12:27
entilTomo: the reson why whatsapp trumps sms (and mms et al) is that it incurs no extra charges over wlan, and some people, providers or whatever might have expensive media messages12:28
entiland, as much as it hurts, people want to be chatty, and that can be expensive over sms12:28
entilso sms does not necessarily beat it :P12:28
kimmolispiiroin: yes, i had it like that, but when testing i did enable _all_ just to avoid adding them one-by-one12:28
Tomodon't see what's wrong with Facebook chat in that regard12:28
Tomo"everybody" is there, and supports all functionality12:28
entilthe fact it's facebook?12:28
Tomoand how is Whatsapp not Facebook? :D12:29
Nicd-Tomo: facebook is going to shut their xmpp12:29
Ezkoi got plenty of friends who aren't on facebook but use whatsapp12:29
entiloh, also doesn't integrate with sailfish, nor does an app exist for sailfish, and I just heard they shut down their apis12:29
entilTomo: that's a real problem as well, obviously12:29
Nicd-Tomo: so with facebook we'd be in the same "unofficial client" situation12:29
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Tomoi am not talking about Jolla here, i am more talking about in general12:29
entilpeople need to get a clue about this privacy stuff. I used mitakuuluu/whatsapp mainly because of the missus and my family, but she got a mobile plan with unlimited sms and I can call or sms my family when I need to, so it didn't abruptly end my life or anything12:30
entilbut even the joking around with my brothers could've been seen as infringing the TOS12:30
Tomofor Jolla i don't see a proper solution for mobile messaging as none of the secure platforms have critical user mass12:30
entiland I doubt people generally want to be in a situation where the provider can and will read and resell your communications, which may even accidentally break the TOS because of bad humor12:31
Tomoyou tell people to get textsecure and they will be like "lol get whatsapp"12:31
entilcyanogenmod people have it, many android users have, and tbh jolla has nothing12:31
entilat least jolla users can use it together12:31
Nicd-is textsecure over sms?12:32
entilthe big issue is that there are few people up for running the project12:32
entilNicd-: yes12:32
Nicd-ok, then it's not a choice12:32
entilit can encrypt sms12:32
Nicd-sorry :P12:32
entilNicd-: not only sms .P12:32
Nicd-sms is too expensive12:32
entilalso gcm and websockets12:32
Nicd-needs a server?12:32
Ezkotextsecure sends over web if both users have it12:32
entilyeah, got to connect somewhere, that's not different from anything else12:32
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Nicd-who runs the server?12:32
Nicd-do I need to run my own?12:32
entilthey do, but it's end-to-end encrypted, so that's ok12:33
entilI'm not sure how the messaging is passed, whether or not you can run your server, but the server _is_ open-source12:33
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entilso not having studied that yet, my gut feeling tells me whatever the server layout for it is, it's smart12:33
Nicd-yeah, I was thinking from a UX point of view12:34
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entilit'd be damned stupid to ship textsecure to all those users bundled with cm and then have them stuck on one server when everyone else uses something else, there has to be some kind of server discovery and routing in there12:34
Nicd-if the infra is already up and I don't need to configure it, that's good12:34
entilbut the server is opensource and websocket support is almost there https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure/issues/1000 so this can be figured out12:34
entilhttps://github.com/JavaJens/TextSecure/tree/feature-1000 that was the link I meant to paste, sorry12:35
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Nicd-well, I like choice so I'm all for TextSecure support12:35
Nicd-and if it's end-to-end, it sounds really nice12:36
entilthe problem is getting this thing going for real, like figuring out who has the time to actually step up :/ I cannot, but I would pledge for kickstarter or donate or somehow else help out12:36
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entilwe have a lot of UI clues from mitakuuluu, even though that project is dead, so it'd be mostly about running the websocket server and implementing it12:37
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Nicd-apparently there's no iOS client yet (even though it was promised a while ago)12:37
Nicd-that's not good12:37
entilyeah, they're working on all that12:37
entilbro, the websocket support's probably not merged yet, but that doesn't mean we should'nt get a head start12:37
Nicd-well, a requirement for me is that I can talk to my wife who's using an iphone12:38
walokra"talk" :)12:38
Nicd-well, message12:38
Nicd-but apparently it has some kind of calls too12:38
Sceltmassage?12:38
Nicd-Scelt: that's IRL12:38
entilhehe12:38
Sceltoh, okay12:38
meklugo implement a remote massaging protocol then12:39
mekluget the big bucks12:39
mekluand sell out for 20 billion dollars12:39
Nicd-meklu: did you try our game yet?12:39
meklupreferrably not zimbabwean12:39
entilbe that as it may, it's not like the textsecure protocol implementation will descend from the heavens the day after tomorrow and everyone who has to communicate with ios users is fucked12:39
mekluNicd-: crap, of course I had to forget :|12:39
entilmore likely it'll take a while both for them to release for ios and the jolla community to release for sailfish12:39
IltsuI just put this here https://xkcd.com/927/12:40
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mekluthe title-text there is rather outdated now :(12:41
meklueverything is micro-USB12:41
antranigvHay, small question, is the sailfish OS on the Jolla phone the same everywhere ? I'd like to buy it from Russia, as I live in Armenia :) but I hope I won't get a russian version or smtn.. :)12:42
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Ezkoantranigv: asked for language when i started mine at least12:43
Tomoi could make a joke about how the russian version comes with additional tools iconic to a certain political system... but i'll skip it :)12:43
entilmjt@ishtar:~/src/git_checkouts/TextSecure-Server (mergetest)$ git merge origin/websocket12:43
entilAlready up-to-date.12:43
entil(mergetest is actually the same as master)12:44
entilso the websocket support is actually in the server already, that's a freebie12:44
antranigvEzko: that's not a problem :D I can change the language :)12:44
joonahoioh, i didn't know that jolla is sold in russia as well12:45
entilhttps://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Server " Communication is handled by a REST API and Push messaging (both GCM and APN)." APN is in this case Apple Push Notification, right?12:46
antranigvTomo: is it a joke or real ? :D It is "waitable" from the russians :P12:46
antranigvjoonahoi: they have just announced it :) yayy GNU-ers in Armenia ^_^ long waiting12:47
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mekluantranigv: I think they sell it in Kazakstan already12:48
mekluI'm fairly certain the OS is the same everywhere :)12:48
Tomoantranigv: a joke, i don't think the russians share the same sense of humor conserning that area :D12:49
antranigvmeklu: thanks for the info (: too bad Armenia is not that much connected with Kazakstan in tech field12:51
antranigvTomo: politics, Putin, everywhere :312:51
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coderusmeklu: kz != ru13:20
meklucoderus: I know13:20
kimmolir0kk3rz_: HUHUU13:20
mekluit's geographically faaairly close though13:21
coderusTomo: i could make a joke about other countries may think they are know about current situation in russia, but i'll skip it and continue ignoring you13:21
Tomomight as well get it from finland by that logic :)13:21
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Tomocoderus: jokes are based on exaggeration...13:23
Tomoexactly why i decided to word it like that13:24
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TMavicaoff topic question, is there any temporary data sim card I can get in finland?14:13
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Nicd-you can get a prepaid14:14
VDVsxhttp://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com/wiki/Finland14:14
VDVsxnor sure if update to date14:14
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VDVsxthe prices, I mean14:15
TMavicacan get in HEL airport?14:15
mekluprobably14:16
mekluI would assume there to be a kiosk of sorts14:16
meklulike an R-Kioski or something14:16
Shinryuu^14:16
ShinryuuR-Kioski might help you14:16
r0kk3rzTMavica: theres shops everywhere in helsinki14:16
mekluask for a prepaid thing14:16
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Nicd-there is an R-Kioski in HEL, they sell some prepaid cards14:17
Shinryuuindeed14:17
r0kk3rzyou can always drop into an Elisa/sonera/dna store14:17
Nicd-http://www.finavia.fi/en/helsinki-airport/services/shops/rkioski-5/14:17
TMavicaThanks. R-Kioski is a operator?14:17
Nicd-no14:17
TMavicaNicd-: THANK!14:17
mekluR-Kioski is a general small store chain14:18
meklua franchising thing I think14:18
r0kk3rzconvenience store14:18
Nicd-the operators are Elisa/Saunalahti, Sonera/Tele Finland and DNA14:18
mekluah, that's the term14:18
entilheh, we don't relate to them exactly as stores, but close enough14:18
meklu^14:18
TMavicaI feel the Name is difficult remember for me, LOL14:18
ernesticlose to 7/1114:18
ernesti*similar to14:19
TMavicawhich operator prefered to?14:19
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Nicd-they are pretty much the same14:19
tigeliTMavica: does not really matter :)14:19
Nicd-I would choose whichever is the cheapest14:19
meklunot much of a difference unless you plan to get an actual contract14:20
r0kk3rzive got a travel sim that worjs everywhere. but im sure elisa/sonera/dna all have comparable deals14:20
TMavicaNicd-: Thats a good idea14:20
mekluI'd go for the cheapest as well14:20
TMavicabut i no time to choose which is cheapest i think14:20
mekluwell, then go with the first one you see :D14:20
tigeliI got sim from three.uk.. 25GB of roam data for £15 in various countries. :)14:21
tigelilike in Finland ;)14:21
TMavicaOne more questions: any HSBC bank in Finland?14:21
tigeliTMavica: not to my knowledge14:21
meklunever seen one14:21
TMavicaO my god14:22
r0kk3rzONOZ14:22
Shinryuuwhat is that14:22
TMavicais a bank..14:22
tigeliTMavica: you have Danske bank, Nordea, OP.. and some smaller ones to choose from14:22
Nicd-S-Pankki, Ålandsbanken, POP-pankki...14:22
ernestiPOP14:22
r0kk3rzwhyfor you need a bank14:23
tigelifor a robbery ;)14:23
mekludeposits/withdrawals I guess14:23
Shinryuuoh snap14:23
ernestiatm?14:23
TMavicar0kk3rz: I dont want to put so many cash to finland14:23
TMavicaernesti: yes14:23
r0kk3rzchuck your card into an otto and be done14:23
meklu(Lähi)Tapiola never handled any cash14:23
ernestithere are many atms around14:23
ernestithey are called OTTO14:23
Nicd-TMavica: finland has ATMs that are called Otto. you need to check with HSBC if your card will work here. it may have extra charges14:23
TMavicaNicd-: thanks! bookmarked Otto14:24
Nicd-http://koyttoliittyma.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/ottopiste.jpg14:24
tigeliTMavica: people in finland pretty much use credit&debit cards.. and they are accepted almost everwhere14:24
ln-TMavica: banks are a very unpractical way of withdrawing cash, and many of them don't even serve cash.14:24
Nicd-that's what they look like14:24
r0kk3rzive used an aus/uk/travel card14:24
Teguthe prepaids seem to have some differences. for example, it might have either some minute based pricing or day based pricing (fuu don't know the english terms)14:24
ShinryuuTMavica: they look like this in the streets, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Ottopiste.jpg/220px-Ottopiste.jpg14:24
TMavicatigeli: I no any credit card14:24
r0kk3rzits fine, unlike japan where nothing works14:24
Shinryuuoh someone already posted a link..14:24
tigeliTMavica: not even debit one?14:24
ernestivisa electron is also fine :D14:25
TMavicaI always pay all with cash of EPS14:25
TMavicaor EPS14:25
r0kk3rzvisa debits are the bomb14:25
mekludebit is pretty cool14:25
Nicd-TMavica: what is EPS?14:26
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TMavicaEasy Pay System14:26
TemeVseems to be quite overloaded acronym :)14:26
r0kk3rzTMavica: where are you from?14:26
TMavicaHong Kong14:27
Nicd-TMavica: well, either you need to bring cash with you or you need to ask your bank for a card that will work in Finland (and find out the charges)14:27
tigelinot from finland.. at least14:27
r0kk3rzHK, yeah dunno if your card will work14:27
TMavicaNicd-: yes i finding, but no information14:27
r0kk3rzunless its a visa/MasterCard14:27
TMavicar0kk3rz: yes, but in UK, there is many HSBC around14:28
Nicd-TMavica: you must ask your bank. they will know14:28
TMavicayou guys know what is UnionPay?14:28
r0kk3rzyeah but thats because its a UK bank14:28
TMavicaHSBC is all over the world14:28
r0kk3rzbut its still a uk bank14:28
r0kk3rzwe have them in aus14:28
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r0kk3rzyou should be able to get a travel MasterCard like i have14:30
TMavicaif Finland's atm got a label call UnionPay, then I can draw out money from my HK bank14:30
r0kk3rzprepaid, but in different currencies14:30
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r0kk3rzso i use it to buy euros/pounds14:30
kimmolir0kk3rz: soon...14:31
r0kk3rzthey charge 5AUD for the conversion14:31
r0kk3rzwaiting kimmoli :)14:31
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Nicd-TMavica: UnionPay does not work with Otto14:32
kimmolihere14:33
Nicd-at least that is how it was back in 201214:33
TMavicaNicd-: GOD.14:33
r0kk3rzkimmoli: downstairs?14:33
kimmoliyes14:33
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kimmoliordering something14:34
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kimmoliwhere u?14:35
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Ezkodoes anyone know why my google account keeps logging out on my jolla?14:47
Ezkomy facebook account did aswell14:47
Nicd-it's a bug14:48
Ezkobah14:48
Ezkoi guess i'll just leave it logged out the next time it does that14:48
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* tbr detects r0kk3rz connection isn't stable :)15:08
r0kk3rz:)15:08
r0kk3rzbeing on mobiledata is like that15:08
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r0kk3rz_myTOH acquired :)15:33
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Sail0rgerman jolla users http://www.golem.de/news/tohkbd-eine-hardwaretastatur-fuer-das-jolla-1411-110437.html16:07
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till-my jolla is acting strange, seems like it can't save changed preferences anymore, for example i'm not able to switch usb to developer mode, it always returns to charge only. and android's gapps are constantly crashing. anyone experienced something similar?20:14
coderustill-: run btrfs fi show and show output20:21
till-coderus the metadata space is not complete full yet20:22
till-but i just found a "no space left on device" in a camera log... so i might try another rebalance20:23
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kimmolispiiroin: mce: T+0.068 N: event-input.c: match_and_register_io_monitor(): /dev/input/event13: "tohkbd", probe: KEY, BUTTON or SWITCH20:27
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coderustill-: show btrfs fi output please20:28
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till-coderus: http://pastebin.com/g7m0Kwfc20:34
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coderustill-: just 400 MB free, you can run balance now and no more lags after reboot :)20:38
gogetatill-, are you rebalancing ?20:39
till-it's not lags, its things not getting saved and wrong size of directories, looks like a file system corruption to me20:39
till-is it "safe" to do rebalancing with uitukka?20:40
gogetayep20:41
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till-okay, doing a backup now and than try rebalancing. is there a fsck for btrfs or is that done during rebalancing automatically?20:42
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gogetado it from recovery20:43
gogetanot from running os20:43
coderustill-: btrfsck is here20:43
till-isn't that explicitly forbidden on uitukka?20:43
coderustill-: what are you talking about?20:44
till-https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763 says: "If you are using Recovery Mode with SailfishOS 1.0.8.19, 1.0.8.21, or even 1.1.0.38/39, running some features of the Recovery Mode are bound to break your device."20:46
gogetaalways20:47
till-so you suggest using the recovery mode shell and then run the rebalance from there?20:49
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Ezkodid mitäkuuluu die completely now?21:36
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Nicd-well it's open source so anyone is free to continue working on it21:38
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gogetasome community campaign is needed21:41
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gogetanot also for sfos fellas but also for our legacy21:42
gogetan9 n90021:42
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till-okay seems that i've got it working again :) did btrfs repair in rescue mode, afterwards reinstalled all usb related packages. thanks guys21:50
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coderustill-: but did you balanced?21:58
till-not yet21:58
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just4infois there a recent tutorial on how to use 64gb sd cards? guess there was an update or something, my media/sdcard folder is missing22:11
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