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FredrIQ | can I lock landscape mode? | 07:55 |
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Nicd- | FredrIQ: yes, from settings -> system -> display | 07:56 |
Nicd- | or temporarily by holding your finger on the display while rotating it | 07:56 |
FredrIQ | ty | 07:57 |
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Nicd- | TOHKBD has now collected double of the original goal :) | 09:59 |
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kimmoli | tbr: moo. r0kkerz got his myhalf. | 10:34 |
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kimmoli | i have still one fully assembled. | 10:35 |
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tbr | :) | 10:36 |
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dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli how much for two board ? | 10:53 |
kimmoli | i have _one_ | 10:54 |
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tbr | kimmoli: I still have some devaamo boards, but not many | 10:56 |
kimmoli | if there is more interest, need to make another batch with latest gerbers | 10:57 |
tbr | *nod* | 10:57 |
kimmoli | and maybe assy them in estonia | 10:58 |
Ezko | what's a myhalf | 10:58 |
tbr | a simple breakout with a led an eeprom and level shifters | 10:58 |
kimmoli | https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=c7c09b15-0f7f-9172-1450-ff848a28e0c5 | 10:58 |
Ezko | aha | 10:59 |
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kimmoli | aand i'm again out of stock. | 11:33 |
tbr | :) | 11:33 |
tbr | if you need more PCBs, let me know. there are still about 10 | 11:33 |
kimmoli | ok | 11:34 |
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AL13N | PCBs? | 11:44 |
AL13N | kimmoli: you making something? | 11:45 |
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tbr | AL13N: read scrollback. | 11:46 |
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AL13N | tbr: is it this: "kimmoli: if there is more interest, need to make another batch with latest gerbers" ? | 11:47 |
tbr | 10:58:29< Ezko> what's a myhalf | 11:48 |
tbr | 10:58:50< tbr> a simple breakout with a led an eeprom and level shifters | 11:48 |
tbr | 10:58:52< kimmoli> https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=c7c09b15-0f7f-9172-1450-ff848a28e0c5 | 11:48 |
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AL13N | it looks like some sort of helper board that might fit in an OH | 11:50 |
AL13N | tbr: i don't have that scrollback... how odd.. unless it's from yesterday | 11:50 |
tbr | it's from an hour ago... | 11:51 |
tbr | there is a log link in the topic | 11:51 |
AL13N | yes, i understand, i just, i was connected... so it's odd that i didn't see it | 11:52 |
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kimmoli | AL13N: filtering my messages? | 12:12 |
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chem|st | so xmpp is officially broken now? | 13:05 |
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Armadillo | is it? | 13:06 |
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chem|st | it sometimes refused to login, now it did not login anymore so I tried all things like toggle active/disable, reentering password and finally deleting the account and setting it up again, now I do not see it in presence anymore | 13:06 |
chem|st | and yes I restarted services and rebooted too | 13:07 |
kimmoli | Just mentioning here too that toholed otherhalfs are available > pm for details | 13:07 |
Jope | hmmmmmm | 13:08 |
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Scelt | chem|st: been unstable already for a while :( | 13:09 |
chem|st | Scelt: that I know but the only sane messaging service on the phone is now gone... I am || that close to buy a new battery for my n900 and use that until there is SailfishOS-stable and probably jolla2.0 | 13:10 |
Scelt | no wonder | 13:11 |
chem|st | what do I need to kill to get presences reset? lipstick? | 13:11 |
chem|st | nope wasn't lipstick | 13:14 |
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chem|st | a reboot brought it back, but what do I need to kill if it is stuck... rebooting is not an option! | 13:28 |
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chem|st | so I changed the port and priority to something else than default and it is gone again! | 14:00 |
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chem|st | seems like if I interfere with it in any way than just leaving it "online" does break something | 14:02 |
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chem|st | nope reboot does not fix anything | 14:03 |
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chem|st | now, I deleted it, I will set it up with custom settings after reboot... we will see what that does... | 14:04 |
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chem|st | nope not working, I need to reboot to get the xmpp account activated | 14:11 |
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chem|st | oh not even that... it does not activate with settings other than default | 14:12 |
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kimmoli | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-dragonfly-futurefon--3 | 15:12 |
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CvP_ | Hi | 15:21 |
CvP_ | o/ | 15:21 |
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NRKA | Do any one knows if kismet can be installed on jolla? | 15:23 |
* Nav does miss kismet - was really handy on my n900 | 15:23 | |
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Nav | and with an enormous battery TOH you could actually run it for a sensible amount of time! | 15:34 |
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kimmoli | tbr: ping, send me few pcb's more. i'll deposit some dough to you then | 16:25 |
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tbr | ok, will do | 16:26 |
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* pahartik got mobile network service with appropriate IPv6 routing today, will test on "Jolla Mobile" soon | 16:31 | |
tbr | pahartik: native ipv6? | 16:31 |
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pahartik | tbr: Yes, that | 16:45 |
tbr | pahartik: which operator has that. :-O | 16:46 |
* tbr wants to know | 16:47 | |
pahartik | tbr: It is not official product yet, sort of test phase that I got involved in | 16:49 |
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tbr | pahartik: if they need more testers... | 16:53 |
pp_ | :-) | 16:54 |
mornfall | is there a new shutdown/reboot issue in Uitukka? | 16:54 |
pahartik | tbr: And I did not get answer to question about whether I can refer other interested parties to person who set me up to it | 16:54 |
tbr | mornfall: not that I've heard of. | 16:54 |
pahartik | tbr: Are you on IRCnet? | 16:54 |
tbr | pahartik: yes, same nick | 16:55 |
mornfall | hm | 16:55 |
mornfall | I just had two shutdowns today, and a few in the last week or so | 16:56 |
tbr | mornfall: have you tried cleaning the battery contacts yet? | 16:56 |
mornfall | (I am using the paper fix, which stopped the reboots a long time ago; I did change my sim recently, after updating) | 16:56 |
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mornfall | tbr: do you think the contacts need cleaning every few months? | 16:56 |
mornfall | (entirely possible, just wondering) | 16:57 |
Nicd- | mornfall: have you sent it to care? | 16:57 |
mornfall | no | 16:57 |
tbr | mornfall: it seems to be a construction weakness that's easily cured | 16:57 |
Nicd- | it's very much possible that the problem is in the SIM holder | 16:57 |
mornfall | Nicd-: causing reboots? | 16:58 |
Nicd- | my reboots stopped when they replaced the SIM card holder | 16:58 |
tbr | Nicd-: that's if it asks for PIN | 16:58 |
mornfall | I have PIN disabled. | 16:58 |
mornfall | but I did get the "sim card replaced" error once | 16:58 |
mornfall | re-seated the sim and no such warnings since | 16:58 |
mornfall | also, it usually reboots when I'm doing something | 16:58 |
tbr | try cleaning the contacts | 16:58 |
tbr | sounds more like the contact impedance issue | 16:59 |
mornfall | probably, yeah | 16:59 |
mornfall | I think it also only happened with <50% battery and under (some) load | 17:00 |
mornfall | will try it when I get home | 17:00 |
tbr | a very very simplified way would be just to reseat the battery 10 times and wiggle it a bit while doing so | 17:01 |
tbr | preferably something more thorough that can get rid of gunk and oxide | 17:01 |
tbr | e.g. a hard rubber eraser | 17:01 |
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mornfall | oh, btw... what sources of data traffic there are on jolla? | 17:38 |
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mornfall | besides IM accounts, mail sync | 17:38 |
mornfall | I suppose android creates some traffic if I don't kill aliendalvik | 17:39 |
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mornfall | seems to me there's way more cell traffic than there should be | 17:39 |
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Yaniel | update check | 17:40 |
mornfall | that'd be a single packet once in a while no? | 17:41 |
mornfall | we are talking megabytes a day | 17:41 |
tigeli | mornfall: you can run tcpdump againts rmnet0 | 17:41 |
tigeli | but by default.. if you are not using -> no much data should be transferred | 17:42 |
mornfall | I'll leave tcpdump run, we'll see | 17:45 |
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mornfall | I guess I broke something (tried to open a new window in fingerterm) | 17:46 |
mornfall | the original froze | 17:47 |
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Yaniel | it does that sometimes | 17:47 |
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Yaniel | and it's extremely annoying when that happens | 17:47 |
Yaniel | especially if you miss the "application is not responding" dialog | 17:47 |
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mornfall | so I guess on my phone it's the VPN that's eating data, but the other jolla doesn't have a VPN on it IIRC | 17:49 |
mornfall | but I won't get to it for a while | 17:50 |
mornfall | 14M in 4 days of passive network presence definitely seems like a lot | 17:50 |
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mornfall | oh dear, IPP discovery in my home network is causing a fair bit of traffic too :-) | 17:59 |
mornfall | well, I guess there's stuff to fix with the network setup | 17:59 |
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tigeli | mornfall: sure.. vpn keepalive can cause some data traffic :) | 18:11 |
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mornfall | also, IP6 multicast | 18:15 |
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mornfall | ok, the twitter account generates some traffic too (probably not much) ... | 18:26 |
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wesbluemarine | Hi :) | 19:56 |
wesbluemarine | plfiorini | 19:56 |
plfiorini | hello wesbluemarine | 19:57 |
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* plfiorini brought another user to the jolla | 19:57 | |
Ezko | is there a way to not have the suggestions appear when typing? | 19:58 |
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TemeV | Ezko: yes there is, I think there was instruction in vkb thread in maemo.org | 20:02 |
TemeV | need to change some qml file | 20:02 |
Ezko | aha | 20:03 |
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TemeV | https://together.jolla.com/question/41627/feature-request-option-to-turn-onoff-keyboard-word-suggestions/ | 20:04 |
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Ezko | thank you | 20:06 |
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mkollaro | is anyone else stumbling against the bug that doesn't let you connect the phone via usb? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1314556 | 20:54 |
Merbot | Launchpad bug 1314556 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Unable to mount Android MTP device" [High,Confirmed] | 20:54 |
mkollaro | technically I'm using Mint 16, but I'm getting the same errors as in that bug report | 20:54 |
cb400f | there was something on together.jolla.com about needing newer libmtp at one point | 20:55 |
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mkollaro | do you know which version? | 20:56 |
mkollaro | funny thing is, it worked a few days ago for me...and now it just stopped :/ | 20:56 |
cb400f | https://together.jolla.com/question/34046/mtp-does-not-work-with-10420-ohijarvi-and-kubuntu-1310/ | 20:57 |
cb400f | seems you need > 1.1.6 | 20:57 |
cb400f | but that's an old problem.. maybe you have a different one | 20:57 |
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* cb400f only recently upgraded to a system with libmtp 1.1.7, and hasn't tested the jolla mtp yet | 20:57 | |
cb400f | mostly use ssh/fish | 20:58 |
cb400f | seems mtp is not working for me either.. but I don't have any other mtp devices, so I can't say if it's a jolla issue or an issue with distro | 21:01 |
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keithzg | MTP has never worked for me with my Jolla, but on my distro (Kubuntu) Android MTP has, with a few moments of flakiness and weird duplication in the file browser, long been quite reliable. | 21:05 |
cb400f | mkollaro: ah, it does work for me now... a bit slow... and about 6 different mtp icons appear in Dolphin, but I get a file tree and I can browse it | 21:06 |
mkollaro | I'm trying to upgrade it now, let's see if this works... | 21:07 |
cb400f | it worked me until update 4, like the tjc report says... and seems now after upgrading to libmtp 1.1.7 it works again | 21:07 |
cb400f | but it always seemed much more annoying than normal usb mass storage, not sure what the benefits are supposed to be | 21:07 |
keithzg | Oh, that's pretty simple. | 21:07 |
keithzg | With mass storage, you can't have it mounted by the device at the same time as it's mounted by the OS, which causes all sorts of headaches. | 21:08 |
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keithzg | Plus the OS has to be able to understand the storage then, which traditionally has meant it has to be fat32, which is ugly and should be ashamed of itself ;) | 21:08 |
cb400f | ah, that makes sense ;-) ... I never noticed any problems with the N9 though, but they were probably there | 21:09 |
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mkollaro | yep, upgrade to 1.1.7 worked | 21:10 |
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cb400f | cool | 21:10 |
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keithzg | Yeah, they definitely were. I often had filenames and folder of music that were named perfectly fine for Linux but fat32 couldn't handle. Plus it meant that the system had to have a fixed smaller size and *then* the user got the rest for storage, but that meant you had to put everything in /home/user/MyDocs, and Harmattan could potentially run out of room despite you having plenty of space for files. | 21:11 |
mkollaro | ...or not | 21:11 |
cb400f | ah :-) | 21:11 |
phlixi | I highly recommend to use something like sftp, mtp sucks... | 21:11 |
phlixi | (and you do not wear off your isb connector when using wlan^^) | 21:12 |
mkollaro | now my file manager lists it under devices, but I still get the same errors | 21:12 |
phlixi | usb* | 21:12 |
keithzg | Certainly wasn't a dealbreaker (hell, I still use my N9 as my primary smartphone) but it does complicate things. And woe be he who does a dirty unmount on a FAT partition :P | 21:12 |
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* phlixi used sftp on n9 and n900 as well^^) | 21:13 | |
keithzg | mkollaro: you're using nautilus or whatnot for browsing to it? And yeah, enabling SSH and using SFTP is definitely the way to go if you can. | 21:13 |
keithzg | But it *might* be worth pulling in Dolphin and trying to see if it's the underlying library or instead your particular file manager that's having troubles. | 21:14 |
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mkollaro | keithzg: and is it somehow possible to create a connection even if you don't have any router handy? | 21:14 |
phlixi | for work i have to use android, mtp there sucks as well, creating a new folder needs windows to reboot... lol.. use sshdroid there too for sftp ;-) | 21:14 |
keithzg | mkollaro: Yeah, you can set up USB networking, it's a bit more effort but in my experience it's extremely reliable and pretty quick. | 21:15 |
phlixi | you can do network over usb as well (and thus also sftp) | 21:15 |
mkollaro | keithzg: do you have any link to a tutorial for that? :) | 21:15 |
keithzg | That's what I do at work since we have our wireless and wired networks seperated. | 21:16 |
cb400f | mkollaro: I actually also tested accessing the phone via ssh when the phone was acting as a hotspot, and that worked | 21:16 |
cb400f | never needed it in practice though, but someone asked if it was possible so I tried it | 21:16 |
phlixi | i would google something like jolla usb tethering and for setting up sftp maybe jolla enable sshd | 21:16 |
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cb400f | so if there's no router.. set the jolla as hotspot... connect pc to hotspot... enjoy ssh/sftp | 21:18 |
keithzg | mkollaro: It was simple enough for me to set up. Step 1: connect my Jolla to my desktop. Step 2: See the possible connection pop up. Step 3: Edit the connection to manually set the address and netmask (I used 192.168.2.14 on my desktop, and 255.255.255.0 as the netmask; my Jolla already defaulted to using 192.168.2.15 IIRC, you can find that in the Developer Mode section in Settings). | 21:20 |
keithzg | Step 4: Hit "connect" in the network manager applet in KDE. | 21:20 |
keithzg | But, yeah, using a hotspot seems like a potentially simpler method, if a bit more battery-intensive. | 21:21 |
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mkollaro | hm, now I got stuck re-enabling the developer mode :/ | 21:25 |
mkollaro | I really shouldn't have disabled it... | 21:25 |
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phlixi | why the hell would someone disable developer mode? (sorry for not beeing helpfull...) | 21:32 |
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keithzg | What's the issue with re-enabling? How's it failing? | 21:36 |
* keithzg does agree though, developer mode is the only right and just mode ;) | 21:36 | |
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mkollaro | well, the mtp mounting was working just a few days ago, and the only difference between then and now AFAIK was that I enabled developer mode and updated to the latest version | 21:38 |
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mkollaro | so I tried if the developer mode wasn't causing some issues | 21:39 |
mkollaro | but nope | 21:39 |
mkollaro | now it's just writing "enabling developer mode" for 20 minutes | 21:39 |
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keithzg | Hrmmm | 21:43 |
keithzg | I definitely remember getting that before, but entirely forget how I got around that, sorry :( | 21:43 |
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kimmoli | wtf, su shuts me up: Jolla su[15837]: pam_unix(su-l:session): session closed for user nemo | 22:08 |
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just4info_ | does SyncEvolution still work for two-way syncing the jolla phone with owncloud? or is there a better solution? | 22:23 |
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dunp | btsync? | 22:36 |
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just4info_ | dunp, syncing owncloud with bitsync? O.o | 22:52 |
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dunp | sync to directory | 22:55 |
dunp | same share.. | 22:56 |
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just4info_ | dunp, hum alright thanks, I#ll look into it | 23:40 |
just4info_ | i did never think of using btsync to sync my calender&contacts | 23:41 |
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dunp | no just files.. :D | 23:44 |
dunp | i sync my photos to own server.. | 23:44 |
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just4info_ | dunp, and i was already like: what a fancy solution! :P | 23:46 |
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just4info_ | no need to actively sync pics, doubt that i would have enoth space for that anyways, i'm only trying to sync the calender and the contacts | 23:47 |
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