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FredrIQcan I lock landscape mode?07:55
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Nicd-FredrIQ: yes, from settings -> system -> display07:56
Nicd-or temporarily by holding your finger on the display while rotating it07:56
FredrIQty07:57
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Nicd-TOHKBD has now collected double of the original goal :)09:59
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kimmolitbr: moo. r0kkerz got his myhalf.10:34
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kimmolii have still one fully assembled.10:35
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tbr:)10:36
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dr_gogeta86kimmoli how much for two board ?10:53
kimmolii have _one_10:54
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tbrkimmoli: I still have some devaamo boards, but not many10:56
kimmoliif there is more interest, need to make another batch with latest gerbers10:57
tbr*nod*10:57
kimmoliand maybe assy them in estonia10:58
Ezkowhat's a myhalf10:58
tbra simple breakout with a led an eeprom and level shifters10:58
kimmolihttps://app.younited.com/?shareObject=c7c09b15-0f7f-9172-1450-ff848a28e0c510:58
Ezkoaha10:59
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kimmoliaand i'm again out of stock.11:33
tbr:)11:33
tbrif you need more PCBs, let me know. there are still about 1011:33
kimmoliok11:34
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AL13NPCBs?11:44
AL13Nkimmoli: you making something?11:45
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tbrAL13N: read scrollback.11:46
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AL13Ntbr: is it this: "kimmoli: if there is more interest, need to make another batch with latest gerbers" ?11:47
tbr10:58:29< Ezko> what's a myhalf11:48
tbr10:58:50< tbr> a simple breakout with a led an eeprom and level shifters11:48
tbr10:58:52< kimmoli> https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=c7c09b15-0f7f-9172-1450-ff848a28e0c511:48
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AL13Nit looks like some sort of helper board that might fit in an OH11:50
AL13Ntbr: i don't have that scrollback... how odd.. unless it's from yesterday11:50
tbrit's from an hour ago...11:51
tbrthere is a log link in the topic11:51
AL13Nyes, i understand, i just, i was connected... so it's odd that i didn't see it11:52
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kimmoliAL13N: filtering my messages?12:12
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chem|stso xmpp is officially broken now?13:05
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Armadillois it?13:06
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chem|stit sometimes refused to login, now it did not login anymore so I tried all things like toggle active/disable, reentering password and finally deleting the account and setting it up again, now I do not see it in presence anymore13:06
chem|stand yes I restarted services and rebooted too13:07
kimmoliJust mentioning here too that toholed otherhalfs are available > pm for details13:07
Jopehmmmmmm13:08
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Sceltchem|st: been unstable already for a while :(13:09
chem|stScelt: that I know but the only sane messaging service on the phone is now gone... I am || that close to buy a new battery for my n900 and use that until there is SailfishOS-stable and probably jolla2.013:10
Sceltno wonder13:11
chem|stwhat do I need to kill to get presences reset? lipstick?13:11
chem|stnope wasn't lipstick13:14
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chem|sta reboot brought it back, but what do I need to kill if it is stuck... rebooting is not an option!13:28
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chem|stso I changed the port and priority to something else than default and it is gone again!14:00
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chem|stseems like if I interfere with it in any way than just leaving it "online" does break something14:02
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chem|stnope reboot does not fix anything14:03
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chem|stnow, I deleted it, I will set it up with custom settings after reboot... we will see what that does...14:04
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chem|stnope not working, I need to reboot to get the xmpp account activated14:11
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chem|stoh not even that... it does not activate with settings other than default14:12
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kimmolihttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-dragonfly-futurefon--315:12
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CvP_Hi15:21
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NRKADo any one knows if kismet can be installed on jolla?15:23
* Nav does miss kismet - was really handy on my n90015:23
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Navand with an enormous battery TOH you could actually run it for a sensible amount of time!15:34
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kimmolitbr: ping, send me few pcb's more. i'll deposit some dough to you then16:25
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tbrok, will do16:26
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* pahartik got mobile network service with appropriate IPv6 routing today, will test on "Jolla Mobile" soon16:31
tbrpahartik: native ipv6?16:31
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pahartiktbr: Yes, that16:45
tbrpahartik: which operator has that. :-O16:46
* tbr wants to know16:47
pahartiktbr: It is not official product yet, sort of test phase that I got involved in16:49
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tbrpahartik: if they need more testers...16:53
pp_:-)16:54
mornfallis there a new shutdown/reboot issue in Uitukka?16:54
pahartiktbr: And I did not get answer to question about whether I can refer other interested parties to person who set me up to it16:54
tbrmornfall: not that I've heard of.16:54
pahartiktbr: Are you on IRCnet?16:54
tbrpahartik: yes, same nick16:55
mornfallhm16:55
mornfallI just had two shutdowns today, and a few in the last week or so16:56
tbrmornfall: have you tried cleaning the battery contacts yet?16:56
mornfall(I am using the paper fix, which stopped the reboots a long time ago; I did change my sim recently, after updating)16:56
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mornfalltbr: do you think the contacts need cleaning every few months?16:56
mornfall(entirely possible, just wondering)16:57
Nicd-mornfall: have you sent it to care?16:57
mornfallno16:57
tbrmornfall: it seems to be a construction weakness that's easily cured16:57
Nicd-it's very much possible that the problem is in the SIM holder16:57
mornfallNicd-: causing reboots?16:58
Nicd-my reboots stopped when they replaced the SIM card holder16:58
tbrNicd-: that's if it asks for PIN16:58
mornfallI have PIN disabled.16:58
mornfallbut I did get the "sim card replaced" error once16:58
mornfallre-seated the sim and no such warnings since16:58
mornfallalso, it usually reboots when I'm doing something16:58
tbrtry cleaning the contacts16:58
tbrsounds more like the contact impedance issue16:59
mornfallprobably, yeah16:59
mornfallI think it also only happened with <50% battery and under (some) load17:00
mornfallwill try it when I get home17:00
tbra very very simplified way would be just to reseat the battery 10 times and wiggle it a bit while doing so17:01
tbrpreferably something more thorough that can get rid of gunk and oxide17:01
tbre.g. a hard rubber eraser17:01
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mornfalloh, btw... what sources of data traffic there are on jolla?17:38
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mornfallbesides IM accounts, mail sync17:38
mornfallI suppose android creates some traffic if I don't kill aliendalvik17:39
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mornfallseems to me there's way more cell traffic than there should be17:39
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Yanielupdate check17:40
mornfallthat'd be a single packet once in a while no?17:41
mornfallwe are talking megabytes a day17:41
tigelimornfall: you can run tcpdump againts rmnet017:41
tigelibut by default.. if you are not using -> no much data should be transferred17:42
mornfallI'll leave tcpdump run, we'll see17:45
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mornfallI guess I broke something (tried to open a new window in fingerterm)17:46
mornfallthe original froze17:47
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Yanielit does that sometimes17:47
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Yanieland it's extremely annoying when that happens17:47
Yanielespecially if you miss the "application is not responding" dialog17:47
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mornfallso I guess on my phone it's the VPN that's eating data, but the other jolla doesn't have a VPN on it IIRC17:49
mornfallbut I won't get to it for a while17:50
mornfall14M in 4 days of passive network presence definitely seems like a lot17:50
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mornfalloh dear, IPP discovery in my home network is causing a fair bit of traffic too :-)17:59
mornfallwell, I guess there's stuff to fix with the network setup17:59
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tigelimornfall: sure.. vpn keepalive can cause some data traffic :)18:11
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mornfallalso, IP6 multicast18:15
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mornfallok, the twitter account generates some traffic too (probably not much) ...18:26
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wesbluemarineHi :)19:56
wesbluemarineplfiorini19:56
plfiorinihello wesbluemarine19:57
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* plfiorini brought another user to the jolla19:57
Ezkois there a way to not have the suggestions appear when typing?19:58
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TemeVEzko: yes there is, I think there was instruction in vkb thread in maemo.org20:02
TemeVneed to change some qml file20:02
Ezkoaha20:03
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TemeVhttps://together.jolla.com/question/41627/feature-request-option-to-turn-onoff-keyboard-word-suggestions/20:04
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Ezkothank you20:06
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mkollarois anyone else stumbling against the bug that doesn't let you connect the phone via usb? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/131455620:54
MerbotLaunchpad bug 1314556 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Unable to mount Android MTP device" [High,Confirmed]20:54
mkollarotechnically I'm using Mint 16, but I'm getting the same errors as in that bug report20:54
cb400fthere was something on together.jolla.com about needing newer libmtp at one point20:55
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mkollarodo you know which version?20:56
mkollarofunny thing is, it worked a few days ago for me...and now it just stopped :/20:56
cb400fhttps://together.jolla.com/question/34046/mtp-does-not-work-with-10420-ohijarvi-and-kubuntu-1310/20:57
cb400fseems you need > 1.1.620:57
cb400fbut that's an old problem.. maybe you have a different one20:57
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* cb400f only recently upgraded to a system with libmtp 1.1.7, and hasn't tested the jolla mtp yet20:57
cb400fmostly use ssh/fish20:58
cb400fseems mtp is not working for me either.. but I don't have any other mtp devices, so I can't say if it's a jolla issue or an issue with distro21:01
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keithzgMTP has never worked for me with my Jolla, but on my distro (Kubuntu) Android MTP has, with a few moments of flakiness and weird duplication in the file browser, long been quite reliable.21:05
cb400fmkollaro: ah, it does work for me now... a bit slow... and about 6 different mtp icons appear in Dolphin, but I get a file tree and I can browse it21:06
mkollaroI'm trying to upgrade it now, let's see if this works...21:07
cb400fit worked me until update 4, like the tjc report says... and seems now after upgrading to libmtp 1.1.7 it works again21:07
cb400fbut it always seemed much more annoying than normal usb mass storage, not sure what the benefits are supposed to be21:07
keithzgOh, that's pretty simple.21:07
keithzgWith mass storage, you can't have it mounted by the device at the same time as it's mounted by the OS, which causes all sorts of headaches.21:08
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keithzgPlus the OS has to be able to understand the storage then, which traditionally has meant it has to be fat32, which is ugly and should be ashamed of itself ;)21:08
cb400fah, that makes sense ;-) ... I never noticed any problems with the N9 though, but they were probably there21:09
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mkollaroyep, upgrade to 1.1.7 worked21:10
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cb400fcool21:10
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keithzgYeah, they definitely were. I often had filenames and folder of music that were named perfectly fine for Linux but fat32 couldn't handle. Plus it meant that the system had to have a fixed smaller size and *then* the user got the rest for storage, but that meant you had to put everything in /home/user/MyDocs, and Harmattan could potentially run out of room despite you having plenty of space for files.21:11
mkollaro...or not21:11
cb400fah :-)21:11
phlixiI highly recommend to use something like sftp, mtp sucks...21:11
phlixi(and you do not wear off your isb connector when using wlan^^)21:12
mkollaronow my file manager lists it under devices, but I still get the same errors21:12
phlixiusb*21:12
keithzgCertainly wasn't a dealbreaker (hell, I still use my N9 as my primary smartphone) but it does complicate things. And woe be he who does a dirty unmount on a FAT partition :P21:12
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* phlixi used sftp on n9 and n900 as well^^)21:13
keithzgmkollaro: you're using nautilus or whatnot for browsing to it? And yeah, enabling SSH and using SFTP is definitely the way to go if you can.21:13
keithzgBut it *might* be worth pulling in Dolphin and trying to see if it's the underlying library or instead your particular file manager that's having troubles.21:14
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mkollarokeithzg: and is it somehow possible to create a connection even if you don't have any router handy?21:14
phlixifor work i have to use android, mtp there sucks as well, creating a new folder needs windows to reboot... lol.. use sshdroid there too for sftp ;-)21:14
keithzgmkollaro: Yeah, you can set up USB networking, it's a bit more effort but in my experience it's extremely reliable and pretty quick.21:15
phlixiyou can do network over usb as well (and thus also sftp)21:15
mkollarokeithzg: do you have any link to a tutorial for that? :)21:15
keithzgThat's what I do at work since we have our wireless and wired networks seperated.21:16
cb400fmkollaro: I actually also tested accessing the phone via ssh when the phone was acting as a hotspot, and that worked21:16
cb400fnever needed it in practice though, but someone asked if it was possible so I tried it21:16
phlixii would google something like jolla usb tethering and for setting up sftp maybe jolla enable sshd21:16
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cb400fso if there's no router.. set the jolla as hotspot... connect pc to hotspot... enjoy ssh/sftp21:18
keithzgmkollaro: It was simple enough for me to set up. Step 1: connect my Jolla to my desktop. Step 2: See the possible connection pop up. Step 3: Edit the connection to manually set the address and netmask (I used 192.168.2.14 on my desktop, and 255.255.255.0 as the netmask; my Jolla already defaulted to using 192.168.2.15 IIRC, you can find that in the Developer Mode section in Settings).21:20
keithzgStep 4: Hit "connect" in the network manager applet in KDE.21:20
keithzgBut, yeah, using a hotspot seems like a potentially simpler method, if a bit more battery-intensive.21:21
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mkollarohm, now I got stuck re-enabling the developer mode :/21:25
mkollaroI really shouldn't have disabled it...21:25
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phlixiwhy the hell would someone disable developer mode? (sorry for not beeing helpfull...)21:32
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keithzgWhat's the issue with re-enabling? How's it failing?21:36
* keithzg does agree though, developer mode is the only right and just mode ;)21:36
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mkollarowell, the mtp mounting was working just a few days ago, and the only difference between then and now AFAIK was that I enabled developer mode and updated to the latest version21:38
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mkollaroso I tried if the developer mode wasn't causing some issues21:39
mkollarobut nope21:39
mkollaronow it's just writing "enabling developer mode" for 20 minutes21:39
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keithzgHrmmm21:43
keithzgI definitely remember getting that before, but entirely forget how I got around that, sorry :(21:43
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kimmoliwtf, su shuts me up:  Jolla su[15837]: pam_unix(su-l:session): session closed for user nemo22:08
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just4info_does SyncEvolution still work for two-way syncing the jolla phone with owncloud? or is there a better solution?22:23
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dunpbtsync?22:36
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just4info_dunp, syncing owncloud with bitsync? O.o22:52
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dunpsync to directory22:55
dunpsame share..22:56
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just4info_dunp, hum alright thanks, I#ll look into it23:40
just4info_i did never think of using btsync to sync my calender&contacts23:41
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dunpno just files.. :D23:44
dunpi sync my photos to own server..23:44
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just4info_dunp, and i was already like: what a fancy solution! :P23:46
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just4info_no need to actively sync pics, doubt that i would have enoth space for that anyways, i'm only trying to sync the calender and the contacts23:47
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