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dunpi sync photo if i loose my phone...00:10
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pdanekIs younited natibe app still being developed? Or was it ever?00:19
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* pahartik finds out that "Jolla Mobile" does not accept IPv6 autoconfiguration from mobile network by default06:12
Stskeepsit's one of those things that's not the easiest to test for06:12
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Stskeepspahartik: mail me at carsten.munk@jolla.com about it and what mobile network you have?06:13
pahartikStskeeps: DNA mobile network in Finland06:14
Stskeepsthey offer ipv6? that's cool06:14
pahartikStskeeps: Not official, but I got involved in testing phase06:15
Stskeepsok, let's see what we can help with06:15
Stskeepstigeli: ^^06:15
Stskeepsi think there's something about that we don't ask for a ipv6 context at all through RIL06:16
pahartikStskeeps: Tested for day on "CyanogenMod Android" LTE device, so I know that it actually works with operator06:18
Stskeepsnod06:18
Stskeepsyou're doing quite a lot of ipv6 work aren't you? you showed up several times in my grep :)06:18
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pahartikStskeeps: I am big time IPv6 fan06:19
Stskeepswe should really have a ipv6-jolla week to weed out the rest of issues..06:22
Nicd-wish there was some way to have IPv6 at home... but nope06:23
Nicd-without tunneling that is06:23
pahartikStskeeps: That would be nice06:24
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pahartikStskeeps: Sure I can send e-mail message, but what information should it contain?06:28
Stskeepspahartik: basically 'how to reproduce' / what didn't happen as expected, ifconfig outputs, etc..06:29
Stskeepsso i have a contact point for you06:29
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pahartikStskeeps: "ip address" output of success and failure... And what I think might be relevant06:38
pp_sixxs is pretty ok (tho somewhat involved go get started)06:39
pp_I heard noises dna will be doing the ipv6 launch day next year so maybe not that far away :-)06:39
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pahartikpp_: I have been using tunnels on mobile and wired networks for ~10 years already, so native IPv6 would be welcome "at last"06:44
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xkr47hi07:05
xkr47the jolla sailfish eula mentions "a version of our Software that can be more freely hacked" and refers to sailfishos.org for details.. do you know where I can find details on this?07:06
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Stskeepswell, #sailfishos-porters is probably a good start07:16
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Nicd-hey, anyone else have an invisible keyboard clicking when you pinch zoom sometimes?10:29
Nicd-so instead of the image zooming in or out, you just hear the clicking of the vkb and the phone vibrates10:30
Nicd-there's at least 3 of us that have had that happen10:30
simbrownNicd-: Yeah, especially with the Maps app10:30
Nicd-seems to be reported: https://together.jolla.com/question/60898/bug-keyboard-feedback-sounds-heard-when-zooming-in-some-apps/10:31
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tigelipahartik: Stskeeps: our ofono drivers does not yet support ipv6v4 pdp (or fallback to separarate ip (ipv4) and ipv6 pdp's). Yes, and I do also have a sim from DNA which supports ipv4v6.. and we do have a bug about the thing. :)10:40
tigelithere will be a national ipv6 launch on 9th June on Finland10:41
Stskeepstigeli: i think it was a oneliner thing.. we discussed it before didn't we10:41
tigeliStskeeps: yes, we did. But I think it requires bit more work on the driver side..10:42
tigeliwhen comparing to current driver the isimodem driver which supports ipv610:43
tigeliStskeeps: also, it seems that lots of androids running on 4.x do not support ipv6 on mobile either but Nokia devices from 2004 do :S10:44
tbrnokia was big on ipv6, support, just that no operator rolled it out...10:45
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Nicd-tigeli: do you know if anyone is actually in on the national ipv6 launch here?10:49
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Nicd-they just dug some new fiber outside our apartment. getting ipv6 would be nice10:51
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Nicd-but I'm not being too optimistic about that :P10:52
tigeliNicd-: dna is10:52
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tigeliat least10:52
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tbrI'm positively surprised that an operator is moving. The announcement was luke warm at best.10:53
pp_suppose their cisco cable modem cpe's (which they have been flogging for the last few years vs. dsl) are ready10:53
tbrthis might now create at least a tiny bit of pressure on the other ones to also get their arse up10:53
tigeliNicd-: but I think they will only do it on home subscriptions..10:54
pp_if you have adsl/vdsl2 it might be a bit different :-)10:54
Nicd-tigeli: well, it was Elisa digging the fiber anyway10:54
tigeliI've dealed with Sonera and Elisa this summer to get ipv6 on company subscriptions.. oh, and what a pain...10:54
tbrsonera continues to tell you " you need a business subscription" and then it takes you two months to find out that it costs 10x as much as a regular one10:54
Nicd-and apparently Elisa is going to offer new connections for us when the year changes10:55
pp_(and on mobile they can just tell customers to switch APN's and if it doesn't work, switch back)10:55
tigeliElisa had to upgrade like 3 routers on their way to get us ipv6 :D10:55
tbrinteresting, most telcos opt for stuffing ipv6 into a tunnel (MPLS or GRE) and then do the ipv6 routing only at one central location10:56
tigelipp_: actually dna is not even requiring to reconfigure the apn and that's how it should be done10:56
pp_they just switch a bit on you for beta testers?10:56
tbryou still need to switch your phone to use a dual-stack context though10:56
tigelipp_: yes10:56
pp_nice10:57
pp_I guess they've deduced that if a phone does that, it will work properly and no customer support to switch the bit back off is needed10:58
tigelipp_: there should not be any problems because the device can ask for ipv6v4, ip & ipv6, ip or ipv6 contexts...11:01
tigelioops ipv4v6 :)11:02
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tigelitbr: I think their stuff was just running wrong ios.. :)11:03
tbr:)11:03
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tigelitbr: with sonera we are still doing the ipv6 deployment.. idiots though that they could have juniper and cisco doing vrrp together.. well they don't :D11:08
tbr<nelson>Ha-ha!</nelson>11:09
tbrtigeli: you have ipv6 PI space?11:11
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mkollarois the yandex store actually working? for me it's always just a progress wheel and nothing ever loads11:18
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joonahoiis there a way to get android notifications to appear in the lock screen?11:37
joonahoithey do appear in the notifications screen though11:38
joonahoiwould be nice to get them to lock screen and / or get the LED to react to them11:39
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AL13N_workjoonahoi: i think there's a good chance that they might be busy on that, go check in tjc11:50
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tigelitbr: nope.. still using PA assigned blocks. In future I hope we have our own AS and PA's :)13:30
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tigelimakes things much easier13:30
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pahartiktigeli: Acknowledged14:02
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chem|stdoes anyone have nokia here beta installed?14:22
chem|stI am unable to login and want to know if I am doing something wrong14:22
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Nicd-I have it14:28
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chem|stare you using your nokia account or facebook?14:40
Nicd-I created a new account14:42
chem|stso nokia account14:42
Nicd-the here beta account is different from a nokia account at least14:42
Nicd-it won't work in the regular here14:42
chem|stuh?14:42
Nicd-did you create a new account?14:44
chem|stno14:44
chem|stI try to use my nokia account, just like on here.com14:44
Nicd-that won't work14:44
Nicd-"HERE accounts supercede the old Nokia and Ovi accounts, but you can migrate your collections from your old Nokia accounts to a new HERE account."14:44
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chem|sthmm... where do you get this?14:47
chem|stwhen I login on here.com it fwds me to a nokia login page14:48
Nicd-yes but here.com is different from the here beta14:49
chem|stah found it, account.here.com -> import14:49
Nicd-here.com is going to be replaced with the new here (here beta) and that requires a here account14:50
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chem|sthere.com is still nokia, the new here is here...14:50
Tomohere, what is here? is it here now?14:50
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chem|stNicd-: thanks works...14:56
chem|st9GB for europe... does the samsung 64GB sdcard work with jolla?14:57
chem|stevo or pro?!14:57
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Tegufuu fuu, the vibration problem hit my jolla :( no more vibrations...15:55
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Stskeepscontact care@ ?15:59
ballockwhat's the big deal with here? Are we going to get navigation here?16:02
Teguyea, I should16:03
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AL13N_workStskeeps: is there a way to trigger a vibrate, to see if it's hw or just a software glitch and/or setting?16:12
ggabrielAL13N_work: csd tool?16:14
WntAL13N_work: dial *#*#310#*#* on the phone, select individual tests -> component -> vibrator16:15
AL13N_workhaha, no way, really?16:16
AL13N_workindividual tests?16:16
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ggabrielyup16:16
AL13N_workthat's pretty cool16:18
AL13N_workbut ok, i guess this means contacting care@16:18
ggabrielif you have to tap fail, yeah :)16:18
AL13N_work"have to"16:18
AL13N_worki guess it depends on your honesty :-)16:19
ggabrielyou'd only be fooling yourself16:19
AL13N_workyou'd be amazed at how good some people are at that16:19
AL13N_workeven people you would think they would never have any ability16:20
TeguInalso had to tap fail. the weird thing is, that for some time the vibration didn't work only on incoming calls. in Fingerterm and csd it worked. now it does not ork anywhere16:20
AL13N_workor maybe "especially"16:20
AL13N_worki remember typing fast in fingerterm and suddenly stopping vibrations16:20
Tegumaybe I should have disabled he fingerterm vibration. it seems to be too much for the hardware :(16:21
AL13N_workthe problem with the fingerterm vibration is that it sets the duration depending on how long you hold the key16:21
AL13N_workit should really be static duration16:21
Tegubut then aain, it can be enabled for the normal keyboard, too16:22
Teguah16:22
AL13N_workimho16:22
AL13N_worki use fingerterm a lot16:22
Tegumd too16:22
AL13N_worki actually don't really miss the vibration on fingerterm that much16:22
TeguI wonder if that is a connecting factor between the issues a tjc16:23
AL13N_workmaybe someone should build a screen that gives slight electroshock via the touchscreen at certain positions16:23
Tegum neiher, actually I like this more (I don't use vibration in he normal kbd)16:23
AL13N_workwell, it *is* a bit useful to know when the key is actually pressed,16:24
Tegudidn't nokia work on some haptic tech? haven't heard about it in ages16:24
AL13N_workso, imho it's not better, but i don't miss it much16:24
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* pahartik checks out "Nokia N900" and it also does not accept IPv6 autoconfiguration from mobile network16:28
AL13N_workwhile that's important... i think it's of growing importance to detect or dismiss "fake" celltowers16:32
AL13N_worki have the feeling there's one near my house16:32
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Tegufake celltower?16:34
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AL13N_workyou know how you can with certain hardware and software make a fake celltower and intercept cellphones and control them16:35
AL13N_workreboot them and such16:35
Tegu:O16:35
AL13N_workyou didn't know?16:35
Tegunope16:35
Oni^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfcq8clu1RI Defcon 21 - Traffic Interception and Remote Mobile Phone Cloning with a Compromised CDMA Femtocell16:37
Teguisn't the connection encrypted? then again, I don't really know about this stuff16:37
Oni^If you are tower you can tell phone what encryption to use : D16:37
Teguouch16:38
AL13N_workyes16:38
AL13N_workthere's a linux program or os or something specifically for this kind of hardware16:38
AL13N_workwhich you can apparently by for a few k's16:38
AL13N_work*buy16:39
TeguI want end-to-end encrypted connections :(16:40
Tegudunno how hard they are, though16:40
AL13N_workplus, i bet a lot of providers don't use encryption or a very bad/old one16:40
AL13N_workwhatever is the cheapest16:40
Teguthere is an unencrypted mode? blah16:42
AL13N_workat some time there is no traffic on all phones16:43
AL13N_workand sometimes it's supposedly there, but nothing works, no calls, no network, on all phones16:43
AL13N_workthis is why i think there's such a tower near my house16:44
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AL13N_workTegu: there's "blackphone" supposedly it's secure, except for ISP + NSA and it will set you back big monies for less apps16:45
Teguis it possible to report them to operator? or do they do anything for it16:45
AL13N_workand medium hardware16:45
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AL13N_workTegu: i have no idea16:45
Teguthey know theirtowers and could probably measure id there's some fake one16:46
Tegu(disclaimer: this was based on nothing)16:46
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AL13N_workTegu: the question is more "would they care"16:48
AL13N_worki probably costs too much for them to do anything about this16:49
Teguyea, true16:49
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Tegubut I guess it would not hurt to inform then about your thoughts nd let them do or not do anything16:50
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AL13N_worki guess so16:51
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kimmolispiiroin: https://github.com/kimmoli/tohkbd2-daemon/commit/5aa3f22788daef4f0ff4136cee075b3d091b3b6119:49
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HtheBStskeeps: ping22:34
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