#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2014-11-18

disttigeli: looking at that screen all the time00:00
dist"Checking..."00:00
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tigelidist: does the store-app work for you?00:02
distNot really. No apps, no categories00:03
distoh00:08
distWas there some "do not use weird chars in your password"?00:08
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tigelidist: there should not be such problem..00:09
distWell.00:10
distThere is now! \o/00:10
tigeli:D00:10
dist(changed password to something simple and boom, works)00:10
tigelistrange00:10
distAnd I could add an account, it just didn't work00:10
tigelidist: ok.. there could a problem on 1.0.0.500:10
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distYeah, this is a bit old now..00:11
dist"Checking.."00:11
distSOOON00:11
tigelidist: check private query :)00:11
distAnd.. "Up to date"00:12
distThat says "Soon" right?00:12
distAh and the store says there's a problem00:15
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disttigeli: Update available! Muchos gracias!00:24
distAnd installing.. Almost done!00:31
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distWatch looked fun. I hope the battery lasts multiple days..00:35
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keithzgI'd be good with a watch, tablet, or a phone that support 3G over AWS. Either of those three and I can imagine using it daily!00:50
keithzgWatch doesn't make sense for "something BIG is about to begin", though, unless they're being obnoxiously clever and "BIG" is some sort of acronym, heh.00:51
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lpottermaybe its not a smartwatch, but a smart wall clock01:29
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keithzghahahaha that'd be utterly hilarious01:43
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Teemubig wall clock hanging from necklace?06:12
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Teemuearly rap stars trying to see how dumb and weird you can look before anybody starts to call your cards if you've finally lost it06:13
Teemuuntil someone figured out there's no such thing06:13
Teemuyou just gotta self-regulate as the audience will just cheer no matter what you do, where you go, how much you push06:13
Teemualso: haters gonna hate06:14
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Nicd-hmm, my device lock seems to be partly broken07:06
Nicd-it no longer locks the shortcut pulldown menu on the top of the lock screen, is this a known bug?07:06
ln-it's not a bug07:07
Nicd-the silence option was always available but now I can also open the apps07:07
Nicd-I don't think that's a good thing07:07
ln-doesn't it ask for the code when you select an app?07:07
Nicd-yes but the app still opens07:07
Nicd-it just opens in the background until I unlock the device07:08
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Nicd-so for example I can turn on the flashlight with the device locked but I can't turn it off without unlocking07:09
Nicd-I think the idea is good (less swiping to start an app when device is locked) but I think the app should *only* start when the lock code is input correctly07:11
Nicd-now it's started instantly, just invisible in the background07:11
ln-this has been discussed in tjc, i think.07:13
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Warnaudmorning07:36
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Kiranos_I hope its not a tablet for todays announcement08:22
Warnaud:)08:23
pp_nokia booklet 4g!08:23
Kiranos_yea they will be hopelessly lost after apple in the tablet section08:23
Warnaudindeed08:23
Warnaudeven running Microsoft OS on it (cynism inside™®©)08:24
Kiranos_:)08:24
Nicd-a windows tablet would really be a let down. there's no way for them to differentiate really08:24
mekluI doubt they'll touch MS software with a ten foot pole now :P08:24
Nicd-or android tablet for that matter08:24
mekluwe'll see what manifests08:25
Kiranos_I really like apples frontend on the tablet, I have nothing to complain about, it works great and the new air series is light as hell08:25
Kiranos_jollas main thing with swipe I feel is to operate the phone with one hand, that does not apply to a tablet08:25
Nicd-oh you're talking about jolla, not nokia?08:26
mekluI don't think taps work particularly well on tablets either08:26
Nicd-jolla's announcement is tomorrow08:26
Nicd-nokia's is today08:26
meklua tappety-tap-tap-tap interface blows08:26
meklu:<08:26
mekludoesn't matter what the device is08:27
Warnaudsomebody posted here ( https://twitter.com/nokia/status/534345460333285377/photo/1 ) doesn't look like (to me) a tablet, maybe a phone or TV/cloud box08:27
Acceone button interfaces are best08:27
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Nicd-Warnaud: they're not doing phones anymore08:27
mekluunless it's a telegraph or something08:27
Nicd-so it's not going to be a phone08:27
Accehold for 5 seconds to go to call menu - hold for 2 seconds to open your app - tap to continue08:27
Kiranos_nokies seems like a rip off of apple tv :)08:27
Kiranos_jollas announcement was what I was thining about, I hope its a new phone08:27
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Kiranos_take what you've learned from this year and improove the hickups08:28
Nicd-I don't think jolla's announcement is a phone either08:28
Kiranos_no think jollas will be a tablet :(08:28
Nicd-there's just no way with their current sales08:28
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mekluI hope it's not a new phone yet08:29
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meklua year-long shelf-life would sound pretty silly08:29
Accethere's no way because they announced the current model as "new" in few countries just recently08:29
mekluyup08:29
Accebad move to piss off the supporters08:29
Nicd-and it would kill the sales of the original phone08:30
mekluI'd suspect they might have some plans a year from now08:30
AcceI hope it's something that the world has not seen yet08:30
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Accesomething really new.. but my hopes are not high :<08:30
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WarnaudI hope for a "special" Other Half08:31
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entilwhat does "special" mean for you?08:33
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WarnaudWell some nice new tools or extensions capabilities (extra battery/double sim/connectors/back screen)08:34
sqozza TOH that have another use besides looking nice is "special" for me :)08:34
mornfalltohkbd :)08:35
entilthe thing is that there's some community effort for most of that08:35
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entilso it's not likely jolla will get involved, though yeah, there should be official jolla toh's08:35
mornfalla stable update would be nice you know :P08:35
Warnaudyes I know, just thinking they might have done one, it would be easier for jolla08:35
entilbut if/when their business strategy is in partnerships, they'd shoot themselves in the head with going for tohs08:35
entilmornfall: :D08:35
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Warnaudyes also I agree, they can also annouce some kind of partnership to push/manufacture faster TOH08:37
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WarnaudI have a small question for you guys, in my android days I used and abuse of a software called Pocket (I also have it as plugin in my Web Browsers) do you know of an alternative that would run on Sailfish OS? (it's the only missing part I would need :) )08:39
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pp_ha, http://i.nokia.com/r/image/view/-/2434034/extraHighRes/1/-/Nokia-BH-221-Hero-jpg.jpg08:40
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mornfallpp_: kind of big isn't it?08:43
pp_yea, + old product anyway08:43
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tehdelypp_: i bought one of those08:47
tehdelythe OLED display is barely visible08:47
tehdelythis is apparently a very common problem with them08:47
tehdelyi have to have all of the lights off to make out anything it says. nokia never acknowledged the problem or provided a fix.08:47
tehdelyit's actually a pretty neat device otherwise but i feel like I got ripped off.08:48
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* gexc just got the jolla utility update and thinks jolla is using machine translation for Chinese :-(08:53
Nicd-guys08:56
Nicd-it's a tablet08:56
Nicd-http://n1.nokia.com/08:56
Nicd-android tablet08:57
mekluoh, x86_6408:57
mekluthat's not something you'll see every day in that market08:57
gexc #wat08:57
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ln-seriously, an android tablet?  #whocares08:58
SK_worklooks pretty08:58
gexclooks like Nokia DC-1 the powerpack08:58
mekluhmm, z launcher is still a thing08:58
SK_workI will wait for the 9th iteration08:59
mekluheh08:59
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Nicd-now the site went blank08:59
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SK_worklooks pretty, based on AOSP ?08:59
Nicd-guess they revealed too early08:59
meklua fairly boring product though :<08:59
Nicd-SK_work: no info08:59
mekluit'll probably be back in an hour09:00
SK_workmeklu: boring, but pretty09:00
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mekluSK_work: agreed09:00
SK_workthey know how to do a product09:00
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SK_work(HW wise)09:01
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* gexc saw a big black box ?09:01
SK_workgexc: you missed it :D09:01
SK_workanyone got screens ? :)09:01
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meklugexc: it was a tablet with the zlauncher09:01
mekluhttps://www.zlauncher.com/09:01
mekluno screens, sorry :<09:02
Teguyea we need screens09:02
gexclol09:02
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Tegui just got the teaser page09:02
meklualready managed to navigate away from it09:02
Tegu:(09:02
meklubut it's got a quad-core 64-bit intel cpu09:02
Tegumaybe browser cache?09:02
TemeVdas windows 7 + firefox cache images somewhere?09:02
mekluso an x86_64 android tablet09:02
TemeV*does09:02
gexcsounds funny...09:05
lainwir3dhi09:05
Scelthttps://www.dropbox.com/s/dhhslf9f9bgnavo/nokia_n1.JPG?dl=009:07
Scelthttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/541672/Nokia%20N1.html09:07
SK_workthx Scelt09:07
gexcthanks09:07
SK_workyou are the best :)09:07
Teguthey circulate around IRC now09:08
Tegudunno, but that a tablet? meh..09:09
gexcNokia and Intel, without meego, hmm...09:09
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leinirintel's been pushing anroid for a while now09:10
tadzikN1? That's, like, years behind N900 :(09:11
tadzik(/s)09:11
juergbiatom with powervr graphics :/09:11
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leinirhuh... interesting choice, intel won't have been happy about that09:14
marinaioI though Intel used HD graphics on its tablet soc09:14
marinaiothought09:14
juergbileinir: intel designed that chip, so....09:14
TMavicai have interest on it..09:15
juergbiit looks like they still make powervr SoCs in addition to the intel HD graphics SoCs09:15
TMavicabut will see how Jolla tablet look like too09:15
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gexcpossibilities for mer on it?09:16
entilpeople keep mentioning atom, is that something we should care about?09:16
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meklu"oh no, the horror, it's not an i7"09:17
ggabrielo/09:18
meklu\o09:18
ggabrielanybody here owns a nocs ns500? (headphones, in-ear)09:19
ggabrieli know it sounds like an unrelated question, but htey have an android and non-android version09:20
ggabrieli wanted to know if anybody tried them on the jolla :D09:20
mekluI've never owned any in-ear headphones, so I can't help you with that D:09:21
ggabrieli guess it's all about the 3 button "remote"09:22
ggabrielwhich i really don't care about09:22
ln-is nokia on silver stage?09:22
mekluyup09:23
ln-roger09:23
ggabrielwhat are they saying?09:23
ln-they're only just about to start09:24
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Accea tablet?09:25
Acceuhh, why09:26
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SK_workAcce: because no phone09:26
Acceyeah, but a tablet is not really that far from a phone.. I wonder who they think will buy it09:26
SK_workAcce: it don't look that bad09:27
Acceit might be nice hardware platform for sailfish OS though09:27
SK_workif heavily advertized, it can be nice09:27
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SK_workAcce: wait for tomorrow :) maybe the sailfish tablet is here09:27
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AcceI don't mean it looks bad, I mean, the android tablet market is just flooded imo09:28
SK_workAcce: the tablet market09:28
SK_workindeed09:28
SK_workit's hard09:28
SK_workbut that's their only way to get something I guess09:28
entilso someone cooks up a "scribble a glyph" launcher for sailfish and trololo09:28
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Acce(my opinions might be biased by the fact that I still don't see the use case for a tablet if you have a good phone :P )09:28
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Sceltggabriel: http://cloudfront.slush.org/live/09:29
meklua tablet is pretty useless09:29
SK_workAcce: I have x phones y tablets z computers at home, and close to all of them are useful09:29
SK_work(except one tablet)09:29
Sceltsilve starge -> "Live stream"09:29
SK_workx y z > 209:29
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ggabrielScelt: ta09:29
SK_workgf likes the 7' tablet, much nicer than a phone, and less clumsy than a computer09:30
leinirz is not pronounced c :P09:30
Accehmm09:30
Accewell, we'll see how nokia's breach to the market will fare09:30
leinir(yes, i know it in in the US, but they suck at pronunciation anyway ;) )09:30
entilthe only people buying that will be patriotic finns09:30
entil"finally we can support the fatherland!"09:31
Accebut they should concentrate on making something revolutionary, rather than take over the old markets09:31
Acceentil: we can support it by buying n Jollas :P09:31
entilsure09:31
entiljolla launched here as beta, that may have put off some people tho09:32
entilfortunately finland's a relatively small market09:32
TMavicaIf Jolla no any special on Jolla Tablet, just with big screen, it is no reason to buy it09:32
ggabrielnot sure whether he's announcing an "app" or an os or what09:33
AciidI need a new coffee coaster anyways. so a jolla tablet is welcome09:34
Aciidfor everything else there is mastercard09:34
* gexc is not going to buy any digitizer-less tablets09:34
HartziLol, nokia made a tablet :P09:34
ggabrielah, there you go, it runs android09:36
ggabrielmeh09:36
mekluholy shit09:36
meklu$24909:36
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Acceonly 249$?09:36
SK_workthe price is awesome09:36
Accefor that hardware??09:37
SK_workdeal breaker09:37
SK_workhow much ram ?09:37
Scelt209:37
SK_worktablet for the next billion09:37
gexclol09:37
entilis that much?09:37
entillol I can't believe how out of the tablet and whatever scene I am :P09:38
ggabrieli'd buy a jolla tablet tho09:38
ggabrieldespite the fact that i don't need one09:38
SK_workggabriel: is it a Jolla tablet ? :)09:38
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SK_workmaybe phone 2 ?09:38
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SK_workthe world don't need yet another tablet indeed09:39
SK_worka better experience could be: remove those soft keys please ?09:39
Warnaudhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/17/nokia_mystery_product/ :D lol the "5th" item09:40
entil<309:40
gexchmm...kidnapped by ms, sold to ms, making tablets again, making phones again,..what's the points of all this...09:40
ggabrielSK_work: my comment was unrelated to tomorrow's announcement :)09:40
SK_workggabriel: ha ?09:40
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AcceI hope it's Jolla virtual reality glasses! then I can just Jolla all my life09:42
Nicd-ok, so the tablet is cheap09:42
Nicd-is there any other differentiating factor?09:42
mekluthe launcher09:43
mekluand that's about it09:43
Nicd-but the launcher seems to be available on google play for others too09:43
Sceltaluminium body, chinese partner, running nose. anyone???09:43
WarnaudAcce: +109:43
Nicd-maybe jolla's reveal tomorrow is sailfishos on the nokia n1 ;)09:44
SK_workNicd-: lol09:44
gexclol09:44
SK_workthe edge doesn't match09:44
Acce"It's a rendering problem"09:44
* gexc is wondering when will the product name count to n9 again09:45
SK_workmaybe in 9 years ?09:45
gexclol09:46
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Sceltthen they will skip to n10 because of 3rd party if-clauses: if (OS.version startsWith 'N9')09:46
tadzik:D09:46
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gexc:-/09:46
ggabrielor maybe they just do lowercase n09:47
lainwir3dI'm probably not looking at the good live stream, cause it doesn't seems to have something to do with nokia09:47
tadzikimplying there is 3rdparty software for n9**09:47
meklulainwir3d: it ended already09:47
lainwir3ddamn09:47
Nicd-http://n1.nokia.com/ is open again09:47
mekluhas been for a few minutes09:47
ggabrielyet-another-android-gizmo09:48
fennekkiwell, at least it's not google09:48
fennekkishruug09:48
ggabrieloh, he meant z, not c09:48
Milo-sailfish maybe09:48
gexcwat, webos-style round icons?09:48
fennekkiand Nokia's stuff seems better than the Samsung crapware09:48
SK_workfennekki: let's see09:48
fennekkiI absolutely hate Touchwiz09:48
SK_workwhat I want is a not-so-closed bootloader09:48
SK_workwell, I already have this, on the Nexus 709:49
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Nicd-did anyone notice, it uses MicroUSB type C09:49
Nicd-which is reversible like lightning09:49
Nicd-first device I've seen with that09:50
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SK_workNicd-: yep09:50
SK_workseen this09:50
SK_workcompatible with microusb ?09:50
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Nicd-with an adapter :P09:51
Warnaud:D09:51
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gexcnokia 'yet-another-android-tablet' n109:54
SK_work:(09:55
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SK_worksee this: https://twitter.com/SirajSoft/status/53464479120873062409:55
lainwir3dNew jolla device is in fact a coffee chocolate : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2rSz08IAAAdpOj.jpg09:56
Nicd-:D09:56
lainwir3d(with bluetooth)09:57
SK_workI have seen this one from Yves09:57
lainwir3d(don't ask me how it works)09:57
lainwir3dSK_work: it's from Yves :)09:57
SK_workhe is pretty good at having fun with Jolla renders09:57
Blizzzcoffee++ chocolate++09:57
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SK_workhe made a sofa with the OH close up09:57
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* SK_work waits for Marc Dillon on stage tomorrow10:02
SK_workbecause Marc Dillon = <310:02
Nicd-I've shook Marc's hand!10:03
Nicd-greatest moment of my life10:03
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SK_workNicd-: me too10:05
SK_workseveral times :P10:05
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SceltNicd-: never washed your hand since?10:06
Nicd-Scelt: nope!10:06
Nicd-it's starting to get moldy though10:06
mekluslap some vinegar on it10:07
mekluthat should preserve it a bit better10:07
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tbrkeithzg: pdo is sort of what you get at build.merproject.org if you go to the right view10:14
tbr(just noticed in scrollback)10:14
tadzik(damn, those here maps are actually quite sweet)10:15
tadzikexcept that I had to absolutely sign up to download the maps for offline use, but they didn't even bother to verify the email, so that's alright10:15
fluxI wouldn't mind, though, if the native here maps app was better :)10:17
tadzikyeah, same10:18
AL13N_worki don't have any update :-(10:18
AL13N_worki just checked10:18
kimmoliwhere are all #jolla people at #slush?10:19
AL13N_workkimmoli: are you there?10:20
phaeronkimmoli: tomorrow10:20
kimmoliyes10:20
* tadzik imagines kimmoli as a real-life derp10:20
tadzikor however that meme face is called10:20
kimmoliheh10:21
kimmolitrying to locate someone10:21
tbrkimmoli: was told that slush costs couple of hundred and decided that it's not for me then10:22
kimmolinot cheap yes10:22
meklufour hundred*10:22
AL13N_workwut10:23
AL13N_workand what is at slush?10:23
AL13N_workis there anything worth seeing?10:23
mekluit's startup conference thing10:23
meklu+a10:23
meklunot convinced there's anything interesting there10:23
mekluapart from maybe the jolla announcement10:23
ln-what's nokia doing at a startup conference?10:24
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tadzikreminiscing the times when it was cool10:24
Fryeln-, they are starting over? :D10:25
mekluoh, it starts at 10.35 tomorrow10:25
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meklu(8.35 UTC)10:25
meklumarc dillon's presentation/talk/w/e10:26
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TheBootroo|workHi !10:27
TheBootroo|workWazup ?10:27
ggabrielTheBootroo|work: o/10:27
ggabrielnokia has a new tablet10:27
ggabrielit runs <drums>android</drums>!10:27
TheBootroo|workyeah and it's pretty boring10:27
ggabrielearth shattering news10:27
ender|has anybody had sometimes been unable to answer calls on Uitukka? The phone rings, I pull it out of my pocket, but the display doesn't respond to anything until it stops ringing (volume button works however)10:27
Fryeit ru(i)ns android?10:27
ggabrielender|: too many applications open?10:27
TheBootroo|workYet another Android tablet10:27
ender|ggabriel: nothing open at all10:28
ggabrielFrye: android is already ruined10:28
Fryehehe10:28
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mekluandroid was stillborn10:28
TheBootroo|workWhat do you guys expect for tomorow from jolla ?10:28
ggabrielTheBootroo|work: a spare battery10:28
mekluprobably a tablet10:28
TheBootroo|workMe : a big phablet, huge HW specs, Jolla 210:28
ender|the touchscreen simply refuses to acknowledge that i'm touching it until the moment the phone stops ringing10:28
mekluggabriel: expectations, not wishes :)10:28
TheBootroo|workmaybe 6.6"10:28
ln-an android tablet10:28
ggabrielmeklu: my expectations are pretty low10:28
tbrender|: I've had it that the display would wake up but lock on the ringing screen and not react to touch10:28
meklua phablet would seriously suck10:28
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ender|tbr: any workaround?10:29
kimmoliwed only 205€10:29
TheBootroo|workNot sure how the current jolla UI would be used on a 8" or more screen10:29
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TheBootroo|worki don't know what i would prefer10:29
mekluthere was a speculative UX blog post about such an interface recently10:29
TheBootroo|workmeklu: link ?10:29
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tbrender|: not really10:30
tbrender|: hoping that it got fixed for U1010:30
ender|:p10:30
mekluTheBootroo|work: http://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.com/2014/10/multi-touch-and-bigger-screens.html10:31
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entilmeklu: nice11:14
entilhaha btw, nokia should've called the tablet n+1 to signify that there are already n android tablets out there11:14
Nicd-n^211:15
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meklun² would work to signify its flatness, since it wasn't a box after all11:16
meklun³ would've worked for a streaming box11:17
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SK_worksymbian s^311:18
Nicd-yeah, they have experience with that kind of naming11:19
ahjolinnathe Nokia N1 tablet uses Intel atom, so it should be easy to install Linux on it and SailfishOS to it11:19
mekludepends on the bootloader11:20
mekluand how locked up the whole thing i11:20
meklus11:20
ahjolinnatrue11:20
leinira reminder that the part of nokia that cared about openness is no longer a part of nokia ;)11:20
ahjolinnaI hope for the best11:20
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pp_foxconn probably wants to sell a bunch of tablets -> they don't care11:21
ahjolinnait would be fun if you could hack on it11:21
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ahjolinnathe Nokia N1 specs. are fun for that price : http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/252910-nokia-n1-8-inch-android-lollipop-tablet-with-ipad-like-design-and-64-bit-intel-processor/11:22
pp_re tomorrows announcement, my guess is vendor X(iaomi?) licensing SF and launching a device11:23
SK_workpp_: no Xiaomi11:23
SK_workthey got SO MUCH success11:23
leinironeplus two ;)11:23
SK_workdon't think so either11:23
SK_workmaybe some no name chinese retailer11:23
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TMavicaNO ANY CHINA BRAND...11:26
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AL13N_workthe new update, is that only for the ones signed up? cause i don't have it yet :-(11:32
SK_workAL13N_work: released as opt-in indeed11:32
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iamtewany word on when it will be released for the rest of us?11:35
AL13N_workok, so it's another fix on the opt-in one11:35
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AL13N_workwell, i would prefer it be released then the connman issues are straightened out :-)11:35
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AL13N_worki didn't see any tagged question on tjc yet though11:36
stephgiamtew: it may never be11:36
stephg(the changes may be rolled into u10)11:36
iamtewthat's not very reassuring11:36
Nicd-I think U9 will be skipped for the rest and released with U1011:36
tadzikmultitouch is cool and all but you still can't tap two checkboxes at the same time11:36
tadzikNicd-: inspired by windows :P11:36
mekluinspired by "holy shit this has some issues"11:37
AL13N_workiamtew: they are migrating to a new version of connman, so it's best that all is fixed before i get it11:37
Teguand then u10 will be given as opt-in as well? and its features will be given to everybody in u11? :P11:37
tadzikjU11a11:37
AL13N_workwell, unless it's not noob-friendly or doesn't work right, i doubt they are gonna go there11:37
AL13N_workthen again, you can opt-in for it if you want to11:38
Teguyea11:38
AL13N_workit's my primary phone, so i don't11:38
pp_seems to work fine despite the warnings of being buggy :-)11:38
pp_(or maybe I just don't use a lot of memory)11:38
AL13N_workpp_: did you find any release notes for the last opt-in update?11:39
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AL13N_worki suppose it's 1.1.0.40 or something11:39
Teguyup, I guess I won't opt-in either..11:39
Sceltpp_: better than used to be. haven't halted a phone once because of messageserver5 (email sync?) not getting what it wants11:39
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SceltAL13N_work: primary phone here too. been better since opt-in update11:40
SceltAL13N_work: but of course it's risky11:40
AL13N_workScelt: what's the version?11:40
Scelt1.1.0.3911:41
pp_1.1.0.38 vs 39?11:41
Sceltno newer available for me11:41
AL13N_work1.1.0.39 is the old one from 24.1011:41
Sceltwhat. new opt-in?11:41
AL13N_worki donno, yesterday some people said something about yay update or something11:41
Nicd-sailfish utilities was just updated11:42
AL13N_workah11:42
Sceltyeah, that updated11:42
kimmolimeh, 3G is so.poor upstairs at slush11:44
Nicd-too many devices :P11:45
TeguI would imagine that it is a bit congested11:45
kimmolihave to come downstairs to get comms11:45
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AL13N_workah, so it's "shielded" ?11:47
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pdanekDoes anyone have link to today's Nokia stream from Slush?12:07
Scelthttp://cloudfront.slush.org/live/12:07
pdanekIt happened already, maybe some archive?12:07
pdanekthx12:07
pdanekSeems old streams can't be watched anymore.12:09
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pdanekIt's on YT!12:11
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pdanek1http://youtu.be/2yJxGdWkcMo12:12
entildo they stream everything?12:12
entilin case I get to catch marc tomorrow12:12
pdanek1no, only 3 videos on Slush seem to be on YT as for now12:13
Sceltentil: seems so12:13
entilyay12:13
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pdanek1maybe they stream everythoing12:13
pdanek1but not everything is on YT immediately12:13
Sceltentil: different streams for every stage12:13
pdanek1but also this Nokia video12:13
pdanek1is mandatory for all Sailors12:13
pdanek1just because12:13
pdanek1!12:13
pdanek1:D12:13
marinaiothey stream everything, but not everything gets uploaded on youtube12:14
pdanek1ye12:14
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pdanek1Are you all watching?12:20
pdanek1:D12:20
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ahjolinnaI think the slogan should be; Nokia N1 - fancy way of saying that Windows was a mistake12:29
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ruskiehehe12:36
ruskieit actually looks nice12:36
ruskiestill would prefer a jolla tablet12:36
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AL13N_workthat nokia thing, is that some kind of phablet?12:38
pdanekno, tablet12:38
popeylooks more like a tablet12:38
ahjolinnajust a tablet12:38
TofeIt does look nice. But they still do the same mistake, I think: they announce it too early. February/March is too far !12:38
ahjolinnaintel tablet12:38
pdanekAndroid tablet with Lollipop with Z launcher on top of it12:38
pdanekand it was presented the Apple way12:38
AL13N_workthat Z launcher sounds stupid12:39
pdanekWhy?12:39
AL13N_workit's like little kids12:39
pdanekLooks reasonable to me, I have a lot of issues with finding the app I need.12:40
Mirvthat must be cultural, to me it sounds stupid only because it reminds me of a certain work/project management system ;)12:40
AL13N_worki would prefer sailfishos...12:40
AL13N_workinstead of yaAndroid12:40
ruskieAL13N_work, I'd prefer a tablet designed by jolla but also sailfosh made for a tablet12:41
fennekkicrackpot theory: Sailfish for N1 tomorrow12:41
pdanekThe hype!12:41
pdanekExcept that the image shown on jolla.com doesn't match.12:41
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pdanekIt's from different dveice.12:41
pdanekSo maybe Jolla tablet + Sailfish for N112:41
pdanekOr, shark with lasers other half12:42
NavI'd buy it!12:42
Nav*EVERYTHING* is better with lasers12:42
AL13N_worklol12:42
Navand sharks12:42
Warnaudture12:42
Warnaud:D12:42
pdanekvery true12:42
ruskiehehe12:42
Warnaudtrue*12:42
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Tegulaser pointer toh12:43
AL13N_worklaser battery toh12:44
Teguwith lastu shark12:44
pdanek:D12:44
NavHmmm, I have some lasers and a 3d printer....12:44
NavJust need a shark...12:44
AL13N_worklaser keyboard toh12:44
TeguAL13N_work: like this? http://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2011/08/16/26a7a1dc-fdb8-11e2-8c7c-d4ae52e62bcc/0bc28d65356045f3443bbe92ebf364dd/e722_cube_laser_virtual_keyboard_for_iphone_inuse.jpg12:45
Tegucrazy url12:45
AL13N_workcrazy12:45
anonfrieseawh, laser keyboards!!! are they still around? had one in 2006 or sth. like that with my old palm :)12:46
stephgcan't be for an apple product, there's a DEL key!12:46
anonfrieseif it still works with modern smaartphones? doesn't jolla have bt-hid support by now?12:47
fluxquite few new backers on tohkbd since the jolla pre-announcement.. ;-)12:48
pdanek:O12:48
pdanek1000 is the goal12:49
AL13N_workstephg: lol12:49
pdanekI wonder if anyone will buy HERO edition12:50
fluxwell, if they won't announce jolla2.0 I'm pretty sure it will be reached. similarly, if they announce a physically compatible jolla1.1 or jolla2.0 or something else completely, I think 1000 will be reached :)12:50
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pdanekMaybe they announce new CEO coming from Microsoft.12:51
Tegu:D12:51
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fennekkipdanek: maybe Microsoft bought Jolla already12:51
Tofepdanek: from Google ;)12:51
fennekkino, wait12:52
fennekkimaybe Facebook purchased Jolla12:52
fluxjolla1.1 compatible with the US market would be pretty big..12:52
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fennekkicompatible with the US market12:52
fennekkido you mean a model that can be vendor locked?12:52
AL13N_workit would be funny if Jolla announced as new CEO elop12:52
fluxno, support the 3g frequencies in the US12:52
fennekkiooohh12:52
fennekkiright12:52
AL13N_worksounds like a good april fools joke12:52
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AL13N_workflux: you mean 4G?12:53
fluxwell, ok, 4G as well :). now they are mostly in the 2G land?12:53
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pdanekI got so used to 4G already, there is no way back.12:53
AL13N_worki thought only 4G frequencies12:53
AL13N_worki can be wrong12:53
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fluxnoo, i think 2G is it.12:54
pdanekI think with Jolla in US, you get only 2G12:54
pdanek70% sure12:54
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marinaiohttps://together.jolla.com/question/54269/4g-in-the-usa/12:55
marinaioonly 2g in usa, as pdanek said12:55
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fluxsomeone should've built a 3g/4g ToH ;-)12:57
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flux(but not feasible - for one, I2C is too slow to be worth the trouble)12:58
fennekkithat'd need a peculiar firmware hac12:58
fennekkik12:58
Mirvpdanek: yes, I was in US last month, 2G only :S12:58
Mirvalthought cheap rates now thanks to my operator, it was reasonable to use some data if needed12:58
Mirvbut if I was living there, obviously it wouldn't cut it12:58
ggabrielit isn't like the US mobile network works very fast anyway12:59
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flux..it must be faster than 2G anyway :)13:00
fluxyou should switch to 2G to refresh your memories about its performance ;-)13:01
AL13N_workbluetooth 4G should be possible13:01
AL13N_workwith I2C control bus13:01
ggabrielnot planning/willing to go back to the US soon13:01
ggabrielbut it was pretty bad when i was there13:01
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ggabrieland yes, as fast or slower than GPRS13:01
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Armadillodid they announce the Nokia Toaster? :)13:37
secYes13:37
secTablet13:37
pdanekWhy not, Europeans will always give EU product slight advantage in deciding what to buy.13:38
fennekkipdanek: nah13:38
pdanekSo they can succeed with Nokia N1.13:38
pdanekhm13:38
fennekkibut Europeans *will* often prefer products from their own country13:39
pdanekMaybe depends on country.13:39
pdanekI'm not Finnish and I would prefer Nokia just because it's European poroduct.13:39
tadziksame13:39
ln-Made in China.13:39
covoxclearly foxconn have done some (if not all) of the engineering13:39
tadzikhey, at least it's not a US company13:39
Sceltln-: what it's nowadays?13:39
secClothes13:40
Sceltln-: what isn't I meant to ask13:40
pdanekDoesn't matter where it's made, nowadays everything will come from all parts of the world.13:40
pdanekMatters if Europe gets money for it or not.13:40
pdanekIr it supports EU companies or not.13:40
covoxhttp://www.ft.com/fastft/238102/nokia-launches-tablet-partnership-with-foxconn13:40
secThose are Indian, Bangladeshi13:40
Nicd-well, finns will probably eat it up. we are pretty much the only country where windows phone is popular13:40
Sceltsec: yeah, they are from bangladesh13:40
pdanekhttp://highway.slush.org/ - Silver Stage13:41
pdanek14:40 - Europe: big ocean, small fish13:41
Nicd-did you notice? 'But Mr Haidamus said that "we will be looking at going into the cell phone licensing business post-Microsoft rights".'13:41
Nicd-about Nokia13:41
ShadowJKcovox; foxconn does all the engineering, manufacturing, distribution (!) and sales (!)13:41
ShadowJKso basically it's 0 risk for Nokia, they get a percentage of every device foxconn manages to sell?13:42
pdanekBut the things Foxconn does, are they really with high margin?13:42
pdanekDevelopment & design is what we need to do in Europe.13:42
StskeepsShadowJK: .. and care!13:42
covoxthat part isn't so surprising, they've been jonesing to release their own hardware based on their accrued manufacturing know-how (asus style) for a while13:42
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covoxnow leasing the hollowed-out corpse of nokia for branding? that's an interesting move13:43
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ShadowJKStskeeps; yeah! Let's see if foxconn can do worse :D13:44
pdanekNokia manufacturing will not return to Finland, forget it.13:44
pdanekR&D is the strength.13:45
pdanekDays of high quality German-made products are gone. :(13:45
Jopenot to mention the days of high quality finnish made products. :-D13:46
SceltNokia products <313:46
Sceltlike Hakkapeliitta13:46
Sceltstill made in Finland (and Russia)13:46
Jopeat least those are still mostly made in .fi13:46
Jopethen again my next winters probably won't be hkpl8s :-/13:47
JopeI'll be contributing to the downfall13:47
SceltJope: sissy13:47
Jopesissy?13:47
SceltHakkapeliittas or nothing!13:47
Jopemore like I have lots of money holes so I need to look at the price too :-D13:47
Scelteat less, drive more :P13:47
Jopekek13:47
Sceltno, they are very expensive13:47
Sceltthat's true13:47
ShadowJKI vaguely recall new nokia tyres getting bad reviews, something to do with trying to be more "eco", so all the studs are either useless or fall out?13:48
* ShadowJK shrugs13:48
Jopeyeh 800e for hkpl8s vs. 600e for goodyears..13:48
JopeShadowJK, that was a LONG time ago with the hkpl413:48
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Jopewe're talking 10 years ago13:48
Jopeand it was one bad batch13:48
ShadowJKoh13:48
Jopewhich they recalled13:48
JopeI remember those tyres being sold later :-)13:48
Sceltyeah, I still have a set of hakkapeliitta 4s13:48
Jopewith SCRAP marks burned on them13:48
Scelt90 % of studs still there13:48
Jopescelt heh.. I hope as museum pieces?13:48
Jopeor are they nordman 4s?13:49
pp_my hakka4's (from .ru I'd guess) were ok13:49
ShadowJKwell, 10yo is roughly what my source for all car-related stuff, my coworkers, consider brand new13:49
SceltJope: no, under car13:49
Jopewow13:49
pp_or was it nordman the russian brand13:49
Jopenordman is the nokia el-cheapo brand yes13:49
SceltJope: in good shape! only hard13:49
Jopeold models get demoted to nordman13:49
Jopescelt indeed.. they're in "eternity mode" now13:49
Jopeno traction, but they don't wear either!13:49
Jopeyou've only got the studs to provide grip :-)13:49
Jopethe rubber compound is hardened13:49
SceltJope: nah, they are okay. mfc in '0713:49
Nicd-btw, the tires are not Nokia13:49
Nicd-they are _Nokian_13:50
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Jopedude, those tyres were old in 2010 already :-)13:50
Jope3 years is just about the max that the rubber in winter tyres still works13:50
SceltJope: maybe I'm just hell of driver then?13:50
Jopesure13:50
Scelta little like Kimi Räikkönen13:50
Jopeit's a personal choice, you are free to do it13:50
Nicd-been looking at a Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8 set, but so expensive :<13:51
JopeI believe kimi drives with fresh tyres every time :-)13:51
SceltJope: but much longer then others13:51
Jope:_)13:51
ShadowJKi don't want too much traction, the toe-in on my car is fucked, if there was grip it'd rock left and right going down the road13:51
Jopejust pre-empt your driving.13:51
JopeShadowJK, then you need to go to the garage to get the steering realigned :-)13:51
Nicd-ShadowJK: without traction you will be fucked13:51
SceltJope: I thought about buying new set but the few thousand km I drive in winter, I thought that they are okay13:51
ShadowJKJope; they didn't have big enough hammer13:52
Jopescelt, the problem is, you aren't always in control of the situations13:52
Jopescelt, some joker comes behind the yield sign.. some animal jumps in front of oyu ..13:52
SceltJope: I know. "ennakoi - tiedät kyllä miksi"13:52
Jopeyes13:52
Nicd-this discussion has now convinced me to get new tires13:52
Nicd-<_<13:52
Jopenicd, I'm happy about that13:52
Sceltme too!13:52
Warnaud:P13:52
Jopevery often after these discussions people still consider their 10 year old winter tyres ok13:53
Jopeto exaggerate a bit13:53
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SceltJope: tbh, you are right. I should buy new set but the truth is, no matter how good tyres you have, you still gotta drive gently on winter. winter is not summer, even with hell of a tyres13:53
ShadowJKThat snowstorm that knocked out powergrid couple of weeks ago, almost needed new wintertyres going through that one.. Or more ground clearance so front of car doesn't snowplow as much13:53
JopeI remember one winter before I realised this I had some really dry winters on13:53
* iekku doesn't know how old tyres are13:53
JopeI couldn't get up the concrete ramp at work13:53
JopeI bought new tyres13:53
Jopeand the same ramp posed no problems :-D13:53
Jopebut hey, all studs were there + 5mm+ of surface left :-D13:54
Nicd-I didn't actually know they get bad so fast13:54
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SceltJope: but got a new set of hakka blues last year, they are awesome. so I know what's the diff between good and not-so-good tyres13:54
Jopescelt <313:55
ShadowJKI have 5mm surface left on summer tyres, but only when length is measured.. depth is gone ;D13:55
ortylpBTW: is it nokian or jolla channel...?13:55
Jopeheheh13:55
Jopeyeh, drifting a bit off topic :-D13:55
Jopebut that's irc..13:55
iekkuJope, reminds me about my previous car...13:55
kimmolihop13:55
Jopealthough I guess we're on freenode where the normal rules don't apply :-)13:55
* Jope puts on a straight face and desists.13:56
* iekku was a passanger when going from ramp to motorway13:56
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Nicd-Jope: know if there's a big difference between hkpl 8 and 7 and maybe nordmans?13:57
lainwir3dhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2umWBTCYAA5K22.jpg13:57
lainwir3da crank !13:57
Nicd-:D13:57
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tadzik:D13:57
iekkuJope, i had that "sport" bmw then and i'm pretty sure tyres weren't as good as my other half said they were13:57
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kimmoliyes, meritähti is open13:59
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iekkukimmoli, :D14:00
kimmolianyone to join me and dirk?14:00
Stskeepsmight join in a few hours..14:01
iekkukimmoli, if i were in helsinki i would definaely join14:01
sechttps://twitter.com/mashant/status/53404097417630515414:01
entiltoday's a nogo :(14:01
entilwould be sweet to join tho14:01
tadziksec: heh, looks interesting but I call bullshit14:04
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phaeronkimmoli: it is still open ?14:05
kimmoliwe are here so yes14:07
phaeronkimmoli: interesting it was supposed to be closed14:08
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iekkuphaeron, maybe there's new owner or something14:08
kimmolidunno. hyperburgers should be renamed to "smartburgers"14:09
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iekkukimmoli, menu is same?14:10
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entilhard to imagine meritähti ever changing owners14:10
Milo-a burger shouldn't be smart.14:10
kimmolilooks same14:10
entilthe hungarian guy who runs it imports spices or whatever that he sells beside food14:10
Nicd-"spices"14:11
Sceltspices you smoke14:11
Nicd-http://www.thelocal.se/20141118/six-in-hospital-after-gothenburg-spice-scare14:11
Nicd-looks like he visited gothenburg ;D14:11
entiltraveling without moving14:11
entiltell me of your homeworld, usul14:11
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Nicd-the spice is vital for space travel14:12
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Jopespice extends consciousness14:13
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Nicd-expands*14:13
Jopeyou're right14:13
entilmmmm shaiiii-huluuuud14:13
Joperealized that after pressing thii entter key14:14
* tbr walks without rhythm14:14
entilwormsign the likes of which not even god has seen!14:14
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iekku:o14:16
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entilo:14:19
Jopeö14:19
entil.o.14:19
entilmy god I'm bored14:19
Jopeo14:19
Jope"14:19
Jope:-D14:19
entilD:14:19
meklu°O°14:20
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covox(╯°□°)╯ ︵ɐ||oɾ14:21
entilwtf :D14:22
entiloh, it says jolla14:22
inzIn australian14:23
entilhaha14:23
covoxjust turning it the right way up14:23
AL13N_workhahaha14:23
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pdanekɐ||oɾ looks a bit like ellot14:29
entilnot to be confused with elop14:29
pdanek:)14:29
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* sledges gets popcorn for this development of new davinci codes :)14:32
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Jopeumop apisdn14:39
JopeI can do it with 7-bit ascii.14:39
SK_work:D14:39
covoxthe dot on the i is the wrong way14:40
Jopedetails, details :-D14:41
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svuorelabah. fedex. but nice exercise I got today. and now with a extra phone14:54
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anYcdid anyone else experience little distortions of the voice during calls with their jolla? like there's something lying on the speaker.15:22
anYcvolume is at <50%15:23
Nicd-then maybe you should start speaking the truth once in a while ;)15:23
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WarnaudNSA trying to distort non-compatible device (sorry joking - and no I didn't had experience this)15:24
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mpthxanYc: yes i did. not sure if its on my jolla or my girlfriends. lately dont use voice calls that much. but yes it is annoying and i hope its no tmine that is faulty15:28
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SceltanYc: I just have problems with loud speaker15:30
anYcNicd-: isn't "lying" also valid in this case? :) I'm not a native speaker15:35
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anYcmpthx Scelt: thank I guess I'll have to contact the support. My device is just a week old :/15:35
anYc"thanks."15:35
anYcalready made a reset of my n90015:36
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mcfriskrepost: where to find working Skype apk for Jolla? Aptoide one doesn't work.15:37
anYcI did not test it but the amazon shop also has skype15:39
stephgmcfrisk: play?15:39
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mcfriskplay what? google play store? I need to install that?15:40
stephgposs15:40
stephgyeah15:40
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mcfriskI'm not going to install google apps just to skype, that's silly. Unless skype apk really depends on them.15:42
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stephgI have no idea, don't use it15:45
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mcfriskstephg: well, do you have better video and voice call apps then?15:47
mcfriskand I used Skype on jolla for months, until service reflashed my device.15:47
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* mcfrisk had to dig out N9 while traveling to do a cheap skype call...15:48
coderushttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skype.raider15:48
coderushttp://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/?id=com.skype.raider15:48
coderushttp://storage.evozi.com/apk/dl/14/10/12/com.skype.raider.apk?h=s7HqrfwpbAlMnZkVyBz50A&t=141632743415:49
Sceltmcfrisk: http://www.jollatides.com/2014/10/05/update-read-this-for-version-of-skype-working-on-sailfish/15:49
coderusScelt: latest Skype from Play Store works for me15:49
coderuslatst BBM from Play Store not working on Jolla and i'll be happy if you can find working one ;)15:50
mcfriskyyh what warez popup crap15:51
mcfriskcoderus: managed to install that apk and test call worked until UI froze to death but maybe that's the best there is atm15:58
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coderusmcfrisk: popup? i see no popups. i'm using adblock.16:00
svuorelaare there a howto on migrating data from a jolla phone to a jolla phone ?16:01
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SK_worksvuorela: scp everything ?16:01
SK_work:)16:01
svuorelaSK_work: is it a random idea, or something you tested ?16:02
SK_worksvuorela: take a backup, copy it, and extract backup ?16:02
SK_worksvuorela: not tested but why won't it work16:02
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SK_workbeware, there are permissions stuff16:02
SK_worklike the privlegecd stuff16:02
pp_yea + backups won't cover android game saves etc.16:02
pp_(nor the apps themselves I think)16:02
Nicd-anYc: it is, I was only joking :)16:04
mcfriskScelt: that link from coderus is to version 5.0.0.52727 which seems to work, few crashes so far but I guess that's normal, and complaints about some myriad service or something.16:05
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mcfriskhmm, html5test.com on jolla renders really laggy when scrolling down. Is the page doing something weird with scripting to trigger constant redraws or something?16:13
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mcfriskuhm, and jolla browser fails to search for impress.js and instead wants to open www.impress.js, sigh16:15
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Tegumcfrisk: yea, happens when you try to search something with a dot in it. as a workaround, just add a space and some other word after it. or something like "impress.js ." seems to work16:26
mcfriskTegu: yep, that's what I did16:31
Tegubut usually only after the first try, though :D16:32
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mcfriskis compiling jolla browser simple? Has anyone tried enabling webrtc features which are reported missing in https://together.jolla.com/question/9514/support-webrtc-in-native-web-browser/ and which Jolla may not be able to enable due patent thread from Nokia/MS, sigh16:32
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Tegupatents... :\ at least sometimes16:34
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ryukafalzIs there anywhere I can attempt to log into my jolla account from a browser? I think I've forgotten my password, heh16:48
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svuorelahmm... account backup/restore doesn't restore jolla account password16:49
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mcfrisksvuorela: use rsync to copy /home/nemo as backup to somewhere, and restore in similar way, settings/backup isn't really a backup in the usual sysadmin sense16:50
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nbghi. I have already set 'silence sounds', but when I run the media app, the sound is audible through the speakers. Is there a way to silence the speaker when running the media app, without silencing the alarm clock?19:33
nbgI want to avoid sounds when, for example, the headphones disconnect accidentally.19:34
sledgeswhen headphones disconnect, mediaplayer pauses19:35
nbgaah, I should have tried it first. that solves it then, thank you.19:37
sledgeswelcome19:37
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* DrainBamaged waves to the sledges \o19:39
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* sledges performs a routine wave to DrainBamaged o/19:42
sledges:D19:42
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sledgesDrainBamaged: excited about tomorrow? ;P19:43
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DrainBamagedTOHKBD?19:43
sledgeswOOt?19:43
sledges;)19:43
sledgesthat too, but that's old news :)19:43
DrainBamagedwOOt?19:44
DrainBamagedIdk, telll me what happens tomorrow?19:44
sledgesDrainBamaged: Jolla will announce something for your car: https://twitter.com/YvesPE/status/53470388407868620819:44
sledgesI know how much you are into automotiveness, so it's just right!19:45
DrainBamagedlol, brilliant19:45
sledgesagreed :))19:45
sledgeshow's life anyhoo?19:45
DrainBamagedGood, got xbox one but it failed19:46
sledgeshappy for you19:46
sledges:D19:46
sledgesyou got your life back ;)19:46
DrainBamagedlol19:47
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secquit19:53
* sec facepalms19:53
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dunphttps://twitter.com/YvesPE/status/534703884078686208  crank from old T-ford like http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/100118.jpg  ??19:58
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raa700_dynamo toh20:05
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entilo_O https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp/20:16
entilthat's so weird20:17
Nicd-will probably break mitäkuuluu completely?20:17
entilmitäkuuluu is dead already20:17
entil(it's no use captain)20:17
entilbecause whatsapp's blocking 3rd party clients20:17
Nicd-I haven't been banned yet20:18
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Nicd-still using it20:18
entilbut yeah, that might or might not make things worse20:18
entilwhoah20:18
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entilanyway, coderus ceased development, so chances are you'll be blocked eventually20:18
entilthe weird thing is still that whisper's working with the competitor to make them better in the competition20:18
entilguess they need the money and pr20:19
entilalso "the textsecure encryption protocol", wonder if messages could be relayed between textsecure and whatsapp20:19
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coderusof course no :D20:21
coderuswhat a dumb speculation :D20:22
entil1) start cooperating 2) set up message relays 3) done ;P20:22
entilbut yeah, it's unlikely20:22
coderuswhatsapp just using curve + libaloxotl for text encrypt/decrypt/exchanging keys20:23
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entilthe new version?20:25
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entiltbh I lost pretty much all interest in it after the blocks, but the ceo donating to freebsd and the news about encyrption is kind of interesting after all else20:25
Teemuworgahborgah20:26
coderusentil: the new versoin what?20:26
dunpviber for jolla?20:27
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entilcoderus: "The most recent WhatsApp Android client release includes support for the TextSecure encryption protocol, and billions of encrypted messages are being exchanged daily." -- https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp/20:27
Teemuwho what donate?20:28
coderusentil: so? what is your question means?20:28
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entilcoderus: was your comment about what whatsapp's currently doing with whisper system's work20:29
entilTeemu: yeah, start a kickstarter project for funding a textsecure client for sailfish20:29
coderusentil: whatsapp added whispersystems encryption months ago :D20:29
coderusjust started enabling it weeks ago20:30
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Teemui'm not interested in whatsthat, but the freebsd part triggered me20:30
Teemuso what's that about?20:30
entilcoderus: oh, there's actually no date on the blog, but now that the link got around, I assumed it was recent news... my bad20:30
entilcoderus: is that related to the death of mitakuuluu?20:31
coderusentil: no20:31
entilcool20:31
entilteemu: the ceo doing charity big time20:31
Teemuisn't whatsapp kind of like you know irc for dumb people?20:31
Teemuentil: url20:31
entilTeemu: can't be arsed to google now, in dire need of sleep20:32
Teemu:)20:32
Teemunp20:32
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Teemuyou're still at slush?20:32
entiland whatsapp's closer to sms and mms than irc :P20:32
entildidn't attend slush20:32
Teemui'm a bit surprised really20:32
entildunno, it's funny to say a corporate event gets too corporate, but I'm kinda sure I wouldn't enjoy it as much as in year two of it :D20:33
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Teemui remember you being involved in the early years somehow20:34
Teemuoh btw i got new shiny tools today, a soldering smoke cleaner and at last i got to see the ell-i/helsinkihacklab new metcal soldering iron20:34
entilsure, had a brave new startup idea and all, tried to get the slush seven money (jonnet ei muista) and talked to a company called magnifier or something (probably defunct by now) about funding, nothing worked out20:34
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entilbut that's closer to hipsterism, cuz no one cares about the origins of slush anymore, now that you have politicians briefly attend the circle jerk for a quick wank20:35
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Teemusome time ago i got a new idea too but we decidecly made it so that there is no possibility of an exit plan so vulture capitalists are by definition uninterested20:36
Teemui bet the top kokoomus young brass was there20:36
Teemuof course only shortly because Important People do not attend, they just visit20:36
entilI think the kind of VC scene that caused the term vulture capitalist is pretty much dead by now20:36
Teemudunno20:36
Teemuanyway the thing is, our idea was too generic to risk it falling among just one startup, of which 90% fall naturally20:37
entilmaybe someone wants to invest big-ish for insane stock and replace half your board, as they did 15 years ago, but I'd imagine investors to have gained a clue that it's not a good idea to vulture up the company20:37
entilsure20:37
Teemuso we took a look in how open source software works and modeled our plan according to that20:37
Teemufollowing the foundation/corporate in finnish climate leaded to cooperative/corporate model and we're approaching the part where some commercial entities might actually start using the tech20:38
entilI spent huge parts of yesterday and today unfucking open-source abandonware, but I trust you'd not look at dead pull requests on github and plan your business by that :D20:38
entil278 forks on github, yay for the working model20:39
Stskeepsentil: that sounds like what we do every day in jolla.. :P20:39
entilStskeeps: I feel your pain bro20:39
Teemufrom what i've heard, the vultures still like to replace your board and basically outbuy the founders locking them in with golden chains "until they have transferred the undocumented THING"20:39
entilStskeeps: didn't know you touch abandonware tho ;P20:39
Stskeepsentil: well, some of the meego stuff is rather muldy at times.20:40
entilhaha, libcommhistory flashbacks from the bar :D yeah... stuff like that happens and it sucks it does20:40
entilI'd kinda make the claim some of those repos are different from, say, dead django apps in the sense that there probably aren't hundreds of forks of meego components20:41
Teemui remember trying n770 my father had as he was inside nokia at the time20:41
entilTeemu: cool seeing you here, even undercover with that nick ;)20:41
Teemu:)20:41
entilI need to sleep, big time20:41
entilgnight ->20:42
Teemuwe need to get a beer sometime20:42
Teemunight20:42
entilyes :) and yeah ->20:42
Stskeepsthey didn't want to sell me a beer in the shop after i came back from work after 9pm.20:42
Stskeepswhat is this country's problem?20:42
Stskeeps:P20:42
Ezko_päivi räsänen20:42
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Teemui remember telling my father that the device needs a keybored and it NEEDS to have a real datamodem as wifi was not a very viable option at the time20:42
* Stskeeps ponders idly who Teemu's father is20:43
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Teemuhe wasn't part of any maemo team but somehow got his hands into several interesting to-be-possible-models20:43
Stskeepsah20:44
Teemui'm not sure if he was situated somewhere in japan or possibly beijing at the time20:44
Teemumost likely japan20:44
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Accethere was that nokia luxus unit in Tokyo at a time21:16
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xkr47I wonder if the device at the top of the jolla.com has something to do with "something BIG"21:51
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M4rtinKkitchen table ? :)21:55
Stskeepshttp://www.engadget.com/2011/11/21/exopcs-40-inch-multitouch-exodesk-is-coming-in-2012-for-1-299/ <- want21:55
Stskeeps:P21:55
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xkr47M4rtinK kitchen tableT :D21:58
Teemuwill it blend?21:58
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ahjolinnaIt has been confirmed Nokia N1 has a unlocked bootloader!  http://mynokiablog.com/2014/11/18/nokia-n1-to-get-unlocked-bootloader-for-stock-android-5-0-lollipop-and-more/22:01
ortylpsomething big would be SailfishOS for Galaxy Note Pro...22:02
Stskeepsahjolinna: i believe that when i see it.22:02
M4rtinKnote that it has our old friend PowerVR as GPU22:04
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M4rtinKso good luck with drivers :P22:05
Stskeepspowervr is not really that terribly different than all the other gpu crap around atm :P22:05
Stskeepsi know for a fact libhybris works with it22:05
ortylpN1 looks nice, but there are NO HW specs anywhere to find on then Nokia site...22:07
Stskeepswasn't there quite a few?22:07
Sceltless than 11 hours guys!22:07
ortylpI just want SailfishOS on my Note Pro...22:07
Stskeepsortylp: N1 specs: http://pastie.org/972879322:07
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SceltStskeeps: are you keen to know what jolla will announce?!22:08
Sceltoh, wait...22:08
Scelt:P22:08
StskeepsScelt: i -so- look forward to a day of booth duty!22:08
M4rtinKStskeeps: well, yeah - but still there is was the Paulsbo disaster, adding some additional hurt to the overall mess :)22:08
M4rtinKStskeeps: also the many other mobile GPUs have at least _some_ open driver effort going (Mali/Lima, adreno/Freedreno, Vivante, Tegra/Noveau)22:10
ortylpOK, these specs look nice, including screen resolution, the only drawback it is 8" instead of 13"22:10
ortylpand RAM with 2GB... is a bit low...22:10
M4rtinKStskeeps: while I don't know about anything going on for PowerVR at all in this regard22:10
ortylpwhat was the trick to convince connman, that the WIFI connection has working access to thhe Internet?22:13
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ortylpI am using WiFi in a hotel, no registration, no password needed, Android works, almost all apps work, SailfishOS apps mostly don't22:15
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xkr47ahjolinna.. "confirmed" vs "plan on shipping"22:17
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_inte_hello22:19
_inte_good evening22:19
_inte_there was an announcement for an encrypted messenger which was supposed to be released on jolla first22:20
xkr47hello!22:20
_inte_unfortunately, i forgot the name and i cant find it through google22:20
_inte_does anyone remember?22:20
M4rtinKTox ?22:21
_inte_nopd22:21
_inte_nope22:21
_inte_i knos tox22:21
_inte_it was somewhat similar22:21
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_inte_i guess it was even developed by someone related to jolla22:22
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_inte_ah, finally22:27
_inte_ricochet22:27
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_inte_there is obviously no progress with the jolla version22:29
_inte_https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/releases22:29
_inte_however, now I know where I will have to look for it22:30
ortylpStskeeps: daj znać jeżeli jesteś w piątek wieczorem w okolicach Wa-wy i masz ochotę na piwo lub inne napoje ;)22:31
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arThe website is down?22:35
aroh, it "just" takes an ungodly ammount of time to respond22:35
aroh, not anymore22:35
M4rtinK_inte_: oh, right, now I remember!22:37
M4rtinK_inte_: I must have mixed it up with Tox for some reason22:37
_inte_yeah I guess its somewhat similar anyways22:38
_inte_at least both may use TOR22:38
_inte_ar?22:39
_inte_talking to me?22:39
ar_inte_: hm?22:39
_inte_well probably not then :)22:40
ari just had the website respond in ungodly slow matter: http://dpaste.com/2J3026F22:40
arbut it works now22:40
_inte_oh yes22:41
_inte_working normal forme22:41
_inte_but there is a timer on it22:41
_inte_when did that get there?22:41
_inte_looks like i need to get back there tomorrow :)22:42
_inte_jolla2 in the makings?22:42
_inte_did anyone manage to figure out the new product page already? :)22:48
_inte_Given it is online22:49
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_inte_ok22:54
_inte_no one likes to guess?22:54
_inte_then I have a nice guess...22:54
lpotterchocolate22:54
_inte_What is that page for?22:54
_inte_http://jolla.com/toh/22:54
_inte_It is somehow there but doesnt show any conclusive content22:55
_inte_so tomorrow we will learn about a jolla...22:55
_inte_streaming app?22:55
_inte_streaming service?22:56
_inte_speaker toh?22:56
_inte_...22:56
lpotterchocolate bar22:56
lpotterwith extra caffeine22:56
TemeV_inte_: read it all in here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9415722:56
sledgeslpotter: _inte_: certainly! https://twitter.com/YvesPE/status/53397037102884454522:58
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lpotterthats my fav. I hope its that22:59
_inte_chocolate??22:59
sledgesyes22:59
_inte_I didnt read every comment at tmo but did anyone else figure out jolla.com/toh/ before?23:00
lpotterwhat I really need is a Jolla Electric SmartCar23:00
lpotterstation wagon23:00
sledgesthat crank will be part of its IVI for sure23:01
sledgesto confuse _inte_even more: https://twitter.com/YvesPE/status/53470388407868620823:01
lpotterha! I didnt see that one23:02
lpotterthats for the crank-up battery charger TOH23:03
_inte_hehe:)23:03
_inte_maybe they will come up with a Jolla series of the new Nokia tablet :-P23:03
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_inte_ok the image shown at toh is uploaded on 2014/523:06
_inte_https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/toh.png23:06
_inte_it barely has anything to do with the new jolla device (or software)23:06
_inte_maybe its a handy reader which can easily store the entire wikipedia23:07
_inte_they could call it wikireader23:07
_inte_that would be something really cool23:07
raa700_jolla qipad and qitoh with full nfc functionality23:07
_inte_yeah23:08
TemeVooh, my telegram app is logging in, fetching contacts and messages correctly \o/23:08
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TemeVI should go to bed already, but this is too interesting :)23:10
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sledges_inte_: you just threw me back a good few years! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=openmoko%20wikireader&source=lnms&tbm=isch23:18
_inte_:)23:18
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M4rtinKsledges: I wonder where the OpenMoko people are now :)23:27
M4rtinKthe only ones I know about that were related to it are Joerg & Goldelico23:28
* sledges opens up openmoko wiki history to refresh mem :)23:29
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M4rtinKI still have a Neo FreeRunner safely in a drawer :)23:29
sledgesi have 223:29
sledges:))23:29
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* lpotter wont say how many old phones he has23:37
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sledgesenough to boil an egg?23:38
* lpotter has phones running os's they weren't supposed to23:38
sledges..what brought us all together23:38
lpotter:)23:39
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stephggood evening everyone23:58
* stephg is happy, has cheese23:58

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