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coderusoh sure, forgot to ask, how much SIM costs just for Finland, and how much SIM costs with ability to call Russia03:25
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pahartikcoderus: Pre-paid mobile network service is between 5 EUR and 20 EUR03:47
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pahartikcoderus: Stored value probably has to be above 20 EUR to have international access03:50
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pp_3G and skype :-)05:03
pp_(or whatnot)05:03
pp_if you're not in the middle of nowhere prepaid data might even work for that05:04
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coderuspp_: hm yeah06:29
coderusall Finland covered with 3G/LTE?06:29
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locusfdepends on the operator06:30
TMavicacoderus: i need a unlimited data dim too06:31
TMavicasim06:31
TMavicado u know how much?06:31
Ezkoi have one06:31
coderusTMavica: i just started asking about it :)06:31
TMavicaLOL06:31
coderuslocusf: any06:31
Ezkounlimited bandwith and data 3g06:32
coderuslocusf: i just need sim for two weeks in finland :)06:32
TMavicame 206:32
coderuswant full finland coverage06:32
inzcoderus, no, all of finland is not covered (no matter which oper)06:32
Ezkonot LTE06:32
Ezko3g probably yes06:32
coderusto be able to go online from any part of finland (*except topmost north area)06:32
TMavicai just use to whatsapp, 3G is ok06:32
Ezkosaunalahti prepaid is probably the easiest to find06:33
coderus3G is ok too06:33
coderusjust for maps06:33
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suosaaski3G is probably not covered in all of finland, either. All operators have some spots that just don't have coverage06:34
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TMavicawhich operator you prefer to?06:34
Teemumap app for jolla with prefetchable maps would be good06:34
suosaaskiIt highly depends on where you are (which operator has the best coverage)06:35
Ezkoelisa at least advertises as having the best coverage but i'm not sure about that06:35
Ezkosaunalahti uses elisa network06:35
TMavicaHEL, Rov06:35
suosaaskiEveryone advertises that :)06:35
Ezkotrue06:35
Teemuelisa doesn't work here at my home06:36
Teemui tried to tell them that yes i can see the mast from my roof over the trees, 1600m west of me, it _should_ damn work06:36
suosaaskiThese are just estimates, but for DNA: https://www.dna.fi/kuuluvuus-ja-peittoalueet - click on "DNA:n matkapuhelinverkon peittoalueet - Avaa kartta"06:36
Teemuthey took in a fault ticket that resolved as "we took a look and everything is okay"06:37
suosaaskiFor Elisa/Saunalahti: http://elisa.fi/kuuluvuus/06:37
suosaaskiFor Sonera: http://www.sonera.fi/etsi+apua+ja+tukea/verkkokartat/peittoaluekartta/06:37
Teemuin here sonera works ok06:37
Teemui already had plans to buy some directional antennas but changing the operator was enough06:38
Teemualso a lot easier06:38
Ezkoi've never had any problems with elisa network,06:38
Ezkoi don't leave further than about 50km from helsinki very often though06:39
Ezkobut i sure have irced all the way from turku to helsinki!06:39
Ezkoand tervakoski to vantaa06:39
inzI remember trying to IRC from Tampere to Helsinki on Nokia 9000 over data call06:40
Ezkoand porvoo to helsinki06:40
inzIt always dropped in Toijala06:40
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TeemuEzko: elisa and dna have coverage lossess in kattilajärvi, nuuksio and jokikunta, vihti as well as bengtsårin leirisaari, hanko06:41
Teemuthey just act like it is completely okay that their mast has no coverage in sight view and the competitor from further away works normally06:42
Ezkohmm06:46
Ezkook06:46
Ezkowhen i take a train to helsinki my desire z at least used to drop connection between koivukylä and hiekkaharju and again between hiekkaharju and tikkurila06:46
Teemubtw anybody with usb serial port adapter to lend for today in otaniemi?06:47
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Tofedid someone here ever try to have mms with the french sfr operator?07:02
pp_in .fi it really depends on where you are staying (in addition to price), for urban areas in the south (and here in Oulu) DNA is a winner in speed07:05
pp_in say rovaniemi it's not that good :-)07:05
pp_(of course works but 2G is what you may get)07:06
Ezkowell if he wants the best coverage available there should be only 1 answer07:07
Ezkoand the only requirement is that 3g works07:07
Teemufor navigational purposes a prefetching map app is hard to beat07:07
Teemuannoying to drive when you know where you are but are lacking the map around it07:07
pp_if you know where you'll be going https://www.netradar.org/fi07:08
coderusOk i will download maps before07:08
coderuswhat you suggest, OSM?07:08
Teemunot the faintest idea07:08
pp_nokia here maps for android!07:08
Teemuif anyone has suggestions, please hilight me so i'll get to read them07:09
pp_(works like a champ on jolla)07:09
Teemuoh okay07:09
Ezkoi think i've used a navigator once when not at work07:09
coderuswell, from netradar i see there are no "no coverage" area07:09
coderusand in any irea i can reach at least 2g?07:09
coderusarea*07:09
TeemuEzko: coderus plans to have a finland roundtrip drive in välipäivät07:09
pp_(ok, gps fix sometimes takes some time)07:09
Ezkooh07:09
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Teemucoderus: there are places where data does not flow, hence i recommend full map prefetch :)07:10
coderusso, here maps is better in fi than osm?07:11
coderusgoogle maps?07:11
Teemudunno about osm07:11
suosaaskihere maps is ok07:11
Teemugoogle maps to my knowledge doesn't prefetch07:11
pp_osm is ok, but they've spend billions on here maps so it must be good :P07:11
Tofehere maps never deceived me in fi07:11
pp_(get both, they're free)07:11
coderusah dumb me07:12
coderusits finland07:12
coderusdinland = nokia07:12
coderusnikia = here maps07:12
coderusnokia*07:12
Teemuis here maps ovi maps ie vanteq?07:12
Teemujkh07:12
Tofefinland, finland, finland07:12
coderusso here maps is best in fi :D07:12
Teemunavteq07:12
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coderusyeah :D07:13
suosaaskiAnyone running here maps on their jolla?07:13
coderussuosaaski: everybody?07:13
Teemusuosaaski: pp_ indicated something like that07:13
Ezkoi have one that says "kartat"07:14
Ezkoi don't use it though :P07:14
pp_I've used it to get around to new places a few times07:14
TeemuEzko: on your yola? (i like how marc pronounces jolla)07:15
Ezkoyeah07:17
Teemuwhere did you get the kartat one? :)07:18
Ezkofrom jolla store07:18
Teemuand is here maps what used to be ovi maps?07:18
Ezkoapparently07:18
Teemuthat sucked on s60 and was uhh not so good on n900?07:18
Ezkobah whatever, i have the "stock" jolla maps thing :P07:19
Ezkoi don't really need it so i don't care :P07:19
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Stskeepsgood morning07:32
Jopemoi07:32
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nanderDid mitakuuluu get caught again?07:54
nanderThe client says authentication failed07:54
Nicd-nander: mitäkuuluu clients are continually getting banned07:55
Nicd-if you use mitäkuuluu, you will probably be banned at some point07:55
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stephgningles!08:21
entilnander: for me it said "blocked" but they could have downright removed you. did you try registering again? esp. with the android client?08:22
coderusNicd-: try http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1448802&postcount=178208:23
coderusnander: ^08:23
coderusignore mitakuuluu conf info, its wrong08:23
coderusjust get password with android and set it with dconf08:23
Nicd-coderus: I'm not banned (yet)08:24
Nicd-and my mitäkuuluu is working fine currently08:24
Nicd-should I still do that?08:24
coderusNicd-: yep it just wrong Tab mentioning08:24
coderusi mean nander08:24
nanderI wanted to be sure before I tried anything08:24
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Teemuwhat's the thing with whatsapp? what is it? why should i care? except their founder gave my favourite software a million09:02
phdeswerTeemu: some "I will read what you send and keep data on you" replacement for sms09:03
tadzikthere are apparently countries in the world that have data plans cheaper than text messages09:04
tadziklike, most of them09:04
tadzikwhich to me sounds absurd :)09:04
tadzikbut most people I know that use whatsapp use it because it's "free sms"09:05
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Iltsubut they are implementing end-to-end encryption to whatsapp09:05
Warnaud:|09:06
* tbr suspects hangouts is going to eat that cake soon, they already have contact integration that makes it easy to by default send messages over hangouts instead of text09:06
IltsuI think it is already on Android version09:06
Ezkotadzik: i have unlimited data09:07
phdeswertadzik: actually that is changing. Read something a few days ago sms is making a comeback (in .nl at least) due to operators offering packages with virtually unlimited smses these days (I would not know how to use up 350 sms-es a day, not even in a month)09:08
tadzikEzko: I usually buy a 25 MB data plan, except for the months when I don't buy any :)09:08
Teemutyping on mobile devices suck09:08
tadzikphdeswer: I get 1000 free smses for every ~7€ charge on my prepaid, and after that they cost something like 1 euro cent09:08
pdanekTeemu: tohkbd!09:08
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Teemui'd go for some instant massager that allows me to continue where i left off with whichever device i started with09:08
Teemuhangouts does that09:08
tadzikphdeswer: so there is absolutely no reason to use anything else09:09
Teemudunno about whatsthatthingagain09:09
Ezkotadzik: i think april or march i used 25 gb of mobile data09:09
phdeswertabasko: Indeed :)09:09
SK_workphdeswer: in fr it is the same: unlimited SMS is the norm, so most people use them09:09
SK_workbut if you want to talk to friend in other countries09:09
tadzikEzko: heh, with a Jolla I'm not surprised :D09:09
tadzikthis beast eats data like crazy09:09
Teemusms is bad for me since when i'm on my computer i'd actually rather use the damn keybored09:09
Ezkotadzik: that was before i had jolla09:09
tadzikha, I see09:09
tadzikdifferent usage, I guess09:09
pdanekI use Jolla for tethering every day, so several gigabytes per month is normal.09:09
Teemupdanek: yes it helps but when i'm sitting at a computer, i've got a better keybored in front of me and i'd still rather use that09:09
Ezkomost probably on my tablet09:10
Ezkowatching youtube and netflix09:10
tadzikright09:10
pdanekTeemu: Agree.09:10
Ezkoand i paid the same as i paid this month, 15e09:10
tadzikI only read email and navigate to places sometimes09:10
Ezkoor 14, not really sure09:10
pdanekTeemu: that's why I take my ThinkPad everywhere, instead of tablet :D09:10
tadzikheh, ThinkPads are the new iPhones :P09:11
pdanekTeemu: 30 min in a public transport? time to take out my thinkpad09:11
tadzikor the old iPhones09:11
Teemuanyhoo i'd like to be able to continue the conversations on any device that's mine09:11
pdanekwhat do you mean?09:11
tadzikpdanek: you don't say "my laptop", you say "my ThinkPad"09:11
Teemulaptop, desktop, phone, whatever09:11
Ezkoi use whatsapp because my friends and family use it09:11
TeemuEzko: that's a perfectly valid reason09:11
pdanek:D09:11
Teemusimilar to why it was beneficial in the late 1990s to use messenger as girls tended to use that instead of irc09:12
Ezkoit's a long shot trying to get everyone to use the same service09:12
tadzikit's like with arch linux09:12
Ezkoi'd just use irc with everyone but not everyone uses it09:12
Teemuso you could choose either trying to convince a girl to learn some annoying hard stuff just to chat with you (not likely) or just start chatting with her09:12
Warnaudyeah lazyness ++09:13
tadzikor opt for those who do use irc09:13
tadzikthey're a nice bunch, I tell ye09:13
tuomasjj1asanen+109:13
Ezkoyeah, tell people that i'm not gonna be in contact with them anymore unless they start using irc09:14
Ezkosounds good man09:14
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tadzikthat's what they say :D09:14
pdanekif you want to make new contacts, it's not gonna work09:14
tadzikworks for them, eh?09:14
coderuscan you please check how much costs send Jolla from finland to russia via DHL?09:23
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MSameerTemeV: some places still sell tap water in helsinki09:25
MSameerat least a restaurant charged me and my wife 40 cents per person09:25
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kimmolicoderus: 137€ + taxes09:26
kimmoliif shipped today, delivered by 1st Dec09:27
kimmoliinsurance +10€09:28
pdanekwhat?09:31
pdanek137 eur for shipping?09:31
pdanekno way09:31
pp_dhl is not very finnish :-)09:32
Armadilloare you shipping an elephant? :D09:32
coderusO_-09:32
meklu:o09:32
mekluI bet you could bribe some trucker to deliver that for the price of a bottle of vodka09:32
meklu:)09:32
pp_apparently how it often works is that people ship stuff to lappeenranta and then some random dude picks it up and takes if over the border :-)09:34
pp_(returned an amazon.de order that way, got my money back :-) )09:34
kimmolicoderus: why to ship it there?09:34
fluxI must be missing something. maybe coderus wants one?-)09:37
flux(well, another)09:37
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Armadilloshipping with the finnish post (I assume there also is something liek that in Finland :D) or Fedex should be much cheaper09:38
fluxmaybe they are not as trustworthy in russia09:38
fluxbut, clearly 140 EUR for s/h is insane.09:38
Armadilloyes09:39
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kimmolifinnish post doesnt ship batteries09:41
kimmolior equioments with batteries09:41
Nicd-unless you don't tell them what's in it09:41
kimmolibut afaik that is only for flight. roadtransports are ok.09:42
Acceshipping from finland costs >> shipping to finland costs09:43
mekluI ordered from the Jolla store and it went through the mail here09:43
meklu*shrug*09:43
kimmolisending single toh without tracking is not so bad. europe 1,50€09:44
kimmoliinside finland 1€09:44
inzthat's quite reasonable09:44
HtheBkimmoli09:45
kimmoliwith tracking, about 8€09:45
kimmolior more09:45
kimmoliHtheB09:45
HtheBmeow :309:46
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kimmoliuhm, ok. i go for lunch now. bbl09:48
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ln-Nicd-: they will x-ray shipments meant for flight.09:49
coderusno PayPal for shop.jolla.ru ?..09:50
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HtheBcoderus: why did they actually need a whole top level domain in the first place anyway?09:54
tbrthey bought .jolla?09:55
coderusHtheB: because russian customers private data should be stored at servers placed in russia :D09:55
HtheB:D09:55
Nicd-HtheB: jolla.ru is not a top level domain09:55
HtheB.ru <09:56
Nicd-I don't think they own .ru :P09:56
HtheBNicd-: you understand what I mean :p09:56
Nicd-but having your own domain for a bunch of ccTLDs is standard practice, even if just for preventing someone else from getting it and putting in confusing/scammy content09:57
tbrthat's not an excuse for being grossly wrong09:57
HtheBtrue09:57
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HtheBbut where are the other TLD's? like Jolla.nl Jolla.be Jolla.de Jolla.fr09:57
HtheBJolla.it :D09:58
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HtheBthey are all parked09:58
TMavica_Jollacoderus: still planning..?09:58
coderusTMavica_Jolla: ?09:58
Nicd-also one reason I can think of is that in some places a .com is accepted and trusted but some places want a country domain09:58
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TMavica_Jollacoderus: sell you VIP Jolla09:59
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coderusTMavica_Jolla: ??10:00
TMavica_Jollau need 1 more Jolla?10:00
coderusTMavica_Jolla: for my gf10:01
TMavica_Jollai got a extra vip Jolla, i can bring to finland and sell u10:01
Armadilloat least jolla.de is not available :P10:01
HtheBArmadillo: all country tld's are gone10:03
Armadilloall?10:03
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Nicd-nope, jolla.ax is available10:03
Armadillothere are very much ;D10:03
coderusTMavica_Jolla: i need it now :D10:04
HtheBArmadillo: yes10:04
TMavica_Jollacant help u then, lol10:05
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coderusTMavica_Jolla: what the price of your vip pack?10:05
tbranyone up for a short url service and buying jolla.to? ;)10:05
TMavica_Jolla2888 HKD10:05
coderusin euro?10:05
TMavica_Jollashould be 280 euro10:05
coderushm10:05
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Armadillotbr 60€ ^^10:06
Armadillo.to is expensive10:06
tbrArmadillo: "expensive"10:06
Armadillowell in a relitave manner, sure ;)10:06
tbrwasn't there something like .rich? ;)10:06
stephgdidn't find to that expensive last time I had to register a .to domain10:06
Kiranosany news on the new phone ( :O ) firmware? its been ages10:06
stephgwas like a hundred bucks a year10:06
Armadillotbr yes10:06
stephg(and this was a 3 letter domain)10:06
Armadillojolla.rocks :D10:07
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HtheBjolla.rocks :P10:08
HtheBjolla.xxx :p10:08
lainwir3djolla.whiskyonrocks10:08
Armadillothere are so many bullshit top level domains available since the last year...10:08
HtheBjolla.gent10:08
HtheBsince today available :P10:08
tadzikhttp://bad.solutions10:08
lainwir3dhahaha10:08
Armadillohahaha10:08
HtheBoracle :D10:08
Armadillothis fits them very well :D10:09
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HtheBwhy the hell do they buy such a link!?10:09
HtheBdomain *10:09
lainwir3dI don't think oracle bought it :P10:10
ln-not them, someone else10:10
Armadillobecause it's funny10:10
lainwir3dsomeone else probably did10:10
Armadillo^^10:10
lainwir3dhehe10:10
kapinterHi! How to prevent screen dim in an application without using dbus? (harbour doesn't accept dbus usage)10:10
meklufork + exec with dbus-send? ;)10:10
kimmoliaccepts, code it in c, or embed it in your package10:11
kapinterits a bit wtf, so if I code it in c++ its fine, but in qml not?!10:11
HtheBbrb!10:11
SK_workkapinter: harbour don't accept dbus usage ?10:12
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kapinterSK_work: https://harbour.jolla.com/faq -> QML API10:15
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coderuskapinter: harbour won't allow app using screen dim prevent afaik. no difference how you implement it.10:17
coderusjust afaik, can be wrong10:18
SK_workHartzi: use the C++ API10:18
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kapintercoderus: so you can't implement a video player? or any app which doesn't require touching the screen every 15sec?10:19
HartziSK_work: w000t?10:20
SK_workHartzi: ?10:20
Hartzi<12:18:36> < SK_work> Hartzi: use the C++ API10:20
Hartzi:P10:20
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locusfkapinter: https://github.com/tworaz/sailfish-ytplayer/blob/master/src/NativeUtil.cpp#L18310:22
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Nicd-hmm, but ytplayer is in store10:23
locusfyup10:24
kimmoliafaik  you can do that if you have good reasons.10:24
kimmoliwatching a video is one10:24
kapinterlocusf: thanks! :-)10:24
kimmolipropably simple-memo with screen-blank-prevention gets rejected10:24
coderusyeah, seems "good reason" is a good reason for allowing it :)10:24
kimmoli:)10:25
kapinteris there a way to detect an incoming phone call so I can pause the application?10:25
kimmolilisten dbus...10:25
coderuskapinter: check dbus-monitor10:26
kimmolii use "com.nokia.mce.signal", "sig_call_state_ind"10:26
kapinterkimmoli: thanks, I will check it. :-)10:28
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kimmolibut if you need pause whenever your app goes to out-of-focus, check ApplicationWindow/onApplicationActiveChanged10:29
kapinterkimmoli: that's probably better, I guess it goes out of focus during an incoming phone call, doesn't it?10:31
kimmoliafaik10:32
kimmolibut then ir doesnt work on cover..10:32
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kapinterir?10:33
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meklus/ir/it/ probably10:33
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kimmoliregexp is valid10:34
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kapinterkimmoli: true, true, it should work there too...10:37
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kimmoliso then pause from dbus incoming call, that also indicates when call is terminated, so you can continue10:40
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coderusjust use onApplicationActiveChanged10:43
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anYcDoes anyone have experience with a warranty return of the jolla and could tell me how long it took to repair the device? If it takes 5 days again just for shipping, I guess I can feel lucky if I get it back in two weeks :/10:46
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anYcand fedex just locked my new account because I don't have a customer number yet - suprise!10:47
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HtheBanYc: I shipped my phone to Jolla 2 times, and it took me like 3-4 days when the device came back..10:47
HtheBrepaired10:47
Armadilloit took 4 days from Germany to send, replace, send back10:48
Armadillowhich is quite fast10:48
anYcArmadillo: oh, that sounds great. the initial shipping took 5 days in my case to Karlsruhe10:48
chem|stanYc: fedex lost my device on the way back, and magically it returned to me weeks later10:48
anYcthat sounds not great :)10:49
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chem|stanYc: another one's device took a HK detour10:49
Armadillowell that can happen with every package10:49
chem|stArmadillo: I have never heard that many stories about shipping fails than with jolla+fedex, and I worked for a shipping company10:49
Armadillo:D10:50
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ArmadilloI know some german budget shipping companies where I also had many problems10:50
Armadilloalthough not all of them related to missed packages10:50
tbr"hermes"?10:51
Armadillohaha yes :D10:51
chem|stwell, dhl delivered a package to me, to a wrong address, actually it was dropped off at the local dhl holding...10:51
HtheBWhy do I keep thinking of to this when I hear Armadillo?10:52
HtheBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCowrXGwdjs10:52
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HtheB(Holiday Armadillo)10:52
Armadillolol :)10:52
anYcwhen I lived in a student hostel, some just left the packages in the entrance of the house...10:52
HtheBwtf lol10:53
ArmadilloHermes left one package on our garbage cans completely open near the street10:53
Armadilloadditionally it was a rainy day...10:53
HtheBI had once that the guy just throwed in my backyard10:53
HtheBthe package10:54
anYclol, not bad either10:54
Armadilloand a UPS guy dropped the new laptop of my girl friend to the street oin front of us :D10:55
Armadilloluckily only the packaging was broken10:55
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leinirmy printer was put down so hard it knocked the feeder tray out of the socket... royal mail my backside :P11:04
leinir...actually no, don't royal mail my backside, i don't like getting spanked :P11:05
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HtheBStskeeps hi11:24
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* SpeedEvil imagines leinirs 'letterbox' and shudders.12:24
leinirSpeedEvil: that was through my front door... rather than hand the parcel over to me, he just thumped it down on the floor12:25
leinirat least i could force it back in, but yeah, really not happy with that... never use royal mail if you have anything that can break :P12:25
leinirpretty sure the water bath that came at the same time only survived because it was wrapped in loads of styrofoam, that one got the same treatment12:26
* tbr notes to use extra packaging if he ever sends something to the UK12:27
leinirgood call12:28
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pp_they're known as "parcelfarce" :-)12:28
leinirpp_: different company12:29
pp_ah12:29
leinirthis was royal fail ;)12:29
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* Nav knows an ISP that once had a server called parcelfarce12:36
NavIt was the second to be delivered. The firs one was returned as it arrived with a fork truck sized hole right through it.12:36
pp_still parcelfarce.linux.org.uk?-)12:36
pp_(probably replaced by now)12:36
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NavI suspect its LONG gone now12:37
mekluthat name still resolves, pp_12:37
NavIt won't be the original hardware12:37
NavIt may not even still be in the same DC (given its changed hands a number of times since those days)12:38
mekluthe rdns is zeniv.linux.org.uk though12:38
pp_I used to have an account there :-)12:38
NavNice to see that the name lives on though!12:38
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arturo182except yeah, I just remembered, I ahve to reconfigure the kernel config12:58
arturo182but it all built, so yay12:59
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SK_workPSA: Sailfish OS collaboration meeting in 10 min on #mer-meeting14:49
coderusHow long 250 euro price will be valid?14:49
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VDVsxtonight or tomorrow night, think I saw it somewhere14:58
coderusah yes15:00
coderussmall text15:00
coderusi see t now :D15:00
SK_workcoderus: thansk for the tweet15:01
SK_work(reminder tweet for 250€)15:02
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coderusyeah15:03
coderusthanks for retweet15:03
coderus(reminder retweet for €250)15:03
SK_workyep15:04
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coderusThe most wanted feature in Jolla Tablet i need one-click-pairing with Jolla Phone to use cellular network from phone :D15:30
Warnaud*one-touch-pairing15:32
Warnaudmight be possible with NFC?15:32
ggabrielbark+pairing15:32
Warnaud:D15:32
fluxsimply make it so that the tablet is a TOH of Jolla15:33
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coderusWarnaud: no nfc for pairing in phone15:34
coderusi expect some account-side sync over internet15:35
javispedrobluetooooooooooooooooooooth15:36
fluxif it happens, I hope it will be secure-by-design, instead of needing to rely on Jolla servers for the security :-o15:36
coderusso just Pairing - My devices - Jolla phone - Add to favorites, then Pairing - Jolla Phone and it will start sharing on Phone and connect Tablet to it :)15:36
coderusjavispedro: nobody have bluetooth turned on and available for pairing :D15:36
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fluxdoing bluetooth pairing over the internet would be a nice feature indeed ;-)15:36
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javispedromeh, it is so nice15:43
javispedroproximity detection, etc.15:43
javispedroand pairing over the internet is not new (apple does it)15:44
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fluxnot new? then obviously not worth doing :(15:47
javispedroone of the benefits of opensource is that you can be the first one to do it OPENLY!15:48
javispedro(possibly one of the main driving forces of OSS :) )15:48
coderusjavispedro: yep ios and wp already doing it, and it's a nice feature :D15:55
coderusok, Sailors, please tell me is device bought in europe can be send to warranty repair in russia?15:56
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anYchmpf, "Estimated delivery: Fri 11/28/2014 by 6:00 pm". looks like I have to get comfortable on my n900 again :/16:59
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ilpianistaany idea on who to contact to change the shipping address for the Other Half Aloe cover promised with the coupon code?17:13
Stskeepscare probably17:14
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cybetteilpianista: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new17:36
ilpianistacybette: thanks17:36
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* Stskeeps looks at http://kellblog.com/2014/11/18/it-aint-easy-making-money-in-open-source-thoughts-on-the-hortonworks-s-1/18:23
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coderusairbnb is better place to find room for a rent in finland?18:41
raa700_well, it's probably the most known18:42
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coderusthere is fee for airbnb services18:45
coderuscan you tell me some other places?18:46
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coderusalso can you please look at: https://www.airbnb.ru/rooms/1965929?checkin=29.12.2014&checkout=04.01.2015&guests=218:48
coderusis it good to live here?18:48
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raa700_that doesnt seem too bad, bus route to centrum is near18:57
coderusbtw, how much bus costs?18:58
raa700_https://www.hsl.fi/en18:59
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japa-fiMost likely you would take local bus to train station and from there to downtown.19:01
coderushttps://www.hsl.fi/en/tickets-and-fares nice19:02
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japa-ficoderus my questimate on possible time tables (I estimated the start point from the map) to down town helsinki19:04
japa-fihttp://www.reittiopas.fi/ru/index.php?showsearchformsaved=hide&from_in=Siltakyl%C3%A4nkuja+4%2C+Helsinki&from=address*Siltakyl%C3%A4nkuja+4%2C+Helsinki*2554765.46*6684610.08&via_in=&via=&via_time=0&to_in=Lasipalatsi%2C+Helsinki&to=stop*Lasipalatsi%2C+Helsinki*2552253*6673561&toSelect=stop*Lasipalatsi%2C+Helsinki*2552253*6673561&hour=08&minute=01&timetype=departure&date_cb=tomorrow&day=26&month=11&year=2014&cmargin=3&wspeed=70&me19:04
japa-fithod=1&stz=0&mc1=0&mc2=0&mc3=0&mc4=0&mc5=0&mc6=0&mc0=1&nroutes=3&gotoHash=#19:04
japa-fidarn, need tinyurl19:04
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japa-fihttp://tinyurl.com/kdb2wpv19:04
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japa-fijust put on the times (and weekday/dates) you think you'd be there to see how easy it would be to get aroung19:06
raa700_bus 70V goes directly to same railwaystation you end up if you change to train =)19:08
raa700_and I think it's faster19:08
japa-fijourney planner finds the fastest routes19:09
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japa-fiI tried some google street view from the area but could not find the house...19:10
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raa700_oh yeah, bus takes 31mins, changing to train you save ~minute19:14
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swift110_hmm19:15
coderusjapa-fi: http://goo.gl/lbLafi19:16
coderusso it's okay to go to center 40 minutes?19:16
swift110_so anybody have any apps for sailfish19:17
raa700_store and warehouse doesnt have any?19:18
japa-ficoderus: Oh, you found it! I almost googled by (remember the moped in the pics)19:18
swift110_i dont know how to go about looking at them19:19
japa-fi40 minutes.. IMO not that bad.19:19
swift110_I downloaded the sdk hoping to locate something inside that i can run in virtualbox19:19
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ln-is the author of Sail Raid here?19:21
coderusjapa-fi: also bus and train working at night?19:22
coderusand 31Dec - 01Jan19:22
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japa-ficoderus, yes, DOn't recall how late but would say yes19:27
coderushow about espoo?19:28
japa-fisame applies19:28
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japa-fiLast new years, trains went trough the night19:29
japa-fiat least once an hour up to 5 am19:29
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japa-fi(5 am at 1.1.)19:29
coderusnice :)19:30
coderusah19:30
japa-fialso extra buses.19:30
coderusabout cards for bus/train19:30
japa-fibasically friday timetables + some extra19:30
japa-fiSame ticket is valid for bot19:30
japa-fiboth19:30
coderusi can buy 7day card and travel with no retrictions?19:31
coderusrestrictions*19:32
raa700_as long as it says hsl/hkl on the side of transportation device19:33
swift110_thanks for the help guys19:33
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coderusraa700_: so only inside helsinki?19:34
coderussame card not valid in tampere?19:34
ShinryuuI believe it's Helsinki only19:34
raa700_yeah helsinki only19:35
coderusokay19:35
raa700_http://joukkoliikenne.tampere.fi/en/19:35
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coderusthanks :)19:38
coderusuff19:38
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coderusit's enough for today, will ask more questions tomorrow :D19:39
dr_gogeta86_jollsarcasm?19:39
dr_gogeta86_joll:)19:39
coderusdr_gogeta86_joll: :D19:40
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dr_gogeta86_jollyou ever did backport from sailfish to harmattan19:40
coderussarcasm backport?? :D19:41
dr_gogeta86_jollsome guys asks for sailgrande on n919:41
dr_gogeta86_jollnot this time19:41
dr_gogeta86_jollfor real19:41
coderuswhat is sailgrande?19:42
ln-some instagram thingy or something?19:42
coderusah yes19:42
coderusbut i'm not using instagram :(19:42
coderusjust opening some instagram photo from twitter :)19:42
dr_gogeta86_jolluploading is in progress19:43
dr_gogeta86_jollsome problems with multipart http posts19:43
coderuswhat problems?19:43
dr_gogeta86_jollfails give error19:43
dr_gogeta86_jollneed to get traffic from android client19:44
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coderus:)19:44
SKyd3Rare there any app you miss on your Jolla?19:44
dr_gogeta86_jollto me is just to learn how infrastrutture worls19:45
dr_gogeta86_joll*worls19:45
dr_gogeta86_joll*works19:45
dr_gogeta86_jollSKyd3R: not in app but in features19:45
SKyd3Rany example?19:45
dr_gogeta86_jollpush, twitter custom search ( now with closed apis tnx twitter )19:46
SKyd3RI got really tired of android and I'm waiting my Jolla Mobile :)19:47
dr_gogeta86_jollcan't “officially” use sharing apis19:47
SKyd3Rwonder if I'll find something disgusting19:47
dr_gogeta86_jollgetting tired from android is simple as power on19:47
SKyd3Rhaha19:47
dr_gogeta86_jolli think for sure19:47
coderusi'm using a lot of android apps on my jolla19:47
coderus:)19:47
dr_gogeta86_jollwhatsapp as an example :-)19:48
dr_gogeta86_jollcoderus: you need to be proud of you19:48
SKyd3RI found a whatsapp app on the open repository, it isn't working anymore?19:48
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SKyd3R*isn't it19:48
dr_gogeta86_jollcoderus:  did it19:49
coderusSKyd3R: it have many issues :)19:49
dr_gogeta86_jollregistration and login19:49
dr_gogeta86_jollfor now19:49
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SKyd3Rmmm19:50
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SKyd3Rwithout whatsapp the phone lost a lot19:50
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kimmolicoderus: congrats19:50
SKyd3Ris an app I really hate but everyone use19:50
MivalpuffIsn't the SDK only for development, not for checking out the OS? swift110_19:50
coderusKiranos: thanks :)19:51
coderuskimmoli: help rent a room now :D19:51
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swift110_Mivalpuff: i was told yesterday that if i got the sdk i would have access to an iso19:51
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swift110_thats all im trying to do.  I am not against building an app for it but i dont wanna get thrown into that immediately19:51
salyavinI need native weechat client instead of whatsapp ;)19:52
coderusswift110_: just emulator is x86, not ARM19:52
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coderusKiranos: sorry, wrong mention19:54
coderuskimmoli: thanks you :D19:54
Mivalpuffswift110_: oh, cool :)19:58
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swift110_CoderCandy: ok20:05
swift110_im fine with an emulator but i dont understand the one for sailfish20:06
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coderusairbnb site: sorry, but your online account is not enough active for verification :D20:17
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coderusdoes anybody have airbnb copon? :)20:59
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jojjoiohi i need help with the app development... i'd like to use QtQuick.Dialogs but i only get the message that the module is not installed... i have no idea how to install this module..21:01
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coderusjojjoio: use Silica please for developing user interfaces for SailfishOS applicatinos21:03
coderushttps://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-all.html21:03
jojjoioi need to select a picture from the gallery21:04
jojjoioso i think i cant do this with silica21:04
coderusyou can do wahtever you want21:05
coderusyou developer or not? :D21:05
coderusbut there is no really ready to use component21:06
coderusdevelop your own with simple QDir21:06
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jojjoioI'm new in developing for sailfish os and i have some problems to find the right properties21:06
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coderussailfish is just Qt5 with Silica QML components :)21:15
jojjoioso.. how can i realize it?21:16
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coderususe QDir for recursive search in  directories and create interface with list for folders and files21:16
coderuspretty easy21:16
jojjoioi'd like to select a image and upload the selected image to a server (or sending to a php script)21:16
jojjoiook21:17
jojjoioi'll check this out21:17
jojjoiothank you21:17
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coderusbooked this room :D21:41
coderushttps://www.airbnb.ru/rooms/324488621:41
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SKyd3Ris that a sauna, coderus ?21:47
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coderusyep it have sauna also :)21:47
SKyd3Rhaha21:48
sharpneliWtf. 15¤ per night?21:49
coderus:)21:49
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Stskeepsthat smells like rats21:49
jojjoio:'-D21:49
coderus:D21:49
coderuscomments are good, so :D21:49
Accelooks nice :)21:50
Acceeven with rats21:50
coderuswant to spend more time walking over helsinki than sitting at home anyway21:50
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sharpneliOk wtf. It costs like 600¤ per month. And that comes at 20¤ per night21:50
sharpneliIt's cheaper to rent it for shorter periods21:50
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wazdOook, now that iPhone 6+ 128G will cost whooping 60k RUR in here 20K for Jolla stops to look that crazy21:54
Stskeepsuhhuh21:55
salyaviniPhone is a fashion accesory so they can charge a lot.  128G card works fine in Jolla.21:56
M4rtinKhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R. ?21:56
wazdRussian rouble21:56
SKyd3Ra Jolla mobile is quite expensive, I hope it worths the price21:56
wazdyear ago you were able to buy an iMac for 60k afaik21:58
salyavinOS makes it worth it, you get alien dalvik to let you run some android software when Sailfish has no native app for what you want.21:58
wazdAny way I'm totally lost in mobile prices these days :D22:00
javispedrowhat, cheap hotels in .fi?22:09
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coderusholiday inn :D;22:10
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