#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2014-12-06

mornfallso I imagine that java is a good choice if you want to get shit done and don't particularly care about how it looks (or smells)00:00
ikarusmornfall: Java has a huge time investment value for picking up any particular program00:00
ikarushigher then most C++ or Python project for example00:00
mornfallikarus: what do you mean?00:00
ikarusmornfall: the time it takes to read into code when you first get put on a project, until you can contribute useful code00:01
ikarusit's higher for Java then for C++ or Python00:01
mornfallikarus: is that an actual study?00:01
mornfalland did it control for proficiency of the newcomer?00:02
mornfall(and for the size of the project...)00:02
ikarusmornfall: I believe so, I am not a software engineering researcher myself00:02
mornfall(I'm not necessarily disputing the claim, but I'd be curious to see a study about this...)00:03
mornfallI'd expect the spread for C++ to be especially high (there are some seriously cranky C++ projects out there)00:03
falfai'd think i disagree, C++ can be really messy compared even to java00:03
mornfallBut also heaps of heaps of mundane C++ code. :)00:03
mornfallfalfa: “can be” is far from the same thing as “usually is”00:04
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mornfalland there's *tons* of C++ out there00:04
mornfallpicking random C++ file, it'll be probably something very boring00:04
falfawhatever, most people just can't do without automatic memory handling00:04
mornfallthat's a myth00:05
falfai think you're a myth00:05
mornfall“most people” did very well without automatic memory handling until Java became a dominant language00:05
mornfallin other words, your claim strongly disagrees with the data00:06
mornfallyou could *maybe* claim that most people (but not by a big margin) don't *need* to do without automatic memory00:07
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mornfall(also, a garbage collector doesn't make you immune to the consequences of being clueless about object lifetimes... memory leaks are a very real problem in GCed languages)00:12
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pXdhyvää itsenäisyyspäivää :)00:13
mornfallparse error :D00:13
pXd^^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%28Finland%2900:14
mornfall(I have heard this before, without the “itsenäisyys” in the middle :P)00:14
mornfall(which I now figure would be independence)00:15
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lukedirtwalkeryay language discussions :)00:15
pXdyay - tbh i wouldn't know about it if my gf wouldn't be from .fi.00:16
pXd:)00:16
mornfalllukedirtwalker: was that directed at Java or at Finnish? :P00:17
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lukedirtwalkermornfall: Java / c++00:18
pXd*lol* nvm...00:18
mornfalllukedirtwalker: there probably won't be a flamewar this time :( :P00:19
lukedirtwalkermornfall: not interested in flamewars, but it interests me how people think about languages00:19
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mornfall:-)00:21
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vynciehi00:36
vynciei was here earlier (maybe under vynnie, but apparently it was already taken in nickserv00:37
vynciei got username vinnie for my jolla account tho, which is a first for me00:38
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chem|sthi01:20
chem|stoh that was an hour ago ;)01:20
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chem|stvyncie: I hope you enjoy your new phone01:21
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Tegufuu fuu, the twitch app does not work without google play services nowadays08:56
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salyavinWrite them to make a sailfish version or saw you have an Amazon device with no play so please don't leave out not google android.09:58
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Teguhold on, I just remembered that amazon actually bought twitch. so this is a quite weird requirement :o10:07
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Tegumaybe I have some odd version. I could make an amazn accout and give their app store a try10:10
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Stskeepsmoo wazd10:13
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meklucowsay moo10:16
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Teguerr, amazon appstore requires sms sending permissions. thanks, but no thanks10:32
Stskeepson jolla it just pops up a dialog to send things10:33
Stskeepsie, pre-filled sms10:33
tbr.oO(and then he goes and installs random stuff from warehouse)10:34
TeguStskeeps: so i can just cancel it? humm, can we block other android permissions, too?10:36
StskeepsTegu: not all of them, but i'm not sure about details10:36
Tegutbr: haha yeah, those have no permissions restricting anything :D10:38
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japa-fisomeone mentioned "permission remover" on this channel yesterday: http://www.plop.at/en/android/permission-remover.html10:51
Teguhm, the version from amazon also reuires google play.. are there some remainings of the previous installation, and if yes, how can i remove them?10:52
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chris__good morning o/10:56
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Teguoki good, removed and reinstalled, and now it does not ask google play stuff10:59
chem|stStskeeps: I am curious about what idea you had for TOH... (just brainstorming I know that A you will not tell the whole story and B nothing is written in stone yet) - I thought about something like the transformer or the surface - some people would really like to have tablets merged with netbooks10:59
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chem|stphaeron: if you want me to try anything... I am at home and bored^^11:05
Teguautobots - roll out!11:05
chem|stTegu: we need only one spark! just one!11:07
phaeronchem|st: regarding the sdcard ?11:07
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chris__chem|st, conversations app for Android is very good. Groupe Chat works well. Only two function are bad: 1) Send File/Video takes much time and 2) no file transfer in groupe chat11:08
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chem|stphaeron: yup or mtp or whatever11:09
phaeronchem|st: how are you checking mtp on the host ? the sdcard is exposed as a separate mtp volume11:09
chem|stchris__: it is more likely that I just wont do anything than texting before I use android paid services11:10
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chem|stphaeron: oh nice now it is unable to open the device at all11:11
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chem|stha stupid... it claimed usb4:3 when asking for modes then it is 4:411:13
chem|stphaeron: so, I see #Phone Memory# and #SD Card#11:13
phaeronchem|st: where? mtp-detect on host ?11:14
chem|stin nautilus when I say mount Sailfish11:15
chem|stnever tried console stuff with mtp11:15
phaeronand #SD Card# is not working ?11:16
chem|stnope it is emtpy11:16
chris__chem|st, i try trial version ;) ... but i know what you meen.... but it is what it is.... jolla will not support more with xmpp what we have allready :(11:16
phaeronI don't have an sdcard with me right now but I'll try to emulate one with a loop device11:17
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chem|stwhere should I see what with mtp-detect?11:19
chem|stah...11:19
chem|stStorage devices11:19
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chem|styes there are two max capacity is about right, access is said to be read/write11:20
phaeronchem|st: try something else , I don't trust nautilus that much :)11:20
chem|stfantastic how much information gets exprted to mtp... how about adding my personal bankaccounts?11:21
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chem|stI try to read the file tree now11:22
chem|stare there any dedicated mtp browsers?11:22
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chem|stif cli I do not need to hook it to unreliable mtp...11:23
phaerondunno, I'll try a few once I export the loop device11:24
chem|stso nothing happens, MTPZ is disabled11:24
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phaeronbtw you need a usb cable connected to your device to export mtp :)11:27
chem|stis is lol11:27
chem|stI see storage: sdcard and phone memory for mtp-filetree11:28
chem|stand then it stalls11:28
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phaeronpcmanfm was able to browse the fakesd volume11:34
phaeroncopied some files there11:34
chem|stlibmtp error could not send object info11:43
chem|stand the cards stays emtpy11:43
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phaeronmaybe permissions issue ?11:45
phaeronif you are copying to a root owned directory it won't work, mtp is a user service11:46
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phaeronotoh it could just be bad interaction with btrfs on the sdcard11:46
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chem|stbut internal works11:48
chem|stwhat is different with the internal to the sdcard?11:49
phaeroninternal lives in /home/nemo11:49
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phaeronright ?11:49
chem|styes11:49
phaeronso owned by nemo11:49
chem|sthmm let me check that11:50
phaeronlet me try a btrfs fakesdcard11:50
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phaeronin a few minutes , brb11:50
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chem|stdrwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo              78 2014-12-03 19:07 .11:51
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chem|stfor /media/sdcard/$UUID/11:52
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phaeronchem|st: works with btrfs fakesd. I'll try with subvolumes when I have a real sdcard12:18
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chem|stthanks12:23
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phaeronchem|st: maybe nautilus / gvfs-mtp is interfering with the mtp tools, parallel sessions are not supported12:24
phaeronchem|st: also what libmtp version are you using? mine is libmtp-1.1.8-1.fc21.x86_6412:25
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chem|stI read people had issues with libmtp being <1.1.1 but I have 1.1.8...12:27
mcfriskipv6 works on jolla, cool!12:29
SpeedEvilSort-of-on-topic-ish. Is anyone aware of any intel reference tablet designs using the same chipset that are available to inspect- schematics12:29
StskeepsSpeedEvil: out of curious, what do you hope to do?12:29
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SpeedEvilStskeeps: I'm wondering about pens.12:29
Stskeepspens?12:30
SpeedEvilStskeeps: Take a pen, stick some smarts in it - have it listen to the screen for 1ms (or whatever) - then broadcast back an augmented signal - so you can actually use fine-point pens12:30
Stskeepsokay, so wacom like stuff?12:30
SpeedEvilSort-of, but with no internal hardware that doesn't exist12:31
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Stskeepsusb otg/sdio?12:32
SpeedEvilNo - totally passive, sniffing the screen12:32
Stskeepsok12:32
SpeedEvilI should probably hit up some of my existing devices with a scope to see if this is even in principle likely to be plausible12:32
SpeedEvilFat touchscreen pens annoy me. I stopped writing with crayons some time ago.12:33
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chem|stSpeedEvil: there is such pen, but I do not recall its name, was >80eur iirc12:39
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SpeedEvilhmm12:39
chem|styou can also use it to write on paper and have it digital righ away iirc12:39
SpeedEvilI don't think that's quite the same12:39
SpeedEvilthat uses different tech12:39
chem|stdifferent tech but does what you want, no?12:40
Yanielah this thing where you put some kind of receiver on the paper12:40
chem|stYaniel: nope all in the pen12:40
M4rtinKBTW, the wacom/active-pen RFE seems to be quite popular on Together ;-)12:40
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chem|stM4rtinK: I'd buy a note 4 if jolla manages to supply a working rom!12:40
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SpeedEvilchem|st: it relies on stipples - either on the paper or on the screen12:41
SpeedEvilAIUI12:41
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chem|stSpeedEvil: you mean livescribe.com I don't12:42
SpeedEvilhmm12:42
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chem|stwasn't long ago but it seemed to work without special paper + it worked on the tablet12:46
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StskeepsM4rtinK: tablets are easily content making devices12:47
Stskeepshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5081112:47
Yanieloh and if this pen thing happens jolla should collaborate with the krita guys to get krita gemini working on sailfish12:48
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chem|stSpeedEvil: I might be wrong about that but I thought it was without special paper, and the stylus did not look like those scribe or n2 things13:01
SpeedEvilchem|st: yeah - I'm not saying you're wrong - just that I haven't seen anything quite like what I was outlining13:02
chem|stanyways... active pen input would make me buy one more at least13:02
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SpeedEvilthere are various ways to do it on paper that don't actually work on a screen13:02
chem|stSpeedEvil: I found it to be too expensive for me so I skipped it...13:03
SpeedEvil- as on a screen you care about absolute, not relative position13:03
chem|stsure13:03
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chem|stI am not willing to pay samsung 700eur for a prison with a stylus, Jolla on the other hand would probably get my money13:06
jgkehello, my phone decided to go permanently locked, tried to use the recovery mode but ifconfig doesn't show anything but my wlan and loopback, what should I do13:07
M4rtinKyeah, the "Look what I drew on my phone" is very impressive - especially the newer additions :)13:09
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M4rtinKalso the Wacom LCD tablets are still batshit insane expensive & not portable13:10
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M4rtinKso I would say it would be quite popular to have a support for it in the Jolla Tablet13:11
M4rtinKfor the record like chem|st I would be willing to shell out substantially more for the tablet if it had this13:11
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Stskeepswell, what does it really require from the hw?13:12
Stskeepsi understand the value13:12
M4rtinKI guess some additional layer that goes under the display ?13:13
Stskeepsdigitizer?13:14
M4rtinKyep13:14
M4rtinKit does not need direct contact so the thickness of the display assembly should not be an issue13:14
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M4rtinKpeople even built their own LCT tablets by gutting a small LCD and sticking a non-LCD wacom underneet the screen :)13:15
M4rtinK*underneath13:15
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M4rtinKthat's the system I know about, but maybe there could be other implementations ?13:16
Stskeepsadding a wacom digitizer in each tablet sounds expensive, so other choices would be good.:P13:16
Stskeepshow about wacom digitizer 'cover'?13:16
Stskeepsif the thing is transparent13:16
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M4rtinKI've actually seen "touchscreen" sheets that could be applied to a LCD monitor screen13:17
M4rtinKbut I think that has been to enable normal touch input, not pen input13:18
M4rtinKnormally the pen is powered by the magnetic field of the wacom digitizer13:19
M4rtinKco that it can report position, pressure and any button presses on the pen without the need for batteries13:19
M4rtinK*so13:19
M4rtinKso I guess you could stick a battery in it and report pressure & button presses over bluetooth13:20
M4rtinKbut you still need to somehow find where you are pointing with the pen13:21
M4rtinKand I'm kinda skeptical to any addon solutions for this to be precise enough to be usable13:22
M4rtinKactually one thing might be crazy enough to work:13:23
M4rtinKsticking a wacom or equivalent to the backside of the Jolla tablet :)13:23
M4rtinKit might actually be thin enough to work "through" it :)13:23
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Stskeepsthat sounds interesting13:26
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M4rtinKfor the record, my old Wacom Volito2 does not work through the Jolla phone, even with TOH removed13:26
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M4rtinKbut it is quite a lowend tablet & very old13:27
M4rtinKa more powerful one might work better13:27
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M4rtinKin my case it looks like the detection is a few mm short to getting through13:30
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jgke...okay, rebooted laptop and now it shows the interface o-o13:31
M4rtinKbut it works fine through just the DIP toh, even through the PCB parts13:31
M4rtinKso more testing would be welcome I guess :)13:31
M4rtinKespecially with pre-production hardware, when available ;-)13:31
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M4rtinKSo just in case, I've summarized to stick-a-pen-tablet-behind-the-Jolla-tablet idea to a wiki-answer on Together: https://together.jolla.com/question/63876/request-jolla-tablet-wacom-digitizer-active-pen-support/?answer=69527#post-id-6952714:12
M4rtinKmore test results are welcome! :)14:12
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M4rtinK(even though I would still rather like the tablet having the Wacom digitizer built-in, lets keep all options open just in case :) )14:13
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tadzikhah, I got 3 lipstick crashes in the last 3 hours14:56
tadzikall when clicking messages in notificatoins14:56
tadzikshould I upload some logs somewhere?14:56
tbrtadzik: ISTR there will be some related fixes in U1015:01
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chem|stStskeeps: for example the vivotab note8 is ~230eurs with 32gb eMMC... so it cannot be that expensive to build in a tablet15:36
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chem|stjgke: what do you mean by permanently locked? if it is what I think your only way out is to factory-reset iirc15:39
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tbrchem|st: notice that it started out at a >300€ MSRP (I can't find an exact number right now)15:46
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* ShadowJK would rather have a smaller good emmc, than a larger crap emmc15:52
r0kk3rzalso price also varies with volume. Asus can probably afford to do bigger production runs, and expect better sales15:52
ShadowJKThe emmc in asus transformer series of products is so slow, that loading a google search in chrome takes ages, and the cpus sit idling entire time.. :(15:54
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Teemujou15:58
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Teemuhappy independence15:58
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r0kk3rzTeemu: big party happening in finland?16:50
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vynciere16:53
Stskeepswb16:54
vynciedid you just read my monologue or was i offline (around 10 mintes ago)16:57
Stskeepsi don't think so16:57
Teemur0kk3rz: dunno, some people are, some are not16:58
vyncielol16:58
Nicd-r0kk3rz: the independence day ball starts now, also earlier there was the finnish defence forces march16:58
Teemuproblem is, the founding fathers chose a _really_ poor time of year for celebration16:58
StskeepsTeemu: during winter seems pretty apt for finland..16:58
Teemuit's +1 degrees centrigrade and raining, as is the most usual weather for this day16:58
r0kk3rzits frickin freezing I know lets have a public holiday16:58
Nicd-freezing? not really16:59
vyncieand drink to get warm...16:59
Nicd-I wish it was freezing16:59
Teemunot freezing, no, just super unpleasant16:59
Teemufreezing would be better than this16:59
Ezkoa lot of people were partying yesterday, mostly because it's the time for company christmas parties and people got their tax returns on wednesday16:59
r0kk3rzsorry i forgot who I was talking to, 1C is freezing for me, but not for you finns16:59
Ezkoand when finns have extra money they go drinking16:59
Nicd-r0kk3rz: 1°C is not freezing even for water :P16:59
r0kk3rzfor literal definitions of freezing, sure17:00
vynciein some countries 5 or 6 of december is the original party of st. nick17:00
Teemuwhen we say freezing referring to weather, we're speaking about weather much worse than inside your freezer17:00
r0kk3rzwhich makes perfect sense17:01
Ezkoi rather have -15 and snow than +1 and rain17:01
r0kk3rzits common for english and australians to refer to merely cold weather as 'freezing'17:01
Teemunormal freezers are somewhere around -15C which is pretty decent weather if there is no wind17:01
r0kk3rzbecause we like hyperbole17:01
TeemuEzko: hell yeah, any day17:01
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Ezkoespecially when i went to sleep before the sun was up and woke up after it had set17:02
Ezkocause it's pretty dark17:02
Teemubtw are any of you interested in seeing a demo shop for globe hope the brand that combines online shopping app with in store shopping?17:02
r0kk3rzi thought it was reasonably cold at 5C when i was in helsinki in november17:02
r0kk3rzbut my finnish friends were remarking at how warm it was17:03
Ezkothat's pretty typical for november17:03
Teemur0kk3rz: 5C in helsinki winter feels a lot colder than -5C because the moist air conducts body heat so much better than dry air17:03
Teemuespecially in the -5C in february is pleasant as the sea has frozen over and winds are pretty dry17:04
nomeataHi. I’m about to integrate my jolla into my home-grown rsync-based backup system. Is there a list worth of backupping somewhere?17:04
r0kk3rzTeemu: agreed, its been colder than that here in england recently17:04
r0kk3rzbut hasnt been sapping the body heat anywhere near as much17:04
Teemuyou in england never get to experience a cold winter wind17:04
Ezkodry cold weather sucks for my skin though17:04
Teemui mean17:04
Teemucold dry wind17:04
Teemuor cold dry windless <317:04
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Ezkoit's fine otherwise17:05
r0kk3rzup here in the north east apparently you do, but we'll see, I havent been here through a winter yet17:05
TeemuEzko: that's why my wife makes super good cosmetics at home17:05
Teemur0kk3rz: i bet the atlantic doesn't have ice cover that south17:05
Ezkoyeah well17:05
Ezkoi buy them from the pharmacy :P17:05
Nicd-yeah, I don't mind -25°C but the wind hurts at that temperature17:05
Teemu-15C is a nice biking weather though17:06
Ezko-whatever and a good layer of snow is a nice driving weather17:06
r0kk3rzTeemu: true, more the north sea rather than the atlantic on this side, but sure, no ice17:06
Ezkoyou know17:06
Teemur0kk3rz: i call all of that just atlantic :)17:06
r0kk3rzfair enough17:07
TeemuEzko: yes but much colder than -15 hurts the face17:07
Ezkoi mean driving with a car17:07
r0kk3rzbritain isnt big enough to call it a different sea just because its on the other side17:07
Teemu-15 being pretty much ideal in that the snow doesn't locally melt under tyres, creating the creaky type of good friction but still not being hurtful to face17:07
r0kk3rzmaybe I should head back to finland soon, see what the winter is really like17:08
r0kk3rzdont exactly get temperatures like -15C in australia17:09
TeemuEzko: funny thing is, here in countryside i've never needed 4wd but when i lived in matinkylä (a helsinki region neighbourhood) the parking lot and local roads had so bad snow and ice troubles i was really glad i drove a jeep17:10
Ezkoyeah17:10
Ezkotry töölö or eira17:10
Teemuwas real fun starting the car at morning and just drive out of the parking lot, waving to neighbours who were shoveling the 20+cm ice wall that the snow removal machines left behind their cars17:11
Ezko:OO17:11
Ezko:))17:11
r0kk3rzhaha17:12
nomeataAnd: /data/media and /home/nemo/android-storage look identical. I guess I should backup only one?17:12
Ezkoi mean i haven't lived in töölö or eira but i've driven there during winter17:12
Ezkoand it's horrible :P17:12
Ezkowould not move there with a car that isn't 4wd17:12
Teemuyup17:13
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Teemui'll link a pic of me having a leisurely biking competition on sea ice at roughly -15C17:14
r0kk3rznomeata: they're probably symlinked17:14
Teemuhttps://irc-galleria.net/user/temmi_hoo/picture/9632165417:14
Ezkoi think it's time to see what the driving conditions are like tonight17:14
nomeatar0kk3rz: it seems to be a FUSE mount, dunno why though17:14
Nicd-Teemu: irc-galleria, blast from the past17:14
Teemuit could've been current but they chose to do ugly stuff and people left17:15
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Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/69447/how-many-more-than-me-is-thinking-the-tablet-could-be-used-for-a-vr-display/18:01
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sharpneli"should be not to big of a problem creating the VR experience that Occulus fights with." And then you'll notice that anything over 20ms latency is going to make you puke and then you'll notice that achieving that in android = ahahahaha fat chance.18:02
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Stskeepswell18:03
sharpneliWith Intel GPU it just might be doable tho. Their drivers are not the cesspools of horror which is QC stack.18:03
Stskeepsthat's a very good question how that'd work in practice18:03
Stskeeps:P18:03
suosaaskithe tablet is rather heavy for vr display :|18:04
Stskeepsstrenghtening your neck for sure18:04
r0kk3rzthey do quite a number of hacks directly to the display on the DK218:04
r0kk3rzand are set to do more18:04
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suosaaskimore than double the weight of a suitable phone18:04
r0kk3rzbut they have carmack working on the samsung mobile version18:05
r0kk3rzusing a standard samsung note 3 or whatever18:05
r0kk3rzand if anyone is going to make it work, its that guy18:05
suosaaskinote 418:05
r0kk3rzthat one18:06
suosaaskiit already works?18:06
suosaaskiiirc18:06
r0kk3rzyeah it does18:06
r0kk3rztheres a really really good talk by carmack on the situation18:06
suosaaskiyes.18:06
r0kk3rzi quite enjoyed it18:06
suosaaskiI actually have one article "saved for later" on feedly that I have not yet read. Perhaps I should, it's been there months :)18:07
r0kk3rzbut only by doing some clever hacks on the display stack18:07
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suosaaskihttp://techcrunch.com/2014/09/03/samsung-gear-vr-oculus-ceo-brendan-iribe/?ncid=rss18:07
r0kk3rzand still not as good as actually hacking the hardware18:07
r0kk3rzhttp://www.roadtovr.com/john-carmacks-brilliant-oculus-connect-keynote-goes-off-message-from-the-standard-pr-plan/ << for anyone wondering what im talking about18:08
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gogetaStskeeps, i think rather then this things18:09
gogetajolla must focus on personal productivity18:10
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vynciere18:13
vynciedoes anyone have any neat ideas for talking to arduino or raspberry over i2c? i know they have it and the jolla has one, my imagination is kinda dead as to connecting them in a useful fashion18:17
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Teemuyou can flash a stm32 device via that18:18
Teemukimmoli has something to that effect and to me it is pretty interesting as my main line of work consists of deveoping stm32 based embedded software and hardware18:19
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kimmoli?18:20
kimmolii can publish the stm32 schematics of the programming interface if someone is interested18:21
Teemui am18:21
kimmoliit uses INT pin in bidirectional way, to enable programming when powering up and then as int from stm32 to jolla18:21
Teemui'm also interested in having something like a showoff of efforts that you can use jolla devices for ell-i hardware18:22
kimmoli(middle of another schematic/layout now, will do in few hours)18:22
Teemuoh okay18:22
Teemui'm not in a great hurry18:22
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Teemubtw where do you work geographically?18:23
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kimmoliespoo18:25
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kimmoliand. no not worked at nixu18:27
Teemudo i ask the nixu question from everyone or just you?18:30
Teemumy cooperative is hosted at otaniementie 19 eit helsinki clc and i'd be pretty interested in seeing something like this do something18:31
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kimmolii have heard that question before..18:35
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Teemui'm not sure if i asked it18:37
Teemui just did happen to found ellicoop with pnr18:37
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japa-fiIs there a nice native audio player for jolla?20:08
gogetaquasar mx20:08
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kimmoliTeemu: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=cfaf87b6-6cf4-d73f-b85b-a8c938813f9521:04
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Teemuloadingu21:06
Teemuwould you want to meet irl to see more about how things go?21:07
kimmolimight be possible21:09
Teemui'd be interested in seeing how to modify that schematic to work with the stm nucleo card family21:10
Teemuthey do have a st-link2 card in front of the main mcu21:11
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kimmolijust get rid of the stlink part, wire reset, SDA/SCL, and BOOT0 to the main cpu ?21:17
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Teemui think it could be done21:21
Teemuall the pins of the main mcu are available on the morpho headers21:21
Teemumorpho being a pretty well designed set of headers that appears on all nucleo boards21:23
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Teemunow, what does d2 do in that schematic?21:32
Teemuprotect sda/scl from over/undershoot?21:32
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kimmoliD2..21:42
kimmoliit is EEPROM21:42
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kimmoliTeemu: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/The_other_half#The_unofficial_EEPROM_configuration_functionality21:44
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Teemui'm very new to the whole sailfish thing21:46
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Teemuoh oh that way21:50
Teemupretty cool and simple21:50
kimmoliyes. that was todays doze. i need to change polarisation. GN21:50
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pdanek1Is Jolla fully functional in Vietnam?22:23
pdanek12G/3G?22:23
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mornfallpdanek1: same 3G frequencies as .cz, so probably yes22:25
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mornfallpdanek1: http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html22:25
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pdanek1mornfall: thx22:26
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gogetahttp://pastebin.com/BYYwSuSW22:38
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gogetaStskeeps, i wrote here is more on topic22:47
gogetaafter restarting alien dalvik22:47
gogetanotification wokrs22:47
gogeta*works22:47
gogetabut stil got error for mediaplayer22:47
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