#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2014-12-09

M4rtinKyeah, displayport would be also nice00:00
M4rtinKbut AFAIK most LCD TVs still have only display ports00:00
M4rtinKerr, hdmi00:00
M4rtinKI do have one LCD monitor with display port though00:01
tiwakeyeah well screw HDMI... it has way too much DRM00:01
tiwakeI have three IPS screens with displayport :P00:01
M4rtinKit might be actually quite easy to just take some of those dongles00:02
M4rtinKand port sailfish os on it with libhybris00:02
tiwakehere is an open source kickstarter thing for something like that00:02
M4rtinKthe Mozilla one ?00:02
tiwakeor was anyway00:02
tiwakeno... uh00:03
M4rtinKI have pledged on that00:03
M4rtinKbut thats is more like wireless display I think00:03
M4rtinKstill, lets say you have that dongle00:03
M4rtinKhow would you actually use it ? :)00:04
M4rtinKI guess it could be used to host xbmc or something00:04
tiwakehere it is00:04
tiwakehttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1859884318/oscar-the-open-screen-adapter00:04
tiwakeOSCAR00:04
M4rtinKas I am not sure how usable would the current Sailfish OS GUI be for use on a TV/big monitor00:05
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tiwakeI want an array of like 6 or 8 of those00:06
M4rtinKhmm, I think that one is actually more or less the screen for the Jolla tablet00:06
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M4rtinKbut on the other hand - this could make an ideal LCD tablet! :)00:06
tiwakeI love the pixel density00:07
M4rtinKjust slap an old Wacom behind it and BAM, LCD tablet! :)00:08
M4rtinKno case/battery/pcb/component shielding to get in the way00:09
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M4rtinK& less chance of electrocution inherent to taking apart LCD monitors to get the screen for a DIY tablet :)00:09
tiwakehmm yeah00:10
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tiwakeaww, about 20min ago somebody downvoted my M.2 interface idea00:11
tiwakelol00:11
M4rtinKso thanks for the link :)00:11
M4rtinKmight come useful in the future :)00:11
tiwakethen a couple minutes later somebody else bumped it up00:11
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M4rtinKI find the downvotes to be quite random00:12
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M4rtinKmight be the same users - reverting the decision after finding how much karma downvotes consume :)00:13
tiwakeno, because there are two plot points on the graph still00:13
tiwakeunless it keeps that too00:14
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tiwakeyeah, I don't have any HDMI screens, and HDMI I don't think will be around for too much longer -- it does not have enough bandwidth for more than a 1920x1080 screen00:19
tiwakewhereas displayport can do... heh... a lot more00:19
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tiwakealthough, movies probably wont be much higher resolution than 1080p for quite some time00:22
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tiwakeohhhh00:25
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tiwakewith a wacom or N-trig... and all the drawing is done on a layer above any given screen...00:26
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tiwakeStskeeps: is the HDMI stick thing an accessory idea thing an accessory jolla would make?00:31
tiwakeerm00:31
tiwakes/accessory//00:31
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M4rtinKgood night everyone! :)00:36
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tiwake...its not even quitting time00:40
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lpotterhmmm... http://www.osnews.com/story/28126/Is_it_time_for_Nokia_and_Jolla_to_reunite_01:17
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ottulothinking about it... Nokia is making Android devices and apps, Sailfish is to a great degree capable of running on the same hardware01:28
ottuloso it's not that far-fetched in my opinion that there'd be a Nokia device running SailfishOS before long01:28
ottuloat least a community port :D01:29
tiwakeI could see them using the OS... probably nothing more01:31
ottuloexactly, hardware collaboration seems unlikely01:31
tiwakeor a company merger01:32
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lpotter'Passion' or 'Respect' was never one of the Nokia company values...01:48
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tiwakea lot of the older companies forget why and how they started01:49
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lpotterya... well wood pulp is a long way away from mobile phones and networking equipment...01:53
tiwakewood pulp?01:54
lpotterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia#1865_to_196701:55
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tiwakeoh, rubber01:56
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lpotterno. wood pulp01:57
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tiwakeI was looking for wood pulp and didnt see any skimming around all I saw was rubber stuff... went back to the start and actually read and "oh, there it is"01:59
tiwake:P01:59
lpotter:) it's easy to miss02:00
tiwakecompanies that old typically dont have values like that anyway02:03
lpotteroh.. I guess nokia did add 'Respect' to their company values02:07
tiwakealso, I'm cooking rice and running two CNC lathes at the moment02:07
tiwakeI would be cooking some chicken too, but the chicken here in the shop refrigerator is smelly and old02:09
tiwakewe need a freezer of some sort02:09
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tiwakecut the mold off the cheese02:12
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tiwakehere at my company we have a TV, sound system, and pretty nice internet... can watch anything the internet has to provide while working :302:15
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lpotterme too. but I work from home. so the fridge is right there too02:22
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tiwakeheh02:25
tiwakeoh gosh, cheese, rice, and jalapeños02:25
tiwakeso good02:25
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tiwakelpotter: what do you do for work?02:37
lpottercode monkey02:38
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tiwakelpotter: what programs? what languages? what company?02:59
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lpotterlots of different programs. mostly Qt and qml. Whomever is paying me at the moment :)04:55
tiwakelpotter: so... is that C or C++ or python or caml or erlang or lisp or objectiveC or C#...?04:58
lpotterQt is c++ of coarse04:59
tiwakeheh, I guess caml and erlang are not too popular04:59
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tiwakelpotter: oh ok, C++ :P05:02
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Teemuthere was a fleeting short thought that elli embedded devices application language would be erlang05:51
Teemuthen we woke up and saw that they're going to be c++/c just like the runtime part is05:52
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lainwir3dhi08:22
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lainwir3d24hours left08:26
lainwir3dmight be doable08:26
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Pawkyis there anyway to set the SMS signal volume different?09:06
Pawkyor "notifier" volume.09:06
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tbrhave you checked in settings?09:16
Pawkytbr: i think so... you only have "default ringtone"09:17
tbrok09:18
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tbrmight only be possible with digging into pulse-audio then09:19
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Pawkyalsamixer?09:19
tbrthe other way would be to take a ringtone file and just remaster it at a lower volume09:19
Pawkytbr: yeah, but one would not always like to have it in a low volume..09:20
Pawkybut... yeah09:20
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Azoghow can i see, which type of mobile connection the jolla phone uses? selecting "prefer 4G" i get ~20 MB/s but 3G is showing; with "prefer 3G" i only get ~7 MB/s09:31
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tbrAzog: that's interesting09:36
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madoGood morning everyone :)09:37
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madoGood morning / welcome back bjorn ? ... and TheBootroo|work ;)09:39
TheBootroo|workmado: Ohai!09:39
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Azogmy problem seems to be https://together.jolla.com/question/7075/cellular-data-service-info-gprsedgeumtshsdpahsupa/09:41
madohello Azog :)09:41
madoso i guess this means we can ask questions here too?09:42
madosince Azog referred to something?09:43
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tbrmado: sure09:43
Azogas always in irc: don't ask to ask, ask09:43
madoAzog, i've heard about that rule before but believe it or not ... every channel is different :D09:44
tbrAzog: based on that, some information might be gleaned from statefs, but it could be interesting to patch up ofono, the question is how does the RIL layer provide info.09:44
madothere was this one channel i've been in some time ago and they said you'd have to raise your hand or something first and then you could ask a question09:44
tbrThe very nice thing: the ofono ril connector is open source09:44
madoi for one got the phone a few minutes ago ... it looks like everything's here ... USB cable, battery, etc ...09:45
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madoit's charging right now and I decided to give it a try and switch it on ... now here's my first problem (maybe you'll laugh about it) ... the text, etc ... what you see on the screen ... it's all rotated09:46
madohow can one change that?09:46
ggabrielrotate the device?09:47
ggabrielreboot if the that doesn't work?09:47
madoyes ggabriel but even then ... the text is not exactly displayed correctly ...09:47
madoit's like half or more than a half of the screen is just white ...09:48
ggabrieldefine correctly09:48
ggabrielis your screen rotated or have you got a problem with the font itself? a picture may be worth a 1000 words here09:48
phaeronthere have been reports of such issues. Best is to factory reset.09:48
madophaeron, i haven't even used the phone yet ... i switched it on for the first time :D09:48
madoand yes, my screen is rotated ggabriel09:49
madobut part of the screen isn't even there ... there's just white09:49
Azogmaybe just reboot09:49
ggabrieltry rebooting or follow phaeron's advice, especially since you have nothing to lose at this stage09:50
ggabrieli'd contact care otherwise to be honest09:51
madoggabriel, how can i reset the phone when i can't even see all of the text there :)09:51
ggabrielmado: press the power button for several seconds until it's off09:51
ggabrielunplug the power cable09:51
ggabrielswitch on the phone09:51
Azogtbr: switching 4G/3G does not change Cellular.DataTechnology, it is always umts; i think i just monitor the tjc-thread09:51
ggabrielbattery should come with enough charge for you to set it up, once you're happy with it, plug it back in09:51
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madoone moment ... will try it again ... this time like you said ... by having the phone unplugged first09:56
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tiwakeI wish I could get a jolla phone here in USA09:58
tiwakeI use GSM and a sim card already09:58
madoalright ... same issue ggabriel -> http://picpaste.com/ee12eecf477503f2dcc64e616b51c466.bmp09:58
SK_worktiwake: the experience will be bad, as you will get at best 2G09:58
madoi tried to draw a little picture of how it looks09:59
madoas i don't have a working camera available at the moment09:59
tiwakeSK_work: I dont have a data plan09:59
tiwakenor do I want one09:59
tiwakeI just want a GSM based cellphone with wifi and a nice operating system :310:00
ggabrielmado: try phaeron's advice then, else i'd contact care10:00
phaeronmado: you can factory reset from the recovery console10:00
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madowell phaeron ... i don't know how to go over stuff like that yet10:01
madoand yes ... i will contact customer care :)10:01
madoi take it your phones didn't have this issue when launching it for the first time?10:02
phaeronmado: this issue is quite random10:02
tiwakeSK_work: where I live I dont even get cellphone service, from any carrier10:03
stephgta10:06
stephgoops10:07
madoi see phaeron :)10:07
tiwakeanyway, I'm going to bed10:10
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madoalright then everyone ... i need to head out for a while ... thanks for having tried to help me :)10:26
madoGod bless you10:26
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mornfallso is $90k worth of tablets going to sell in the remaining 22 hours?10:31
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mornfalland more importantly, how is update 10 doing?10:32
Nicd-u10 delayed again, thanks to mornfall ;)10:33
tadzik:D10:33
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zuttospeaking of the tablet10:35
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zuttois the referral thing active anymore? i'm ordering one if someone wants one more to their list10:36
mornfallNicd-: well it's already 3 or so months late, isn't it?10:36
ilpianistazutto: yes it's10:36
ilpianistazutto: mine :-) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet/x/917927810:36
zuttoused it10:37
ilpianistathanks!10:37
zuttohmh10:38
zuttowait wait wait10:38
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zutto"Receive a special discount from the expected retail price of $249, as well as being among the first to receive a Jolla Tablet." does this mean that i still have to pay something when they actually release the tablet ;O10:38
ilpianistazutto: from what I understood the tablet should be sold at 249$10:39
Nicd-yes, you have to pay the tax and shipping10:39
Nicd-they are not included in the indiegogo price10:39
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zuttoi see10:40
Teguso, you have no idea how much you'll end up paying? just receive "a special discount" which can be anything10:41
zuttoso in the end, if it ships from HK it'd end up costing 279.38 (shipping included)10:41
zuttoTegu: thats my problem here atm10:41
mekluthose are some very light taxes10:41
zuttoi remember there being such thing with the phone10:41
zuttomeklu: 22%10:41
Nicd-Tegu: umm, tax is usually fixed in every country10:41
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mornfallmeklu: very light as in 20+%10:41
meklu24% here ;)10:41
Nicd-Tegu: so you can kind of anticipate how much it will cost beforehand10:41
TeguNicd-: but that wording doesn't say anything about taxes10:41
mornfallmeklu: that's between a fifth and a fourth of the price you know :-)10:41
ilpianista22% here :-(10:41
zuttoin finland customs charge 22% for electronics10:41
zutto:|10:42
mekluand I somehow was calculating things off the $249 figure, oops :D10:42
mekluwell10:42
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mekluthat figure went up10:42
ilpianistait's almost extra 37euro for me10:42
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meklutwice10:42
zuttoand the customs include the shipping price in that tax too :|10:42
mekluit's 24% nowadays10:42
Nicd-Tegu: it says below "VAT or applicable taxes may apply (see FAQ)"10:42
* meklu is in Finland10:42
* ilpianista Italy10:42
zuttooh wait, its 24% yeah10:42
mekluback in 2010 it was still 22% iirc10:43
zutto~284$ shipped here with the tax :|10:43
zuttounless i need to pay something even more to jolla after they launch the tablet10:43
meklu$259.16 here, was among the first few to order D:10:44
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zuttohmh10:44
Nicd-zutto: as I understand it only tax and shipping10:44
mornfallbtw., why is jolla still spending time with Qt 5.2 when 5.3 is supposed to fix some of the performance issues of 5.2 and it's been out even before update 8 in summer?10:44
lainwir3dsame here, $25910:44
ilpianistastupid me...I waited an hour or so...and I miss the 189$ perk10:44
lainwir3dmornfall: I guess they have some internal patch / workaround to take into account10:44
Stskeepsmornfall: our qtdeclarative is actually qt5.310:45
zuttoNicd-: any confirmation on that?10:45
ilpianistazutto: however, from what I understood you don't need to pay anything extra (except VAT and shipping) for the tablet10:45
lainwir3dand they said Qt 5.2 -> 5.3 transition will be a lot easier10:45
ilpianista(otherwise I see no advantages for indiegogo buyers)10:45
Nicd-zutto: see the FAQ10:45
lainwir3dthough Qt5.4 is around the corner10:45
zuttoreading atm10:45
mornfallStskeeps: so it didn't really help then? (the “performance enhancements” from release announcements are known to be pretty slippery :)10:46
zuttobut it doesnt clarify that the discount is the final price for the tablet (without counting in the taxes and shipping) :|10:46
Stskeepsmornfall: our problem is not the performance, the problem is memory :P10:46
mornfallStskeeps: well, better memory use counts as a performance improvement, especially now that they officially support major mobile platforms10:48
mekluall the js doesn't really help you in that respect I reckon10:48
mekluehh10:48
meklubarely10:48
mekluunless it's an objective improvement rather than a cpu vs. ram tradeoff10:49
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mornfallmeklu: well, yeah, writing user interfaces in javascript is convenient, but the overhead is obviously huge :-)10:52
mornfallStskeeps: did you try compiling the QML files of the main UI components btw?10:54
mornfallStskeeps: (I'm not sure it'd help with memory use, but it could)10:54
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Stskeepsmornfall: the qml compiler is a commercial offering10:54
mekludamn you, Digia :<10:56
mornfallwell, qt *is* a core component of your OS...10:56
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mornfallhm, and 5.4 is planned for today, incidentally10:57
lainwir3d:-o Nice10:57
lainwir3dtime to build QtBluetooth 5.4 for sailfishos10:58
Teguinb4 a transition to qt 5.4 will be done before the next update10:58
mornfalllainwir3d: you're after bluetooth LE?10:58
lainwir3dyeah10:59
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lainwir3dI already have a build from the master of ~3 weeks ago10:59
lainwir3dI already use it for "ZIK 2.0 Manager" in harbour10:59
mornfallhmm, and qtwebkit is deprecated now11:00
Tegumornfall: is there a replacement?11:00
mornfallTegu: yeah, webengine (based off chromium)11:00
Teguso, still webkit. what's the difference?11:00
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mornfallTegu: O_o11:01
mornfallTegu: by that argument chromium == konqueror :P11:01
mornfall(and firefox == netscape)11:01
mornfallno, there's obviously no difference :-)11:01
Tegu:D11:02
SceltStskeeps: maybe you should just skip stable Qt 5.2 (update10) and release 5.4 straight away :D11:03
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mornfallScelt: that might turn out to be even more trouble11:04
Sceltmornfall: see ":D"11:04
Scelt3 months struggling Qt 5.211:04
mornfallStskeeps: btw. -- is the problem that you want the UI stack on sailfish to remain buildable with an OSS toolchain or that you don't have a deal with digia?11:04
mekluit's blink, not webkit11:05
meklu(the chromium stuff)11:05
Stskeepsmornfall: basically ish like that; if you add a commercial dependency at critical level it's a problem11:05
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mekluwebkit started looking intriguing when chrom{e,ium} dropped out11:05
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mekluthose 8 million lines got culled for instance11:06
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mornfallmeklu: I think Tegu was referring to the fact it's a fork of the same thing11:06
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TeguI think I don't know what I was referring to :D11:07
Tegueh, so it's actually the whole chromium and not just the blink engine?11:07
mornfallTegu: no it's not the whole chromium, that'd make qt build take 16 or so hours :P11:07
mornfallmaybe closer to 20 by now11:08
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Tegu(actually I had thought that webkit was renamed to blink but looks like it's not the case)11:08
mornfallTegu: no, that's not the case11:08
mornfallit's a fork of a fork of a fork :-)11:08
mornfall(and chromium is basically an operating system, bit like the lispmachine OS but for javascript :P)11:09
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Tegu:D11:09
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mornfalltablet of the beast, $1,666,17011:17
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mornfallhm, also it seems that just booting aliendalvik (but not doing anything) costs in the vicinity of 300M of RAM11:21
mornfallit'll be swapped out eventually, but it's still more than a third of what's available to the system11:22
SK_workyes11:24
SK_workI'm not running dalvik since ages11:24
SK_workbecause of ram11:24
mornfallthe problem is there's no switch to make it run only when actually used11:25
mornfallso I usually forget to stop it11:25
Tegu1GB is way too little :(11:25
mornfallalso, the on-demand start is broken11:25
mornfall(something runs out of time, maybe, so the first app comes up entirely black)11:25
Nicd-works for me11:25
mornfallmight depend on what app you run first :-)11:26
SK_workTegu: 1 gig should have been enough11:26
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mornfallSK_work: well, it'd be closer to enough if 1G wouldn't actually mean 800M :-)11:27
SK_work:D11:27
SK_workyeah11:27
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mornfallanother thing that might help is making the swap 2G instead of 500M11:28
mornfallbecause running out of the combined ram+swap of 1.2G is entirely too easy11:29
mornfall1.311:29
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mornfallsadly, swapping to a file on btrfs is probably going to be a performance nightmare11:30
ggabriels/on btrfs //11:30
ggabriel:)11:30
mornfalland changing the GPT layout will probably hurt11:30
ggabrielwell, swapping in general is a perf nightmare11:31
stephgwhat little experimentation I did with a second swapfile on sdcard the performance was subjectively poorer11:31
Nicd-poor performance is sometimes better than crashing11:32
mornfallstephg: forget an sd card11:32
mornfallstephg: sdcard performance is ... abysmal11:32
RavenholmDXFor sure11:32
mornfallit'll also lose data and if you swap to it, corrupt your RAM content11:32
RavenholmDXI get like, 6MB r/w11:32
RavenholmDXwith a UHS-1 card11:33
mornfallyeah, which is almost 100x slower than a decent SSD :-)11:33
stephgdid anyone benchmark the emmc btw11:33
RavenholmDXhaha, yeah mornfall11:33
stephgI seem to remember someone did back in the day11:33
RavenholmDXI've been super impressed with the idle battery life on Jolla11:33
RavenholmDXit's like .5% an hour11:33
mornfallRavenholmDX: if you are in good signal then yes, it seems to do pretty well11:34
RavenholmDXYeah, I'm in a city11:34
ggabrielfor my use case, this memory issue is all android's fault11:34
mekluan SSD has negative speeds? D:11:36
Tegui will suck your data into a black hole!11:36
Teguit*11:36
meklu"which is almost 100x slower than a decent SSD"11:36
mornfallhmm, I have to say that desktop firefox seems to be pretty memory-efficient11:36
mornfallmeklu: well, 550MB/s vs. 6MB/s11:37
meklua hundedth of the speed maybe11:37
ggabrielmornfall: lately, and in comparison to chrom(e|ium) or opera, yeah11:37
meklu+r11:37
mornfallSSD-to-SSD copy is a thing to behold11:37
meklubut 100 times less is a different matter11:37
meklu-55,000 + 55011:38
mornfallmeklu: what are you talking about?11:38
mekluD:11:38
mornfallthat doesn't make any sense11:38
mekluprecisely11:38
Nicd-meklu: you are misunderstanding11:38
mekluI am purposefully misunderstanding11:39
mornfallNicd-: he's just manufacturing a misunderstanding, actually11:39
Nicd-6 is 100 times slower (smaller) than something11:39
Nicd-so that something is 60011:39
j-dogenot trying to be a smart-ass, but I'd sure love to see a proof like that on some math paper :D11:39
mornfalltrying to claim that if A is 100x faster than B, it's not the case that B is 100x slower than A11:39
mornfallj-doge: proof like what?11:40
meklux100 != /10011:40
j-dogemornfall: proof like Nicd- gave just above my line11:40
mornfallthis is entirely about what “slower” means11:40
Teemuthis is war on language semantics, not really arithmetics11:41
mekluwhat's 1x slower than an SSD?11:41
meklua device with 0 write speed11:41
Teemuthe arithmetics issue is clearly resolvable as soon as it is decided what the language constructs actually mean11:41
mornfallwell, it's meklu who insists on useless semantics for “slower” :-)11:42
meklu:)11:42
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mornfallwe now have to all say “1/100th as fast”11:42
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mornfall(because “slow” is clearly additive while “fast” is multiplicative)11:43
mornfallmeh11:44
mornfallanyway11:44
mornfallnoscript probably really helps with browser memory use11:44
ggabrielmornfall: good point actually11:44
mornfallmy current desktop uses 630M for firefox + 360M for everything else11:45
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mornfall(plus the videoram)11:45
zuttomornfall: disabling browser plugins helps a ton too if you still have those enabled11:45
zuttoie, disabling java and flash11:45
mornfallI don't even have those installed...11:45
zutto:P11:46
mornfallespecially flash is an invitation for malware11:46
mornfallno point in running noscript if you install flash11:46
zuttofirefox with 20 tabs used 2 gigs of ram, with java plugin completly removed it dropped to ~60011:46
ggabrielmornfall: noscript blocks flash too11:47
mornfallStskeeps: do you know if lipstick does texture compression on framebuffers?11:47
zuttoggabriel: browser still loads the module in tho11:48
mornfallggabriel: yeah, I meant enabling flash and only blocking javascript would defeat the point, security-wise11:48
ggabrielmornfall: agree; zutto: yeah, was commenting more on the security side11:48
ggabrielsadly, you still need flash nowadays11:49
mornfalldo you?11:49
ggabrielsometimes even silverlight (!)11:49
mornfalluh-oh11:49
ggabrielyeah, I do11:49
ggabrieli visit some .jp sites sometimes11:49
zuttoi gotta say, i still prefer flash to html5 videos :/11:49
zuttobut thats mainly due to my computer apparently cant handle html5 4k videos properly11:49
ggabrielsome websites prefer flash for videos too (e.g., youtube)11:49
zuttoyoutube prefers html5 nowdays11:49
ggabrielnot for me11:50
ggabrielit loves flash11:50
zuttoyou cant even enable flash for youtube if you use chrome11:50
ggabrieli use ff :)11:50
ggabrielthis is a bit off topic tho11:50
zuttoa tiny bit :P11:51
ggabrieli want my tablet11:51
ggabrielthere we are, back to topic ;)11:51
zuttoi'm waiting for the support to reply before i order mine :P11:51
zuttoif they even reply before the igg ends11:51
mekluas horrid as flash is, it seems like this html5 stuff isn't really a too viable solution :P11:52
mekluyou get to have ever-larger payloads, yay?11:52
mornfallwell, I wouldn't mind being able to install noscript on jolla11:52
zuttoits great idea for sites like youtube11:52
mornfaller even run a natively built mobile firefox11:52
mornfallor*11:52
zuttois the default browser opensource?11:53
mornfallzutto: yes, it's on github11:53
Nicd-yes11:53
zuttoah11:53
zuttoits using qwebkit is it?11:53
Nicd-no, gecko11:53
zuttoah11:53
zuttoi dont know how that works, but with webkit you can just.. disable the calls to run js11:53
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mornfallzutto: that's not what you want of course11:54
mornfallzutto: you want a management system for permissions to run11:54
mornfalli.e. noscript11:54
zuttoi see11:54
zuttothen you probably want to get firefox running :P11:54
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Wntwhere are the batteries!?12:00
ggabriellol12:00
zuttowould be nice to get bigger battery indeed ;O12:01
zuttoi got used to charging phone once a week with 4200mAh battery12:02
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ottuloWnt: they are there12:08
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VDVsx_batteries here: http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-jolla.html12:09
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ottuloVDVsx: you spoiled the fun of finding them :/12:09
zuttooh what12:09
zuttoi gotta order one right now12:10
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VDVsx:D12:11
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zuttoi dont need the extra battery yet but i still want it12:12
zutto!12:12
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VDVsxlet's see how long it takes until sold out :D12:14
ggabrielcool, ordered mine12:14
ggabrielyou always need an extra battery12:14
RavenholmDX25 isn't bad for a battery12:16
RavenholmDXmight order one after Christas12:17
RavenholmDXChristmas*12:17
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RavenholmDXObviously too broke right now :P12:17
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Ezkoum12:18
Ezkowhy isn't finland in the list of countries to be shipped to12:18
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Ezkoi mean i don't have my glasses on but i'm pretty sure that it's not there12:18
mekluwhere what?12:19
Nicd-Ezko: you have to change European Union to Finland on the bottom of the site12:19
M4rtinK_jolla_cant order two ?12:19
M4rtinK_jolla_seriously ?12:19
M4rtinK_jolla_for 15€ shipping...12:19
ggabrielM4rtinK_jolla_: interesting12:20
meklufree shipping here "for a limited time only"12:20
EzkoNicd-: oh right12:20
ggabrieli had free shipping too12:20
meklu(here being .fi)12:20
* ggabriel uk12:20
RavenholmDXhmm, I should order if it's free shipping for a limited time12:21
EzkoNicd-: thank you12:21
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M4rtinK_jolla_and now I see 0€ shipping when selecting just one to fix the order12:22
M4rtinK_jolla_weird12:22
Nicd-I wonder if they'll be in the stores in Finland too12:22
Ezkoorder one twice12:22
Ezkoi ordered one in case the first one dies or whatever12:23
kimmoliFYI: I promise to make through tear-down for a tablet, if i get one from referral race >> http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet/x/3341704 << few missing...12:24
fluxthe split screen goal seems to be surprisingly close :-o12:28
M4rtinK_jolla_3G! :)12:28
M4rtinK_jolla_actually they can let the campaign open after the official end12:29
chem|stM4rtinK_jolla_: LTE! USBc!12:29
Teemuotg?12:29
chem|stkimmoli: I am missing one for a lastucase12:30
M4rtinK_jolla_of course no tablet enhancements are so important as proper Wacom/Ntrig/active-pen support! :-)12:31
chem|stTeemu: USBc 3.1 OTG?12:31
WntNicd-: I don't think they will hit other stores any time soon :( "we will have a limited batch of spare batteries coming on sale to the Jolla Online Shop very soon. We will announce the availability first to you, TJC Community members, before promoting them elsewhere. It's not a big batch, so you will have to react quickly if you want one." https://together.jolla.com/question/65826/compatible-spare-battery/?answer=68970#post-id-6897012:31
Teemudunno about defgh1.2.3 of it but otg in general12:31
Nicd-damn :/12:31
chem|stM4rtinK_jolla_: well I can live without it but the new USB port would be nice, with HDMI||OTG duplicity12:32
Wntmaybe a better quote from that answer would have been "We unfortunately do not have further information on later availability at this stage, but we will keep you posted.12:33
chem|stAard: does mounting btrfs with "compress" choose algorithm from kernel or does is just don't do anything? do I need to specify 'compress=lzo' instead?12:34
M4rtinK_jolla_chem|st: I would like to be able to both have video out & connect peripherals12:34
chem|stM4rtinK_jolla_: and that is where you need something else than micro usb iirc12:35
chem|stmicrousb can have 5 connectors r?ight12:35
M4rtinK_jolla_for uses like a portable DDR/Stepmania machine, for presentations, ad hoc workstation, etc.12:36
chem|stM4rtinK_jolla_: that is not waht I mean... you need another plug type!12:37
* xkr47 holds thumbs for $1.75M12:37
ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/09/apps_need_a_right_to_remain_silent/12:41
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Teemuchem|st: external display connector would indeed be A Very Nice Thing12:45
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fluxtalking about tablet? I understand the hardware is more or less finished, and rerouting for display connector would sound like a big change13:18
flux..though I'm hopeful that changing the USB connector would be less of one, though it would require modifying the case as well13:19
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M4rtinK_jolla_actually there is about an equal amount of hints for hardware is fixed/hardware is not yet fixed13:20
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M4rtinK_jolla_also all that "people powered" PR13:24
M4rtinK_jolla_designing the tablet with the community, etc.13:25
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Sail0rit's just marketing13:28
Stskeepswell, i'd say focused on SW13:29
StskeepsHW is hard to change; SW is easy13:29
fluxsimilarly I'm sure the level for 3g/4g is so high as to not make it not happen :-)13:29
Stskeeps:P13:29
RavenholmDXI'm the kind of person13:30
RavenholmDXeven though I don't want 3G/4G13:30
flux(oops, I had double negation)13:30
RavenholmDXif they add it, I'll buy it13:30
RavenholmDXI wouldn't say no to a 4G/64GB model for $100 more13:30
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SK_workStskeeps: maybe for the next product, we could give our point of view on HW too ?13:31
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Stskeepsthe real problem there is that HW choices come down for RFQs and RFIs from vendors and those offers are confidential..13:33
Stskeeps+reponses13:33
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SK_workRFQ RFI ?13:33
SK_workand about SW: /me want split screen, even if the goal is not reached13:34
SK_workit is close to be reached, come on !13:34
Stskeepsrequest for quotation / request for information13:34
SK_workhum13:34
Stskeepshttp://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/sites/default/files/documents/resources/dancing_with_the_tiger1_4.pdf13:34
SK_workI remember Nokia did a "build your smartphone" campaign13:34
SK_workallowing users to choose what they want from design to specs13:35
Stskeepshow did that go anyhow13:35
SK_workthey did realized it much much later (as the N9)13:35
SK_workthanks for the reading, looks pretty nice13:35
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ggabrielbattery out of stock already :S14:27
tadzik...14:27
tadzikwhy would you have such a small stock that you have to say "beware, the stock will be small"14:27
ggabrieli thought it was a marketing strategy14:27
ggabrielbut clearly not14:27
ggabrielmaybe not worth investing too much atm14:27
lainwir3dbattery of ?14:28
ggabrieljolla14:28
tadzikof stock14:28
* tadzik hides14:28
lainwir3dwait, what ? where ?14:28
ggabriellainwir3d: too late14:28
tbrlol14:28
lainwir3dhehe14:28
lainwir3dshop.jolla.com14:28
lainwir3dnice finding14:28
lainwir3dthough without any external charger it's a bit useless IMO14:29
lainwir3dexcept if you want to replace a broken one14:29
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phaeronchem|st: I just tried with a real sdcard , btrfs, 2 subvolumes , mtp, copied two images there, works fine..14:32
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tbrlainwir3d: it's a standard cell, so any li-poly charger will do, as long as you can limit the CC to something sane like 500mA or 1A14:33
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lainwir3dyeah, but it's quite annoying for non tech people imo14:34
tbrcorrect14:34
lainwir3da ready to use plug / usb charger would be better14:34
tbrbut most non tech people won't want a second battery14:35
lainwir3dwith the exact mechanical size of the jolla battery14:35
lainwir3dtrue14:35
chem|stphaeron: grml... and why does mine not owrk?14:35
ggabrielmost non tech people will ask what a battery is14:35
tbror they will settle for a usb-battery-foo14:35
lainwir3dwell, I really hope 3D printers will become commonplace14:35
lainwir3dit'll make availability of such things easier14:35
lainwir3dstandard format li-poly charger PCB14:36
tbryu14:36
lainwir3dand just a case adapted to a battery format14:36
tbryup14:36
phaeronchem|st: maybe I am misunderstanding what is not working for you. The default subvolume ("jolla" according to your tjc guide) was exported over mtp and I copied stuff there. The images even showed up in gallery immediately14:37
phaeronchem|st: what OS version are you running so I can check the mtp related components. maybe some fixes are there.14:38
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phaeronchem|st: I'll check one more case14:42
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* Morpog_PC__ was fast and got a spare battery :D14:49
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AL13N_workhmm, here's to hoping we get the goal for split apps14:51
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Morpog_PC__hmmm, U10 in this month will be tough, just seen a commit in a update10 branch from yesterday....14:56
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faenilMorpog_PC__: I hope they will at least publish another opt-in14:57
faenilso that we can test it during holidays :)14:57
Morpog_PC__faenil, last plans for opt-ins was only 1week opt-ins14:58
Morpog_PC__so for this year, it would need to be next week opt-in and the week after the u10 update14:58
Morpog_PC__so I guess, not going to happen14:58
faenilthey don't really have to push the update out 1 week after opt-in14:58
faenilthat was just a proposal, afaik :)14:59
Morpog_PC__they told so they would do it like that in the future14:59
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faenilthey could publish the opt-in and then the full update in Jan14:59
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Morpog_PC__well could :D14:59
Morpog_PC__but everybody would opt-in then :D14:59
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Morpog_PC__3 micro distributor kits already15:10
tbrnice!15:11
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lainwir3dat this renewed rate we might make it :o15:18
chem|stphaeron: 1.1.0.39 and the other side is debian-testing15:19
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* tbr uses debian testing and nautilus quite often for mtp and it works reasonably well15:21
chem|sttbr: so there is another issue then?!15:23
Azogis there some statistics for indiegogo?15:23
chem|stcan check when I am at home when you tell me what to do...15:23
tbrif something fails, then it's nautilus and I've had that fail both with my Nexus devices and with the Jolla15:24
chem|stI see the sd listed but it is empty15:24
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tbrah, exporting SD I haven't tried15:24
chem|stmaybe the gvfs is the actual cause15:24
chem|sttbr: phonestorage works more or less15:25
tbr*nod*15:25
chem|stMorpog_PC__: wtf 25eur for a battery?15:25
Morpog_PC__well yep :D15:26
SK_worknoone built a script to parse indigogo's website ?15:26
Morpog_PC__at least shipping was included15:26
chem|stSK_work: what for?15:27
fluxmorpog_pc__, I think someone somewhere(TM) suggested that U10 would not be out before holidays, so I guess it means it will be out next year :/15:27
fluxI mean, not right before holidays15:27
Morpog_PC__yeah I think so too15:27
flux..though it's been the jolla way to release right before weekend ;-)15:27
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SK_workchem|st: parse how the crowdfunding is going for the tablet15:28
Morpog_PC__SK_work, well, I just need my F5 key for that :D15:29
SK_workI like curves15:29
SK_workas I guess that the funding rate has increased a lot15:30
SK_workbut how much compared to initial funding (first few days)15:30
fluxtoo bad there doesn't seem to be any functional indiegogo-curve-plotters, like there are for kickstarter15:31
MivalpuffIt's a little hard to be exact with with all the private pledges :P15:31
fluxI imagine there's a much higher finishing peak for the tablet than there was for the tohkbd :)15:31
Mivalpuffhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-1e-8ujdRqb9_DL9gEGRyLxHWywvzAQJRQ1dhCriak/edit#gid=0 I made this some days ago, but it's only the info and the times aren't too good for stastistics use15:31
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mornfallggabriel: the battery thing is pretty absurd, yeah15:34
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mornfallwell, *everything* is out of stock15:35
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mornfallmaybe jolla should just give us a part id to get from chinese ebay/alibaba sellers15:36
mornfallhm, I guess the split screen goal will be a narrow miss15:36
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fluxmornfall, I'm a bit doubtful if the battery is available publically15:37
mornfallflux: I have heard someone found a fit elsewhere15:37
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fluxsomeone did find models that physically fit15:37
fluxbut they are smaller, both capacity and physical size15:37
fluxI haven't heard of exact matches15:38
mornfallok15:38
ggabriel...or just license the thing?15:38
mornfallit's quite silly though15:38
ggabrielor maybe nobody is interested yet?15:38
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fluxI wonder how big the batch was15:38
fluxI considered buying it, but my jolla is still fine with the original battery15:39
mornfallprobably not a manufacturing run15:39
ggabrielmaybe this exercise proves that jolla can send x batteries in y minutes? :)15:39
ggabriels/send/sell/15:39
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mornfall(well of course jolla could always rig the campaign by buying a couple starter kits themselves :P)15:40
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ggabrielwhy give igg free money? :)15:41
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mornfallggabriel: to get free marketing?15:42
mornfall(so I guess you can cross out “free” from both sides of the equation :P)15:42
ggabrielpublicity you mean15:43
ggabrielbut isn't this enough publicity?15:43
ggabrielanyway, i don't know15:43
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ggabrielthe importnat thing is that i bought my battery15:43
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mornfallwell, spendfing $2000 (which is the 4 % that igg will IIRC get from the remaining $50k) might be worth the publicity of hitting a stretch goal15:43
mornfallmaybe not15:43
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mornfallmarketing people might know more :-)15:44
mornfallggabriel: oh, you did?15:44
ggabrielyup, i like extra batteries, especially after 1yr15:44
mornfallwhat's the shipping on it?15:45
mornfall(I know it's out of stock, just ooc)15:45
mornfallah, “free shipping” for a limited time15:45
mornfallthat might justify the price... maybe15:45
ggabrielmornfall: uk free15:46
ggabrieli have bought cheaper batteries fwiw15:47
mornfallI'm also wondering if a lipoly battery of the same size would get to a higher capacity...15:48
* lainwir3d wants a (non-dangerous) nuclear fusion battery of the same size15:49
ggabrieli want a nuclear phone :P15:49
ggabrielyou'll never be able to catch a plane though15:49
lainwir3dcatch a plane ?15:50
ggabrielwith a nuclear phone15:50
lainwir3dI don't get it15:50
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ggabrielyou won't go past security15:50
mornfalllainwir3d: it'll take ages to get through security with a bomb15:50
mornfall(possible, anyway)15:51
lainwir3doh15:51
lainwir3dhehe15:51
mornfallalthough lithium batteries can be kinda exploded too15:51
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ggabrielyeah, but the lipo bats only break the onwer's thighs15:52
ggabrielthat's accepted ;)15:52
lainwir3dexcept if said thighs are explosive15:52
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Mivalpufflol.. the simple regex that I ran on copypasted data just killed the data and then the data killed notepad++15:54
mornfallhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expanded_lithium-ion_polymer_battery_from_an_Apple_iPhone_3GS.jpg heh15:54
* ilpianista sets the counter to -52.000$15:55
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mornfallilpianista: you'll wind up short over $600 :P15:55
ilpianistayeah! seams so!15:56
ilpianista:-D15:56
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lainwir3d$1,700,22816:18
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SK_work50k to go16:19
SK_workshouldn't be that hard16:19
ggabrielpocket change16:19
daithefluhas someone more info about the tablet cover ?16:20
daitheflu(how you fix it to the tablet, wood available, etc... ?)16:21
chem|stnope16:21
daithefluI won't order one without knowing16:21
daithefludarn16:21
chem|stguesses are like the ipad mini16:21
* ilpianista -49k c'mon!16:21
daithefluchem|st: my Jolla XP tells me not to guess16:22
chem|stilpianista: ~4k/h plenty of time!16:22
ilpianistalast 25minutes we did 3k, and before that 3k in 10 minutes16:22
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ilpianistayes we can!16:22
chem|stdaitheflu: then you should not have bought the tablet in the first place as the hardware is yet to be fixed16:22
* ilpianista run16:23
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SK_workit will be a close finish though16:23
chem|stindeed16:23
mornfallwell16:24
daithefluchem|st: I don't care that much about the tablet hw (except the screen)16:24
ggabrielclose?16:24
ggabrielreally?16:24
ggabriel448%?16:24
mornfallggabriel: close for the 2nd stretch goal16:24
ggabriel:)16:24
chem|stdaitheflu: did you pay for shipping? if you do not care why do you care how the cover attaches?16:24
ggabrieli know, but it sounded too dramatic16:24
daithefluchem|st: I paid for shipping16:24
mornfallthey were slow with adding stretch goals, it's way too high in terms of % pledged16:25
chem|stdaitheflu: if you make up your mind, I am 3 referrals short ;) http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet/x/917909216:25
daithefluchem|st: and I do care about how it's fixed because I don't want to stick it, I want something removeable :)16:25
mornfalldaitheflu: how would removable work?16:25
chem|stdaitheflu: I highly doubt that it will be "glued" to the device16:25
mornfallunless the tablet has builtin magnets or so16:25
mornfallchem|st: I very much expect it to be16:26
chem|stdaitheflu: and you can always return within the first 14 days!16:26
daithefluchem|st: some of Lastu cover/cases are glued16:26
SK_workI guess that it will somehow  be clipped on the tablet16:26
daitheflumornfall: I don't know, not my job to design covers :P16:26
chem|stmornfall: tape or glue? I doubt that, and the last word about TOH is not spoken yet!16:26
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mornfallwell, the lastu cases for jolla phones are glued too16:27
mornfall(only they are glued to the TOH so less of an issue)16:27
chem|stlol16:27
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daithefluas SK_work, I'd expect it to be clipped, so I can replace it if it gets old, broken or whatever16:27
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SK_workit won't be practical to have a glued cover on a tablet16:28
mornfallthat'll only be possible if jolla makes some changes to the design, I suspect16:28
chem|stdaitheflu: you can always return it! but I doubt it will be that cheap later on16:28
lainwir3dhmmm16:28
lainwir3dI too hope it will be removable16:28
lainwir3dI bought it nevertheless, but I'll be quite disappointed if it's not16:28
chem|stmornfall: ? clipped, you have a very bad imagination if you think that you cannot clip something to it in the current design!16:29
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mornfallchem|st: not without it being hideous, no :-)16:29
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daithefluchem|st: yep, but I think I'm going to wait until I'm sure, even if I have to pay more16:29
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daithefluit's just sad because it won't help the igg campaign :( just for a lack of information16:30
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chem|stmornfall: it could actually be as slim as 0.75mm for all I know, for durability I'd make it 1mmm16:30
chem|stdaitheflu: you can return it... or are you outside EU?16:31
chem|stother laws?16:31
lainwir3dactually, I don't think the lastucase will be available after that16:31
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SK_worklainwir3d: why not ?16:31
chem|stlainwir3d: it will cost 75€ after that^^16:31
lainwir3d"This exclusive LastuCase is available only in this Indiegogo campaign for a special price, so get yours now by purchasing the LastuCase for Jolla Tablet Perk for $49 (shipping included)!"16:31
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lainwir3dthat's what's written on the indiegogo page16:31
ggabrielit may be available at a not so special price16:32
ggabrielhaving said that, the cases in the jolla store are all sold out16:32
lainwir3dthat's why I bought it before knowing if it's removable16:32
chem|stlainwir3d: so what "it is only in the igg campaign that cheap" is what I read16:32
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lainwir3doh :-(16:32
daitheflulainwir3d: if there is demand, they will make it available :P16:32
lainwir3dI'm gonna cry if it's available after that and it's not removable16:32
lainwir3d:'(16:32
ggabriellainwir3d: erm, sell it? :P16:32
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daithefluchem|st: are you sure I will be able to return it ? (since it's part of the igg thing ?)16:32
lainwir3dWith the tablet still attached to it ?16:32
lainwir3d:-/16:33
HarhaanJohtajahttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=145126716:33
chem|stdaitheflu: you can return the tablet too16:33
ggabriellainwir3d: i'm sure you can figure that out _before_ you attach it to the tablet?16:33
mornfallchem|st: well, the lastucase for ipad mini is definitely ugly (the plastic attachment mechanism anyway)16:33
lainwir3doh, you think it's not gonna be sent already attached to it ?16:33
chem|stin EU 14 days after you received16:33
mornfallchem|st: and it'll be only worse with the jolla design as it is16:33
mornfallso gluing it to the tablet might be actually less bad16:34
daithefluchem|st: thanks :)16:34
chem|stmornfall: I'd say #together it! Lastucase won't have a finished design yet16:34
ggabriellainwir3d: good question, i doubt they'll come as one item16:34
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mornfallno, the lastucase is shipped from finland, the tablet from HK16:34
chem|stggabriel: one will be shipped from HK one from .fi!16:34
chem|stmornfall: :)16:35
lainwir3doh alright16:35
ggabrieli really don't mind tbh :)16:35
lainwir3dwell I'll sell it then if it's glued16:35
mornfallanyway, it's leather so I don't want it, removable or glued16:35
ggabrielallergic to leather?16:35
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lainwir3dreal leather or made to look like leather not-leather ?16:36
chem|stdaitheflu: I am not happy with the Tablet, can I return it?16:36
chem|stYou may return the tablet delivered to you within 14 days of receiving it.16:36
chem|stis from the igg website16:36
mornfalllainwir3d: it's real leather, based on the description16:36
lainwir3dlike the Parrot ZIK 2.0 headphone16:36
lainwir3dok16:36
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mornfallbut I don't even like how leather looks, so even if it was fake I wouldn't want it...16:36
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mornfallno idea where the obsession with leather comes from16:37
TMavicawho free to help me enable NEWs in my owncloud server?16:37
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daithefluchem|st: they don't precise if you get a refound or not + they don't precise if the same conditions apply for the cover16:40
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daitheflubut I'll assume they will (refound + apply same conditions)16:40
mornfallwell, you can probably resell either of those16:40
chem|stdaitheflu: it is EU law...16:41
mornfallchem|st: EU law doesn't apply in HK16:41
tiwakeI still want a jolla phone here in USA :P16:41
chem|stmornfall: lastucase is still in finland!16:41
mornfallchem|st: true, but you still buy it from a HK company16:41
daithefluchem|st: EU laws are often overstepped (tell Apple that your brand new Mac must have a 2 years warranty ;) )16:42
chem|stbut they are selling specifically to this market what means they have to obey gravity!16:42
mornfalldaitheflu: it has; the same law also says apple has a month to work out your warranty claim16:42
mornfallchem|st: actually, no :-) they can accept returns, but they don't have to if they don't feel like it16:43
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mornfallchem|st: *moreover* since this is indiegogo, they don't even have to ship anything16:43
chem|stdaitheflu: another reason not to buy apple products16:43
mornfallchem|st: you aren't buying a product16:43
daitheflumornfall: last time I checked it hasn't, and they ignore requests16:43
mornfalldaitheflu: sue them, I guess (might depend on a country; I heard in UK they are just obnoxious about it, but they respect the law)16:44
daithefluwell let's resume : it's pretty woolly :)16:44
mornfalldaitheflu: you might also be misunderstanding something -- eg. batteries (and hence, battery replacement) is *not* covered for 2 years under EU law16:45
mornfallonly manufacturing defects are16:45
daitheflumornfall: I'm not talking about batteries :) (which in fact are considered as consummables (not sure about the english word for it)16:46
daithefluI still have a few hours to make my mind16:48
daithefluor for them to answer the questions *hint hint* :D16:48
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chem|stdaitheflu: do, and if you do use my link please ;)16:49
mornfalldaitheflu: well, as I said, I don't expect you'll have much trouble re-selling the tablet and/or the case16:49
daithefluchem|st: if I do I'll use your link :)16:49
MivalpuffNice, less than 50K to go now16:49
mornfalldaitheflu: (it'll probably be less expensive than returning them, because shipping and VAT headaches)16:50
mornfalldaitheflu: (also don't forget about VAT which is *not* included in the price, because HK)16:50
daitheflumornfall: I'll keep the tablet16:50
mornfall(that's another blatant violation of EU regulations btw. :-)16:50
daitheflumornfall: yes :)16:51
daitheflumornfall: and yes again :)16:51
mornfall(makes you wonder how many sloppy readers will be angry when the shipment time comes)16:51
daithefluand maybe some more for the shipping16:52
mornfallyou pay for the shipping now (or at least should)16:52
mornfallalthough there's probably no mechanism that makes sure you do16:53
mornfallso that might be another surprise for some, yes16:53
daitheflumornfall: I did, but, if I remember well, they stated that it was a rough evaluation of the shipping fees16:53
daithefluand that they could ask for more, depending on where you live, etc..16:54
ggabriel20 dorra is a lot for shipping, it should be fine16:54
mornfalldaitheflu: doesn't say anything like that16:55
mornfallyes, $20 is quite overpriced for shipping :-)16:55
mornfallso they should slap on some insurance or so16:55
tiwakewith international insurance and tracking, $20 isnt bad at all16:56
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mornfalltiwake: chinese ebay sellers customarily charge 0 shipping on $50 items (of similar size and/or fragility)16:58
mornfallI guess they aren't paying $20 of that for shipping :-)16:59
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mornfallI wonder if shipping in volume gets you a discount or a surcharge...17:02
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tiwakeor it could be "we need more money, lets charge double for shipping"17:06
tiwakelol17:06
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Nightmare__those bundles ar a really nice strategic move by jolla, increase IGG funding at campaigns endand get more [probably unsaleable] phones under the people17:14
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mornfallwell, they did sell almost 100 phones this way (so far)17:16
* tbr added some 50 buckos by clicking the case17:17
tbrdon't need a third jolla at the moment ;)17:17
mornfallyeah, me neither...17:17
tbrwhen I did campaign was at $1,705,74617:18
tbrso it has the momentum to make it17:18
mornfallyes17:18
mornfallseems possible17:18
Morpog_PC__did blackberry just itch qt5? http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/Native-Development/Qt5-Binary-overlay-qtlab-blackberry-com-didnt-answer/m-p/3026578/highlight/false#M6916917:19
Morpog_PC__ditch17:19
daitheflulaterz !17:20
mornfalldidn't BB go under?17:20
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tbrthey're not doing well, but not under just yet17:21
Morpog_PC__seems theyre stuck with qt4 then17:21
Nightmare__they release a new phone next week - bb classic17:21
mornfallMorpog_PC__: well, it makes about zero sense to run both a qt4 and a qt5 stack on a single device17:21
Morpog_PC__sure, but what about the future?17:21
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mornfallMorpog_PC__: this was just about BB10 though; new phone might be qt5-based17:22
Morpog_PC__BB11 then?17:22
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mornfallwhatev's :-)17:22
mornfallif what Nightmare__ says is true, we'll learn soon enough17:23
mornfall(I'd be more interested in how's Sailfish doing...)17:23
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mornfallhm 450%17:24
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SK_workBB releases nice phones indeed, and nice SW (BB10 has much more features compared to SFOS), but they don't seems to care much about their stack17:28
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SK_workmornfall: Qt 5's additions makes Qt 4 look really old and bad17:28
mornfallSK_work: well, it also seems to be a bit on the memory-hungry side17:29
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Nightmare__the new phone is arunning 10.3 as far as i know17:30
SK_workI would like to have BB10.3 features on SFOS17:30
mornfallSK_work: so maybe they don't want to upgrade to qt5 for that reason; also they might have trouble reaching agreement with digia on something17:30
SK_workmornfall: don't know17:30
SK_workthey contribute to port Qt to QNX17:30
SK_workIIRC there are commits in gerrit17:31
SK_workmeh, only 40k left17:31
SK_workJolla IGG, why u raise so quickly17:31
SK_work:D17:31
mornfallyeah, probably... I'd hope for BB's sake that it's more memory-efficient than Sailfish :-)17:31
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mornfallSK_work: did you place a bet on something? :P17:31
SK_workmornfall: no, I just want some more epic finish17:33
SK_workbut I'm happy that they raise 1k / 15 min17:33
SK_workand now, 40k left17:36
SK_workaka 190 tablets, or 13.6 tablets per hour17:37
suosaaskiI doubt they will make the last 40k...17:37
Nightmare__the company i work for started a crwdfunding campaign yesterday, goal 50k, they reached 585€ :D17:37
mornfallsuosaaski: unless there's a sharp dropoff they will (although there might, considering most of it will be night in Europe)17:37
suosaaskiBut, on the other hand... it would be weird if they did not make the split screen eventually anyway...17:37
SK_worksuosaaski: why ?17:37
SK_workNightmare__: ew :(17:38
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SK_worksuosaaski: yeah17:38
suosaaskiSK_work: it has not been going up that fast lately.17:38
SK_workbetter reaching the goal than not17:38
mornfallsuosaaski: it's going pretty fast last couple of hours17:38
SK_worksuosaaski: well, it's quite fast atm17:38
SK_work~1k/15 min as a rough estimate17:38
suosaaskigoal #3 won't definitely not make it :)17:38
SK_workwe still have tomorrow morning, don't we ?17:38
suosaaski-not17:39
mornfallsuosaaski: of course, $2.5M is out of the question17:39
suosaaskiSo, people started buying that combo with the phone or what happened? Or people just realized it's their last change? :)17:39
tbrchance17:40
Accesomeone took one micro-distributor more today :o17:40
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suosaaskiYes, chance :)17:40
suosaaskichange is a different thing :)17:40
* tbr threw in 50 bucks for the case17:40
mornfallsuosaaski: the phones aren't that big of a boost, it's 101 pieces currently17:41
suosaaskiThe cases cover looks a lot like the one on the ipad mini case. I liked that, a lot sturdier than the way it is on apples own covers.17:42
Azogi think there were a lot of cases sold in the last days17:42
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mornfallthe tablet is still the main driver17:42
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suosaaskiThat's a big order for Lastu :)17:44
suosaaskiI wonder if they'll offer custom engraving for the cases.17:44
Nightmare__at least the have time till may17:44
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SK_workcustom engraving please <317:45
mornfallsuosaaski: well, they put a 3000 cap on the perk, probably for a reason17:45
suosaaskiSK_work: normally they offer it for free on their cases. But that's a lot of cases to customize...17:45
SK_workkimmoli: did you win the referral race ?17:46
SK_workwill you do a "ifixit" like teardown ? :)17:46
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SpeedEvilSK_work: teardowns are unfortunately somewhat irrelevant if you can't purchase parts17:49
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suosaaskiNow... any news on multiuser support?17:51
SK_worksuosaaski: no news17:52
SK_workyou are encouraged to hack though17:52
SK_workbut multiuser on a wayland system sounds bad17:52
SK_workor not ready yet17:52
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suosaaskiYeah... well... hacking + shared family tablet = no-go :)17:52
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M4rtinK_jolla_suosaaski: just get two :)17:53
suosaaskiThat would mean three... so no :)17:53
SK_work:D17:54
suosaaskiThere are tablets that allow me to do this, so I'll have to stick to those for now.17:54
SK_workdamn, funding rate slowed down17:55
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suosaaskiThey would be stupid not to implement split window at all just cause it was missed by a few pennies.17:56
suosaaski:)17:57
SK_workyeah17:57
suosaaskiI believe they are still aiming for the best possible user experience.17:57
SK_workbut better have this target funded17:57
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M4rtinK_jolla_well it does not sound very difficult to do that actually18:03
M4rtinK_jolla_not trivial, sure18:03
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M4rtinK_jolla_but I can think about any outright difficult stuff needed for split screen18:04
suosaaskisplit screen on windows 8.1 works nicely.18:04
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M4rtinK_jolla_especially since you already have real multitasking & active covers18:05
M4rtinK_jolla_well even Apple II could kinda do that :)18:05
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suosaaskiOf course, and xp and whatever. But the one on windows 8 works for touch screen. And works well.18:07
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mornfallSK_work: yeah, it's late in EU and early in US :-)18:15
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japa-fiIs it possible to store custom ring tones in folders other than Music?18:18
japa-fiI hate when I listen to my .mp3 files and the track that I have as ringtone is played.18:18
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japa-fiAlready twice I've unplugged my headset and grabbed my phone to answer it just to realize "It't not ringing! DOH!"18:19
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sebsebsebhi18:21
sebsebsebhi18:21
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sebsebseboh intereitng AL13N is in here18:21
sebsebsebAL13N_work:18:21
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cloantajapa-fi: yes .  usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo18:27
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r0kk3rzjapa-fi: problem is tracker will still find it18:33
japa-ficloanta, thanks18:34
joonahoiåhpriR18:41
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japa-fiwhat is the path for the files that are visible when jolla is mounted as MTP?18:42
* sebsebseb thinks if he wants to get that case or not as well, already bought tablet, about to buy phone18:44
* sebsebseb doesn't realy want to buy stuff made out of leather anymore....18:44
sebsebsebdead cow18:44
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r0kk3rznothing wrong with dead cows18:45
sebsebsebmight make good material,but stil is what it is18:45
japa-ficloanta, nemo@Jolla Sounds]$ mv *Breathe* /usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo/18:46
japa-fimv: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo/2 - Breathe.mp3': Permission denied18:46
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cloantajapa-fi: you need to be root18:47
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japa-fiWhat is the password or is there way to get root without passwd?18:48
tbrdevel-su18:48
tbrand the same password you set in settings ui18:48
kimmoliSK_work: you are on all channels :)18:48
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tbrkimmoli: JOIN ALL THE CHANNELS! ;)18:48
kimmoli /join #* ?18:49
kimmolii have one tablet to tear down (or not yet...)18:49
tbr\o/18:50
kimmolior now reach for 2nd free?18:50
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sebsebsebr0kk3rz: welll for  us  peopel who decided to go vegeteirna we an have issues with that18:51
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: ,but othrwise sure I guess  not  a big deal really for most people18:52
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chem|stkimmoli: I am one short for the lastucase...19:04
kimmolistill hours to go...19:05
AL13Nsebsebseb: if you wanna buy one, you can use my referral link :-)19:05
sebsebsebAL13N: I already bougght the tablet19:05
sebsebsebAL13N: I was about to do the phone as well19:05
sebsebsebI bought tablet weeks ago19:05
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sebsebsebAL13N: I guess I won't be the only one out of our lot at FOSDEM with  a Jolla phone on them probaby then :D19:06
sebsebsebhow come your interested in it?19:06
sebsebsebAL13N: have you bought the case as well?  I am debating it....19:07
sebsebseb,but yeah what I put above19:08
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AL13Ni ordered the tablet and the case too19:11
AL13Nit looks very solid19:11
sebsebsebAL13N: yeah it's probably got, only issue I have if anything though with it, is how it's also made out of dead ow19:12
sebsebsebsince leather19:12
AL13Ni like it because it's a full linux (no slow java emulation like android) and has a decent terminal with all the needed stuff19:12
sebsebsebdead cow above19:12
mornfallsebsebseb: exactly19:12
sebsebsebmornfall: why you put exactly in response to me?19:12
AL13Nprobably the dead cow19:12
sebsebsebAL13N: only thing is Jolla may not be fully open source19:13
mornfallexactly :D19:13
AL13Neveryone who uses btrfs knows that cow is a good thing :-)19:13
sebsebsebor so I have read19:13
sebsebsebGUI stuff may still be propritary for example19:13
AL13Nthere's parts of the UI and some driver blobs for hardware not open source19:13
mornfallsebsebseb: actually both top and the bottom of the stack is closed19:13
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mornfallsebsebseb: it's just the middle bits that are OSS19:13
AL13Nmost of the gui is in qml anyway... so19:13
sebsebsebmornfall: oh19:13
AL13N(for now)19:13
sebsebsebmornfall: so it really is like  IOS in that sense?19:14
sebsebsebyes I did read somethngabout for now to though19:14
mornfallsebsebseb: well, the kernel is Linux, but the drivers are closed19:14
sebsebsebapprantly stuff  would get open sourced later19:14
giucamwell, not all the top is closed19:14
AL13Nthe middle is the big part anyway19:14
sebsebsebAL13N: you getting the phone to or not? :d19:14
sebsebsebAL13N: there's a dicount again, but only until the end of the compain19:14
AL13Nthe UI for the main OS is not that big, considering most apps are open source anyway19:15
AL13Nsebsebseb: i already had the phone since the beginning19:15
AL13Ngood phone19:15
* sebsebseb will find it funny if Orange ring up at the end of Janurary trying to sell me a new contract and phone :d19:15
mornfallgiucam: well, nothing of the top can be currently built/used without the closed UI toolkit bits19:15
sebsebsebAL13N: how did you find out about Jolla?  I went to the tand lat year at FOSDEM an chatted htere a bit19:15
giucammornfall: ok, but i.e. sailfish-browser itself is open source19:15
mornfallgiucam: so while the code for browser and some other stuff is OSS, it can't run on an open stack19:15
sebsebsebI'll be like to Orange, no sorry, I  don't think you even have the phones for sale that I am interested in :d19:16
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sebsebsebOrange/EE well they got bought out by EE19:16
sebsebsebAL13N: hey you want an Ubuntu PHone to :d19:17
AL13Nno19:17
AL13Nsorry19:17
sebsebsebheh heh19:17
sebsebsebyeah you don't iek Cannical if I remember correctly19:17
AL13Nbesides that project was scrapped anyway19:17
mornfallAL13N: not entirely19:17
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sebsebsebthe edge yes, but  they got companies who are going to sell them next year it seems19:17
mornfallit just didn't get crowdfunded19:17
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sebsebsebsell the OS on other phones I Mean19:17
AL13Nthe cool part of jolla phone is that you can actually run android apps on it19:18
AL13Nmornfall: oh19:18
sebsebsebAL13N: yes I read that etc19:18
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sebsebsebdoes that work realy well though?19:18
mornfallsebsebseb: if you solder in another gig of ram, yes :-)19:18
AL13Ni'll admit to not having the android parts installed19:18
AL13Ni just didn't want to, nor needed to19:18
sebsebsebthe Android parts?19:18
AL13Ni will install the android layer on the tablet though19:18
mornfallI suspect android on tablets sucks even more than android on phones...19:19
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AL13Nsebsebseb: anyway, if you want the case/phone, you'll have to hurry19:19
sebsebsebwll I got a cheap Anrodi tablet, it's sort of ok19:19
sebsebsebAL13N: yes it's ony a few more hours I think19:19
sebsebsebfor corwd funding19:19
AL13Nmornfall: the dual apps thing might make it more suitable19:19
sebsebsebI was about to buy though :)19:19
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AL13Nwell, you can buy later, but then it'll cost you more19:20
sebsebsebAL13N: yeah about 8 hours left or something I Think it is19:20
AL13Nand we need your donation for the next stretch goal :-)19:20
mornfallAL13N: or maybe not :-)19:20
sebsebseb,but I am about to buy anyway so :)19:20
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mornfallAL13N: if coupons on the tablet look anything like coupons on the phone, it'll go for less than the first perk level soon enough ;P19:20
sebsebsebAL13N: I was meaning to email my  LUG about it to :d hadn't  before19:20
AL13Nmornfall: they did say that at release time it would be cheaper19:21
sebsebsebAL13N: I gues this is the last chance for that hten this evening soon :d19:21
sebsebsebsomeone there might want....19:21
sebsebseb,but if they don't eread their emails in time, and don't know, oh well19:21
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AL13Ni still want the dual apps thing though19:22
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mornfallAL13N: you have the unique chance to get it at only $25000 :-)19:23
AL13Nhttp://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.fi/2014/10/multi-touch-and-bigger-screens.html19:23
AL13N$2155119:24
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AL13Nsebsebseb: read this blog post19:24
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AL13N167 tablets left, 6833 sold19:26
sebsebsebAL13N: yeah it's aweomse :)19:26
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sebsebsebAL13N: well thre is about to be naother phone sale from me :d19:27
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sebsebsebmaybe some peoel from my LUG will get sometign to  once that email is sent :d19:27
AL13N842 cases left of 300019:27
AL13Nthat's great19:27
sebsebsebAL13N: oh19:28
sebsebsebyeah  wel ok my leather commets, but I guess I''ll get a case to hmm19:28
sebsebsebanyway  soeone else who is vegeterin is always like to me, well  it's just a bi product19:28
sebsebsebnot like your eating it19:28
mornfallerr19:28
AL13Nthis reminds me of my kids19:29
AL13Nmy daughter 5y old19:29
sebsebsebhe thinks makes good material, it does really, but it's just a bit of a shame really what it's actsually made out of19:29
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mornfallsebsebseb: human teeth make a pretty good material too :-)19:31
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AL13Nmornfall: lol19:31
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AL13Nok, gtg, wife needs computer... again19:31
mornfall(although you might make to kill the owners while young before the teeth spoil)19:32
mornfallsebsebseb: on the other hand, a lot of leather (especially fine leather) is a byproduct of milk industry19:32
mornfallso if you eat/use dairy, leather probably isn't any worse19:33
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sebsebsebmornfall: wel I was thinking thatearier kind of19:42
sebsebsebmornfall: some of hte lather may come from  milk giving cow19:42
sebsebsebnot just a meat one19:42
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mornfallsebsebseb: it's actually from the male offspring of milk cows... (which is why it's especially fine)19:42
mornfallsebsebseb: milk cows are processed into animal feed, mostly, I think19:43
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sebsebsebmornfall: the killed male, makes leather, oro waht do you mean?19:43
mornfallsebsebseb: yes, milk cows are obviously often impregnated, and something has to be done with the calves... leather is one such use19:44
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sebsebseboh19:45
sebsebsebmornfall: yeah i THINK I19:45
sebsebsebwell soemoen told me smeting lke that mae atsaully19:46
sebsebsebthat  the milk cows just kee on getting pregnant really19:46
sebsebsebfor more milk19:46
mornfall(your keyboard is really kinda broken :P)19:46
sebsebsebnet book keyboard19:46
sebsebseband was in a bad position19:46
sebsebsebwith the fingers19:46
sebsebsebhence a lot of the typos19:47
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sebsebsebmornfall: hmm intereseting though, your basially saying  using leather is about as bad as using milk19:47
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* sebsebseb likes his milk shakes to much to want to go vegan to. oh and normal pizza with normal cheese is good to for example19:48
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mornfallsebsebseb: yes, basically19:49
mornfallsebsebseb: I really liked cheese and milk and stuff, but despite that, the transition turned out to be very painless... YMMV :)19:49
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sebsebsebmornfall: what does YMMV mean?  and oh your a vegeterian or vegan?19:50
mornfallsebsebseb: your mileage may vary19:51
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mornfallsebsebseb: it's a canned disclamier “my experience may not apply to you”19:51
mornfallsebsebseb: I'm vegan now19:51
sebsebsebright yeah ok I understand yuo now what yu meant :)19:51
sebsebsebmornfall: oh intersing your vegan19:51
sebsebsebso  are you a guy or a girl by the way to?19:51
sebsebsebseems to me it's mainy women that go veggie19:52
sebsebsebmornfall: hmm so no leather for you then?19:52
Accehmm 12 hours to get 1.75 M$19:52
Accelooks like we might make it19:53
* sebsebseb case or not thinks, well it's leather so uhmm19:53
mornfallsebsebseb: I'm a guy, but my wife's vegan too if that helps cosmic balance :-)19:53
sebsebsebwhen I  found out what leather aully was ealrier this year when I bought something19:53
sebsebsebI was ike oh19:53
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sebsebsebso leather is mae out of.....19:53
sebsebsebwell I won't knowingly buy that again19:53
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sebsebsebkind of thing19:53
Azog20k left for split screen19:53
sebsebsebcan get other non leather cases for tablets anyway19:54
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mornfallsebsebseb: no, no leather for me (I obviously didn't throw out leather shoes I bought before becoming vegan, but not buying new stuff)19:54
sebsebsebmornfall: I think I care more about vegeteranism and things ike that,  then  open sorce now days really :d19:54
sebsebsebI mean19:54
mornfallsebsebseb: I really wish lastucase made textile-based cases though19:54
sebsebsebI mean it would be great if more people we4re :)19:55
sebsebsebmost peole just don't careabout that stuff eough19:55
mornfallI also like textile look much more than shiny leather19:55
sebsebsebto even think about what they are realy doing properly19:55
sebsebsebmornfall: yeah bingo Ibought this  wrist rest earlier hts year,  before fiding out  what leater was really made out of19:55
sebsebsebI stilll have it, but I don't really use it as a reuslt19:55
sebsebsebjust sits in a box now19:55
sebsebsebthen I  guess there is som past stuff arond that was leather to of course etc.  oh I atsaully I did uuse this pair of leather shoes a bit earlier that already.  the other month instead of slipers I Mean inside19:56
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sebsebsebmornfall: yep bingo if  already got it, already got it, but if not,  don't buy it I guess, that's what your saying? when it comes to leahter?19:56
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sebsebsebmornfall: what was that cse anyway,  seemed a bit big form what I saw before, it's made out of wood and leahter19:57
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kimmoliiekku: ping, just notifying that some NFC ID's submitted to devcare20:00
sebsebsebmornfall: so why did you go vegan and when, how long you been etc?20:01
sebsebsebyou were vegeterian first or?20:01
mornfallsebsebseb: I've been vegetarian since forever, yes20:02
sebsebsebmornfall: how long?20:03
mornfallsebsebseb: I went vegan couple years back (summer 2012 or so)20:03
sebsebsebmornfall: so you weren't at all tempted by that Jolla case then?20:03
mornfallsebsebseb: 20 years +/- (i.e. basically since I can remember)20:04
sebsebsebof course plastic is made out of old sea creatures really, but that's different :D20:05
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sebsebsebmornfall: why did you go vegan?20:08
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mornfallsebsebseb: (sorry I am engaged in a few other conversations, -> laggy)20:08
sebsebseboh ok20:08
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beidl$15000 remaining...20:19
Tofebeidl: no pressure, eh ? :)20:19
beidlTofe: you don't even know how much I'm freaking out.20:20
falfadamned lodspeaker, i need to smash the jolla in a table once a day to make the speaker work, now i'm getting to worry that the screen takes harm20:20
beidlI mean, I'm sitting on my laptop, with a straight face, so I don't show it, BUT..20:21
* Stskeeps yawns20:21
attahStskeeps: long hours with all that's going on?20:21
beidlStskeeps: kamelåså20:21
Sceltfalfa: same here but I don't smash it. just a little tap. send it to warranty service20:21
Stskeepsattah: just a helsinki visit, i keep long hours20:21
kimmolimeritähti?20:22
attahbeidl: I'm laughing waaay more than is appropriate..20:22
Stskeepsnah, not tonight20:22
Stskeepstomorrow maybe20:22
Stskeeps:P20:22
falfaScelt: yeah, but a tap is not enough :-( I think you're right about the warranty20:22
TofeStskeeps: well, what's good is that if you work "all day long", it's quite short now :p20:22
Ezkodo you happen to need a taxi in the next 8 hours?!20:22
EzkoStskeeps:20:22
Sceltfalfa: my phone is waiting for me to take it to service. replacement phone is a bit of a worry so haven't got myself to take it there yet20:23
Stskeepsno20:23
Stskeeps:P20:23
Ezko:(20:23
beidlattah: there is no such thing as inappropriate jokes, especially if it's about danes :)20:23
falfaScelt: its a 1 year warranty?20:23
beidlI assume that helsinki visit implies champagne bottles being popped20:23
attahStskeeps: None the less i keep finding myself jealous of you guys :)20:23
Sceltfalfa: think so, yet in Finland I think there's two years if it's a fault of manufacturing or similar. the loudspeaker seems to be a pretty common problem20:24
Tofe( beidl: $14000 now, just in case you didn't hit F5 yet )20:24
Morpog_PC__wtf, the amount explded since I refreshed last time20:25
Morpog_PC__the constant twitter spamming seems to work20:25
beidlTofe: I did, just between checking if my external HDD is still connected and looking at the ceiling :D20:25
sharpneliScelt: Yeah. If it's "tyyppivika" (as in, really really common) then it's practically eternal warranty20:25
pp_after "warranty" it can be messy, just try dealing with apple :-)20:26
falfaScelt: i seem to have 5 months or so left :-)20:26
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Sceltsharpneli: tyyppivikahan se selkeesti on20:27
beidlthe $1.500.000 stretch goal should have been a free giraffe20:27
beidl(free as in free speech, not free beer)20:27
Stskeepsdanes kill giraffes20:28
Tofehuh ?20:28
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lainwir3d$1,737,387USD !20:28
Sceltfalfa: good, then just send it in and tell them about all the other faults too (camera lens scratched, sim card reader may be buggy, battery contacts are loose etc. :P )20:28
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beidlStskeeps: I'm somehow starting to believe that you won't accept libhybris patches to link giraffe symbols20:29
StskeepsO_o20:29
lainwir3dgiraffe ?20:29
Tofebeidl: giraffes is already full of patches20:29
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coderusnice contributions increase :)20:30
Stskeeps1,737,436..20:31
falfaScelt: no problem with those :-) I think the device has aged okay compared to other devices i've owned.20:31
falfathe unit often loses contact with the sim card, but i think that is a software problem20:31
beidlTofe: by the looks of their necks, I can see that20:32
Stskeepsfalfa: just ask to have that repaired20:32
falfaStskeeps: okay20:32
Morpog_PC__hmmm http://www.igalia.com/nc/igalia-247/news/item/announcing-webkit-for-wayland/20:32
attah^nice!20:33
Stskeepshttps://01.org/ozone-wayland in that vein, too20:34
TofeMorpog_PC__: what does it mean ? There is already a qtwebkit component, which can be run on wayland eventually, like does Webcat20:35
Morpog_PC__sounds even better20:35
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* beidl always gets reminded of "Dragostea din teï" when he reads "ozone"20:35
Morpog_PC__which is not maintained anymore tofe20:35
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TofeMorpog_PC__: oh, I missed that :(20:36
Morpog_PC__digia switched to qtwebengine20:36
xkr47oh wow, looks like second stretch target is possible!20:36
Morpog_PC__looks like? it's peanuts away now20:36
TofeMorpog_PC__: ah ok ! I thought you meant webcat. Ok, yes, qtwebengine is now the future. But still based on webkit, right20:37
mornfallMorpog_PC__: unless the customer base falls asleep in next 10 minutes, anyway20:37
Morpog_PC__the constant spamming will keep them awake :D20:37
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TofeMorpog_PC__: the value of a peanut can vary a lot, depending if it's a billionnaire speaking or the average artist guy20:38
xkr47Morpog_PC__, yeah.. :)20:38
xkr47lol20:38
* xkr47 wonders if splitscreen would then appear in the jolla phone as well :)20:38
Morpog_PC__sounds totally useless20:38
beidlnot enough space on the screen20:39
xkr47depends on what you do :)20:39
Morpog_PC__maybe on a 5,5" device20:39
xkr47if you want to keep irc open and your bus schedule at the same time20:39
xkr47:)20:39
Stskeepssplitscreen is obviously putting a jolla phone on top of the tablet?20:39
StskeepsP20:39
Tofewell, Stskeeps always tells us we get to keep both pieces if we break our Jolla. Wasn't he talking about that feature ? ;)20:39
Stskeeps:P20:39
xkr47hehe Stskeeps20:39
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Morpog_PC__ah thats the combo perk for, it's the splitscreen feature, lol20:40
beidlduct tape is magic20:40
Tofe"with each tablet, you now get an axe"20:40
Morpog_PC__the deodorant?20:41
beidls/axe/giraffes/20:41
Tofebeidl: not sure a giraffe can split a screen. Properly, I mean.20:42
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Nicd-geraffes are so dumb20:44
beidl"danes kill giraffes" ... "get to keep both pieces" ... this frightens me20:44
Stskeeps<- patrick bateman?20:44
Stskeeps:P20:44
beidlenough giraffes, $10000 remaining!20:44
beidlhaha20:44
beidl"feed me with a giraffe"20:45
lainwir3doh, didn't see another micro distributor starter kit got selected20:46
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chem|stStskeeps: would you mind joining #maemo for a sec, we are out of ops and need s/o banned20:53
Morpog_PC__http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1451267#post145126720:54
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Morpog_PC__damn; it's going even faster now :D21:03
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Morpog_PC__less than 6000 to go21:03
xkr47Morpog_PC__, peanuts just halved in 30 minutes :)21:03
xkr47hehee21:03
Morpog_PC__i like to eat lots of peanus21:03
Morpog_PC__peanuts21:03
xkr47in Finland we have this thing called loppukiri :)21:03
beidlfail21:03
Morpog_PC__without the T it sounds kinda scary21:03
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beidlMorpog_PC__: sounds small21:04
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lainwir3d1,745,721USD21:07
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chem|stdid I just hear penis?21:10
chem|stoh that igg is ticking fast!21:10
Tofechem|st: yes.21:11
HarhaanJohtajawhat sound does it make?21:11
Tofechem|st: you have an highlight on such things on irc?21:11
xkr47$1,746,74521:11
xkr47current speed: $12k per hour21:13
Tofeyes, they'll make it before midnight in .fi21:14
Stskeepsshame you can't go buy beer after 9pm.21:14
Stskeeps:P21:14
xkr47in 15 minutes is my guess :)21:14
xkr47:D21:14
TofeStskeeps: don't tell me you guys don't have an emergency stock?21:14
StskeepsTofe: you probably won't believe me but we're not waiting to hit 1,5 mill and having champagne waiting.. :P21:15
xkr47"break in case of jolla emergency"21:15
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lainwir3dhehehe21:15
* beidl imagines the every jolla office to be full of drnuk pepl...21:15
AL13N_jolla_wow, less than 3k to go!21:15
xkr47in finnish "merihädässä riko lasi"21:16
tbrbreak in case of rough sea ;)21:16
AL13N_jolla_suddenly it goes fast21:16
xkr47it jumps in funny increments21:16
xkr471747072 -> 1747121 -> 174719021:16
* inte_awa` just ordered a LastuCase for his tablet21:17
xkr47are people just contributing randm amounts of money21:17
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inte_awa`want the next perk to become true  :)21:17
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xkr4712 minutes and counting21:17
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AL13N_jolla_i count 49$21:17
intemight work out, hopefully;)21:17
AL13N_jolla_and sometimes 20$21:18
inte12 Minutes? 11hours!21:18
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xkr4712 minutes to $1.75m21:18
xkr47or well, 8 minutes now :)21:19
intemaybe some peoble are adding shipping to their cases;)21:19
AL13N_jolla_8min till wgat?21:19
Teguwget21:19
xkr47stretch target 2 unlock21:19
AL13N_jolla_haha21:19
TofePeople around here *love* ETAs :)21:20
intexkr47 well but i guess might be hard to unlock the stretch target 3 then..21:20
AL13N_jolla_do you have a grpah or something?21:20
xkr47inte, ask Morpog_PC__, he uses "peanuts" as unit of measure :)21:20
xkr47(or she)21:20
inte;)21:21
AL13N_jolla_Tofe: haha, remember the eta eta app idea?21:21
lainwir3dI do love ETA21:21
xkr47AL13N_jolla_, no, normally I would have, but now I'm not sitting comfortably so only ascii reporting :)21:21
AL13N_jolla_heh21:21
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xkr476 minutes and counting21:21
AL13N_jolla_1395$21:22
sebsebsebxkr47: to what?21:22
xkr47someone could blow the bank with a micro-distibutor starterkit now :)21:22
xkr47sebsebseb, 23:19:41 < xkr47> stretch target 2 unlock21:22
AL13N_jolla_who is betting?21:22
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TofeAL13N_jolla_: yeah, didn't touch it for a while21:23
attahThis ETA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA21:23
xkr475 minutes and counting21:23
AL13N_jolla_i say 22:3221:23
xkr4722:2921:23
Tofe22:2821:23
AL13N_jolla_lets see who wins21:23
lainwir3dalright21:23
lainwir3dI'm buying the micro distributor21:23
xkr47in CET then21:24
* Morpog_PC__ is a he :D21:24
sebsebsebright wlel I am about to do the tablet perk  to get phone21:24
AL13N_jolla_lol21:24
sebsebsebI mean the one whre already got tablet21:24
sebsebseb,but want phone to21:24
Tofewaitwaitwait, can you do that at 22:28 please ? :D21:24
sebsebseblet's do this now,  a girl wil want to ring me back in a bit probably :D21:24
lainwir3dif you manage to get the timing right, you might be the one to get the "2nd stretch goal"21:24
AL13N_jolla_1141$21:25
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beidlI drank my beer before hitting 1.75 million21:25
beidlI'm a bad person21:25
AL13N_jolla_lol21:25
xkr47waaa it's slowing down21:25
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Tofexkr47: "Don't Panic".21:25
xkr474 minutes and countng21:25
sebsebsebAL13N_jolla_: see #mageia :D21:25
intei would be happy to get tje split screen21:25
AL13N_jolla_1092$21:25
sebsebsebAL13N_jolla_: heh heh21:25
HarhaanJohtajahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feW2vTUJffI21:26
intewould be nice to have21:26
intehopefully it will work out21:26
lainwir3dbeidl: take a second one21:26
beidl321:26
beidl221:26
Morpog_PC__605$21:26
Stskeeps174939521:26
beidl1 and a half21:26
xkr473 minutes and counting21:26
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beidllainwir3d: I will21:26
beidlI have to21:26
lainwir3d:)21:26
Teguit approaches the goal asymptotically21:27
Morpog_PC__someone needs to pldge :D21:27
Tegubut never reaches it21:27
TofeTegu: no, it's your Refresh rate that increases :p21:27
xkr47Tegu, "0.1 seconds and counting" :)21:27
lainwir3dhehehe21:27
sebsebsebAL13N_jolla_: actsully you are hte one I Know yeah?21:27
AL13N_jolla_still 60521:27
Tofeah, c'mon!21:27
xkr47people keep refreshing the page so hard nobody can pledge anymore!! come on people, stop refreshing!! *refresh*21:27
intethey still have 11 hours21:27
AL13N_jolla_sebsebseb: of course21:28
intehopefully they will make it21:28
Morpog_PC__lets aim for 2,5 millions :D21:28
lainwir3d:P21:28
lainwir3dhehehe21:28
AL13N_jolla_xkr47: :)21:28
AL13N_jolla_55621:28
xkr472 minutes and counting21:28
beidl55621:28
tbrquick, someone needs to pledge USD 2.25M ;)21:28
tbreerrrr21:29
Morpog_PC__:D21:29
TofeI lost my bet :'( good luck guys21:29
tbr750k21:29
lainwir3ddamn21:29
lainwir3dyou're bluffing21:29
Stskeeps749,444 here..21:29
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TofeDone !21:29
lainwir3dDING !21:29
beidl!!!!!21:29
Merbotbeidl: Error: "!!!!" is not a valid command.21:29
lainwir3d$1,750,211USD21:29
Morpog_PC__DONE21:29
xkr4722:29 !!!!21:29
minimecAmazing....21:29
xkr47I WIN !!!!21:29
beidl\o/21:29
AL13N_jolla_he means extra 750k needed for 3rd goal21:29
Morpog_PC__wohoooooooo21:29
lainwir3dhehehe21:29
lainwir3dthat's nice21:29
beidl*golfclap*21:30
xkr47what do I get for winning? :D21:30
lainwir3dI wouldn't have bet on that one week ago21:30
Nightmare__lainwir3d: me221:30
AL13N_jolla_damn, the combo did it21:30
lainwir3dyeah21:30
lainwir3di guess so21:30
beidlxkr47: the jolla you funded ofc21:30
Tofexkr47: please help yourself with a Lapin Kulta21:30
inteamazing!21:30
lainwir3dand people thinking "oh i will do that but later"21:30
sebsebsebTofe: the case? you mean?21:31
Tofesebsebseb: that's a beer :)21:31
lainwir3dthe combo "only" did $4651121:31
beidlready to get drunk21:31
intebut jolla failed to update: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#description21:31
AL13N_jolla_lol21:31
lainwir3dmicro distrib $1400021:31
AL13N_jolla_they cant do that in just a minute21:32
Stskeepsinte: probably comms guys in progress to do that21:32
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inte:)21:32
AL13N_jolla_lainwir3d: i meant the last jump21:32
xkr47Tofe, :)21:32
intenot too serious;)21:32
Nightmare__who's gonna pledge the other 750 k$?21:33
Nightmare__:)21:34
lainwir3dthey're too drunk to update it21:34
xkr47:D21:34
gogetai just wanna say $20 is enough for shipping 2 tab + cover ?21:34
lainwir3dlet's hope they're drunk enough to lower the next pledge21:34
lainwir3dand leaks some info21:34
beidlplot twist: mark shuttleworth funds the money for stretch goal 321:34
lainwir3dhehe21:34
xkr47accidentally lower stretch target 3 to $199999921:34
lainwir3dthat would be awesome21:34
Morpog_PC__ok, next goals here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects21:34
lainwir3dbut my jolla would feel tainted21:35
Morpog_PC__we are only place 40 atm :D21:35
inteI really like the case21:35
Morpog_PC__Place 39 should be doable21:35
intedont know when they added it21:35
lainwir3dUbuntu edge : " It had the highest target of any crowdfunded project to date, $32,000,000 over a one-month campaign."21:35
gogetaI buyed 2 tabs so ...21:35
gogetaand I was also a first oners21:36
lainwir3dyeah alright canonical.21:36
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SK_Sailfish\o/21:36
intejust saw it now and instantly bought one21:36
gogetahi SK_Sailfish21:36
gogetaSK_Sailfish, no one knows jolla in aerospace industry21:36
xkr47175158021:36
gogetasuch shame21:36
SK_SailfishI guess I'm late at the party21:36
gogetayep21:36
SK_Sailfishgogeta: not a surprise, but not a problem atm21:37
beidlSK_Sailfish: mere minutes :)21:37
gogetaSK_Sailfish, the wow effect21:37
SK_Sailfishit was fast ... who said that europe was asleep ?21:37
gogetaneed an external dvd reader for hp blade machine21:37
gogetaiso application a tataaaa21:37
gogetainstall rhel without reader ... just a jolla phone21:38
gogeta:-D21:38
beidlgogeta: tried ISODrive from openrepos?21:38
gogetawith success21:38
beidlgogeta: glad to hear that :)21:38
gogetaI needed to put usb mode to charge only but the blade machine installed rhel like a sharm21:39
gogetai think throughput is not enough ...21:39
beidlyeah I should force charge only mode when enabling an iso21:39
gogetabut for minimal install .... the rest via RH repos21:39
gogetabeidl, the desiderata create the menu for usbd21:40
gogetatodays was the jolla pride day21:40
gogetai was in the middle of nowhere just with 2g and 4g21:40
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beidlgogeta: still, my app should do it automatically instead :)21:40
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gogetadidn't see the code neither the qml if any21:41
gogetaI forsee the problem last night21:41
xkr47at current (past-1.75m) speed the end sum will be around $185000021:41
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lainwir3dsplit screen... so nice !21:42
lainwir3dI hope they can do something with the last $10000021:43
lainwir3d(except buy more champagne)21:43
xkr47lol21:43
Nightmare__https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/brewie-world-s-first-fully-automated-home-brewery/x/918829121:44
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Nightmare__would be perfect as a TOH :D21:44
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beidlthe office is probably full of hookers right now... which means they'll desparately need the stretch goal 3 to be unlocked21:44
xkr47Nightmare__ :D21:44
lainwir3dNightmare__: hehe awesome21:44
Aardbeidl: you mean so we're able to afford the coke to do off the hookers?21:45
AL13N_jolla_haha, like RIOT!21:45
lainwir3dI would prefer an automated spirit still though21:45
beidlAard: of course21:45
Stskeepsthe lights were off in the office when i went.. :P21:45
AL13N_jolla_be careful of a CEO running naked through the office21:45
lainwir3dhehehe21:46
beidl"I accidentially stepped on someones face"21:46
Nightmare__running? crawling.... :)21:46
Stskeepstime for you people to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0lrIi0ce5E21:46
gogetamore 70 dollars by me21:46
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gogetahi Stskeeps21:46
AL13N_jolla_you guys didnt see the RIOT ON! docu?21:47
xkr47Nightmare__, a projectortoh would be nice :)21:47
StskeepsAL13N_jolla_: it's been watched 4-5 times during jolla time, yes..21:47
lainwir3dwell, the fun is over, good night everyone21:47
Stskeeps^^ that docu is at the youtube link above21:47
xkr47good night all21:47
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: thx for the link21:47
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xkr47thanks for making it a fun ride21:47
gogetaNightmare__, brewing beer is not fun if is all automated21:48
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: so... how much is true for jolla :)21:48
StskeepsAL13N_jolla_: we're boring.21:48
Stskeeps:P21:48
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Morpog_PC__haha, just read on twitter: If jolla adds a jolla phone battery perk, then the 3rd goal will be reached in no time :D21:49
AardAL13N_jolla_: I never snorted coke off Stskeeps bodyparts. really.21:49
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: boring is good21:49
chem|stTofe: penis? sure!21:49
beidlAard: We would believe you if you just said "it was an accident"21:49
Aardit never happened.21:49
xkr47Morpog_PC__, good one, and I would get one :)21:49
Morpog_PC__got one in Jolla shop firesale already :D21:50
bjornIs everybody here aware of the Indie project fundraiser? https://ind.ie/21:50
xkr47Morpog_PC__, https://together.jolla.com/question/69955/official-announcement-batteries-available-tuesday-9th-of-december-2014-1200-utc/21:50
bjornI think it would be a nice match for Jolla.21:50
keithzgxkr47: surely you mean ProjecTOH ;)21:50
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: didnt jolla have a dancer when the first one happened?21:50
xkr47keithzg !! yes definately :)21:50
StskeepsAL13N_jolla_: only dancer i know of is lbt?21:51
Stskeeps:P21:51
gogetaStskeeps, any photos ?21:51
Nightmare__nice docu, i like the intro :D21:51
Morpog_PC__xkr47, as I said, I got one ;)21:51
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lbt:)21:51
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: the videos of that day with DNA popup shop?21:51
StskeepsAL13N_jolla_: .. i don't know21:52
beidl"no sex person". and we in austria have conchita wurst...21:52
AL13N_jolla_what? you were there!21:52
Stskeepsfairly sure i wasn't, anyhow, find it for me :P21:52
Stskeepsoh, the launch day?21:52
AL13N_jolla_yes21:52
lbtwe had dancers on the launch day21:52
Stskeepstrue21:52
AL13N_jolla_not naked though21:53
lbtnah - street style21:53
Stskeepsi wasn't actually demoing that evening, i was busy drinking upstairs, i just saw videos afterwards :P21:53
xkr47Morpog_PC__ lucky21:53
AL13N_jolla_that's about the only part that matches21:53
* lbt was demoing21:53
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xkr47why is it so hard to make those batteries21:53
* Morpog_PC__ was watching the livestream21:53
xkr47they should team up with Tesla :D21:54
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Nightmare__they can buy a battery fab in leibzig, it was bandoned by mercedes a few days ago21:54
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xkr47perhaps with the last $100k they'll be getting :)21:56
AL13N_jolla_haha... that halme... so funny: brilliant man, but i never understand anything he said21:57
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AL13N_jolla_hmm... is everone re-watching riot or something?22:05
Stskeepspretty much22:05
* AL13N_jolla_ too22:05
AL13N_jolla_its so funny22:06
Stskeepswe don't have mormon priests in the company, afaik22:06
AL13N_jolla_lol22:06
gogetaahahah22:06
AL13N_jolla_and no pornstar?22:06
Stskeepswe aren't allowed to ask such things in interviews.22:06
Stskeeps:P22:06
AL13N_jolla_how about hiring family?22:06
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AL13N_jolla_lol22:06
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beidlis my python script to calculate the awesomeness of giraffes also going to be valued in the billion dollar range?22:07
AL13N_jolla_lol22:08
AL13N_jolla_only the concept22:08
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beidltakes several million man years to implement I guess22:09
AL13N_jolla_lol22:11
Tofebeidl: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20617348/calling-a-function-from-another-file-in-python <-- is that you here ?22:12
AL13N_jolla_heh xmen movies22:12
* petteri1 gets jolla phone tomorrow :)22:12
beidlTofe: I'd love to get to know this man ahaha22:13
beidlone does not simply import giraffes22:13
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AL13N_jolla_lol riot-speed22:15
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ryukafalz\o/ split screen sailfish!22:17
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AL13N_jolla_lol the coders lived in the sauna22:18
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inteDamned this battery thing is anoying22:18
intei would have bought one, probably22:18
inteif i had knewn...22:19
inteKnown22:19
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beidlhaha not only live there...22:21
beidlportimot, lets see if that one is on pirate bay22:21
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beidlMOOOOM!? do finns really drink completely nuuuuude?!22:26
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falfaonly when armed22:31
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Morpog_PC__17000 overshoot already22:43
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AL13N_jolla_beidl: i wonderef that too22:47
Stskeepswhen in sauna?22:47
Stskeeps:P22:47
AL13N_jolla_heh... no in the bars...?22:51
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inteTalking about ISODrive22:54
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inteDoesnt work for me :(22:54
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mornfallbeidl: well, pirate bay is probably no more22:58
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beidlmornfall: I read up on it, mere hours before I wanted to download some fine finnish... movies23:00
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SpeedEvilmornfall: now for 3m!23:01
SpeedEvilmornfall:23:01
SpeedEvilMorpog_PC__:23:01
mornfallSpeedEvil: no way23:01
SpeedEvilalas23:02
SpeedEvilThe page is somewhat ambiguous.23:02
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SpeedEvilIf the perk is not hit - will the 3G still be available - but in some months - on existing hw?23:02
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chem|stlol23:18
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mornfallSpeedEvil: doesn't seem very likely23:27
SpeedEvilDepends on stuff.23:28
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SpeedEvilIf the reference design in use contains support, and adding that support hardware would cost $5, it's probably worth it.23:31
SpeedEvilSimply as >90% of people who can use it will - for $30 fee say.23:31
SpeedEvil(proper market research of course...)23:31
mornfallSpeedEvil: it's probably going to be more like $10023:33
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mornfallSpeedEvil: “If we reach $2.5M, you can upgrade your WiFi only Jolla Tablet to 3.5G+WiFi for a mere $30! With most tablets on the market, similar upgrade costs at least $100.”23:33
ryukafalzI probably wouldn't want it personally, especially if it's similar to phones where the baseband processor has full control over the main processor23:34
SpeedEvilyeah - but you absolutely can't do that with most tablets on the market after you've purchased them23:34
mornfallSpeedEvil: also, $5 doesn't sound like much, but it is a lot if your profit on the device is $2023:34
SpeedEvilmornfall: indeed - however, $5 invested for $25 proftit (or more) later...23:35
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mornfallSpeedEvil: a cheap 3G module is $35, if you can get all the stuff around it into the discount you might get on those $35, to turn in a $25 profit that's $60 pre-taxes and without shipping for the upgrade23:39
chem|sthave just seen a ASUS T100, apart of ram the same specs, some more ports and 80eur more expensive23:39
SpeedEvilMeh. I guess we'll know soon.23:40
mornfallSpeedEvil: overall, I don't think it's realistic... maybe on a tablet version 223:40
chem|stmornfall: who needs 3G on a tablet? seriously what for?23:41
SpeedEvilSome processors are upcoming that might be just in time for this that do have integrated 3G23:41
SpeedEvilIf it's a 3G module - then yes - that has extra costs.23:41
mornfallSpeedEvil: the SoC is already decided23:41
SpeedEvilmornfall: yes. I don't know which one it is though.23:42
mornfallSpeedEvil: and of course, after-sale upgrades of the SoC are completely unrealistic :-)23:42
SpeedEvilLies!23:42
* SpeedEvil has a hot-air station.23:42
SpeedEvil(but yes)23:42
chem|stthe hardware is actually pretty neat, for $20023:42
SpeedEvilIf it actually requires all the bits - a 'proper' 3G module - then no - it's not going to happen.23:43
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mornfallchem|st: there's plenty uses for 3G on a tablet... it makes a much better map than a phone, for one23:43
mornfallchem|st: and since non-A GPS is going to be very painful and there are no offline maps... well :)23:43
chem|stmornfall: ah you got a phone, just tether!23:43
SpeedEvilFor me, I'd like it for those spots in the garden I don't have wifi23:43
SpeedEvilAnd occasional calls.23:44
chem|stok thats valid23:44
chem|styou want a phablet...23:44
mornfallchem|st: tethering is a battery killer, so I'd better also carry a battery pack then23:44
SpeedEvilAlso tethering raises another attack surface23:45
chem|stmornfall: where you use your tablet a charger is not far away23:45
ryukafalznot necessarily23:46
chem|stwhat you guys are doing is moaning on pretty high standards23:46
SpeedEvilchem|st: I think we all know that.23:46
mornfallchem|st: no, you are saying that 3G is useless23:46
mornfallI just contest that23:46
chem|stI say you are highly overrating it, not that it is useless23:46
mornfallI would'nt pay $100 extra for a 3G tablet of course23:46
mornfallpossibly not even $3023:46
SpeedEvilFor me, I'd have little need for the phone, if I had a tablet with 3g23:46
chem|stlol23:46
mornfallbut it's still a nice feature23:47
chem|stmornfall: you want 3g for free, buy a kindle23:47
ryukafalzSpeedEvil: Fair enough, a tablet with 3G would make a decent phone23:47
mornfallchem|st: no, learn to read23:47
SpeedEvilEven if it's bad at calls, I make so few calls that it's enough.23:47
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ryukafalzreally need multipath tcp else switching between 3G and wifi so often gets annoying23:48
chem|stmornfall: you get more than just downloading books with the 3g of a kindle23:48
chem|stryukafalz: you have at least your tablet you can charge your phone from...23:49
chem|stand you can have 3g, as we have OTG you can have anything within 100mA@5V23:50
mornfall(otg doesn't automatically mean that anything you plug in will be properly supported by the software though)23:50
mornfall(of course, you can probably hack it in with some skill)23:51
chem|stmornfall: we are in a linux enviroment, I just expect you to buy linux compatible hardware only23:51
ryukafalzSailfish being mostly stock Linux helps23:51
chem|stall usbdevices I have work down to raspi23:52
ryukafalzalso does the jolla tablet have usb host support?23:52
ryukafalznvm, got it, it was text in an image23:53
mornfallryukafalz: that's what OTG means yes23:53
chem|stryukafalz: what do you mean? we have USB-OTG23:53
ryukafalzthat's what I meant, yeah - I searched OTG on the indiegogo page but didn't find anything heh23:54
SpeedEvilchem|st: ~0 3G things are like that23:54
SpeedEvilWell - other than phones23:54
chem|stSpeedEvil: the stick my grandma had was 125mA23:54
SpeedEvilFor 3g?23:55
chem|stand it worked OOTB23:55
chem|styes, I had to deactivate the PIN request on a windows and after that it was plug and play23:55
ryukafalzI think this will actually be my first mobile device with OTG support. Need to get myself some adapters.23:55
chem|stwas limited to 7Mbit iirc23:56
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chem|stmight be that it was the idle consumption23:56
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chem|stbut I was used to those getting warm and all and that one didn't23:57
SpeedEvilInteresign23:57
chem|stthree branded huawei I think23:57
chem|stSpeedEvil: what part is interesting, that it actually worked or the powerconsumption23:58
SpeedEvilchem|st: both23:58
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SpeedEvilIf the 125mA is real23:58
chem|stI have all kind of connectivity things here that just work.. bgn adaptors a BT100m adaptor (that gets hot!)23:59

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