phlixi | talking about games, i might do another two or three rounds heroes of the storm... | 00:00 |
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phlixi | cya :-) | 00:00 |
salyavin | I bet you can run Android Skype on Jolla | 00:00 |
phlixi | that might work, never tried... on the other hand, its convinient, to have a device where i do not care that the batterie is empty after 4hours gaming | 00:01 |
salyavin | true | 00:03 |
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coderus | shazam/soundhound working for anyone? | 09:24 |
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arkkipiiska | damn, what's the trick in getting mobile data to work in FI / Saunalahti? I had to reset the phone and I remember the same thing from first use but cannot remembe what was the fix ... | 09:48 |
ln- | i didn't need any trick | 09:49 |
mdxth | arkkipiiska, I have Saunalahti but did not need any tricks | 09:49 |
temmi_hoo | saunalagi has interesting way to solve problems | 09:52 |
temmi_hoo | my home is 1600m from the nearest mast and there a valley between us, so only air and some trees are in the way | 09:53 |
temmi_hoo | now, the reception is really super ultra poor | 09:53 |
arkkipiiska | in the meny i can "check" BT & Wlan but the mobile data is dim | 09:53 |
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arkkipiiska | nuthin happns when I try to turn it on | 09:54 |
mdxth | arkkipiiska, what is in mobile network | 09:54 |
mdxth | arkkipiiska, system -> mobile network | 09:54 |
arkkipiiska | auto settings I think, now the next update is installing so I'm gonna have to wait for a while | 09:54 |
Waitee | lol that nick :D | 09:55 |
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temmi_hoo | sonera works beautifully from the mast 2400m away | 09:56 |
temmi_hoo | elisalagi seem to think that the situation is completely okay and normal and there's nothing they want to do | 09:56 |
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Nightmare__ | coderus: Soundhound works for me, 1.1.0.39 | 09:59 |
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Nightmare__ | http://www.cnet.com/news/no-surprises-at-ces-says-samsung-tv-boss/ | 10:04 |
Nightmare__ | Samsung: Expect Tizen TV at CES | 10:04 |
Stskeeps | heh | 10:05 |
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arkkipiiska | in the mobile networks menu I have "Internet" Disabled and I cannot enable it... | 10:11 |
arkkipiiska | tried network selection both manually and automatically to no avail | 10:11 |
stephg | arkkipiiska: which version of sfos and are the APN settings correct? | 10:12 |
stephg | (I ask about the version as the DB got better in later releases AFAIU) | 10:12 |
arkkipiiska | Uitukka now, 1.1.0.39 | 10:14 |
arkkipiiska | Saunalahti just says that enable the internet from the menu to get mobile data working | 10:14 |
arkkipiiska | there's nothing in the settings | 10:15 |
temmi_hoo | apn name: internet | 10:15 |
temmi_hoo | no account name nor password | 10:15 |
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temmi_hoo | the whole idea of separate access points is ultraoutdated weird and broken | 10:16 |
mdxth | I have apn internet.saunalahti.fi | 10:16 |
temmi_hoo | if you want another data operator, you put in another sim card | 10:16 |
zutto | arkkipiiska: i had a similar problem, i dont have 4g contract with saunalahti, so all i had to do was to make jolla prefer the 3g and it started working | 10:16 |
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temmi_hoo | at least elisa/saunalahti and soneta/telefinland use "internet" as a valid apn name | 10:17 |
temmi_hoo | dunno about dna but last time i checked they sucked in coverage in some places important to me | 10:17 |
arkkipiiska | now it's at least trying to connect but "problem with the cnnection" | 10:17 |
krkunkastaja | http://wiki.androidsuomi.fi/Suomalaisten_operaattoreiden_APN_asetukset | 10:18 |
arkkipiiska | tried both internet.saunalahti.fi and internet, connection name is | 10:18 |
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mdxth | arkkipiiska, sorry, I have internet.saunalahti not with .fi | 10:18 |
arkkipiiska | ok, just figured out. that was the trick, now it's working, thanks :) | 10:19 |
temmi_hoo | good | 10:20 |
temmi_hoo | now, it would be easier if everyone used the same string so when changing sim cards it would just work | 10:21 |
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temmi_hoo | even better would be if the data would just flow without apn names of any stupid €%(&% sucky design like that but that's what you get from design by committee of enemies | 10:21 |
attah | temmi_hoo: the apn is supposed to be stored on the sim... | 10:21 |
arkkipiiska | hmmh, perhaps I could ask Saunalahti to add this into their website... They had just "enable internet" | 10:22 |
temmi_hoo | arkkipiiska: they used to have supergood library of settings for different systems | 10:22 |
krkunkastaja | sonera has two different apn .. first gives you ip behind nat and the other gives public ip.. | 10:22 |
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temmi_hoo | and then the generic settings for the cases you're not using any of the favourite toys | 10:23 |
temmi_hoo | krkunkastaja: oh, i gotta see | 10:23 |
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temmi_hoo | what you linked does not indicate | 10:24 |
attah | ..and some companies have the operator set up a special apn that goes straight to their intranet | 10:24 |
krkunkastaja | temmi_hoo, and dna block almost every port in their "apn system" there are only few ports you can use if you want to do example mobile based ip cam surveillance system... | 10:24 |
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temmi_hoo | attah: in those cases the whole setup from sim card is very different and the network knows the device and can route anything anywhere even if the apn thing was never invented | 10:27 |
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attah | temmi_hoo: fair enough.. i guess the HLR/HSS/.. could know.. | 10:28 |
temmi_hoo | now since 2006 everybody in their right minds have done these cool things with mpls and most of the telco weirdness is just leftovers from previous decades of committee design | 10:28 |
temmi_hoo | attah: yes, they know and then they inform the other parts of network that this does not belong to usual traffic | 10:28 |
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temmi_hoo | since 2006 the core carriers and end user isps and everybody have implemented their network basic level as mpls, which is a form of ethernet and thus underlines how open technologies eventually will win over | 10:30 |
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attah | yep :) that way effort can be spent where it really matters instead of reinventing the wheel each time | 10:33 |
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temmi_hoo | that's why my iot platform effort is using coap and mostly focusing on protocols which have an rfc or draft of | 10:36 |
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temmi_hoo | mpls is pretty cool though | 10:38 |
temmi_hoo | better than anything seen before so that the telcos are using mpls to implement atm service for those customers that still want atm connectivity for some reason | 10:39 |
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attah | we all know ethernet is a consumer technology and cannot be trusted ;) | 10:40 |
temmi_hoo | right | 10:41 |
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temmi_hoo | much as the tcp/ip is just a volunteer effort and True Networks run on SNA and then the runner ups might use OSI if they really really want to bother with nonprofessional solutions | 10:42 |
attah | hehe | 10:43 |
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attah | temmi_hoo: I'll just leave this here while i go away for a bit... https://together.jolla.com/question/23197/umts-and-other-connection-optimizations/ I figure it might be of interest | 10:47 |
temmi_hoo | i remember when sonera went nearly under after having bought umts licences from all over the world with hard money and then had to actually implement the networks and that cost a fortune and then the customers were not interested (yet) | 10:48 |
temmi_hoo | well, there were not a whole lotta smart phones then | 10:48 |
temmi_hoo | mostly n770 and the communisticator | 10:48 |
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r0kk3rz | woo multi-version support in harbour | 11:16 |
r0kk3rz | my guess is that was another roadblock for u10 release | 11:16 |
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temmi_hoo | different versions of applications for different versions of sailfishos? | 11:20 |
r0kk3rz | yeah basically | 11:20 |
r0kk3rz | or allowing you to say "this will only work on versions greater than X.Y.X" | 11:21 |
r0kk3rz | which is kinda a must have with the qt 5.2 upgrade | 11:21 |
temmi_hoo | yes but the wholesome experience if better if there is a version support matrix | 11:21 |
r0kk3rz | thats up to developers | 11:22 |
temmi_hoo | so that of an app you could have older versions available for older os versions if you want to support that sort of thing | 11:22 |
r0kk3rz | yeah, they havent released it yet, but im sure they will allow such a thing in the future | 11:23 |
attah | does anyone know what libraries we can expect to be ok'd for harbour in U10? | 11:23 |
r0kk3rz | but at current there is no excuse for not running the latest sailfishos | 11:23 |
r0kk3rz | its not like theres a lot of device fragmentation yet | 11:23 |
r0kk3rz | attah: there is a short list somewhere | 11:24 |
r0kk3rz | but with multi-version support I can see them adding more and more to that list as time goes on | 11:25 |
attah | r0kk3rz: any idea on where? | 11:26 |
r0kk3rz | i'll see if i can find the mailing list item | 11:26 |
attah | :D | 11:26 |
r0kk3rz | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-December/005385.html << thats the one about the store upgrade tomorrow | 11:27 |
attah | nice.. but still no qtdocgallery :( | 11:31 |
r0kk3rz | yeah there wasnt much in it | 11:31 |
r0kk3rz | but its something | 11:31 |
r0kk3rz | have to wait and see when u10 is released really | 11:32 |
attah | yep | 11:32 |
r0kk3rz | but until then, theres always openrepos | 11:32 |
attah | i saw some commits to qtdocgallery by jolla ppl fixing a couple of the bugs.. so it *should* be getting close to ok | 11:33 |
attah | qt creator is borked for OS X 10.6 anyway.. so I guess I won't be doing any development in the near future anyway :( | 11:35 |
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r0kk3rz | attah: vm in a vm? | 11:42 |
temmi_hoo | 10.6 sounds like not too much ram to spare anyhow | 11:45 |
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coderus | Nightmare__: hm, for me seems none of android apps can access microphone | 11:53 |
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attah | r0kk3rz: nah.. 10.6 is the windows 7 of OS X so dropping it is pretty bad :( | 11:57 |
r0kk3rz | yeah thats fine | 11:57 |
attah | temmi_hoo: true that.. i have all of 2 gb | 11:57 |
r0kk3rz | but run something in a vbox vm that you can install the sdk on | 11:57 |
attah | GB | 11:57 |
attah | or i'll just un-retire my 2007 thinkpad.. it has about the same performance | 11:58 |
r0kk3rz | or that | 11:58 |
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attah | sans ssd | 11:58 |
r0kk3rz | cant bootcamp something on the macbook? | 11:59 |
attah | not on the 64GB air.. for obvious reasons | 11:59 |
attah | but i'm going for the mad-hacker solution and building my own libcxx | 12:01 |
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Yaniel | what could possibly go wrong | 12:05 |
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attah | more than i care to think about at the moment :) | 12:07 |
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cryorat | attah get a bigger ssd.for.it then :) | 12:08 |
attah | i'm not *that* fond of it.. it'll get replaced some time next year | 12:11 |
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attah | and their proprietary ssds aren't all that easy to come by.. so although it is possible, it's not cheap | 12:11 |
r0kk3rz | yeah my last laptop was an air-alike, too many compromises for the thickness i think | 12:14 |
r0kk3rz | went for something a bit thicker, but with more standard insides this time around | 12:14 |
attah | r0kk3rz: if i had gone for the reasonable-spec one instead (i was a student at the time) it would have been more than ok | 12:15 |
attah | so i guess i'm saying i could very well get another | 12:16 |
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coderus | android microphone issues caused by callrecorder. after recording a call android apps can't access microphone anymore :D | 13:43 |
tadzik | hah | 13:43 |
tadzik | that must've been "funny" to debug | 13:43 |
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r0kk3rz | sounds like call recorder is not releasing it properly | 15:24 |
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coderus | r0kk3rz: after stopping callrecorder service same | 16:10 |
coderus | only reboot helps | 16:10 |
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r0kk3rz | wont it have to request access to the mic from pulseaudio? and explicitly say 'im done now' before other well behaved apps can access it? | 16:20 |
r0kk3rz | so killing the service wont help | 16:20 |
r0kk3rz | my knowledge is pretty limited about such things, so im probably wrong | 16:21 |
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eyea_UK | jolla )0!1@ joh | 16:33 |
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eyea_UK | when is the next update due | 16:36 |
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TemeV | eyea_UK: january | 16:43 |
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coderus | eyea_UK: i hope it will be in next week or so :) | 16:45 |
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TemeV | coderus: didn't you get the news, they are not going to publish it on the week before holidays (next week) | 16:51 |
tiwake | https://inovaestudios.blob.core.windows.net/forumsavatars/1801b6e30aa0a570262fff5c5544d3480ced7b677732.jpg | 16:51 |
r0kk3rz | yeah its pretty much early this week, or perhaps 2nd week of jan | 16:51 |
tiwake | game engine this startup company is working on | 16:51 |
tiwake | thats some fantastic light rendering | 16:51 |
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r0kk3rz | arent you already running an RC of u10 coderus? | 16:53 |
coderus | no, i'm on u9 :) | 16:55 |
tiwake | I'm kind of curious... for jolla, are there more hardware developers than software devs? or is it the other way around | 16:56 |
Morpog_PC | other way around of course | 16:56 |
tiwake | why of course? | 16:56 |
Morpog_PC | they are too small to do the HW by themself | 16:57 |
tiwake | do they outsource some of the hardware development? | 16:57 |
Morpog_PC | the whole phone was outsourced, beside of design | 16:57 |
tiwake | gotcha | 16:57 |
Morpog_PC | even alot of software to make the phone run on mer was outsourced | 16:58 |
Morpog_PC | ie tieto | 16:58 |
r0kk3rz | well, libhybris means they can use standard android SOCs and existing drivers | 16:59 |
Morpog_PC | but not for everything | 16:59 |
r0kk3rz | well no, but it cuts down on work | 16:59 |
Morpog_PC | sure | 17:00 |
Morpog_PC | check here: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/elc_telephony_piirainen_0.pdf | 17:00 |
r0kk3rz | i wonder how much effort it would be to port the BBOS10 version of unity3d to sailfish | 17:01 |
r0kk3rz | i guess with QNX bbos is probably a lot different where it counts | 17:02 |
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Nicd- | wooo I fixed younited | 20:20 |
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Nicd- | but shame on you f-secure and jolla qa | 20:20 |
Nicd- | it has been there for ages with no fix | 20:21 |
ender| | i wish jolla could show my wifi properly as 📶 instead of showing a box | 20:21 |
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Tegu | haha, nice wifi name | 20:24 |
Tegu | do other devices show it correctly? | 20:25 |
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Nicd- | I can't see it in my terminal :P | 20:26 |
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Tegu | (I can't either :D just googled it) | 20:27 |
ender| | Tegu: WP 8.1 and most Androids show it fine. Windows 8.1 thinks it's a hidden network for some reason | 20:27 |
ender| | Nicd-: here's how WP8.1 shows it: https://eternallybored.org/imgs/stuff/wifi.png | 20:28 |
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Tegu | ohohoo, that's actually neat | 20:28 |
Nicd- | what character is it? | 20:29 |
ender| | my sister (also) has a Nokia E72, that one shows it as gibberish :) | 20:29 |
ender| | Nicd-: Antenna with bars | 20:29 |
Tegu | Nicd-: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4f6/index.htm | 20:29 |
Nicd- | well no wonder it's gibberish in the E72 then | 20:30 |
Nicd- | the phone came out before the character! | 20:30 |
ender| | nah, it interprets it as iso-8859-something, and does the same for other non-ASCII SSIDs (instead of interpreting as UTF-8) | 20:31 |
Nicd- | even if it did interpret it as UTF-8 it would probably render it as a box or the unicode replacement character | 20:32 |
ender| | yeah | 20:33 |
Nicd- | also, apparently there is no specification for the charset in a wifi ssid, so the E72's rendering is completely valid | 20:33 |
ender| | i remember reading somewhere that it's specified as utf-8 in 802.11ac, but that it wasn't specified before | 20:34 |
Nicd- | yeah, in the newer spec it can be specified to utf-8 or left unspecified | 20:35 |
ender| | i need to test what older windows versions do with these. i wish i knew where my usb wireless dongle is, then i could test directly in vmware | 20:36 |
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coderus | just install unicode font | 20:41 |
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tiwake | is there a way I can get a jolla phone shipped to USA? | 21:54 |
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Jonni | tiwake: most likely there are some forwarding services available. But unless you like 2G only or is just using it for WLAN device, you prolly do not want to" :) | 22:03 |
tiwake | Jonni: I don't have a 'dataplan' | 22:04 |
tiwake | nor do I want one :P | 22:04 |
cryorat | tiwake, borderlynx | 22:04 |
tiwake | borderlinx | 22:05 |
r0kk3rz | tiwake: also the warranty is most likely void in the US | 22:05 |
cryorat | tiwake, right | 22:05 |
cryorat | http://www.borderlinx.com sorry :) | 22:05 |
tiwake | meh, warranties are over rated | 22:05 |
r0kk3rz | agreed | 22:05 |
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Jonni | well borderlinx or similar services offer european shipping address and they can forward it to US. | 22:06 |
tiwake | "no thankyou, I'll do what I want with the device I bought" | 22:06 |
r0kk3rz | thats fine if you dont care, i just thought i would mention | 22:06 |
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tiwake | hmm | 22:08 |
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tiwake | what size and weight is the cellphone shipped in? | 22:13 |
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tiwake | erm, box size | 22:14 |
r0kk3rz | pretty identical to a samsung galaxy box or an iphone box | 22:17 |
r0kk3rz | cant remember if it was shipped in a bigger outer box or not | 22:17 |
stephg | think mine came in a bubble wrap package rather than more cardboard | 22:18 |
r0kk3rz | i think mine came in a bigger box | 22:18 |
ender| | i still have my box, let me grab a meter | 22:19 |
tiwake | I'm not seeing information on the samsung either... heh | 22:20 |
ender| | 19.5 x 12.5 x 8.5cm | 22:20 |
tiwake | weight? | 22:21 |
ender| | actually, according to sticker, the box is 20x13x9, 0.5kg | 22:21 |
cryorat | mine came in a bigger cardboard with bubblewrap inside | 22:23 |
cryorat | and a TOH :P | 22:23 |
tiwake | about $32 to ship it to me | 22:27 |
tiwake | thats not too bad | 22:27 |
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ottulo | oh hi ender| (s'mee, from c-a) | 22:28 |
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ender| | the one without nose? | 22:29 |
ottulo | the same | 22:29 |
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