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Sailor10567jollan hinta nyt vain 248,90 halvimmillaan... pitäsköhän ostaa toinen.. :p09:13
Sailor10567dna lopettanu jollan myynnin?09:14
inzjos ostaa osissa, saa 50 senttiä halvemmalla!09:15
ggabrielerm... come again? (english please)09:15
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inzErm, sorry, Sailor was considering buying another Jolla, as the price is now 248,90, and I said that another 50 cnt can be shaved off by buying with part payment09:17
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ursHeh, and I just bought mine with the "other half keyboard" rebate and thought I was getting a particularly good deal.09:17
urs(It was also 249)09:17
ggabrielwell, i was looking at phones yesterday for a friend09:18
ggabrielit's a great price considering what's out there09:18
ggabrielthe lumias are the only thing that are cheap09:18
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ggabrielmy jolla's screen is cracked, so i'm looking for an excuse two buy another one :D09:19
Sailor10567has the DNA operator stopped selling Jolla?09:19
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inzSailor10567, seems so, but you can get them from elisa saunalahti09:21
ninnnuggabriel: I've been considering another Jolla for same reason..09:22
Sailor10567i know and many other stores in Finland nowadays... musta pörssi is cheapest 248.90€09:23
pp_:/ then again, if you get it for -100e directly from the online store pretty much always09:23
fluxwhy not simply buy replacement screens? oh, right.. :P09:23
temmi_hoomy mother in law stepped on her jolla just days ago09:23
ursverkkokauppa has them too.09:24
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ninnnuDo the Jollas sold in the online store have the SIM-holder fix or do they require some Care-love, too?09:25
ggabrielninnnu: i have a jolla manufactured in dec 2013 and never had a problem with the sim holder...09:26
ninnnuhmmh09:26
ln-that's true, not all of them had the issue.09:27
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Sailor10567yep i have too and only problem has been battery.09:27
Sailor10567but its fixed09:27
ninnnuWell, whatever causes the reboots...09:27
ggabrielandroid? :D09:28
ninnnuNah :P09:28
ninnnuSo the SIM-thing is actually completely separate? I thought it was somehow linked to the reboots09:28
knihtihow to find out when my JOlla was manufactured?09:29
ninnnuUnder the battery09:29
ggabrielremove battery09:29
knihtiok thx09:29
Sailor10567batterry contacts.. i cleaned them and no reboots after that.. this was last summer..09:31
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Teme2have one of the first ones and never had any instability because of hw issues *knocks wood*09:32
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nadleyhi all10:12
nadleyI'm a new jolla user10:12
nadley:-)10:12
Bysmyyrwelcome10:12
ln-congratulations10:12
nadleyThanks :D10:12
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tadzikwelcome :)10:13
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nadleyfor the moment I'm only using native App, but I think I'll install android apps as for the moment my jolla is not usable as my nexus 410:13
nadleywhat is the best way to install android apps ?10:14
Nicd-the easiest way is to install android support from the store, then either yandex or aptoide and install android apps from there10:14
coderusnadley: if you don't need to use google play and it's services - use aptoide and/or yandex store10:15
coderusyou can even install amazom appstore if need :)10:15
nadleyok thanks10:15
coderusif you need play store - you can install it using developer mode: https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/10:16
nadleymy other question is how to update sailfish for the last version even if it is a beta10:16
coderusif you want you can drop any apk to phone and install it10:16
Nicd-nadley: https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-11038-uitukka/10:16
nadleythanks for quick answer.10:18
Nicd-coderus: good hint, I'm installing the amazon appstore now :)10:19
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nadleyis there another "store" for native app than jolla store ?10:24
ggabrielwell, there's openrepos, but you have to know what you're doing10:25
Nicd-coderus: does amazon appstore work for you? I'm just getting empty pages10:26
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lainwir3dhi11:14
SK_workhi lainwir3d11:19
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nadleyHello lainwir3d :-)11:27
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Morpog_Jolla_Nicd-: amazon app store works fine here11:57
Nicd-maybe I just need to reboot11:57
Morpog_Jolla_but best is play store + services11:58
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Teguamazon app store works here, too. got it because I didn't bother to install google play store + services :P11:59
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Tegumaybe it's also necessary to specify that I'm using Tahkalampi instead of Uitukka12:01
Teguor.. would be using, since my Jolla is still in the repair12:02
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Morpog_Jolla_RC is looking good, yay13:18
SceltMorpog_Jolla_: RC?13:19
Morpog_Jolla_release candidate of update 1013:19
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SceltMorpog_Jolla_: where13:20
Morpog_Jolla_https://twitter.com/zzste/status/54442512694797926413:20
Sceltokay13:20
Morpog_Jolla_cto of jolla13:20
SceltI guess Stskeeps is then the GTFO of Jolla13:22
Scelthe's a mean badass13:22
Morpog_Jolla_lol13:23
StskeepsCT..FO?13:23
Stskeeps:P13:23
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pp_capture-the-flag officer?13:29
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coderusMorpog_Jolla_: agree13:35
Morpog_Jolla_? coderus13:36
coderusMorpog_Jolla_: RC looks good :)13:36
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coderusMorpog_Jolla_: i saw some screenshots13:37
Morpog_Jolla_:D13:37
coderusthe most impressive is alphanumeric devicelock password, finally :D13:39
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coderusnow it's possible to make patch for pin enter screen, mazelock or whatever you like.13:41
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ggabrielthis changes everything13:41
ikarusis there another podcast dealing app other then gpodder as it's UI with just icons and otherwise, just not SailfishOS is making me want to strangle a few UI designers ?13:41
ikarusand strangling people is a bad thing btw13:42
Morpog_Jolla_mazelook sounds awesome13:46
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Tegubtw, talking about maze locks. one maze lock that I saw only allowed to use each point once. it reduces the possibilities quite much when compared to a one with a digit PIN of equal length.13:48
Teguif the length is 9 (=3*3), then the maze has 9! possibilities and the PIN has 9^9 possibilities (assuming same digit can be reused)13:48
Teguwell, okay, if thinking practically, they both are too complex for human brute-forcing :P13:48
coderusi have qml component for mazelock13:48
the_mgtmost android maze locks are set to a clockwise spiral13:51
the_mgtat least in nearly all the cases I saw people using them13:51
Teguand yea, the shape is somewhat easier to remember if watched over the shoulder13:52
ikarusTegu: the problem with things like maze locks, humans are great at recognizing and reproducing motions13:52
ikarusie, I've never had a problem even if the person held the phone away from me, from recognizing an android lock combination13:52
ikarusbut if you can even get a somewhat oblique angle it is doable by nearly anyone13:52
coderushmm, where is my mazelock project...13:53
the_mgtI'd like a lock that needs different input every time I want to use it13:53
ikarusthe_mgt: I like colour locks13:54
ikaruswhere the location of the colour on the screen can be varied13:54
the_mgtsomething that can't be filmed/watched once and the somebody can reproduce and unlock the deivce13:54
ikarusor better yet, randomized13:54
ikarusthe_mgt: that would be even harder13:54
fluxsecret challenge with the vibration motor and you respond with shaking :)13:56
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the_mgtsomebody on tjc suggested something like an oldschool safe lock, with multiple rings. the "north" position could vary every time I need to use it. maybe 8 different possible positions. doesn't need to be enabled by default, just for the paranoid13:56
the_mgtflux: that might look a bit funny, but nice idea13:56
ikarusthe_mgt: colour combination is easier on humans and you randomize the button colours every time13:56
ikarusfrom the experiments I saw with it, it works easy enoug13:57
ikarush13:57
ikarusbut is harder to copy as remembering a colour combination is much harder then just following movement and requires an angle at whcih you can obviously see the colours13:57
coderusrandomizing devicelock code on the fly = problems with recovery13:58
fluxthat could be the 'fast' unlock mechanism13:58
fluxthere could be a slow one with a longer sequence of digits13:58
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fluxone you maybe store somehwere :)13:58
the_mgtI would be happy if the numbers on the keypad were randomized...13:58
ggabrielnever try to unlock the phone drunk13:58
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coderusthe_mgt: nice idea :D13:59
the_mgtcoderus: and so simple...13:59
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chem|stMorpog_Jolla_: jolla should start to make rolling releases instead of those push blocks14:03
chem|stand stop restarting my phone when you leave the kernel untouched!14:04
Stskeepstrust me, you want to restart the phone14:04
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Stskeepsall sorts of funny issues happen otherwise14:04
phaeronchem|st: we use rolling release internally14:05
fluxif you don't restart the phone, you will have different apps using old and new libs at the same time, so close to double memory usage14:05
chem|stflux: so what?14:05
Nicd-memory is already running out with very simple usage :P14:05
fluxchem|st, well, I don't feel jolla has plenty of memory to throw around ;)14:05
chem|styou can restart all services if need be14:05
Nicd-*if* you are a developer14:05
Nicd-/geek14:06
fluxservices would probably include wayland manager14:06
fluxand all interactive apps14:06
chem|stphaeron: can I have a job please?14:06
phaeronchem|st: :)14:06
fluxwhat are you exactly missing if the whole device reboots?14:06
fluxyour screen sessions die?-)14:06
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chem|stphaeron: I take unpaid alpha testing if that helps!14:06
phaeronwe have three rolling release levels and you can switch across them, stuff from git goes in at the bottom and moves to the upper level through QA14:07
phaeron:>14:07
chem|stflux: a short flickering, instead of entering pin and stuff, I can just upgrade and leave the phone to it without the need to check anything14:07
chem|stflux: that is called good userexperience14:08
fluxchem|st, so basically, the pin code? well, that's a point I can agree with.14:08
chem|stflux: basically the phone is offline from everything while upgrading, some people don'T like that and it is not necessary14:09
chem|stand it stays that way until you interact14:09
chem|stphaeron: any luck with btrfs sdcard yet?14:09
chem|stphaeron: have you formated on the device?14:10
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phaeronchem|st: yes. as I said it works for following the guide and gets exported over MTP just fine14:12
chem|stphaeron: so it is my libmtp then or what is your guess?14:13
chem|stwell let me check on win7 real quick14:13
phaeronone difference is that your SDcard is much bigger. mine is 4Gb14:14
phaeronyours is at least 64Gb I assume ?14:14
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chem|stphaeron: nope it is 32gb14:17
chem|stand no it does not work on win714:17
chem|stit shows the right size and usage but no content14:18
phaeronok it still may be a bug with the size14:18
chem|stjust like with linux14:18
chem|stshould I try to format it 16x2?14:18
chem|stis there anything I can try for you?14:20
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phaeronchem|st: how much content does it have14:22
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phaeronchem|st: file count and size14:25
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phaeronor just count14:27
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chem|st606files14:53
phaeron606 only ?14:54
phaeronwhat class is the sdcard ..14:54
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chem|stoh that might be folders right?14:54
phaerondepends on how you counted :)14:54
chem|stls -1 |wc -l14:55
chem|stthat is folders14:55
phaeronfind -type -f | wc -l14:55
phaeronsorry14:55
phaeronfind -type f | wc -l14:55
phaeronfor files14:55
phaeronand find -type d | wc -l14:56
phaeronfor dirs14:56
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phaeroncwd being the sdcard14:57
phaeron(current working directory)14:57
chem|st25k files14:58
Sailor10567_have anyone managed how to link google-account to clash of clans on jolla?14:59
chem|stdf -h gives 24GB used of 30GB14:59
chem|stphaeron: the android_storage in $home is exported properly and that is also on the sdcard, just the "mounted" by system sdcard sin't15:00
chem|st519 directories15:00
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chem|stwhy is the directory count different might be a good question...15:01
phaeronquite a lot of files. it might be timing out while scanning15:02
chem|stnope that is on the android_storage part and that is working fine15:02
phaeronoh so android storage has 25K files ?!15:02
chem|st1360 is the jolla subvolume only15:02
chem|stthe whole sdcard has 25k15:03
chem|stso 1360 files in 100 folders15:03
chem|stand android_storage is 23682 in 419 folders15:04
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phaeronok thanks15:05
chem|stmtp seems to scan when you open a folder not when you open a device15:05
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chem|stif it does it is pretty annoyingly slow in opening already scanned folders...15:06
Sailor10567_have anyone managed how to link google-account to clash of clans on jolla?15:08
chem|stSailor10567_: 9 minutes... I still have the last one in my window, and no I didn't don't won't do that15:09
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Sailor10567_jaahas..15:12
temmi_hooSailor10567_: there are missing apis from between the settings -> accounts panel and the 3rd party apps15:12
temmi_hoothe problem is known so it'll likely be solved some time in the future15:13
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phaeronchem|st: sorry for the silence, I am discussing it with the developer :)15:18
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coderusfound my mazelock qml component: http://i.imgur.com/sWuaRKS.png15:20
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phaeronchem|st: are win7 / linux on different machines ? (try different usb ports)15:24
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nadleyguys small question if I plug my jolla phone on my Fedora should I see it somewhere ?15:37
inzIf you have USB mode as "PC connection", then you should be able to access it with an MTP client15:38
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nadleyhum ok MTP :D15:41
knihtiit should pop up on a file manager15:45
chem|stphaeron: completely different, the linux is my home desktop, I tried USB2 and USB3 ports, hub or no hub - the win7 is a xeon workstation in my office 64bit, the winxp I tried is also my office and somewht different as winxp has no ootb support for mtp15:46
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phaeronyeah XP is unsupported15:46
phaeronit's eol anyway15:46
chem|stcompany wise it is far away from eol^^ sadly15:47
phaeronchem|st: it might be just too much content.. can you provide a breakdown of the file types so we can try to reproduce it here15:48
chem|sthmm most of it is mp3 on the jolla part15:48
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chem|stthe android is mostly maptiles so png or jpg and some huge .map files15:49
chem|stsome 20x documents pdf15:49
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chem|stsome videos in mp4 on jolla too15:50
chem|st1300files is too much content?15:50
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phaeronit's interesting that the bigger volume works15:51
chem|st5.8GB where 4.5GB are mp3, 486MB are jpg, 155MB are various video formats15:52
chem|st72MB apks15:52
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japa-finadley, There is some issue with libmtp in fedora16:10
japa-fiJolla does not show up when you plug it in.16:10
japa-fiSomeone else on this channel told me a workaround: install simple-mtps16:11
japa-fiOnce you plug jolla in, mount it manually: simple-mtps /home/yourdir/mountpoint16:11
japa-fito unmount: sudo fusermount -u /home/yourdir/mountpoint16:11
phaeronjapa-fi: in more recent fedora it just works :)16:13
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japa-fiphaeron, more recent = Fedora 2116:16
japa-firight?16:16
japa-fiwith my F20, no go..16:16
japa-fiYeah, you showed me the bugzilla which supposedly has fix for F2116:16
phaeronYes that's what I have here. I don't remember the issue with f2016:16
japa-fiI can live with the workaround though..16:17
japa-fiI'll wait for perhaps 1 month for the most major issues to be ironed out with F21, then I install it to my wife's laptop.16:17
japa-fiIf it appears to work ok, then maybe month or so later I install it to my work laptop.16:17
japa-fiAt least there is some benefit of having a wife :)16:18
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kontioupdating fedora X to x+1 is always some task during x-mas holidays :)16:19
phaeronI've been using f21 since it entered beta :)16:19
japa-fikontio, I'll be upgrading my moms laptop to F21 during Xmas.16:19
japa-fiCan't recall if she is at F18 or at F19.16:20
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kontiosome are braver than others :) (regarding beta :))16:20
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japa-fiI've forced my family to be fedora users: "I haven't used windows for several years. If you wan me as your IT support, then you'll go with fedora. And you save the licence fee too. plus no need to upgrade hardware"16:21
japa-fiMy sister, father and mother are all running fedora for which I provide remove support via vnc16:22
ggabrieljapa-fi: happy support :) I like my family using something i can't help them with ;)16:22
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kontiojapa-fi: same for me :)16:26
japa-figgabriel, latest "support case": dad says: "I got error trying to install the drivers with the usb camera I bought." Me: "It's for windows, doesn't work on linux." he: "I thought perhaps there is some kind of translation program in between" me: "Doh. Just plug it in and start "cheese"".16:26
japa-fiWorks..16:26
ggabriellol16:26
japa-fiQuite often the case has been: This CD with widget X does not work. Answer: just plug it in.16:26
ggabrielmy ex learned the power of "sudo"16:26
ggabrieland nevre went back16:26
japa-fi"Oh, it works without the CD!"16:26
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ggabrielstill, don't like it support with family/friends/partner16:27
ggabrieltoo complicated16:27
japa-fiwith fedora things are simple.16:27
ggabrieli managed fedora in the past16:28
japa-fiEither it works out of the box or then not. Nothing in between, like with windows16:28
ggabrielmy challenge with linux is that i know a fair bit, but from the terminal16:28
japa-figgabriel, same here. Just tell them: Open the terminal, it's the thing with icon that resembles TV16:29
japa-fi:)16:29
ggabrielyeah, but then they don't learn16:29
ggabrielthings like policykit and stuff like that16:29
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japa-fipolicykit: Even I don't know anything on that..16:30
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Tegunah, there is something in between. :P or at least I had to download wlan drivers for Puppy Linux on a netbook. though, I'm not actually sure if it was just because puppy is a quite small distro.16:30
ggabrieljapa-fi: that thing that allows normal users to mount stuff off usb16:31
ggabrielsometimes it gets slightly misconfigured16:31
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ggabriels/usb$/usb among other things/16:32
japa-figgabriel, I've never had to mess around with that.16:32
japa-fiActually, Ive done some modification so that they can install packages without being asked for root password16:33
japa-fiDOn't mean sudo rights to yum, but for policykit or somesuch16:33
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japa-fiIs there a forum os some such for quarasMX?16:39
japa-fiquasarMX16:39
Yanieldoes the store page mention anything?16:40
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japa-fiAh, just checked from meteorworks (or what ever the home page)16:41
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japa-fiDoesn't mention..16:42
ggabrieli saw a thread or two in tmo16:42
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japa-fiTMO ?16:43
ahjolinnahttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81318&highlight=quasarMX16:43
ggabriel^16:44
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nazaninArmadillo: ping16:49
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knihtianyone got media player showing external album art?17:03
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Morpog_PCI got all my album art embedded17:05
knihtiis there easy way to automate that17:06
knihtiand do you use flac files17:06
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Morpog_PCI just use mp3's17:06
Morpog_PCI use mp3tag for embedding17:06
Yanielexternal album art shows with mp3s too17:07
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knihtinot with flac at least (cover.jpg)17:07
YanielI use flac for most stuff and that doesn't show any covers17:07
Yanielregardless of if they are embedded or external17:07
knihtiok17:07
YanielI've been poking javispedro about this for a while now17:07
Yanielapparently it is a tracker issue where the cover cache is not generated for anything but mp3 files17:08
knihtihope we get fix someday17:08
Yanielso if you create and populate the .mediaartlocal folders for your flac albums manually it should work17:08
Yanielinstructions for that are on tjc and you could script it I think17:09
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Morpog_PCwell, I just throw this in here :) The Jolla founders in office near Xmas with tablet campaign successful http://t.co/eRIQuqklAt17:25
Yanielhey isn't that from last year17:26
Morpog_PCnah, last year was different17:27
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Morpog_PCI made that one with pics from indiegogo :D17:27
Yanielah17:27
Stskeepsdoesn't render for me17:28
Morpog_PC:(17:28
Morpog_PCjust needs flash17:28
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Stskeepsah, there we go17:29
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arargh18:30
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Nicd-seems the new HERE maps are out of beta19:20
Nicd-APK no longer available :(19:20
coderusNicd-: apk in play store now19:22
Nicd-yeah, but I don't have play store19:23
Nicd-and I don't trust the apk download sites19:23
Teguis it on amazon?19:23
coderushttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps19:23
Nicd-dunno about amazon19:23
coderushttp://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/?id=com.here.app.maps19:23
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Nicd-maybe you should reread what I said :P19:25
coderusNicd-: i dont support idiots and paranoics, sorry19:25
coderusi dont trust you19:26
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coderusand won't give you direct link to apk19:26
Nicd-also dammit, the old HERE web maps are gone, the new one only supports directions with 3 via points19:26
Nicd-coderus: then maybe you should just shut up19:26
coderusNicd-: sure sweety :D19:27
coderusjust do pkcon remove aliendalvik and shut up yourself :D19:27
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coderusdoes anyone know how to remove that snapping from launcher? SK_work ?19:29
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Nicd-so, is it possible to put ringtones on the phone without having them loaded into the media player?19:45
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attahThe feeling when a Core M sores 2.5x your current laptop on passmark..19:51
chem|stNicd-: put it in the right folder...19:52
Nicd-chem|st: which is..? Music shows them in the media player too19:52
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chem|stNicd-: /usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo/19:54
Nicd-thanks19:55
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coderusNicd-: you can create custom ambience for that20:19
coderusset ringtones path to whatever loaction you want20:19
coderusor copy them to standard ringtones folder20:20
coderusor set ringtone path manually with profile-client20:20
coderusthere are a lot of options20:20
Nicd-yeah, I just copied them to the folder chem|st told me20:23
salyavinNow if we just had ability to set ringtone per contact.20:27
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coderustimes ago when Tmavica shared warez ambiences i copied sounds from all of them in system folder20:31
japa-fiI'm trying to find decent sip client (softphone). I've tried two (zoiper and vox mobile) and both of them output all the voice via speaker instead of the earpiece. Is this some kind of jolla limitation?20:31
japa-fiI rather speak and listen in private than trough speakers blasting the whole world.20:32
coderusjapa-fi: what happen when you plug in headphones?20:32
japa-fiAnd secondary question: good SIP client with encryption support?20:32
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japa-ficoderus, don't have headphones with me now... need to test tomorrow20:33
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salyavinSome SIP support is in telepathy I think20:48
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Morpog_PCnice one http://whatcolourisit.scn9a.org/23:12
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coderuswhat is lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 version on u8 and u9?23:31
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coderustip: rpm -qi lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 on your phone and post version number please23:55
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