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japa-fi"Some SIP support is in telepathy I think" <--- where can I find telepathy?05:54
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salyavinhttps://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/07:16
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Warnaudyou'll need to reboot after installing the programs above :D :D07:21
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salyavinwhile you're at it you may want to vote on it japa-fi07:32
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tbrshould prod jolla about it, the community has done what they could, the rest is probably deep in some proprietary jolla code with no sources available07:39
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tbrfuck fuckity fuck FUCK FUCK07:49
Jopewell now07:49
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StskeepsO_o07:52
suosaaskiIt doesn't hurt anybody.07:52
salyavinPhone spontaneously combust?07:53
stephgblurgh morning07:55
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lainwir3do/07:57
suosaaskihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVK49nVlSx8#t=9m07:58
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tbrI'm most sorry, for the unrelated outburst and would like to apologize. I lost my contenance there for a second.08:11
* chem|st pads tbr08:11
chem|stwe all have our 5 minutes!08:11
* stephg offers chocolate, it's too early for b33r08:11
stephgyup08:11
pp_beer is ok after lunch08:12
pp_and lunch can be a cookie at 6am!08:12
chem|ststephg: it is never to early for b33r *plopp*08:12
tbrI'm not sure right now if it there is an option of "too early for beer"08:12
Stskeepsbeer sounds good around now, then going back under a duvet..08:12
stephg"it's 5 o'clock somewhere' right?08:12
chem|stvoid input critical kernel failure08:13
tbrinfreakingdeed08:13
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Stskeepsmorn Venemo08:18
Venemohey08:18
Venemowhat's up?08:18
Stskeepsnot much. blogging.08:18
Venemolink? :)08:19
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Stskeepssoon(TM)08:20
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Teme2a user #elsewhere received a message from care@ that stated in finnish  "OS-päivityksen suhteen näyttää siltä, että virallinen päivitys 1.1.1.xx tulisi jakeluun ennen joulua. Kävisikö sinulle, että odotat sitä?" - which loosely translated is "officisal OS update 1.1.1.x will be shipped before Christmas, would you wait for that?"08:27
Teme2soooooo08:27
ilpianista\o/08:28
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salyavinLast I knew was this https://twitter.com/zzste/status/54442512694797926408:29
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salyavinFinally this #sailfishos #update10 RC starts to look really good. Hurry up #Santa #nopromisesyet08:30
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mekluTeme2: more along the lines of "it *looks like* it'll ship before christmas"08:36
meklu;)08:36
meklunothing definite08:37
Teme2it's implied that it will come since they offer it as as option :P08:38
Teme2i mean if IIRC there was a post on TJC that claimed if it wasn't shipped last week, it would not be shipped before christmas08:38
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SK_workcoderus: it is impossible: snapping is by design08:39
SK_work:(08:39
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Teme2because releasing right before christmas is probably not such a good idea08:39
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salyavinWriting good software cannot be set to dates, if you make hard dates your users will beta or worse alpha test for you which too many companies do.08:40
salyavinWell Teme2 gotta give people something to do over their christmas break ;P08:40
Teme2:D08:40
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pp_if it's better than u9 (probably is), opt-in soonish and then for the masses (unless something major) just before xmas08:44
pp_would be fine with me :-)08:44
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yellsbrick your dev just before xmas ;)08:44
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chem|stmeklu: how about an opt-in today... so we can find you some bugs you never even thought about09:55
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chem|stUX suffered from all not-opt-in releases so far09:56
temmi_hoohow's the ux in uitukka compared to tähkälampi?09:56
Nicd-chem|st: meklu is not a sailor :p09:57
mekluI am a no-one! :D09:57
Nicd-temmi_hoo: isn't it Tahkalampi?09:57
chem|stmeklu: ah I thought you are the right hand of cybette, sorry09:57
mekluthe translation was just somewhat inaccurate09:57
chem|sttemmi_hoo: what versions are that?09:58
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chem|stif you mean release to opt-in, I thought they improved oom issues but what I see are no oom issues, it is just software not being stable09:59
chem|stmost of them are jolla core applications failing when tapped on homescreen09:59
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chem|stleave some open, return to your phone after a while and tap eg gallery and it just disappears, memory was fine on all cases I checked so either the oom issue is related to being unable to drop cached pages or there is no memory issue behind that part10:01
Nicd-I don't have that10:02
chem|stand I am not talking having 15 apps running, I am talking having settings,phone,msg,gallery open10:02
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Wntabout the memory topic, have you tried zram on your devices? https://openrepos.net/content/eugenio/zramcfg-configure-zram10:05
WntI started using it when Jolla released the kernel sources for update 9 and the device feels much more responsive after enabling that10:05
Nicd-I read zram is going to be in the next update10:06
Wntyes, it is10:06
Wntbut why wait for the update when you can have it already? :)10:06
Teguyay, progress on repair! or actually replacement instead of repairing. maybe it won't take the two weeks that they said :) (so it will be ready before th eholidays)10:07
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coderusSK_work: aha i see dummy pages design :D10:30
SK_workcoderus: yeah10:30
coderusSK_work: i ccan disable snapping at all, but then lockscreen and switcher acts ugly :D10:30
SK_workyeah10:30
SK_workI would say that we need a nice Qt component that doesn't exists yet10:30
SK_worka "variable height" paging component10:30
SK_workcoderus: ever used a Windows phone ?10:31
coderusthe only idea is replace Launcher GridView with Flickable + Grid + Repeater10:31
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coderusSK_work: my mother using Lumia 62510:31
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SK_workcoderus: in contacts, you have the favorite page10:31
SK_workthat can be scrolled horizontally10:31
SK_workbefore going to next page10:31
coderusyes10:31
SK_workI would like this vertically10:32
SK_workfor both the app grid on jolla, and multitask grid10:32
mekluwhuh10:34
mekluthat seems somewhat weird10:34
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* meklu hasn't used WP, can't be quite sure what exactly you mean10:34
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mekluI'd just like the ambiance shortcut to be replaced with something sensible like a favourite applications -thing10:35
coderusmeklu: check patchmanager - partnerspacemanager10:39
coderushttps://github.com/sailfishos-patches/partnerspacemanager10:40
mekluseems somewhat silly10:42
meklusince that only affects one side of the screen10:42
mekluthe fact that there's functionality there without it is somewhat... questionable10:42
SK_workmeklu: want partnerspace in both ambience trays ?10:42
SK_workmeklu: open a bug on the repo10:43
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chem|stmeklu: sfos2 has the ambiences in the swipe-down gesture, so the space frees up11:17
mekluyup11:17
mekluinterested to see what they'll come up with for the sides11:18
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Obi-Lanyay jolla finally arrived11:35
Stskeepswo11:35
Stskeepso11:35
ursbtw, what's the current approximate shipping time?11:36
meklunice11:36
urs(I ordered last week... when can I expect it?)11:36
Obi-LanI ordered mine at 1.12. and it arrived today11:36
ggabrielnot bad compared to the 3-4 weeks of last year :)11:37
Obi-Lankind of shock after android and wp11:37
ursok, so there's still hope it might reach me before xmas11:37
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chem|stah btw Happy Birthday, I think today was the day most Jolla phones came to life11:45
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Obi-Lanhow is the aptoid store organized11:45
chem|stObi-Lan: isn't it "you organize"11:46
Obi-LanI mean when i search for software and it finds from "other stores"11:46
chem|stnever used it as I do not use much else than f-droid11:46
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pp_I got mine on the 8th last year11:47
pp_Out of warranty ;_;11:47
Obi-Lanand then theres some substores or something like that11:48
chem|stpp_: ? dec 8th most devices were not even shipped...11:48
pp_I did the first one preorder but didn't make it to the party :-)11:48
pp_probably should have11:49
chem|stpp_: ah so top450 then11:49
chem|stpp_: EU has 2 years, the "limited" warranty is actually 6month and jolla was nice to have it 1 year but manufacturing faults are still valid until next year11:51
Obi-Lanor is there easy way to sneak .apk:s from google store without installing it11:51
tbrsure there are apk downloaders11:52
tbrask the search engine of your least distrust11:52
chem|stObi-Lan: there are online downloaders, but if you do not trust google why trust another 3rd party website to not inject downloads11:52
pp_yep, it can be nasty after the official one (not that I expect any faults, got the battery holder fix and no problems with sim holder, so should be fine)11:53
Obi-LanI mean download from offical store11:53
Obi-Lanwithout installing it to phone11:53
chem|stObi-Lan: nope there is no "direct" download11:53
Obi-Lanok11:53
chem|stthat is why there are 3rd party websites...11:53
Obi-Lanbleeh wasn't smart enough to look from software vendors page11:55
Obi-Lanand there is direct link for apk11:55
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Obi-Lanhave to say that need to install email client is something unlike :)12:03
Obi-Lannot in the dislike way12:05
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Morpog_Jollaupdate 10 is released as opt-in! yeah!13:31
tbrbooyah?13:31
Stskeepsare you trying to give us a heartattack?13:31
Stskeeps:P13:31
* Morpog_Jolla giggles madly 😁😉😊13:31
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j-dogethat's yet another day the update is postponed13:32
Stskeepsthat qualifies for AT LEAST a week13:32
Stskeeps:P13:32
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Morpog_Jollamuahaha ☺13:32
tbrbad Morpog_Jolla, very bad Morpog_Jolla! go sit in the corner13:32
Morpog_Jollaat least everyone is awake again in here13:33
* tbr meanwhile ponders if he should bother to join the community meeting, it sort of collides with me going somewhere...13:33
* Stskeeps is not attending either today13:34
tbrI guess that also means no updates on any of the jolla APs from last meeting13:34
Stskeeps#action Jolla to clarify their open source statements and put them together on jolla.com i can say i'm actively working on ; as well as #action jolla to look into webmink's remarks about http://jolla.com/sailfish-eula/ and https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html13:37
Stskeepsbeen taking a lot of my time recently and as also has been seen, we've clarified things in the indiegogo campaign etc to make it not seem like we're abusing the word open source13:37
Stskeepsbut that work isn't done yet13:37
Stskeepsi'm having hourly panic attacks about going on holiday thursday afternoon13:37
Stskeeps:P13:37
tbrmhm, good to hear that despite jolla being a small company someone finds the time to work on those non-profit-contributing items13:38
Stskeepsyeah.. and not just me13:38
Stskeepsalways a pain in the ass to do things near xmas..13:39
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* tbr hates x-mas this year13:42
SK_worktbr: why ?13:42
* SK_work hates christmas13:42
SK_worknot just this year in particular13:42
tbrSK_work: not in the mood at all and all this pseudo-cheerful is even more annoying that way13:42
SK_workI see13:43
* anYc adds "last christmas" to tbr's music playlist13:44
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tbranYc: 30 years old, good vintage13:44
StskeepsanYc: i went 15 days of xmas without hearing that13:44
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tbrthe second half of 2014 I could have lived without experiencing it, at all, completely.13:44
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anYc^^13:48
mornfallMorpog_Jolla: what? :P13:50
Obi-Lanhmm so nokia pulled off that here drive beta apk13:50
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Morpog_Jollamornfall: it was a mean joke13:55
mornfallMorpog_Jolla: yeah, I could tell that from Stskeeps's heart attack... :P13:57
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MirvObi-Lan: probably because it went to google play store with the real version so why keep the beta download (other than the minority like us that would like .apk)14:06
Obi-Lanyeah14:17
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chem|stMirv: we would like to have the sfos version updated!14:32
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stephg_jhi is thr meeting in 25 minutes?14:36
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mekluapparently that is the case, stephg_j14:37
stephg_jthx meklu14:37
Mirvchem|st: sfos native version, of course :)14:38
Mirvno-one wants those pesky .apk:s14:38
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VDVsxhttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/54486734070667673614:56
SK_workbetter14:56
SK_workblog.jolla.com14:56
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coderushaha https://blog.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/welcome_image_etusivu.jpeg15:34
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SK_workcoderus: why ?15:37
SK_workyou can see iekku fishing IIRC15:37
Tegudoes not load for me :(15:37
coderusI UNDERSTAND15:37
coderusoops caps :)15:37
coderusi understand15:37
coderusjust this image is so strange :D15:38
iekkuwe have some kind of zoo inside jolla15:38
Hartzi:D15:39
coderuscan we get fullres non-cropped image? :)15:39
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iekkucoderus, :D15:41
coderuswhynot?15:41
Teguhaha, now it loaded. awesome :D15:42
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coderusyeah, blog.jolla.com is a bit slow somewhy :(15:50
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chem|stphaeron: any news?15:52
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phaeronchem|st: not really .. we're busy with u10 :)15:53
chem|stok15:53
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petantiku10! must be all hands on deck. so to speak.16:09
Sceltupdateupdateupdate?16:09
SceltMUSHROOM?16:09
stephgSoon(tm)16:10
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Scelt/hilight -mode=heart_attack *u10*16:12
petantikbetter than u2.16:13
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M4rtinKRelease candidates for the release engineering throne! Blocker bugs for the blocker bug god! :)18:13
Sceltu10?18:13
Struppi222question: how quick are the people at jolla care responding to questions?18:14
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locusfmine took a week, be patient :)18:14
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Struppi222may i ask it here then? cause from 400 people here, this is probably not tech support channel.18:16
Struppi222and i dont want to annoy people^^18:16
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Struppi222how do i enable auto rotation on my device?18:27
Struppi222for example while typing stuff?18:27
japa-fianyone tested voip client that doesn't output the voice via speaker for everyone around you to hear the discussion18:27
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TeguStruppi222: on the settings -> display, but it does not work on everywhere :/18:28
Tegusome apps force portrait keyboard iirc18:28
Struppi222display, is the "dynamic" setting right?18:28
Teguyea18:28
Struppi222wow and i though the gyroscope of mine is dead, it doesnt rotate anywhere at all.18:29
M4rtinKactually it should use the accelerometer for this18:29
Struppi222or accelerometer. it just doesnt rotate, neither in the gallery, nor while typing in text chat in the messaging app18:30
M4rtinKas it needs to know where is "down"18:30
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TeguStruppi222: are you holding your finger on the screen while rotating?18:32
Tegubecause if you are, it does not rotate18:33
Struppi222im doing it whith finger on and off the screen and nothing happens18:33
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Teguhm, weird18:35
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Struppi222apparently somethings wrong. theres an app called "levels" in the jolla store which seems to measure accelerometer input in some way and display it as a spirit level thing18:38
Struppi222and when i run it, it doesnt detect anything18:39
Struppi222guess this ones going back18:39
Struppi222or restart the phone... and not be an idiot..18:41
Struppi222im so dumb18:41
Teguhm?18:42
Tegudid a restart fix it?18:42
Struppi222yup... i will stand in a corner and be ashamed to death now18:42
Teguer.. don't :D it's not your fault.18:43
TeguI wonder what was wrong with the phone18:43
Struppi222maybe because i just got it.. if the problem returns ill write to the support18:44
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Yanieldid you update to the latest sailfish version before trying?18:44
Struppi222no, its downloading atm18:45
Yanielthat may be why then18:45
Yanielthe first version was really buggy18:45
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Obi-Lanhmph no option to format sd card inside jolla18:51
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M4rtinKno GUI option ;-)18:52
coderusNeed testers for new patches for #SailfishOS (MazeLock included!) using Uitukka: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1452382#post145238218:52
Obi-Lanany protip how to get into console18:53
Teguenable the developer mode18:53
Obi-Lanjolla doesnt like my bitlocker encrypted ntfs card ;)18:53
Obi-Lanand adapter is somewhere18:54
M4rtinKjust be really really sure you are working with the right device before you use the tool :)18:55
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Obi-Lanyess found microsd adapter19:57
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r0kk3rzisnt the whole point of bitlocker the fact that it only works with the thing that bitlocked it?19:58
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Obi-Lanif you use win 8.1 pro to bitlock removable media, other versions and win 7 can open it with password20:00
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r0kk3rzyeah right20:03
r0kk3rzsounds a bit more useful20:03
r0kk3rzive only used it with win7 for full disk encryption20:04
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Obi-Lancan android app access native camera folder20:13
Obi-Lanor do I need to do some funky link between folders20:14
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the_mgtObi-Lan: iirc, android only sees a tiny fraction of your device, kind of a jail20:19
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Obi-Lanyes it seems to go android_storage20:20
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Obi-Lanwas thinking if I symlink pictures/camera to android_storage/DCIM so that bittorrent sync can backup that20:21
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Obi-LanI can symlink /home/nemo/Picuters/Camera to /home/nemo/android_storage/DCIM20:50
Obi-Lanand btsync in android can read it20:50
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Obi-Lanand how nice, that symbolic link stays over reboot21:04
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coderusMazeLock patch available on openrepos now: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock22:43
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Nightmare__coderus: do you know any negative sideeffects with this patch?22:57
M4rtinKcoderus: nice! :)22:58
coderusNightmare__: i am not22:59
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coderusi'm making only good patches :)23:02
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M4rtinKcoderus: what about some lock screen notifications/calendar events/widgets ? :)23:04
coderusM4rtinK: what are you talking about? :)23:05
M4rtinKcoderus: something like this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3444/show-calendar-event-title-directly-in-the-lock-screen/?answer=70210#post-id-7021023:06
M4rtinKbut without the need for hacks like changing the ambiance image :)23:06
coderusM4rtinK: just create qml component showing info you need and place it on lockscreen23:07
M4rtinKcoderus: well yeah, it is not that hard23:09
M4rtinKcoderus: BTW, any idea what happens if the lockscreen QML gets broken ? :)23:09
M4rtinKa syntax error or something :)23:09
M4rtinKyou should still be able to fix it with ssh over USB, but asking just in case :)23:10
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coderusM4rtinK: homescreen just won't be loaded.23:18
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coderusjournalctl -a /usr/bin/lipstick to get output and error info23:18
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M4rtinKcoderus: thanks! :)23:31
M4rtinKcoderus: will see if I can get to it :)23:31
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