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Stskeeps | good morning and merry $INSERT_HOLIDAY_OF_TODAY_IF_ANY | 08:01 |
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tbr | Stskeeps: merry easter and happy new gear | 08:02 |
chroniz | Does anyone still have a factory image of jolla-sailfish-1.0.8.21.img left or link | 08:03 |
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Stskeeps | tbr: i think i'm forbidden to receive more gadgets until i clear out my cupboard.. | 08:04 |
tbr | ;) | 08:04 |
tbr | chroniz: no such thing in public. | 08:05 |
Stskeeps | not after piratebay was shut down, no | 08:05 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:05 |
tbr | heh | 08:05 |
Stskeeps | i wonder how many would pay for a 'get a device that's easily reflashable' | 08:05 |
Stskeeps | and switched over to ext4 instead | 08:06 |
tbr | Stskeeps: with that binary garbage partition mandated by android, we might be getting closer though? | 08:06 |
chroniz | Dang, guess I'm without Jolla for good during the next 2 - 3 weeks | 08:06 |
chroniz | Thanks anyway | 08:07 |
tbr | chroniz: what are you trying to do? | 08:07 |
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chroniz | tbr, trying to fix fs for 1.1.1.27. Phone is now bricked for good, recovery mode's factory reset stops instantly after trying to mount /dev/mmcblk0p28. | 08:11 |
chroniz | Didn't have the phone for a long time, so I can't use snapshots either | 08:11 |
tbr | chroniz: then all you need is a btrfs image of that partition | 08:11 |
tbr | (a factory image would likely contain much more) | 08:12 |
chroniz | ttbr; right then. Been looking for that too, but my search for it has so far been useless | 08:14 |
tbr | chroniz: I think there were a couple of people who went through this in the past. Best approach would be to track those down. The channel logs might help you with that too. | 08:14 |
chroniz | tbr: Thanks, I'll take a look. Were it not the holidays, I'd send this to repairs | 08:16 |
Stskeeps | tbr: perhaps | 08:17 |
Stskeeps | tbr: i'm thinking fedex to pick up device/send it back, reflash at jolla to a saner image with ext4/factory image for that device on the emmc | 08:18 |
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Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, i would pay for it | 08:21 |
tbr | Stskeeps: yes, that's the official option | 08:22 |
tbr | Stskeeps: ah, sorry | 08:22 |
tbr | Stskeeps: not awake and confused it with chroniz' problem... | 08:22 |
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tbr | Stskeeps: OTOH it's not that hard to create something that can be reflashed even on current devices | 08:25 |
Stskeeps | hrm, i guess you could strictly speaking generate it | 08:26 |
tbr | I'm thinking: dump recovery partition (for good measure, to have a known good recovery that can be fastboot flashed); dump other partitions right after a factory reset using recovery | 08:28 |
tbr | to recover: make sure you have a sane recovery, boot into it; replay the partitions you dumped; … ; profit! | 08:29 |
tbr | I remember us casually talking about such stuff | 08:30 |
tbr | IIRC someone even wanted to prep some scripts for that purpose, was it niel? | 08:30 |
tbr | obvioulsy the resulting dumps are not legally distributable, but I think that wouldn't stop someone to put up a torrent. ;-) | 08:31 |
tbr | and now FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! traceroute -m 120 xmas.futile.net | 08:32 |
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gogeta | tbr, Stskeeps merry xmass | 09:17 |
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chem|st | Happy Easter! | 10:09 |
chem|st | I see a mousepointer in the msg app when I peek^^ | 10:10 |
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kimmoli | easter-egg ? | 10:12 |
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chem|st | kimmoli: desktop-sailfish? | 10:12 |
kimmoli | nah, just messaging app cover is f'up | 10:13 |
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Stskeeps | chem|st: you know, that may be clue to that bug | 10:18 |
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chem|st | Stskeeps: easter? | 10:18 |
Stskeeps | no, cursor | 10:18 |
chem|st | or desktop-sailfish? aard_ ? | 10:18 |
chem|st | Stskeeps: ah my sis has a black cover - that bug? | 10:19 |
chem|st | or blanking cover | 10:19 |
Stskeeps | yes | 10:19 |
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Stskeeps | i see it in devel browser too | 10:20 |
kimmoli | mostly i see the messaging app through the cover | 10:20 |
chem|st | at some point I thought that the qt implementation of touchpointer will blow up in your face but I did not think that far | 10:21 |
r0kk3rz | hyvaa joulua | 10:21 |
gogeta_ | also dialer is affected ... especially when is always on | 10:21 |
Stskeeps | giucam: ^ | 10:21 |
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Yaniel | I get black cover in messages if I open it,then lock the screen by pressing the power button | 11:24 |
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giucam | Yaniel: you mean if you lock it really fast? | 11:47 |
giucam | like, before the window comes up? | 11:47 |
Yaniel | no | 11:48 |
Yaniel | open messages | 11:48 |
Yaniel | do whatever normally | 11:48 |
Yaniel | and lock the screen via power button without pushing messages in the background first | 11:48 |
Yaniel | unlock and the messages app cover is black | 11:49 |
giucam | can't reproduce | 11:49 |
Yaniel | happens very reliably here | 11:51 |
giucam | are you killing jolla-messages between retries? | 11:51 |
r0kk3rz | http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/23/7440079/fx0-firefox-os-smartphone-specs-release-date-photos | 11:51 |
giucam | you don't close messages by closing the window | 11:51 |
Yaniel | also opening messages from the cover and swiping it back does not update the cover, it stays black | 11:51 |
r0kk3rz | weird looking phone | 11:51 |
HarhaanJohtaja | i have black cover since the alst update | 11:52 |
HarhaanJohtaja | in messages app | 11:52 |
Yaniel | okay, pkilled jolla-messages and the black cover is gone | 11:52 |
giucam | once you get it once you always get it, the problem is getting it once reliably | 11:53 |
r0kk3rz | wonder if firefoxos is using libhybris | 11:55 |
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Yaniel | likely | 11:58 |
r0kk3rz | yeah thats what im thinking | 11:59 |
r0kk3rz | we'll see how popular this fx0 thing is in japan | 11:59 |
r0kk3rz | they probably wont sell it anywhere else | 12:00 |
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cryorat | r0kk3rz, I had a firefox OS phone before my jolla | 12:08 |
r0kk3rz | yeah? | 12:08 |
cryorat | it didnt felt good :/ it wasnt mature enogh | 12:08 |
r0kk3rz | i thought most of them were dirt cheap phones that could barely run the OS | 12:08 |
cryorat | you are right | 12:09 |
r0kk3rz | but i was more thinking that the fx0 could be a good target for a sailfish port | 12:09 |
r0kk3rz | not sure how easy it is to swap out libhybris based OS's | 12:09 |
r0kk3rz | stskeeps would know | 12:09 |
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cryorat | personally i dont think it would be a goot idea | 12:10 |
cryorat | i dont understand the technical side but the HW would be small for the sailfish | 12:11 |
cryorat | maybe the really high end ones could run it, but im not sure | 12:11 |
r0kk3rz | thats my point, the one i linked to is fairly comparable to the jolla spec wise | 12:12 |
r0kk3rz | wouldnt bother doing it with some of those cheap phones | 12:13 |
r0kk3rz | nope its considerably better | 12:14 |
r0kk3rz | quadcore 1.2ghz and 1.5gb of ram | 12:14 |
r0kk3rz | sailfish would scream along | 12:14 |
cryorat | fx0 would be an interesting attempt but i dont know if its worth porting | 12:18 |
cryorat | almost same spec, almost same price | 12:18 |
r0kk3rz | yeah but jolla isnt selling phones in japan | 12:19 |
r0kk3rz | but sailfish doesnt appear to have japanese language support | 12:19 |
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* Yaniel is still waiting for that official IME | 12:23 | |
r0kk3rz | looks like there is a community effort | 12:24 |
r0kk3rz | which is something at least | 12:24 |
r0kk3rz | jolla do need to make it easy to contribute to the main os in this regard i think | 12:25 |
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tbr | Yaniel: did they promise one? | 12:30 |
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Stskeeps | IME? | 12:31 |
Stskeeps | ah, input method | 12:31 |
tbr | input method? | 12:31 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: maliit is open source | 12:31 |
Stskeeps | sorry, holiday mode.. | 12:31 |
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r0kk3rz | tbr: yeah but it might be nice to have a github or such where 'official' translations and inputs are kept | 12:32 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: os localization is a separate project | 12:33 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: they seem to make very slow progress on that for some reason | 12:33 |
r0kk3rz | so instead of having to dig around on TMO and openrepos, alternative languages are available through some standard method | 12:33 |
r0kk3rz | of course there would be a fair amount of work involved in ensuring the quality of some of these things | 12:34 |
tbr | also it looks like: "maliit-plugin-jp" is already a thing, so someone™ would just need to make it work on sailfish | 12:34 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: as much as I'd like to see *official* support from jolla for such things, I've come to believe that no such thing can be reasonably expected. | 12:35 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: simply as these guys are completely overpowered by staying afloat and doing a minimum viable software product | 12:35 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah understood, but i see that as an opportunity to leverage the community more | 12:36 |
tbr | I know I sound like a b0rken record, but *chum* | 12:37 |
r0kk3rz | but likely i am too optimistic about what contributions would actually result | 12:37 |
tbr | for that we have a promise of support and once we have things in shape, I'm ready to go into jolla-hq and beat them into supporting us, but before that we have homework to do as community. | 12:37 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: make a hit-list/roadmap somewhere | 12:38 |
r0kk3rz | what needs to be done? | 12:38 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: right now knee deep in a windows installer (don't ask), but after that, yes, let me write a reminder | 12:39 |
tbr | although the christmas ham might happen before that | 12:39 |
r0kk3rz | hah, its christmas day, doesnt need to happen immediately :P | 12:39 |
r0kk3rz | but at some point, some kind of direction that people can follow would be great | 12:40 |
tbr | if it doesn't happen now then it's going to be soon™ forever | 12:40 |
tbr | other people were supposed to write that, but meh... | 12:40 |
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coderus | Eventsview patch v0.0.14 released. Fixed vertical layout of buttons. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet Let it be LAST update please :) | 12:44 |
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r0kk3rz | hmmm, mint or arch | 13:18 |
r0kk3rz | its always annoying trying to pick a distro | 13:18 |
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M4rtinK | Fedora :) | 13:19 |
r0kk3rz | dont think ive ever really used fedora before | 13:19 |
just4info | hey there, quick question: after i restarted the phone my whole music collection is unsorted, what would be the best way to work arround that bug? | 13:19 |
r0kk3rz | i would normally use debian | 13:20 |
r0kk3rz | but this is really just to do some OBS stuff, which i would imagine isnt terribly easy from windows | 13:20 |
r0kk3rz | if even possible | 13:20 |
M4rtinK | I'm using it where possible and really like it :) | 13:20 |
just4info | yes, fedora is nice :) | 13:21 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: running OBS or just using osc ? | 13:21 |
r0kk3rz | osc i think | 13:21 |
r0kk3rz | i dont really know what im doing yet | 13:21 |
r0kk3rz | but doing some rpm packaging and getting builds done on merobs is the idea | 13:22 |
r0kk3rz | might stick it in vbox rather than dualboot | 13:22 |
M4rtinK | yeah, I'm doing that too | 13:23 |
M4rtinK | and it is all CLI only | 13:23 |
M4rtinK | so about any headless VM or server somewhere will do | 13:24 |
r0kk3rz | yeah thats a point, just run up a headless centos vm | 13:24 |
urs | mmh, anybody got a proper terminfo description of the fingerterm? | 13:25 |
urs | the "xterm" that it reports itself to be doesn't quite seem to match. | 13:25 |
urs | I get leftover characters when switching windows in irssi for example. | 13:25 |
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tbr | r0kk3rz: preferably chose a distro that is supported by upstream OSC | 13:30 |
r0kk3rz | so, suse then? | 13:31 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Tools/osc | 13:32 |
tbr | see right hand side | 13:32 |
r0kk3rz | ah, thanks | 13:32 |
tbr | works OK on debian, but I have also a opensuse vm and a fedora vm as I'm sometimes not only using the "osc build" environments but fooling around with the distros themselves | 13:33 |
M4rtinK | I'm using osc just fin one Fedora :) | 13:33 |
tbr | obviously that's unrelated to Mer/Sailfish, but related to me packaging things for those distros | 13:33 |
M4rtinK | *fine | 13:34 |
tbr | M4rtinK: I recently wanted to use "osc build" and it barfed at me on the debian package, had to install from the above repository | 13:34 |
M4rtinK | IIRC there is an OBs repo for osc, so even if not available from main distro repos, it should still be available for about any distro :) | 13:34 |
tbr | for everything else it was working fine | 13:34 |
tbr | M4rtinK: that's what I pointed to... | 13:35 |
M4rtinK | oh, right :) | 13:35 |
M4rtinK | well, haven't used osc build | 13:35 |
M4rtinK | I guess that could be distro specific ? | 13:35 |
tbr | I have no idea how close to upstream the FC osc is. it might work fine. | 13:35 |
M4rtinK | I remember using it on Ubuntu with the MeeGo COBS | 13:35 |
M4rtinK | and it worked IIRC | 13:36 |
tbr | it worked fine after installing the upstream package | 13:36 |
M4rtinK | back then | 13:36 |
M4rtinK | upstream osc ? | 13:36 |
tbr | back then you had to also install a upstream OSC. I'm pretty sure I remember something | 13:36 |
tbr | the one from that repository above | 13:36 |
M4rtinK | yeah, could be outdated | 13:36 |
tbr | but osc build is teh awesumz | 13:37 |
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tbr | it slurps up a bunch of packages and creates a local fully working build environment to fool around with | 13:37 |
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tbr | no SDK necessary, no distro necessary, etc | 13:38 |
* tbr is packaging stuff for multiple distros on OBS, it helps | 13:38 | |
M4rtinK | well I just leave the build farm do it for me :) | 13:39 |
M4rtinK | but could be nice for faster turnaround :) | 13:39 |
M4rtinK | that reminds me, I managed to build PyPy for Sailfish a while ago: | 13:40 |
M4rtinK | https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries/home:MartinK:sailfish/pypy?repository=sailfish_latest_armv7hl | 13:40 |
M4rtinK | and it even works! :) | 13:41 |
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r0kk3rz | i suppose i can package up i2ctool, since i know that builds and works fine on sailfish | 13:57 |
r0kk3rz | to learn how this whole obs thing works | 13:57 |
M4rtinK | package all the things! :) | 13:57 |
tbr | check if you can steal some packaging from suse or fedora and modify that | 13:58 |
r0kk3rz | yeah true | 13:58 |
M4rtinK | osc can even do cross instance package copy | 13:59 |
M4rtinK | from OpenSUSE OBS to the Mer one for example :) | 13:59 |
tbr | yeah, I love that feature, I quite frequently copypac across | 13:59 |
M4rtinK | me too :) | 13:59 |
M4rtinK | but I've recently started using the Fedora packaging | 14:00 |
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r0kk3rz | orly? | 14:00 |
M4rtinK | while I don't yet have a representative sample | 14:00 |
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M4rtinK | the Fedora packaging still looks less messy than the OpenSUSE one | 14:00 |
r0kk3rz | seems like there are both suse and fedora packages available | 14:00 |
M4rtinK | I guess no wonder considering the Fedora packaging guidelines wiki pages is like 16 km long :) | 14:01 |
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M4rtinK | also OpenSUSE seems to have some out of tree Python distutils patch (!!), preventing many OpenSUSE packages from building on Sailfish OS | 14:02 |
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inte | hello | 14:05 |
inte | merry christmas | 14:05 |
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M4rtinK | merry xmas! :) | 14:07 |
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eyea_UK | Hello | 15:18 |
eyea_UK | Jolla )0!1@ joy | 15:19 |
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aard_ | M4rtinK: I had quite a lot of "dude, WTF are you doing there" with fedora packages over the last few years. though usually very low in the stack | 15:25 |
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eyea_UK | Jolla )01!@ joy | 15:44 |
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M4rtinK | aard_: well, some spec files are just plain crazy :) | 16:05 |
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M4rtinK | aard_: but I don't think this is Fedora specific, or even RPM specific :) | 16:05 |
M4rtinK | some software might be just a bit too special | 16:05 |
M4rtinK | or you need backward compatibility | 16:05 |
Waitee | anyone have ideas how to push apps to pebble without an android phone? :3 | 16:06 |
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M4rtinK | or using undocumented features (the RPM.org documentation is pretty outdated for example) | 16:06 |
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aard_ | M4rtinK: well, it's a rather complete documentation of rpm at the late 90th :) | 16:07 |
M4rtinK | well, it still covers about 95% of what you need | 16:08 |
M4rtinK | but some fundamental stuff like %exclude is just plain missing :) | 16:08 |
aard_ | it's not enough documentation to build software reading rpms without using rpmlib | 16:10 |
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Waitee | does alien dalvik support bluetooth yet? | 16:12 |
aard_ | no | 16:13 |
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flux | and judging from tjc, it sadly doesn't appear to be a very popular feature for people to wish | 17:11 |
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aard_ | also it's a bit tricky to do, but on our todo list | 17:11 |
urs | Hmm, I'm not sure I understand the function of the lock screen yet. It doesn't show any notifications, it allows no interaction, all it does is show a pretty picture. | 17:16 |
M4rtinK | all that Bluez 4/5 & Bluedroid madness :) | 17:16 |
urs | And it only seems to be good for moving away from it. Why is it there? | 17:16 |
flux | urs, well, I suppose its main function is to stop accidental input | 17:17 |
urs | Fair enough... but why is it there when you slide up from the main screen? It's not like there's any reason ever to go there on purpose. | 17:17 |
flux | the new update allows to bypass it when clicking power button twice in succession | 17:17 |
M4rtinK | check out: https://openrepos.net/content/mihlit/calendarbience :) | 17:18 |
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flux | urs, well, you can use it for locking the device, or checking the time and battery | 17:18 |
M4rtinK | shows clanedar events on the Lock Screen :) | 17:18 |
urs | M4rtinK: ah. Does that actually just continuously rewrite the ambience image? | 17:18 |
M4rtinK | urs: I think it does | 17:19 |
M4rtinK | well not continuously, only if needed IIRC | 17:19 |
urs | neat idea actually. | 17:19 |
M4rtinK | yeah :) | 17:19 |
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flux | maybe the widget idea is too used in other phones that it's not enough unlike for jolla ;) | 17:20 |
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urs | M4rtinK: these kinds of hacks are why I both hate and love sailfish. :) | 17:26 |
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urs | What's the correct $TERM value to use with fingerterm? Because the default "xterm" doesn't really seem to match the terminal capabilities. | 17:36 |
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Sailor10353 | hello | 18:20 |
Yaniel | hi | 18:20 |
Sailor10353 | warehouse crush with last.update | 18:21 |
Sailor10353 | we w8 an update? | 18:21 |
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temmi_moo | man with a seven shooter | 18:21 |
Lucky_luke | 6 | 18:22 |
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temmi_moo | in nearly all the albums there is one extra bullet | 18:23 |
Yaniel | he actually says in one that it is a special made gun | 18:24 |
Yaniel | s/special/custom/ | 18:24 |
temmi_moo | indeed | 18:25 |
temmi_moo | and in some albums the seventh bullet is used to catch the bad guy expecting to win as "now luke emptied his gun" | 18:26 |
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neothefox | Hey guys | 18:27 |
neothefox | I have two question for you. First - any attempts on Reddit client yet? And second | 18:28 |
Yaniel | not aware of any | 18:28 |
neothefox | I cant get SDK to compile - it looks for /home/src1/ | 18:28 |
Yaniel | fix your project paths? | 18:28 |
neothefox | I just created it | 18:28 |
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neothefox | and any new projects are all beahve this way, even one imported from git | 18:29 |
Yaniel | I still suspect some of your path settings are wrong | 18:30 |
neothefox | Yaniel, where to look? I've been all over .pro file. | 18:30 |
HarhaanJohtaja | https://openrepos.net/content/dicksonleong/quickddit-sailfishos ? | 18:30 |
neothefox | HarhaanJohtaja, ok, so this option is off for me | 18:31 |
neothefox | HarhaanJohtaja, at leas I have a reason to enable openrepos now :D | 18:32 |
neothefox | it still says code 126 even when I try to deploy on Jolla | 18:36 |
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coderus | neothefox: what is your host os? | 18:39 |
neothefox | coderus: mint 17.1 | 18:40 |
coderus | install sdk in chroot then | 18:41 |
coderus | it's easier to maintain than vm | 18:41 |
coderus | https://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2014/03/29/running-sailfishos-build-engine-outside-virtualbox-vm/ | 18:41 |
neothefox | coderus: I've been thinking about this, oh well. Thank you, I'll be right back | 18:45 |
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Lucky_luke | any option about warehouse freezes, | 18:46 |
Yaniel | wait | 18:48 |
coderus | Lucky_luke: only one - wait for app update | 18:48 |
Lucky_luke | ok ty pal | 18:48 |
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neothefox | ok, updating to the new SDK solved the problem with no chroot | 19:37 |
coderus | chroot is still better :) | 19:37 |
ShadowJK | this new update is killing fingerterm regulary :/ | 19:38 |
ShadowJK | hm, dmesg claims 45M was freed by killkng fingerterm | 19:40 |
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ShadowJK | ow, i tried check email and everything was killed, including irc :) | 20:00 |
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coderus | ShadowJK: https://together.jolla.com/question/73432/discussion-oom-killer-fine-tuning-overcommit_ratio-value/ | 20:04 |
ShadowJK | is this same as memnotify deciding to kilm stuff because cache is below a threshold? | 20:05 |
ShadowJK | overcommit_ratio 90 | 20:12 |
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ShadowJK | this time i lost onscreeb keyboard too :) | 20:12 |
ShadowJK | .. a bunch of tracker processes, signond | 20:14 |
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ShadowJK | [84185.744409] lowmemorykiller: Killing 'maliit-server' (20656), adj 0, | 20:21 |
ShadowJK | to free 41620kB on behalf of 'kswapd0' (49) because | 20:21 |
ShadowJK | cache 7472kB is below limit 16384kB for oom_score_adj 0 | 20:21 |
ShadowJK | I'm not entirely convinced overcommit_ratio maked any difference here, it claims to look at cache? | 20:22 |
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ShadowJK | https://together.jolla.com/question/72895/low-level-memory-killer-strange-behaviour/ | 20:26 |
ShadowJK | this loons line same thing :) | 20:26 |
ShadowJK | looks* | 20:26 |
ShadowJK | Before update, i could check email by adding a bigger swap file on microsd, to accomodate the extra ram use from checking email | 20:28 |
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sledges | http://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/2pmg7q/a_christmas_message_from_my_lawyer/ | 21:28 |
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salyavin | Thanks for that together link coderus, the too agressive app killing is starting to really get on my nerves. | 21:53 |
salyavin | Also thank you coderus for the Harmattan flasher mirror | 21:53 |
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coderus | Is there some *official* page about Sailfish / Nemomobile / Mer relationships? We're tired to explain this again and again for every newcomers :( | 22:14 |
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coderus | salyavin: ok :) | 22:14 |
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ShadowJK | on another note, didn't sailfish upgrade emails use to be english :/ | 23:38 |
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Bawal | so where does sailfishos create random copies of files uploaded to the device | 23:43 |
Yaniel | huh? | 23:44 |
Bawal | i've uploaded some episodes of a tv-series to the device, they keep on filling the memory even after i've deleted the actual files | 23:44 |
Nicd- | how do you reckon that? | 23:45 |
Bawal | well | 23:45 |
Yaniel | btrfs metadata explosion maybe? | 23:46 |
Bawal | just a minute ago i had 3gb free space, i tried to upload two episodes and the transfer hung up in between | 23:46 |
Bawal | now i have 500mb free, the other episode doesn't even show in the folder and the first one i deleted because i wasn't sure if it was transferred correctly | 23:46 |
Bawal | so i reckon 3gb of space just vanished while the files still do not seem to appear | 23:47 |
Nicd- | how do you check for space? | 23:48 |
Yaniel | and for files | 23:48 |
Bawal | currently in windows via usb | 23:48 |
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