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Struppi222btrfs is a supported filesystem for jolla, right?00:42
tiwakeseems so00:42
Struppi222why does happen then, that if i format my external SD with btrfs, jolla doesnt mount it on start :P00:43
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salyavinIt will but you need to modify a file.01:04
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Shinryuufstab entries?01:17
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salyavinmount-sd.sh02:06
salyavinhttps://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils/blob/master/scripts/mount-sd.sh02:06
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salyavinthat one in git might work as is.  Otherwise read discussions ilke https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9249002:08
salyavinof course make a copy of your current mount-sd.sh before any modifications or replacements02:11
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Stskeepsgood morning08:29
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Andy80hi08:29
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Andy80I've installed and activated the Coderus patch to get the quick settings menu in the notification menu... but even if I've activated the patch it doesn't show... what do I have to do to see it?08:30
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gogetaAndy80, i think you need to select reload servicies08:42
gogetafrom main page08:42
Andy80I've upgraded to 0.0.7 and now I've one more line in patch settings08:45
Andy80but if I try to start it, it says: fail to install patch08:45
Andy80but now at least the switches are visible08:46
TMavica_Jollacoderus: here?08:47
StskeepsMorpog_PC: what the devil is that game08:47
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coderusTMavica_Jolla: here09:03
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Siddegod jul!09:20
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ivanplatzekHappy Christmas to you all!09:35
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Miskiooh, I can ssh into my irssi on my phone \o/09:37
Morpog_PCStskeeps, well, it's a mix of tamagotchi and, well, deers which you can give names :D09:38
Morpog_PCbtw my locusf deer and coderus deer "made" another deer which I called sledges :D09:38
MiskiDoes anyone have any suggestions for a good password manager for Jolla?09:38
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SK_workMorpog_PC: :)09:38
frieseMorpog_PC: they can make babies? sweeeet! mine always die though - damn hungry these moose09:38
Morpog_PCyou need to feed them properly09:39
Morpog_PColder deers get more wise and need less food btw09:39
StskeepsMorpog_PC: you're reaally bored09:39
Stskeeps:P09:39
SK_workMorpog_PC: the screenshot looks liked a racing game, where you was beating coderus but out-raced by Stskeeps09:39
Morpog_PCI'm on vacation :)09:39
SK_workthe guy who coded this is quite good09:39
friesewell, you could race your moose, i've got one that walks faster than the others :)09:40
Morpog_PCSK_work, nah, you need to install it, it awesome, there even is a deer running around on the cover09:40
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Morpog_PCyeah, those deers got different characters09:40
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SK_workMorpog_PC: I installed it09:41
SK_workit is cute09:41
Morpog_PCmost creative game I seen on sailfishos yet :D09:42
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friesei don't know, i quite like heebo and tappr - though chro.mono also isn't bad09:42
Morpog_PCI haven't said those other games are bad :)09:43
Morpog_PCI quite like that there are lots of games lately for sailfishos09:43
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frieseyeah, and most have simple, minimalist graphics (and smooth thanks to qtquick ;) ), quite like those09:44
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tadzikheh, I woke up to my jolla slowly blinking red and refusing to boot up09:55
tadzikturns out it was connected overnight to the not-always-on usb port, and the blinking meant "you won't believe how empty my battery is"09:55
Stskeepsstill refusing to?09:55
Stskeepsah09:55
tadzikit now shows 1% charge09:55
Nightmare__Has anyone experienced a strange bug when settings app ist functioning fine except for the sounds page (not opening)?09:57
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Morpog_PCworks here Nightmare__10:03
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SK_workNightmare__: devel-su --privileged10:08
SK_workthen jolla-settings10:09
SK_workand look at output from qml10:09
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TMavica_Jollai just missed the volume slider bar10:10
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coderusNightmare__: after installing my last patch - yes :)10:20
coderusNightmare__: i'd like to look at jolla-settings log from terminal also10:20
coderusSK_work: i received weird screenshot from TMavica: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w5dkcr9lljahtx3/20141224120458.jpg?dl=010:21
coderuslook at this10:21
coderusqml file cropped10:21
coderuspatchmanager bug?10:22
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SK_workcoderus: ask him for logs in /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt.log10:26
SK_workquite weired10:26
SK_workcan tMavica and Nightmare__ disable the patch for slider fix10:27
SK_work?10:27
coderusSK_work: yes10:27
coderusSK_work: well, it seems fingerterm/cat bug, same output on clean device: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lyzluta3idijsx7/20141224122210.jpg?dl=010:28
TMavica_Jollai havent enable slider fix in patchmanager10:31
SK_workcoderus: :D10:31
SK_workweired10:31
SK_workwhere do you miss the volume slider ?10:31
TMavica_Jollain event view10:32
TMavica_Jollajust have brigjtness10:33
SK_workTMavica_Jolla: known issue10:34
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coderusSK_work: it's another patch ;)10:37
SK_workcoderus: how do you put the settings component ?10:38
SK_workdon't you use Jolla ones ?10:38
SK_workthe fact is that you cannot use some components inside lipsick managed windows10:38
SK_workmanaged qml pages10:38
SK_workand I don't know why10:38
coderusSK_work: what you talking about?10:41
SK_workcoderus: any patch putting the sound slider inside lipstick10:41
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coderusSK_work: it's working for me10:53
coderusand i have no idea wh it's not working on your phones :D10:53
SK_workcoderus: weired10:53
SK_workmaybe it has been a long time10:53
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coderusSK_work: http://i.imgur.com/f1fAzFE.png10:54
Nightmare__Error from terminal: type VolumeSlider unaviable10:54
coderusNightmare__: cat /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/sounds/VolumeSlider.qml10:55
SK_workcoderus: thanks10:55
coderusNightmare__: and send screenshot please10:55
SK_workNightmare__: the only error ?10:55
SK_workisn't there more ?10:55
Nightmare__ProfileControl is not a type10:55
Nightmare__thats all10:55
SK_workisn't there something under VolumeSlider unavailable ?10:56
SK_workline number error ?10:56
Nightmare__o ne moment, i'll try it over ssh and post it10:56
SK_workNightmare__: please, thank you10:56
SK_workNightmare__: did you enabled slider fix patch ?10:56
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coderusNightmare__: do you able to edit /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/sounds/VolumeSlider.qml file if i give you instructions?10:57
SK_workcoderus: he can repair it easily via a zypper in -f jolla-settings I guess10:58
SK_workor jolla-settings-something10:58
coderusSK_work: sure10:58
coderusSK_work: i want to make it working :)10:58
Nightmare__http://pastebin.com/1fCWRbWL10:59
SK_workcoderus: :)10:59
Nightmare__coderus: sure10:59
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coderusNightmare__: show full file first10:59
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SK_workprofile control11:00
SK_workweired11:00
coderusSK_work: easy11:00
SK_workcoderus: ha ?11:00
SK_workok11:00
coderusNightmare__: devel-su; nano /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/sounds/VolumeSlider.qml11:01
Nightmare__have to install nano11:01
coderuspkcon install nano11:02
Nightmare__http://pastebin.com/FGmxCkuh11:02
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Nightmare__i can restore the backup from patchmanager11:03
coderusNightmare__: replace ProfileControl { with Profile {11:03
Nightmare__works11:06
Nightmare__but it's in english instead of german :D11:06
Nightmare__all fine11:06
coderuscool11:06
Nightmare__thx11:06
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coderuseventsview missing settings translations obviously11:07
coderusNightmare__: thanks, will release update soon11:07
Nightmare__that translation bug was only when started over shh, starte with ui it's ok11:07
Nightmare__started11:07
coderusNightmare__: i mean11:08
coderusin eventsview11:08
coderusvolume slider11:08
coderustranslation ok?11:08
Nightmare__yes11:09
coderuscool then :)11:10
Nightmare__btw whats "maximum lis rows"? sliders?11:11
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Nightmare__list11:11
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coderusNightmare__: now change back to ProfileClient11:12
coderusunapply patch11:12
coderusand update to 0.0.9: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet11:12
Nightmare__thx for that eventsview patch, it't great with the settings11:12
coderusapply new patch and check volume slider11:12
Nightmare__ok11:12
coderusNightmare__: there is two group of favs in settings: grid with buttons, and list with sliders11:13
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Nightmare__i see11:13
coderusso you can choose how many items rows to display in eventsview11:13
coderusyou can show only brightness slider11:13
coderusor both brightness and volume11:13
coderusor nothing11:13
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coderusSK_work: look at my eventsview patch11:16
Nightmare__works just fine, as i can see11:16
coderusi fixed transfers window and volume slider11:16
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coderususing changed FavoritesZone component, not system, with customization features :)11:17
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Nightmare__btw mobiledata switch is greyed out in eventsview, but not in settings11:18
coderusNightmare__: yep11:19
coderusbut11:19
coderushm11:19
coderusi didn't published fix for that in my patch?11:20
coderushm, wait 0.0.10 then :D11:20
Nightmare__:D11:20
SK_workcoderus: hehe :)11:20
Nightmare__it's not that importent for me :D11:20
SK_workI thik that I will merge this one and get rid of the old hack11:21
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coderuscan you show me original /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/mobilenetworking/DataConnection.qml file?11:22
coderusi missed to make diff11:22
coderusi thought i did that :O11:22
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coderusnobody? :D11:28
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kimmoliXMAS CONTEST ! WIN FREE TOHOLED IN 1 MINUTE11:31
kimmoliFASTEST ANSWER (WHO HAS NO TOHOLED ALREADY) WINS11:31
coderusok11:31
tevecoderus: http://www.puuppa.org/~teve/DataConnection.qml11:31
anonfrieseyay :)11:31
coderuskimmoli: :D11:32
anonfriesedamn...11:32
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anonfriesei should not have written that smiley ;)11:32
coderuswhoooooo... who is always online IRC? :D11:32
kimmolicoderus is excluded (i count you have one already (soonTM))11:32
coderus:D11:32
coderusD:11:32
anonfriese:)11:32
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coderus_is_excluokay...11:32
gexcLOL11:33
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coderus_excludedok11:33
kimmoliQUESTION COMES HERE11:33
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anonfriesecoderus_excluded: /nick not_coderus ;)11:33
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coderus_no_hurry:D11:35
kimmoliWhich The OtherHalf is mentioned in FINNISH lyrics of Rudolph the reindeer (Petteri Punakuono) ?11:35
coderus_no_hurryomg :D11:35
anonfrieseuuh, hard one :)11:35
anonfriesedamn, if only i knew finnish ;)11:35
coderus_no_hurryred nose? :D11:36
anonfriesewild guess: toholed? ;)11:36
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kimmolicoderus_no_hurry: discualified11:36
coderus_no_hurry:D11:36
kimmoliok. no correct answers.11:36
kimmoligame over11:36
iotRFlighthouse?11:37
anonfrieseso, what was it?11:37
kimmolinext irc channel11:37
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HarhaanJohtajaprobably lumikki(snow white)11:40
kimmoliHarhaanJohtaja: correct answer, too late :(11:41
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anonfrieseif only my translator were faster...11:43
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anonfriesebut hey, i learned a new word - slow but steady ;)11:43
coderusteve: thanks11:44
Morpog_PCmy deer horde is growing :) http://abload.de/img/201412241245550msw0.png11:47
anonfriesenice - how'd you get the christmas hats?11:49
Morpog_PCthey appeared auto, I dunno :)11:49
the_mgtwhat is that?11:50
Morpog_PCPixl11:50
Nicd-can you continue where you left off in the game?11:50
Morpog_PCcheck Jolla store11:50
Morpog_PCyes Nicd-11:50
the_mgtwill do, thanks11:50
the_mgtanybody here using the pebble app? does smoku's 0.13 release include the stuff jarvis pedro did? (what they are talking about in the tmo thread)11:51
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anonfriesedamn, my moose are all in one corner and the fast one are eating all the food, so the slow one gets nothing :(11:52
coderusNightmare__: check v0.0.10 https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet11:53
coderusmobile switch should be fixed :)11:53
coderusSK_work: ^11:54
Nightmare__coderus: great work12:01
coderusNightmare__: working?12:01
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Nightmare__yes12:02
coderuscool :)12:02
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coderusSailfishOS Eventsview controls patch updated to v0.0.10. Fixed mobile networking switch! https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet12:12
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Nightmare__coderus: i edited your patch to have 6 switches in 1 row, i like it mor to have smaller icons12:17
Nightmare__https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h2ivx1dcyr3sdl/20141224131533%5B1%5D.png?dl=012:18
coderusNightmare__: ok, i can make it editable also :D12:19
Nightmare__that would be even cooler :D12:20
Nightmare__all i did was edit all your "4" to 6 and add a scale:0.66 to delegate item12:21
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M4rtinKcoderus: finally started using the patch yesterday, thanks a lot! :)12:25
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coderusNightmare__: is scale necessary?12:31
coderusit looks so small with scale12:31
Nightmare__without scale it was cut12:32
Nightmare__you're more into qml than i, so just try :D12:33
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Nightmare__with scale it looks like on the screenshot i posted above12:35
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coderusNightmare__: well ,you did it wrong then12:39
coderusits not cut for me with no scale12:39
Nightmare__quite possible12:40
Nightmare__maybe i forget some size settings to change or similiar12:40
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SK_workcoderus: nice :)12:57
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StskeepsM4rtinK: this is terrible: http://maverisk.wordpress.com/2014/12/23/golden-oldie-pic-of-the-day-14/ , but somehow relevant to the tmo thread13:05
Stskeeps:P13:05
Stskeepsof course we all know that within that shiny exterior, the car is made up of cow feces, but..13:06
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M4rtinKwell, as long as both get the Job done :)13:12
M4rtinKfor the record I have a couple servers in vegetable crates - provides superior cooling, modularity, scalability, mobility & maintenance access :)13:14
Stskeepshehe13:15
M4rtinKand no need for a nasty closed hardware case :)13:15
Stskeepsdownload speeds never cease to amaze me..13:15
Stskeepsi'm 5 meters from my wifi; and it gets much faster speed to download than the computer -and- server that's sitting on LAN with my router13:15
coderusLTE wifi?13:16
coderus:D13:16
Stskeepsno, boring 54mbps wifi13:16
M4rtinKI guess those new fancy N+ stuff can do that13:16
M4rtinKweird13:16
M4rtinKI get like ~2MBs13:16
M4rtinKon g wifi (Asus 500gp V1)13:17
M4rtinKeven when really close13:17
ggabrielStskeeps: dodgy switch13:17
ggabriel?13:17
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Stskeepsggabriel: i'm pondering dodgy point i'm downloading from13:18
Stskeepssince it is fast in other circumstances13:18
ggabrielah, so internet speed problem then13:19
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SK_workStskeeps hi13:27
SK_workyou tweeted about security vs hackability to call for discussion, but I would like to have more information about what's done now, and the UEFI thing13:28
SK_workfor example, what prevents Jolla / us to provide the recovery feature found on phone on the Jolla tablet ?13:29
SK_workin the recovery that is password protected, you can lock / unlock device, so that you can have it safe or not13:29
tbrSK_work: my take on what you mention is, that the other is a custom boot loader on ARM, while this is a intel EDK2 based UEFI+firmware+x13:30
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tbrso things are not directly portable, might as well spend some time discussing if it's the right thing and figure out how things will work as the underlying mechanics are a bit different13:30
SK_worktbr: I guess so, but I don't know what uefi allows us to do or not13:30
ender|isn't UEFI almost an OS on it's own?13:31
tbrit's fairly powerful, yes13:31
tbrIIRC the EDK2 is open source (with some blobs)13:32
tbrif you want to look at things, follow down the minnowboard-max rabbit hole13:32
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tbrone could of course toss it out for coreboot, but I think that might be a bit too far just now. ;)13:32
ggabrielisn't uefi just uefi? :) i.e., it'll load some file somewhere in a specific way etc etc13:32
ggabrielas opposed to [insert here the custom arm bootloaders that are out there]13:33
SK_workI don't know coreboot either13:33
tbrggabriel: yes, but it can also be modified, just like the arm loaders13:33
ender|uefi lets you run programs compiled for it13:33
SK_workbut it looks like uefi is pretty rigid13:33
ender|i used firmware updaters that ran straight from the uefi shell13:33
gogetagiucam, https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-recorder so now we can record ui ?13:34
tbrin addition to the UEFI shell there is also the firmware (you could call it BIOS)13:34
SK_workif uefi can be customized to have strict mode (only signed kernels from Jolla are enabled) and relaxed mode (any kernel is allowed) this could be nice13:34
SK_workboth safe and secure, you select what you want13:34
giucamgogeta: kinda. that's only an example client13:34
giucamwihch dumps bmps13:34
ender|also, uefi includes a VM that lets you run programs compiled for that VM to run on any architecture13:34
SK_workwait what ?13:34
SK_workvm ?13:34
ggabrielSK_work: +1, it could be similar to the current lock/unlock bootloader of the jolla13:34
tbrSK_work: yes, that's part of the whole EFI keys and security story, the question is how to do /that/ properly13:35
ender|they call it something else, but it's basically a vm - kind of like jvm13:35
StskeepsSK_work: basically that you can just railroad in a custom os of your own by flipping a few switches in uefi settings13:35
Stskeepswhich is nice of course13:35
ender|this allows you to have an UEFI ROM on an expansion card, and it'll work regardless of architecture13:36
Stskeepsbut not nice when your company emails are easily exposed, or easily tricked into delivering the unlock code..13:36
SK_workStskeeps: there is no security at this level ?13:38
SK_workhaving lock code here was nice on the Jolla13:38
SK_worka bit like "unlock = wipe data" on android, it protects userdata13:38
SK_workwe could add a number of trials before having the device to reset to facto image13:39
ender|eg. the pretty old LSI 106Xe controllers have x86 and EBC ROMs available, and if you flash an EBC rom, it'll run on x86 and x64 machines (and IA64 and Arm if you find an Arm machine that allows for expansion cards)13:39
ender|(EBC = EFI Bytecode)13:39
aard_ender|: iirc they had place for 3 different images, and you could flash one or more of them. the additional bit was basically just an initialization routine for the main card firmware and linking to the machines firmware13:41
ender|yes, main firmware, BIOS ROM and UEFI ROM13:42
aard_+ openboot13:42
aard_main firmware was the big part, bios/uefi/openboot just smallish initializers13:43
* aard_ had several of those cards, in the hp-branding variant which was pretty cheap to get, but only came with x86 firmware. by flashing a few bytes of openboot glue they'd become bootable on sparc machines13:44
dunpStskeeps,  http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-ethernet-network-explored-possible-jailbreak-in-the-future13:44
aard_just dropped them half a year ago since they can't handle drives bigger than about 2.3TB13:44
tadzikdamn this Moose game is funny13:47
StskeepsSK_work: adding a lock code to enter uefi settings would be nice13:47
Stskeepsbut i can't figure out how to do it when flashing yet13:47
tadziknow where's its sourcecode13:47
tadzikah, found it13:47
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ender|certain HP laptops ask for a code to be entered when you disable secureboot (and those that have a touchscreen, let you enter it through the touchscreen)13:48
Stskeepswould indeed like touch interface13:48
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ender|i've got a cheap Prestigio x86 tablet here, it has a fairly normal AMI UEFI firmware (which I haven't figured out yet how to enter without keyboard, or without using Reboot to UEFI in Windows), but once you're in, it responds to touch (even if it's really hard to actually hit what you want with your finger, because the settings are crammed together too much)13:51
ender|(HP tablets let you get in UEFI setup by holding down the volume down button during POST)13:51
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Stskeepsender|: yeah, that's basically it (volume button doing POST)13:56
ender|not on this Prestigio13:56
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Stskeepsof course you might argue that a laptop is just as likely to be stolen..13:57
M4rtinKStskeeps: what about a key on the micro SD card ?14:01
Stskeepsperhaps14:01
M4rtinKjust make it check the card for the key and only proceed if it is valid14:01
ggabrielwell, my laptop has [almost] full hd encryption... if you steal it, feel free to install win7 and use it14:02
ggabrielbut at least you don't get access to my data14:02
M4rtinKcould be a predetermined GUID & something like key.txt in the root of the partition14:02
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M4rtinKand make it output the key only after typing in the unlock code14:03
ender|password-protected HDs are fun - with some models it's impossible to use the disk without knowing the password, which is a bit of a problem when the user forgets it14:03
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M4rtinKlike this no one can easily get the "uefi unlock" key without knowing the device lock key14:04
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ggabrielender|: pfff, users, who needs them ;-)14:04
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ender|it's even worse when the user dies14:04
M4rtinKender|: I don't thin anyone seriously uses the (unverifiable) built-in hdd encryption, but LUKS & co14:04
M4rtinK*think14:04
ggabrieli use luks fwiw, but in my case data >> value of laptop14:05
ender|M4rtinK: i've seen quite a few corporate laptops with HDD password14:05
ggabrieland it isn't straightforward to do the same thing on a mobile device14:05
ender|i personally use loop-aes on linux and truecrypt on windows14:05
M4rtinKggabriel: well, other than the need for an onscreen keyboard I should be more or less the same14:06
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ggabrielM4rtinK: in the case of the tablet, it seems so; in the case of the jolla, i wouldn't know14:06
M4rtinKsure, much easier on a device with AES acceleration & UEFI14:07
ggabrieloh, true, almost forgot about perf implications14:07
ggabrielon heavy IO I notice that 1/4 of one core is doing cryptic stuff14:07
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SK_workM4rtinK: about key on SD, you need to generate the key14:09
M4rtinKSK_work: sure14:09
SK_workor is this a key to be able to login to the uefi ?14:09
M4rtinKSK_work: that's the idea14:09
SK_workM4rtinK: and what if the thief steals the device with sd card in ?14:09
ggabrielso you generate the key only if dev mode on etc etc14:09
M4rtinKSK_work: then you are stupid :)14:09
SK_workM4rtinK: meh14:09
SK_workpassword is good too14:09
ggabrielyou shoot the thief in the back while he runs away?14:09
M4rtinKSK_work: equvalent of taping your OTP token to your laptop14:10
SK_workbut 2 factor auth with sd + pw could be nice14:10
SK_workM4rtinK: true14:10
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ggabrieli think vkb is key at this stage14:10
M4rtinKI see 3 ways of getting the key: shipping it with the Jolla (can get lost), having an online service (might get shutdown/be inaccessible) or generating it locally after inputting device lock code14:11
SK_workM4rtinK: locally would be nice imo14:11
ggabrielhow about allowing only signed images to boot?14:11
ggabrieland users/devs get a way to sign their images?14:11
SK_workggabriel: I guess that's the idea14:12
M4rtinKggabriel: that should be possible out of the box14:12
SK_workthe problem is to prevent *anybody* to do this14:12
SK_workotherwise, security is affected14:12
M4rtinKsecure boot has this basically built in, you add your own keys and BAM, it works14:12
ggabrieli guess the signature would be unique per device and not global14:12
M4rtinKSK_work: no lock code -> no uefi code -> can't install mallware to get lock code -> can't get uefi code14:13
ggabrielsooo, then 1. dev mode on; 2. generate key; 3. you save the key somewhere safe; 4. use the key to sign images for that device only14:13
SK_workM4rtinK: ?14:13
SK_workggabriel: yeah14:13
ggabrielbut if you lose the key, you're done14:13
ggabrielthat sounds reasonable to me14:14
M4rtinKggabriel: what I mean is basically a password to enter the UEFI menu14:14
SK_workggabriel: regenerate the key ?14:14
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ggabrielok, i'm unsure what you do in the uefi menu14:14
M4rtinKthen in the menu you can import trusted signing keys or turn of secure boot, etc.14:14
ggabrielwhat you _can_ do, rather14:14
ggabrielummm14:14
ggabrielyou can access uefi from sailfish surely, right?14:14
* ggabriel thinking about not allowing access to the uefi menu14:15
M4rtinKhaving a per device signing key would be rather limiting14:15
ggabrielaltho with a vkb it'd be easy to protect14:15
M4rtinKthink about the Nemo project and other alternative distros14:15
ggabrieltrue14:15
ggabrielyou need to know how to sign your image14:15
M4rtinKthey need to have an easy guide (how to disable secure boot/add your key)14:15
ggabrielok, got it, maybe not the best idea14:15
M4rtinKso it needs to be both secure & still doable to moderately technical users14:16
M4rtinKin my opinion14:16
ggabrielthen i'd lock/unlock uefi from within sailfish14:16
ggabrielso if you want a period in which you want to load whatever image, you just open it up14:17
ggabrielsailfish won't let you change uefi without lock code14:17
ggabrieland then it's up to you to lock uefi when you go out on a sat night and get super drunk14:17
ggabrieluefi won't load anything that isn't signed and so on14:17
M4rtinKyeah, that's basically the idea14:20
M4rtinKyou will probably want to have it locked by default14:20
M4rtinKso that Sailfish/Jolla is not trashed in the media as being unsecure by default14:20
ggabrielyup14:21
M4rtinKbut you should be able to securely disable it when you want to14:21
ggabrielso the key is how well sailfish can access uefi on that device14:21
ggabrielthen the bootloader is your oyster14:21
M4rtinKso that Sailfish/Jolla is not trashed in other media for being more closed than even Windows 8 tablets :)14:21
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M4rtinKggabriel: well if OEMs can put animated blinking stars in the UEFI menu background, then I think this should be trivial in comparison :)14:22
ggabrieldunno, never played with uefi; or rather, played as little as possible as it's very frustrating :P14:23
M4rtinKon of the boards I have has full mouse support in the menu and can even update firmware over the internet if you want to14:23
M4rtinKso I would say that the environment is probably much less limited than the BIOS one and more full featured and more easily customizable14:23
M4rtinKat least hopefully :)14:24
ender|ASRock boards have a remote control option in their UEFI if you call them for help :)14:24
M4rtinKand of course this: http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/09/24/0720238/boot-to-zork14:25
M4rtinKof course, that outside the menu proper, but still kinda relevant :)14:25
ender|i've also seen some MSI boards that have a webbrowser integrated14:25
dunpssh to uefi or linux kernel direct :)14:26
ender|you can compile the linux kernel as UEFI application14:26
Stskeepsyou can instruct to boot into uefi settings from linux side indeed14:27
Stskeepsor switch boot order, etc14:27
dunphttp://kroah.com/log/blog/2013/09/02/booting-a-self-signed-linux-kernel/14:27
ender|yeah, there's an interface to the firmware accessible from the OS14:27
Stskeepshttp://linux.die.net/man/8/efibootmgr14:27
ender|you can also screw up the UEFI boot manager to not let you enter the UEFI setup :)14:29
Stskeepsoh?14:31
dunpdm-crypt and UEFI secure boot.. and disable "ms certification"  :)14:33
coderushm, really android google chrome now working on jolla :)14:33
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Stskeepsender|: how?14:34
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ender|UEFI setup is one of the bootmgr entries, and you can overwrite/remove it14:35
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coderusEventsview patch v0.0.11 released. Added settings to choose icons columns count. https://openrepos.net/content/coderu...ettings-applet14:38
dunp40414:38
kimmolii consider installing when it reaches 2.0.014:39
tadzikthe ... looks suspiscious :)14:40
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Andy80I'm not able to uninstall/disable this patch https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet14:57
Andy80I disable it, it disappears... then I go in settings again and it's still there14:57
Andy80I also tried to uninstall it14:58
tadzikI have the same with mazelock14:58
Andy80when I click on it, the patch manager says it's been uninstalled... and it's correct... but then why it's sti;; there?14:58
SK_workI think I know this bug ...14:58
SK_workyes14:58
SK_workit has a failure to be uninstalled14:58
tadzikI remember once solving it for some other patch by removing files from the FS14:58
SK_workhttps://trello.com/b/U3QcWitB/sk-s-kanban-board14:58
SK_work^ in my task list14:58
SK_workbecause it picks the wrong path to perform uninstall operation14:59
Andy80should I remove it manually?14:59
Andy80I just wanted to upgrade it,.. but if I don't disable it first, it doesn't let me uninstall it...15:00
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SK_workAndy80: reinstall the same version15:01
SK_workremove and uninstall15:01
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Andy80SK_work: uninstalling from Warehouse doesn't remove it from the settings15:23
Andy80now in Warehouse I see the new version 0.0.11 but I can't install it15:23
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BasilSemuonov__Andy80, re-open application page15:26
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Andy80which application? settings or wharehouse?15:26
Andy80in wharehouse I get Transaction error/1135_ecbcbabc15:27
BasilSemuonov__Andy80, in warehuose. Error description shows you the cause of error15:29
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TMavica_Jollathe eventview, the internet connection show grey but inside setting is not15:39
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Yanieleventview as in lockscreen?15:44
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coderusSailfishOS Eventsview controls patch updated to v0.0.12. Fixed Sailfish bugs and added one more option. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet15:52
coderusTMavica_Jolla: latest should fix that. restart lipstick.15:53
TMavica_Jollaok15:53
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Andy80BasilSemuonov__: I try again... but I don't know how to fix the error...16:24
Andy80BasilSemuonov__: it says: internal-error, Installation aborted by user.16:25
Andy80that is not true... I don't abort anything16:25
Andy80so I'm stuck in a loop... I can't disable, I can't uninstall, I can't reinstall16:26
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falfaoh, sounds like my life.16:38
TMavica_Jollamerry chritmas16:38
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TMavica_Jollao still not yet here. lol16:49
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r0kk3rzTMavica_Jolla: not yet, is for my friends in australia16:51
TMavica_JollaHong kong too16:51
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Andy80BasilSemuonov__: any idea how I can unlock this situation? Maybe I've to manually delete the patch... but I don't know how16:53
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tiwakeanyone try to polish off scratches from the glass surface of the phone?17:38
r0kk3rztiwake: the glass is already quite thin17:40
r0kk3rzpolishing it will make it thinner17:40
tiwakewhat is the thickness anyway?17:41
tbrif it's coated, that will go ugly17:41
tiwakeand yeah, it would remove the coating, if any17:41
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tiwakemost of the time the coating is an anti-glare and/or letting light pass through the glass better with less reflected light17:43
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r0kk3rzi didnt think smartphones were usually coated17:55
r0kk3rzthe glass is usually thin enough to not refract too much light17:55
r0kk3rzand constant rubbing of the screen would polish most coatings off anyway17:56
tiwakedonno... I would think the coating would wear off anyway with how much it gets handled17:56
tiwakeyeah17:56
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Waiteemerry christmas :)18:22
Waiteeany idea how to load apps to pebble from my jolla?18:22
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ursYay, my jolla arrived just in time for christmas!20:29
ursIs this channel an OK place to ask the newbie questions you can expect from somebody who just unpacked his phone?20:30
Stskeepssure, this is community channel20:31
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Stskeepsfirst things first: upgrade your phone as soon as possible and re-run tutorial20:32
Stskeeps:P20:32
ursah, excellent idea20:32
ursupgraded right away, but haven't re-done the tutorial20:32
tango_can anybody, confirm that the latest android version of simon tatham puzzles collection is extremely unstable in the jolla? apk available for download from here https://chris.boyle.name/projects/android-puzzles/20:33
tango_(of course a ntive port would be so much better... there used to be one for the N900)20:34
SQUelcherursurs!20:37
urshey SQU :)20:37
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SQUelcheri've learned the jolla gestures in no time, but i guess now i can't use another smartphone anymore ;)20:40
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ursIf I want a plain black wallpaper... do I need to upload a 1x1px black image to turn it into an ambience?20:41
coderusurs: try and tell us :)20:44
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kimmoliTHE most usefull app uploaded to Harbour QA... wait for it, or install from mer-obs21:11
aard_hey SQUelcher21:14
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mdxthkimmoli, tell us more?21:15
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kimmolimdxth: just play sherlock and find it...21:18
kimmoli"usefull" - in Ninja category21:18
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mdxthkimmoli, just watching new sherlock... so will be easy task :)21:19
ursok, a 1x1px black png file doesn't seem to work as an ambience. In fact, it doesn't even show up in the gallery.21:19
mdxthurs, install paint and create black image :)21:19
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ursI just created that with gimp.21:19
SQUelcherhi aard21:20
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aard_SQUelcher: thanks for contributing to my salary :)21:21
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SQUelcheraard_: you're welcome ;)21:22
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ursAlso, a properly-sized (540x1600) png doesn't show up properly in the gallery.21:34
coderusurs: problems with your gallery21:36
coderusnot with your images :)21:36
ursso, uhm... what do I do? All I want is a black background.21:38
ursAlso, when I say "create ambience", nothing happens.21:39
ursAre there any special constraints as to what images the gallery app can display?21:42
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coderusgallery displays everything you put in pictures folder21:43
ursI know. But it doesn't seem to be able to display the png files I put there21:47
ursincluding one example ambience (from http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/how-to-make-ambiance-wallpapers-for-sailfish-bonus/)21:47
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raa700i made a bit bigger all black image and it worked  fine, but  that was a update or 8 ago22:01
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SQUelcherurs: 1x1 black png is working here22:06
r0kk3rztheres mostly black high contrast ones that are pretty good22:10
r0kk3rzjust enough colour so you can pick the menu colours easily22:11
r0kk3rzhttp://www.allboutn9.info/2014/06/tourmaline-high-contrast-ambiances.html22:11
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ursThe gallery thing doesn't display any images I copy into the pictures folder for me. It just says "Oops, cannot display thumbnail"22:24
ursbut permissions of the files are identical to the images created by the camera.22:24
ursIt also seems to be unable to delete them.22:24
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ursAh, if I put the pictures into my homedir and *don't* move them into pictures, then it works.22:31
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ursAnd with that, the 1x1px black png works nicely.22:33
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