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Stskeepznothing like a 4:30am wakeup by your child08:05
pp__hmn, technically might work on the jolla, right? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.srlabs.snoopsnitch&hl=en08:05
pp__(well, probably more the gpl3 source with some hacks :-) )08:06
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* Stskeepz looks08:07
pp_Note: Unfortunately, custom Android ROMs like CyanogenMod are not supported, as they lack the drivers necessary to collect radio data.08:07
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Stskeepzi guess, there's some diag interface indeed08:07
Stskeepzi wouldn't mind such a tool at times08:08
pp_might take a look at some point08:10
Stskeepzit's a bit of a shame those kind of protocols for diagnosis are 'closed source'.. could really do a lot of innovation with some more info to what goes on, on network08:10
Stskeepzlike qxdm and such08:11
tbrvery powerful tool08:12
tbrI was also hoping to see that protocol reversed more08:12
tbrbut so far only network manager has a select few things that they needed to get modems running08:13
Stskeepzhrm, maybe today is the day i try to get a saner installation on my r-pi..08:21
Stskeepzi should really have gotten a proper armv7 board instead of this thing08:21
tbrrpi and sane is an oxymoron08:22
tbror one of those MIPS things08:22
tbralthough SGX GPU :(08:22
Stskeepzi supposedly was supposed to get a ci20 but no sight of it08:23
Stskeepzi kinda want a http://www.ingenic.cn/en/?newton/id/1.html08:23
tbrinteresting, they shipped long ago08:23
tbrby UPS08:23
Stskeepzcurious08:23
Stskeepzprobably stolen in the post like 2-3 of my university diplomas..08:23
Stskeepz:P08:23
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Stskeepz(see specs of the above page)08:24
Stskeepzpowerful little board08:24
tbrthat newton looks nice08:25
tbrsounds like something I'd play with08:27
Stskeepzyeah.. haven't seen it in free purchase yet though08:27
Stskeepzhttp://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Original-SmartQ-Z1-Smart-Watch-Mobile-JZ4775-1-54-TFT-LCD-Capacitive-240-240-WIFI-Bluetooth/805904_1574181390.html looks like it's using it08:27
Stskeepzit's really morbid but after imagination bought MIPS, innovation seem to have grown in that area08:30
tbrlooks actually nice. if it would be oled, I'd probably consider buying it for fun and hacking08:31
tbryou could do interesting LPM things08:32
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Stskeepznod08:32
tbrwonder how much battery time it gets etc08:34
Stskeepzit has a big-little like thing08:35
Stskeepz300mhz mips32 and 1.2ghz mips3208:35
tbryes, noticed that in the specs of the newton08:35
Stskeepzwhich is kinda neat08:35
tbris there a sensible kernel scheduler for that yet?08:35
coderusplease suggest me sailfish/android application working on jolla to share my current location? not glimpse.08:36
tbron arm they broke the design in hardware so you could only do hard switching08:36
tbrbut I think they have that figured out in the more recent designs08:36
tbrG+ can do location sharing08:37
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Stskeepzchances are you'd just cpu0/cpu1 on from userspace, i guess08:37
Stskeepzwhich isn't as cool08:37
tbrI'd probably script something and use APRS, but that's me and being a radio amateur.08:37
coderustbr: but location sharing to my G+ contacts/groups only, i suppose? Same as facebook/bbm/etc.08:38
Stskeepzlive NMEA stream08:38
Stskeepz:P08:38
tbryeah, it would be nice if there would be some kernel side logic too, so you could pin cpu intense processes08:38
tbrcoderus: you can configure that08:38
tbrcoderus: no idea if you can do detailed location to full public08:38
coderusall i need is simple app generating geo: link or google maps link with my location :D08:39
Stskeepzdoesn't wechat or the likes have that08:41
Stskeepzat least in china it has features like that08:41
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tbrhttps://support.google.com/plus/answer/2998354?hl=en08:43
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Nc_coderus, you cannot simply visit where-am-i.net ?08:58
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r0kk3rzmorn10:58
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stephghey hey r0kk3rz11:02
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r0kk3rzany snow down your way stephg?11:03
stephgnope, bit chilly (not by the standards of most in here tho')11:06
stephgdrove back from the midlands before it all hit11:07
stephgwhataboutyou r0kk3rz?11:07
r0kk3rza small bit fell last night, but i dont think it settled11:07
r0kk3rzwent out to roseberry topping, which was covered in snow yesterday11:08
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stephgv. pretty I imagine11:08
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temmi_moowhere would that be?11:08
temmi_moomidlands sounds somewhat scottish to me11:09
stephghehe the midlands is, er, in the middle (of england)11:09
stephgtemmi_moo: think 'the shire' from LoTR11:09
stephggreen, hilly, everyone has hairy toes etc.11:09
r0kk3rzyeah im up in the "north", ie the middle of britain11:09
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stephgoops gotta drop offline for 15 or so to reboot/recable something, bbl11:12
temmi_mooah that11:13
temmi_mooi'll want to visit those parts someday11:13
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r0kk3rzpfft if you want to see LoTR then go to NZ11:16
r0kk3rzbit further though11:16
temmi_moono, i want to visit most of britains different parts11:17
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r0kk3rzworth doing11:17
r0kk3rzbritain is rather densely populated11:18
r0kk3rzlittle towns and such all over11:18
Sidder0kk3rz: only lotr from the movies. I doubt Tolkien had NZ in mind when he wrote the books11:18
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r0kk3rzthis is true11:18
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temmi_mooi read the books (the hobbit, the ring saga and silmarillion) long before any rumours of anybody getting permission to even think about shooting11:25
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temmi_mooi've also liked herriott's stories so small towns and lamby meadows is what i'm after11:25
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Siddetemmi_moo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_%281978_film%2911:26
Siddetemmi_moo: before that?11:26
mord_hullo, what provides apkd-launcher? it seems to have gone missing, no idea why11:27
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temmi_moosorry, not before that11:27
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Siddetemmi_moo: i had that as a child acctually. And i read the books as a child too. Many many times...11:27
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Siddethink i read the books the first time at age 811:28
Siddei both learned reading swedish and later english from Tolkien11:28
temmi_mooi was later blooming in that sense, starting with hobbit at age of ten or eleven or so11:28
Siddereading more advanced swedish that is. Learning the basics is things you start with earlier...11:29
Siddetemmi_moo: i got the books as a birthday gift from my grandfather when i turned 8. So i got lucky to start early11:30
temmi_mooah11:30
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mord"rpm -qf $( which apkd-launcher )", anyone?11:34
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tevemord: apkd11:35
mordteve: thanks, not installed for whatever reason (broken deps perhaps?)11:35
mordcool, that fixed it. thanks again!11:36
Siddenow time to start making a list of all the stuff i'm going to buy to the boat so i can get the stuff before the spring arrives11:36
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SiddeI do wonder how the display on the jolla tablet will be on the sun light. Would be a nice device for displaying speed/direction on if it works well outside11:38
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r0kk3rzsidde you can usually buy anti-glare screen protectors11:40
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Stskeepzhttp://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/sailfish-1.1.1.27-oss.tar.bz2 - sailfishos u10 OSS source code dump12:18
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locusfany word on kernel arriving to github?12:20
Stskeepzwould have to ask konsta12:21
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Stskeepzcan't recall his twitter handle at12:21
Stskeepzm12:22
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locusfok another topic, is jolla arm eabi hf?12:22
locusfwas thinking on ubuntu touch on Jolla :)12:22
Stskeepzyes it is12:23
Stskeepzfrom ubuntu touch pov it shouldn't care, libhybris converts softfp (android) to hf12:23
locusfoh cool12:23
M4rtinKAndroid is still softfp ?12:24
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gogetalocusf, for some reason i think every bit works flowless on jb12:45
gogetai talk about ubuntu touch on jolla phone12:45
locusfgogeta: yeah lets hope so12:45
gogetaa fully functional libhybirs support ... :-D12:46
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gogeta*libhybris12:46
gogetabtw sailfish on dory as landed12:46
stephgahh that's better12:46
locusfgogeta: not nemo? :)12:47
gogetaui doesn't works12:47
locusfoh :/12:47
gogetai've used sailfish hadk12:47
locusfok12:47
gogetanewer msm kernels from google a bit systemd allergic12:47
gogetai need to leave this on12:48
gogetaCONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER12:48
gogetaotherwise12:48
gogetanot compile at all12:48
gogetastephg, this is better http://bit.ly/16XG3lc12:49
r0kk3rzStskeepz: how straight forward would swapping out libhybris OSs be? eg. Ubuntu Touch, FirefoxOS, SailfishOS12:50
stephghaha excellent12:51
stephgsomeone needs to distribute a crate of that around the jolla stand at fosdem or something12:51
gogetastephg, if you need some bottles for fosdem ... just ask brewmaster for some12:52
tbrr0kk3rz: last time I checked FxOS didn't use hybris, it built directly on top of surface flinger et al12:53
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r0kk3rzoh, i was under the impression that it was12:53
locusfr0kk3rz: at least in nemo case it was just preparing a image with jolla proprietaries and using that as rootfa12:54
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locusf*rootfs12:54
gogetafresh Install: /home/gogeta/mer/android/droid/out/target/product/dory/hybris-boot.img12:55
gogetalet try12:55
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locusfusing as rootfs == sailfish-snapshot restore nemo12:56
r0kk3rzi've only really got a superficial understanding of how libhybris works, was more a question of if a device is already using libhybris for hardware adaptation then swapping out ubuntu for sailfish should be fairly straight forward and all the drivers should work?12:58
locusfthats the theory :)12:59
r0kk3rzah, cool13:00
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r0kk3rzhttp://forum.whatmobile.net/forum/tech-zone/mobile-operating-systems/34860-boot-to-gecko-firefox-os?p=507798#post507798 << this post seems to suggest that fxOS is using hybris13:00
r0kk3rzbut, who knows how accurate that is13:00
tbrr0kk3rz: if that's all you got then no. I was involved in FxOS up until 1.1 and there was not the slightest trace of libhybris, plenty of hubris though.13:02
Stskeepzyeah they're practically heavily mangled android without dalvik13:02
tbrexactly13:03
Stskeepzwith gecko on to13:03
Stskeepzp13:03
tbrthey had gecko already working on NDK, so it wasn't a big deal13:03
gogetaStskeepz, many hours to spend ?13:03
Stskeepzhuh?13:03
gogetamore money13:04
Stskeepzyes please13:04
Stskeepz:P13:04
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r0kk3rzinteresting, so you could almost consider fxos a fork of AOSP?13:07
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Stskeepztbr: http://m.ad.nl/ad/m/nl/1014/Bizar/article/detail/3818824/2014/12/27/Met-een-luxe-tanktaxi-veilig-door-Sint-Petersburg.dhtml13:31
M4rtinKbrdm, eh ?13:33
Stskeepzr0kk3rz: it is13:33
M4rtinKshould be amphibious, which could be handy :)13:35
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tbrStskeepz: the pink one? yeah, that's funny13:41
tbrmine still seats more people than a BRDM, but also isn't an armored vehicle13:42
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locusfhmm this is turning into a really unholy concoction this ubuntu-touch14:27
Stskeepzmm?14:29
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locusfextracted a minimal sbj system first, then ubuntu touch rootfs14:30
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Chroniztbr & coderus: you made my christmas,  thanks! Got Jolla still working a few days ago :)14:33
coderusme? okay :)14:37
coderusand about BRDM. there are many heavy units owned by  random peoples in russia. i can give you many links if you want :D14:37
Chronizyep, thanks to the logs ;)14:38
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M4rtinKI know about at least one large outdoor paintball arena (in a decommissioned SAM site) that also has one14:41
M4rtinKand they use it in some of the larger paintball battles :)14:42
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coderusi'm talking about working ones, driving in cities :)14:47
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tbrcoderus: thanks, but I already own a Volvo C304 (TgB 1314A) ;)14:51
temmi_mooa nice volvo14:52
stephg"they're boxy, but they're good"14:52
temmi_moostephg: in general to volvo, or to tgb11/13?14:52
stephgit's a film quote :D14:53
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temmi_moourl!14:54
stephghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJZEK4JP0k14:54
ShadowJKweird, trying to update email causes around 700M ram use, and 1.25Mbyte/s *outgoing* traffic from my jolla14:54
ShadowJKfor minutes14:54
stephgbig inboxes? not sync'd for a long time ShadowJK14:54
stephg?14:55
ShadowJKwell, inbox isn't that big, although other folders might be14:55
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ShadowJKdoes it even when i go to empty folders15:01
temmi_moostephg: :D tgb13 is a bit different but that holds: boxy but good15:03
ShadowJKfolder with 2 emails, delete one email: kaboom, extreme memory use and massive data transfer15:06
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sledgesstephg: http://www.turbobricks.com15:14
sledgesa good friend/neighbour is madly into it15:15
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temmi_moosadly, while their base engine is good, they need alternative ecu15:15
temmi_moowhereas with suitable generation saabs you already have a flexible ecu15:16
tbrpsh, ecu... mechanical ignition!15:17
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mcfriskjolla browser in u10 is failing to render my blog feed page,9015:19
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temmi_mootbr :) it has its good and bad sides15:19
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mcfrisk90 % of page just stays white: http://mcfrisk.kapsi.fi/freeski_planet15:20
temmi_mooyou cannot dive very deep with mechanical ignition whereas the electronics are possible to make enough waterproof15:20
Stskeepzmcfrisk: file issue at the github for it?15:20
temmi_mooanyhoo all turbobricks of any reasonable performance have an ecu15:20
CoderCandyfunny15:21
mcfriskStskeepz: ok, will do that eventually then.15:21
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CoderCandyI was out in the snow today, at -10 degrees15:21
CoderCandymy Jolla was the only phone that was alive15:22
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CoderCandyall others had iPhones which all shut down due to the cold...15:22
SQUelcher:>15:23
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temmi_moocalifornia dreaming15:37
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DrainBamaged1California Soul15:47
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Nc_anyone aware of a way to get android-apps to use an android-browser instead of the native jolla one?16:02
Nc_default setup is making signing in via websites a PITA16:02
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locusfok ubuntu touch rootfs extracting16:06
jcbjoeevery jolla is unlocked regardless correct ?16:07
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Morpog_PC__wrong16:24
Morpog_PC__every jolla is locked16:24
Morpog_PC__but you can unlock it16:24
Stskeepzin different degrees16:25
Stskeepzbut is not like sim locked16:25
Morpog_PC__ah well, no sim lock16:25
Waiteethe bootloader is locked16:25
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Stskeepzbut can be unlocked16:28
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Waiteecan i flash android to jolla? :--D16:29
Stskeepzstrictly speaking you could potentially get something going with sufficient amount of time and upstream codeaurora16:34
Stskeepzbut it'd very likely break in all sorts of funny ways16:34
RaYmAnwasn't the ODM device running android? ;)16:34
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Stskeepzprobably16:39
Stskeepzwe changed a few things though16:40
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locusfI wonder if jolla kernel supports systemd 21717:04
locusfthats what my ubt image has17:05
Aardlocusf: try and tell me the results :p17:05
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locusfAard: well I've been trying to get ubuntu to boot with it, just lacking journal files17:06
jjanvierhey guys, is there a way to install snapchat without installing google play services ?17:07
tango_let's talk epub readers on the jolla17:17
tango_(or android, for the matter, but native would be preferred)17:18
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locusfAard: seems to work ok, don't still know why ubuntu reboots though :/17:21
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locusfAard: do you want to see the journal?17:33
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Aardlocusf: might be interesting. did you check if sailfishos comes up with new systemd?17:33
locusfAard: nope17:34
Aardthat'd be even more interesting ;)17:34
locusfAard: http://pastebin.com/xCHzjnbg heres journalctl -ax17:35
locusfdroid-hal-init fails17:36
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dunphttp://www.navit-project.org/17:47
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locusfhmm kernel bug now on msm driver17:51
locusfI mean adreno driver17:52
locusfhttp://pastebin.com/j9n0MD7z17:53
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RaYmAnlocusf: it seems to be missing some firmware?17:57
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locusfRaYmAn: how so?17:57
RaYmAnDec 28 17:43:41 ubuntu-phablet kernel: kgsl kgsl-3d0: |_load_firmware| request_firmware(a300_pm4.fw) failed: -217:57
RaYmAnDec 28 17:43:41 ubuntu-phablet kernel: kgsl kgsl-3d0: |adreno_start| Reading pm4 microcode failed a300_pm4.fw17:58
locusfah yes17:58
locusfthis is due to me removing droid-hal-init probably17:58
locusfwell it appears that there are no firmware related things in /init.qcom.*17:59
RaYmAnusually firmware is loaded through some helper/ueventd/udev, so maybe you're missing some rule to tell it where to load the firmware from18:01
locusfyeah that file is in /system/etc/firmware18:02
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Tegubtw, is there a way to record screen? found an year-old thread on tjc but it didn't have a solution18:04
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japa-fiwhere can I find mitakuuluu? (or what is the native whatsapp client named)18:16
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Nicd-don't use it, it will get you banned18:17
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japa-fiOh..18:18
japa-fiAppartently I can still use my N900 & yappari, even though I don't have my sim in the N900. At least looks like it :)18:19
locusfhmm seems that 3 operating systems on Jolla is too much to handle :p18:19
Nicd-you can also get android whatsapp, the official18:20
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r0kk3rzlocusf: poor little jollaphone18:23
locusfcan't even factory restore18:24
locusfERROR: cannot delete '/sailfish-snapshot/nemo-@' - No space left on device18:24
Stskeepzthat doesn't sound healthy18:25
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locusf[   53.938959] BTRFS error (device mmcblk0p28) in btrfs_ioctl_snap_destroy:2038: error 2818:27
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japa-fibtw. anyone tried the redphone for android, does it work ok with jolla18:27
Stskeepzlocusf: smells like you might want to restore your p28..18:28
locusfI can't even remove files due to no space :D18:29
locusfStskeepz: yup18:29
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locusfwell that was fun while it lasted18:30
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locusf21.11 just over a month lol18:32
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locusfah can rebalance18:34
Stskeepslocusf: consider to use microsd?18:35
locusfStskeeps: I do have one, what to do with it?18:35
Stskeepswell, root=mmcblk1p1 rootwait ish18:36
Stskeepsif you're experimenting a lot18:36
TemeVlocusf: i think someone was succesfull on deleting files after first writing some big file to zero18:38
kimmolitbr: care to share makefile for bigOS ?18:38
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locusfTemeV: I tried18:40
locusftrue >|18:40
locusfand then a file18:40
locusfbut no success18:40
tbrkimmoli: 4 cans of sauerkraut, 1 pack of karjalanpaisti, various sausages - fried, 10-15 prunes, 2 glasses of red wine, a can of sliced/diced mushrooms. season to taste. simmer for 2-3h, put outside over night, rinse, repeat 2-3 times, consume.18:40
kimmolitbr: thanks. need testdrive that18:41
TemeVlocusf: then you really have a problem :)18:41
tbrkimmoli: also a pack of bacon sliced up and fried, you could also use bacon cubes directly and fry and add them18:42
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tbrkimmoli: the freeze/simmer cycle improves taste a lot, also adding at least one glass of red wine boosts taste18:43
locusfit could start a scrub though18:43
kimmolitbr: that seems to be more that one serving ...18:44
tbrkimmoli: basically the meat content usually is christmas leftovers, I also threw in the remainder of our christmas ham18:45
tbrkimmoli: you can downscale this to one or two cans of sauerkraut18:45
kimmoliyeah, or use fresh cabbage18:45
tbrkimmoli: I just recounted what I did for this particular batch18:45
tbryou can use a mix of fresh and pickled cabbage, yes18:46
tbrI didn't bother18:46
kimmolii'll adapt...18:47
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kimmoliham leftovers are almost consumed18:47
cvp_\o/ :)18:47
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tbrkimmoli: it fulfills also the use that its easy and can be warmed many times (and improves through it). So it's a welcome thing after christmas to not have to cook18:48
tbrthat's why bigos is a popular new years eve dish essentially18:49
kimmolii'm not good in freezing and warming up food ...18:49
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kimmolias typically there is nothing left to freeze .)18:50
locusfbtrfs check --repair one last shot18:51
kimmolitbr: btw, are you able to check mer-obs is it healthy?18:52
tbrkimmoli: I don't have shell accounts there18:52
kimmoliah ok then18:53
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cvp_is this usefull to port hyperion to sailfish? https://github.com/Gamadril/hyperion-remote19:11
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kimmolimost helpful (for me) would be to have hyperion server setup :)19:15
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cvp_kimmoli, maybe you come up with the taste :)19:21
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temmi_mootbr cool recipe but why to rinse the food?19:26
r0kk3rzcvp_ its better than nothing I suppose19:27
r0kk3rzbut nothing really reusable19:27
temmi_mooand i agree, many foods have better taste the next day and some really benefit from freezing over19:27
temmi_mooproper fermented cabbage is among those19:27
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tbrtemmi_moo: no, it's a saying "rinse, repeat"19:27
temmi_moo:)19:28
tbrtemmi_moo: in this case the pot needs to go through 3-4 freeze and simmer cycles19:28
r0kk3rzim not used to this whole 'put food outside' thing19:28
r0kk3rzi know its fine, but you dont do such things in australia19:28
temmi_moor0kk3rz: it works better when outside is more or less the same thing as freezer is19:28
r0kk3rzyeah i know19:28
temmi_moosuch as now in .fi19:29
r0kk3rzwhy bother with freezer when outsize is a freezer19:29
tbrr0kk3rz: in australia outside is trying to kill you :)19:30
kimmolijust open the door and grab something to eat -works too?19:30
kimmolicvp_: i might be more interested to port hyperion on jolla/letoh19:31
temmi_mootbr: i prefer pig parts to karjalanpaisti19:31
Waiteekalakukko best19:32
kimmolithen the remote-app would make sense, or something to sync multiple letohs19:32
r0kk3rztoo many things called hyperion19:32
kimmolikarjalanpaisti -meat bits are multi-use19:32
r0kk3rzway too hard to googles19:33
kimmolihttps://github.com/tvdzwan/hyperion/wiki19:33
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cvp_r0kk3rz, ok :(19:33
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r0kk3rzkimmoli: hyperion on jolla/letoh sounds awesome19:34
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cvp_kimmoli, yeah true, this will be nice :) but, without a white background is it useless19:34
cvp_use letoh adresable leds?19:36
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kimmolikinda yes, but nothing like WS2801 e.g.19:38
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Obi-Lanwhat browser do you use in jolla?20:37
Obi-Lanstock sucks even with the latest20:37
Nc_Firefox20:37
lucky_lukethe default20:38
Nicd-android opera20:39
r0kk3rzyou can try webcat if you like20:39
r0kk3rzbut thats the only native game in town20:40
r0kk3rzjolla-browser and webcat20:40
lucky_lukedefault its ok20:40
ShadowJKandroid firefox stopped working for me20:40
r0kk3rzjolla-browser is a lot better than it used to be20:41
r0kk3rzand ive gotten used to its peculiarities20:41
HarhaanJohtajaanyone used WebPirate?20:42
Obi-Lanhow about this: dolphin.com20:43
Obi-Lantheres even .apk download20:43
Nicd-try it :P20:43
lucky_lukeapk on apndroid store too20:43
Obi-Lanyes, probably have to :P20:43
Obi-Lanoh cool it has lastpass addon20:45
cvp_HarhaanJohtaja, sometimes, ifme is boring.20:46
cvp_i use stadard browser, its good enouth20:46
lucky_lukebut we need a warehouse update20:49
lucky_lukewith the last os update crash all the time20:49
cvp_if you get a message that warehouse doent work or so, just wait, there workin in the background20:50
lucky_lukethey stop working and then after 2 mins close20:51
cvp_oh ok...20:51
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lucky_lukebb messenger works ?21:38
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Nc_Any ideas on how to get photos and screenshots to show up in the Gallery faster? Noticing it takes between a few 10s of minutes, to several hours :(21:50
tbrthere's probably a way to kick tracker21:52
kimmoliat least sailfish-utilities has clear-tracker-database option, work for that "minutes/hours"21:54
Nc_sailfish-utilities ?21:56
tevehttps://together.jolla.com/question/70567/bug-all-my-music-disappeared-how-to-get-it-back/21:56
r0kk3rzi havent had that much luck with the sailfish-utilities option21:56
r0kk3rzjust tracker-control -se21:56
r0kk3rzbut it depends on how much stuff you've got on your phone i guess21:57
kimmolisailfish utils uses -krs21:59
r0kk3rz-e drops the database22:01
Nicd-hmm22:02
Nicd-just plugged in a microsd that doesn't work on my jolla to my laptop22:02
Nicd-it opens fine but some folders are inaccessible22:02
Nicd-so I'm guessing the filesystem crapped out somehow22:02
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Nicd-but good to know that the card is alive at least22:03
Nc_'k...22:04
Nicd-didn't work on my ubuntu machine or the phone but OS X reads it22:05
Nicd-(it's fat32)22:05
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Aardmaybe osx does some automatic fsck on insertion because of all the idiots using it? :)22:08
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Nc_people commenting in the app-store about devs not responding to comments :(22:08
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Nicd-Aard: or maybe it just has the most robust implementation of them all :P22:15
AardNicd-: yeah, because apple is so well known for good implementations :p22:18
fennekkiApple made CUPS22:19
kimmolihttp://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards -- and all sd cards works...22:19
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fennekkihey, wait22:19
fennekkidoes Jolla support SDXC?22:20
Aardfennekki: trying to prove my point? :p22:20
fennekkiAard: in a sense! It works quite well, though.22:20
Aardfennekki: for sdxc, no, because we don't support exfat. if you format a large card with something else it should work, though22:20
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fennekkiah, right22:21
Aardfor cups, it either works quite well, or it's a big mess to get it running. I only use postscript printers, that takes most of the pain away22:21
fennekkiso it just uses SDHC support, internally?22:21
fennekkiI forgot exFAT is a part of the standard22:22
Aardwell, we don't announce it (and don't do regular tests with big cards), but I know that several people have it working22:22
fennekkiby that point I'd just put an actual modern filesystem on it anyway22:22
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fennekkino, I mean that the larger sizes are supported technically in the driver, presumably22:23
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Aardthe cups guys fucked something up related to dithering a few years back. I have a pcl laser printer from I think 1992, excellent print results with the old lpd and very, very early cups, but nowadays the only somewhat acceptable printing on that is black and white text22:25
fennekkihum22:26
fennekkiodd22:27
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krnlyng|mobileis there a way to (temporarily) disable the oom killer?23:32
krnlyng|mobilei'd like to do some very memory heavy stuff on the terminal but my application gets killed after a while (only since update 10)23:33
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M4rtinKkrnlyng_: check https://together.jolla.com/question/72016/browser-and-oom-handling-with-update-10/?comment=73891#comment-7389123:35
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krnlyng|mobileM4rtinK: thanks23:38
salyavinYea oom killer is horrible on u10.  tweeked a bunch of stuff and it's back like before u10.  n900 was really good at it out of the box.23:40
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salyavinsetting discussions also here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94358&page=623:41
salyavinon oom killer23:42
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