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msvb-labPeeps.12:09
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temmi_mooell-i site controller now supports commanding dali systems12:25
MikaelaHi, I ordered Jolla recently, but it hasn't arrived yet and I was wondering two things:12:26
Mikaela1. How does Jolla behave with wireless networks that have multiple hotspots (with same SSID)? Android ties itself to one and uses it (until connection is fully lost) even if you are next to another hotspot unless you root and edit one file (and then have to put networks there by hand or the networks aren't remembered).12:26
temmi_mooif you think houm.io is cool but would like more open source, come to #ELL-i12:26
Mikaela2. Is there any web interface or list of apps in the Jolla Store? I can only find Jolla shop for ordering it and Jolla Harbour which seems to be for software developers.12:26
temmi_moooh hi mikaela12:27
temmi_mooi have a pipo you'd like12:27
Mikaelahi, your nick seems familiar12:27
MikaelaI think that I already disappeared from that channel at some point while cleaning network/channel lists12:28
temmi_moofrom #helsinkihacklab and #weechat12:28
Mikaela(pipo is beanie, I believe by the way)12:28
MikaelaI did disappear from #helsinkihacklab, but I am at #weechat where I was recently made register #weechat-fi12:28
MikaelaI could actually reappear there as it still seems the closest hacklab that I could visit12:29
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kimmoliMikaela: 1. we have this configuration at office, and seems it roams kinda well there (if i go by stairs) elevator seems to be no-go if i want to keep all connections active13:09
Mikaela:)13:09
kimmoli2. no web interface for seeing apps in store, only available through phone13:10
tbrfor once connman is good at something? unpossible!13:10
kimmolitbr:  :p13:10
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Yanielhuh, that is connman's doing?13:10
Mikaelaok, thanks :)13:10
kimmolii have seen some self-maintained lists but it was long time ago13:11
kimmolitbr: big flush there13:11
kimmolitbr: it has improved, earlier i had to restart as-daemon to get it syncin in another floor13:12
MikaelaI have two hotspots at home, because one ethernet cable goes to my room downstairs and without having another AP there, I don't have enough signal for anything there and it also seems to help other devices there. There are also multiple hotspots at school.13:12
kimmoliif the network itself is properly managed/configured, it should work13:13
tbrkimmoli: yeah, seems we had a "sizeable flush" for "small business" ;)13:13
kimmoliwe have some hp-stuff managing that, with annoyance: 13 hotspots and license for 12 - one random is offline13:14
tbro.O13:14
kimmolior that was explanation of our it13:15
MikaelaI believe at least my home network is and with editing that file school network worked properly.13:15
MikaelaOh, that reminds me of another question, is there any app that automatically logins to wifi networks which ask for password in web browser? I had some app for android as it's annoying to type that at the school network which doesn't even have so strong password and is supposed to be open for students.13:15
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bjornDoes anybody know why the Jolla, when for whatever reason it thinks the SIM card has been removed, wants me to restart the phone?17:17
bjornBecause at least for me it's enough to "activate the SIM card" again in the settings.17:17
bjornWould be much nicer if it would take me there in the first place, instead of suggesting a restart.17:18
cryoratairplane mode?17:18
cryoraton/off17:18
bjornNo. It seems to just lose contact to the SIM card sometimes.17:18
cryoratCPE error :D17:18
bjornWhat?17:18
cryoratCPE is a name for the end user provided stuff17:19
cryoratthe term is used mostly at ISPs and call CPE error if the user complaining for something that is not the ISPs fault(router/ laptop etc17:20
bjornRight, it seems more like a hardware problem.17:21
Nicd-bjorn: I think it's a "better safe than sorry" feature17:21
Nicd-the only phone I know with hot swappable SIM cards is the iphone17:21
bjornWell and Jolla...17:21
Nicd-not really hot swappable if it tells you to reboot17:21
bjornBut it's just what it tells you.17:21
Nicd-you might wanna talk to care about your SIM card holder17:22
Nicd-I had mine fixed in warranty17:22
bjornYeah... it's the main reason why I still need to rely on my S3 if I want to be reachable.17:22
bjornBecause I am unreachable until I discover that the SIM card has disconnected again.17:22
bjornErm, they say it's a 12 month warranty.17:24
bjornI think I've been sitting on this problem for too long then...17:24
cryoratbjorn, rub steel wool on your simcard17:24
cryoratmaybe its a bit oxidized and the contact is bad17:25
bjornWell it works fine in my other phone...17:25
bjornBut I can try.17:25
Stskeepsbjorn: contact care for sim card issues17:25
Stskeepssuch as that17:25
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bjornOk, I'm reading up on this care thing now.17:26
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Stskeepsdid they contact regarding this issue specifically17:26
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faenilno talk from Jolla this year at FOSDEM?17:49
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Stskeepsi think david has one?17:50
Stskeepshttps://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/track/embedded/17:50
cryoratfaenil, they are busy with whipping chinese children at the tablet factory :)))17:50
faenilcryorat, hehe17:51
Nicd-cryorat: no, foxconn handles all that17:51
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faenilStskeeps, ah ok, cool17:52
tiwakeand they have nets around the building to catch those trying to flee17:52
faenilStskeeps, not from Jolla though17:53
Stskeepstiwake: so not unlike jolla offices?17:53
Stskeepsfaenil: meh, we're open source people.. you can't go too much marketing at fosdem17:54
faenilStskeeps, mmm :)17:54
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/17:54
cryoratStskeeps, lot of companies does that17:54
Stskeepssure17:54
tiwakeStskeeps: I thought that was indoctrination, so they believe the outside world is even worse17:54
Stskeepsdoesn't mean we feel good about it17:54
Stskeeps:P17:54
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r0kk3rzStskeeps: jolla tablet still using hybris?19:03
faenilmm documents app doesn't see the email attachment I've just downloaded :(19:03
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Stskeepsr0kk3rz: it's in my blog, i think19:07
r0kk3rzi just saw a note on lbt's fosdem talk19:07
r0kk3rzi would have thought intel platform would help the whole driver issue, but maybe not19:08
tiwakewhen was the tentative shipping time for the tablet?19:08
faeniltiwake, May/June at the beginning, now it's Q2, so somewhere between April and Aug19:09
faenil(end of Aug)19:09
tiwakefaenil: oh ok, so they made it a wider shipping date range19:09
locusfgood thing that lbt's talk is just before qwazix's talk :)19:10
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r0kk3rzhah19:11
r0kk3rzpersonally I welcome Tizen19:12
r0kk3rzif we can have 3 linux based OS's fighting for an interoperability based model rather than a vertical integration walled garden model19:13
r0kk3rzthen i see that as best for everyone19:13
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faenillocusf, oh cool!19:14
locusfI only got 6 talks on my list in fosdem companion :p19:15
faenilhehe19:15
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* stephg is pleased with himself, solved a config bug that's been bothering him for over a week, opens beer20:32
the_mgtcheers20:34
Stskeepsburp20:34
attahbeer <320:34
attahwhat if we would be able to pledge beer for bugfixes on TJC...?20:35
Stskeepsoh boy, you might actually get things done20:36
Stskeeps:P20:36
attahyeah.. that's my point..20:36
svuorelaStskeeps: I'll pledge you a beer for fixing 'opensource the silica components' :P20:37
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stephg"alcohol: the cause of and solution to all life's problems"20:38
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Stskeepssvuorela: i can promise that when/if that happens, i will have quite a few20:41
Stskeeps:P20:41
svuorelaStskeeps: for how many days will you be drunk when/if that happens? :P20:43
r0kk3rzi think the real question is, how drunk do we have to get stskeeps so he accidentally uploads the whole thing to github20:47
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Stskeepsthe richard stallman peak?20:48
attahwhere is that? 2x Ballmer peak?20:49
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attahi once heard someone had hooked up a breathalyzer to git, and now i know why...20:50
kimmoliyou talking the finnihs way to solve problem? http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/av0y2zq_700b_v2.jpg20:51
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r0kk3rzim not sure how bbq leads to solution20:53
r0kk3rzmore australian thing would be have bbq, at least 6 beers, and say "she'll be right"20:54
kimmoliit is always good weather for bbq20:54
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TemeVjust keep in mind, that beer is a solution20:55
TemeV...of mostly water and alchol20:55
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TemeVhow do I disconnect my computer from network with this "modern desktop linux" (Mint 17)?20:58
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TemeVifdown eth0 doesn't work20:58
TemeVand I can't find tool for this in KDE20:58
r0kk3rzunplug?20:59
attahscrewdriver? axe?20:59
r0kk3rznuke from orbit?20:59
TemeVI guess those would work20:59
coderusno idea about mint, but kde using network manager, isn't it?20:59
TemeVbut really, why did they break ifdown21:00
r0kk3rzbecause lennart decided it wasnt good enough21:00
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attahit's systemd and illuminati..21:00
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TemeVthere seems to be network-manager package installed21:01
coderusTemeV: you using headless? no dm?21:02
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TemeVdm?21:02
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kimmolinmcli nm enable false - or something?21:03
coderusyou using text mode?21:03
TemeVno, normal desktop21:03
coderuswhy not to use Network Manager plasma widget?21:03
TemeVoh, it works with a widget21:04
TemeVI was searching for it from system settings21:04
coderusLOL:D>:D21:04
TemeVthanks coderus :)21:04
coderusfirst time in kde?21:04
TemeVI'm really newbie with KDE21:04
coderuskde is not "modern desktop linux"21:04
juicemecoderus, hiya :)21:04
TemeVwell, I just meant it as a joke, since "traditional" things are not working anymore21:05
kimmolijuiceme: got mail?21:05
coderuskde is smart desktop linux21:05
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coderusjuiceme: hiya?21:05
juicemekimmoli, not yet. expecting the package soon21:05
TemeVnetwork settings are not in /etc/networking/interfaces anymore etc21:05
juicemecoderus, how was your drive back home, tired still?21:05
kimmolijuiceme: someone got it already on friday, shipped on thu21:06
coderusjuiceme: yeah, a bit21:06
coderusTemeV: its just using network manager :)21:06
juicemekimmoli well it might be in the mail, the mailroom makes deliveries to offices only every second day or someting. related to some savings I guess :)21:06
juicemecoderus good to hear you got back safely anyway :)21:07
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coderusjuiceme: thanks :)21:08
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RavenholmDXAny word on more batteries being made available?23:11
coderusnew batteries costs 250 euros. and you will get free Jolla without battery.23:13
RavenholmDXlol23:14
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RavenholmDXcoderus, don't tempt me23:14
RavenholmDXI actually considered it for a minute23:15
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kaolThe Other Battery.23:19
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coderusRavenholmDX: i'm just joking :D23:23
RavenholmDXI know, but I'm silly enough to do it :P23:24
Nightmare__at least you get a lime and pink toh for free too :D23:26
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RavenholmDXHaha, Nightmare__23:26
RavenholmDXNah, I wish23:26
RavenholmDXgoing to the US in two weeks, so I'm broke :p23:27
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NijuHi, really tempted to in ahead and order the jolla. Just wondering if people thinking should wait in case there is a new model or just in ahead and join the fun. :P23:29
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Nightmare__imho they don't have time for the tablet and new phone, but who knows23:34
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NijuI was sort of hoping that they would focus on the os, and hence the phone anyway.23:37
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RavenholmDXNiju, wait until March23:43
RavenholmDXthey may announce a phone at MWC23:43
RavenholmDXif not, it'll be at Slush I reckon23:43
NijuThe only thing with that is that a newer model will probably cost more and i'll be short changed the next while23:44
NijuI'm not a spec hound so I'm not particularly bothered with the current models specs23:45
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NijuJust wanna know if battery life is ok23:45
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coderusNicd-: couple of days if not playing android  games23:55
coderuscrap tab again :D23:56
coderusNiju: ^ :)23:56
NijuHuh?23:56
coderusNiju: battery life23:56
NijuI got disconnected so missed what you said23:57
coderuscouple of days if not playing android games23:57
NijuAh right I got you now lol23:57
NijuI don't play android games23:57
coderuscool then :)23:57
NijuGood to know :)23:58
NijuAre you the guy doing the whatsapp client?23:58
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