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artemmaPeople tell that at least one of my apps (Night Silence) doesn't work on latest OS and I am not into finding time for fixing it :/13:54
artemmaWould be good if i could mark in Harbour which OS version the app is for13:54
artemmaor maybe it could be even auto-suggested based on some testing and/or user complains?13:54
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kimmoliartemma: harbour has now such system, for marking supported os versions14:10
artemmaoh, that's cool! lemme try..14:10
artemmahmm, can't see how to edit it..14:11
artemmaor maybe it's for new submissions only14:11
artemmathough how would a new submission know that it's incompatible with the future OS version?14:12
kimmoliafaik it shows the selection when you update binary14:12
artemmahmm, if I upload app now (update 10 times), how would I know if it can run of the future update 11?14:13
artemmaon* the future update 11?14:13
Peperwell it surely will only show compatible w/ u10 and you have to change it manually14:15
PeperAt least that's what I'm thinking14:15
kimmoliyou can choose compatibility with u11 already, or leave from/to unselected to allow all version14:17
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artemmahow could I possibly know if it's compatible with the future or not?14:21
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kimmolijust make your educated guess ?14:22
kimmolior; just allow it. if it doesn't work when update comes out, limit the version, make a fix, and allow version again ?14:24
kimmoliafaik, this doesn't have affect on already installed apps, only new installs (affects app visibility in store)14:25
kimmoli(if my afaik is wrong, someone correct me ... )14:26
* artemma thinks it would be more useful to edit such metadata for existing apps. You know, when I notice it doesn't work for update 11, I disable it for update 1114:33
artemmaor possibly even app store moderator could notice it and disable (that's how Apple is doing)14:33
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M4rtinKartemma: that's not a good idea, like any Apple appstore related thing :)15:03
artemmaM4rtinK: why?15:05
artemmaI mean you don't hate good ideas just because they come from Apple, right?15:05
M4rtinKlast thing we need is some third party without real knowledge disabling apps left and right15:06
M4rtinKalso, does not Jolla limit the Harbor dependencies so much as no nearly make Harbor apps useless to prevent stuff like this happening ?15:07
M4rtinK*from happening15:07
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M4rtinKso your issue it can't happen and we don't need to worry about this :)15:07
artemmaoh, interesting point of view15:07
* artemma would actually love to have somebody else clean out apps I cannot use15:08
artemmadependency tracking is first step only (useful though)15:08
M4rtinKwell I would be ok if the maintainer/author is contacted first about it15:08
artemmae.g. gconf lib might still "work", but keys changed so app doesn't do what it promises anymore (I guess that's what happened to Night Silence in update 10)15:09
M4rtinKand there is enough time before the notification and app being removed15:09
M4rtinKthat's how it works in Linux distros and I'm fine with it15:09
M4rtinKwhat I don't want is some moderator removing apps at random without consulting the authors and giving them time to react15:10
artemmasounds good to me15:10
* artemma anyway doesn't expect jolla moderators to have much time for testing15:11
artemmamost important would be for app submitter to be able to change compatible versions list after app is in-store already15:11
artemmaand maybe to have different build for different OS versions15:11
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artemmaif Harbour can help with automated hints (e.g. "Users seem to think your app doesn't work in update 11") that'd be useful, though secondary15:12
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TheRandomDudeHow dust/waterproof is the jolla, and how robust is it? My previous device was suitable for breaking walls, but now it died.15:57
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ortylpTheRandomDude: my devices need to survive multiple flights on to concrete surfaces from about 1.2m hight.  The cover and edges are already ruined, but the screen has no scratches and the device works15:59
TrezkerMine has dropped twice, only from chair height but still... not a mark on it.16:01
TemeVit has detachable back cover so it isn't very waterproof16:01
Trezkerdamn clothesmakers can't make pockets that can keep stuff inside16:01
TemeVbut my Jolla got pretty damn wet once, and it seems it didn't bother16:02
TemeVI'd say Jolla is quite mediocre on robustness. Nothing special but not bad16:05
japa-fiI've been trying to figure out the xmpp support on jolla. I came to conlusion that without creating account and addinng contacts on some other device you are out of luck. Ie with jolla you can't start from scratch and add new xmpp contact or send messages to previously unknown xmpp contacts. Am I correct?16:06
ninnnuTrezker: Damn smartphone-owners who want unfashionable and ugly large pockets. ;P16:07
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cryoratTheRandomDude, so you need a Mjölnir TOH16:38
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StskeepsWhatsApp is locking out users for 24 hours who use WhatsApp Plus to access the service. The company claims they brought in the temporary ban to make users aware that they are not using the correct version and their privacy could be comprised using the unofficial WhatsApp Plus. "Starting today, we are taking aggressive action against unauthorized apps and alerting the people who use them."17:17
Nicd-wish there was a tox client already :/17:18
Stskeepsof all the excuses..17:18
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mornfallStskeeps: this is the one companies always pick17:24
mornfalleven DRM exists to protect you, in case you didn't know17:24
mornfallStskeeps: btw. is that a copy-paste? because it should read compromised not comprised17:25
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Stskeepsit is17:26
Stskeepsslashdot17:26
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Nc_Stskeeps, thinking we need to pummel WhatsApp with requests for an official Sailfish release ... (not that I use WhatsApp, but, hey)17:29
Stskeepswrong tree to bark up against17:29
Stskeeps:P17:29
* Nc_ just likes barking17:30
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Nc_On a completely unrelated note - have anyone looked at IFTTT support for Jolla?17:31
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Stskeepsisn't it a closed app?17:32
Stskeepsi like the concept though17:32
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NC__Stskeeps, was that in reply to my question, or...?17:35
Stskeepsyes17:35
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NC__not sure what you mean "closed app" - they don't appear to have a public API, instead leaning on the APIs of those they interface to17:36
NC__but since they have Android+iPhone, I'm thinking they must have some kind of API17:36
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* NC__ shrugs - mostly a brainfart/curiousity, since I don't have the skills to write it myself :)17:39
Mikaela"closed app" = not FOSS (free open source software)17:40
Mikaelaor at least I guess that is what is being meant17:40
Mikaelas/guess/think/17:40
NC__:)17:40
NC__since it would mostly just be used as a service, not too bothered17:40
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MikaelaI am missing Pushover more, but since I broke my znc a little it's not so important17:43
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mornfallthings like ifttt are mostly glue17:44
mornfallfor each service you can query it needs a bit of code to make that possible, which is specific to that service17:45
mornfallin this case it probably also comes with a natural-alike query language (remember sql) :P17:46
NC__glue is good17:47
mornfallbut could be javascript or python or anything, in principle17:47
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mornfallNC__: glue is bad, because it regularly unsticks :P17:47
mornfall(every time the upstream service changes their interfaces)17:47
NC__Glue is good - interface changes bad :p17:47
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Stskeepso/ Sfiet_Konstantin19:57
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