#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2015-01-31

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Lucky_lukeskype take 6% of my ram01:14
Lucky_lukewith pgone start01:14
Lucky_lukenever open it01:14
Lucky_lukeany solution?01:14
Lucky_lukeand lipstick 15%01:16
fennekkiWhat is the issue01:17
fennekkiare you running out of RAM01:17
Lucky_luke32k free01:19
Lucky_lukemaybe del aliendav ?01:19
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fennekkithat you have X amount free doesn't mean you're running out if nothing actively needs more RAM01:47
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dunpwhy microsoft dount give money for jolla if it gives to Cyanogen04:37
dunphttp://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/29/microsoft-to-invest-in-rogue-android-startup-cyanogen/04:38
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SK_Sailfish_morning07:17
Teemumoarningu07:18
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Morpog_PCI'm a bit disappointed to see no official exFAT support in tablet. I for myself won't need it, but I guess alot of mainstream users will.08:23
Morpog_PCpvuorela, is it possible to force a maliit layout to use a different default selection for accented popup?08:28
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Morpog_PCfor example, I moved the german umlaute (Ü, Ö, Ä) to U, O, A as accents, so when I long press U I would like to have Ü as default selection08:29
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SK_Sailfishmorning from fosdem08:39
SK_Sailfishsitting with faenil08:39
SK_Sailfishin jansen08:39
Morpog_PCmorning guys, have fun there :D08:39
SK_Sailfish:)08:39
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StskeepsSK_Sailfish_: at fosdem at 9:40am? oh that's brave08:43
Stskeeps:P08:43
SK_Sailfish_Stskeeps: :p still at hotel ?08:43
Stskeepsyeah, leaving soon08:44
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SK_Sailfish_:)08:44
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dunpi have no need to exfat nice if it works with large ext4 or btrfs08:56
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r0kk3rzits linux, it will work with anything08:57
pvuorelaMorpog_PC: currently not possible, but acknowledged that should allow to define the base position.08:57
r0kk3rzjust dont take it out and put it in anything else08:57
dunpmake it look like network share when plug it to computer usb :) for windows users08:57
r0kk3rzdunp: MTP will take care of that08:57
pvuorelaMorpog_PC: well, can change the order of accents so some specific character ends up above key button, but that works by chance.08:58
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dunpi like more raw acces  like filesystem.. use normal console commands etc..08:58
dunpif share internet why nyt make a shered drive too :)08:59
r0kk3rzive certainly used scp before09:00
r0kk3rzdont need no cables09:00
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dunpyeah but native support to windows users too if primary internet connect is phone.. you share phone to laptop so why not share fs "samba"09:01
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r0kk3rzthats too complicated for a lot of people09:03
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r0kk3rzbut if you had some kind of discovery app09:03
Morpog_PCpvuorela, thanks for heads up, so chances to get that in future seems good :D09:03
r0kk3rzthat you load up, finds your jolla-tab on the network09:04
r0kk3rzand opens it up09:04
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tbrcommunity events for fosdem announced! https://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/?answer=75579#post-id-7557909:40
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* Stskeeps clicks 'yes' to are you going10:08
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r0kk3rzare you sure thats wise Stskeeps?10:13
Stskeepsquite10:13
r0kk3rzgiven some of the heated debates we've had here in irc10:13
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r0kk3rzalthough people should be happy about the no exfat thing10:13
* Stskeeps doesn't see exfat on the topic10:15
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r0kk3rzsince when does the agenda cover everything?10:15
Stskeepsfair10:15
tbrr0kk3rz: face to face discussions are a whole different ball game10:18
Stskeepsyeah, you can bring physical pitchforks10:20
Stskeeps:P10:20
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Stskeepstbr: didn't you say 4pm?10:22
Stskeepsi see 5pm and 5:30pm here10:22
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tbrI hope to see things addressed that in the past were at core of heated discussion, but can be just unrolled and addressed10:23
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Stskeepstbr: finnish timezone?10:25
tbrStskeeps: argh10:25
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tadzikso, where's the Mer/Sailfish/Jolla stand on FOSDEM? :)10:30
Stskeepsthere's none i think - you're here?10:30
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r0kk3rzthis is true, nerds are usually a little more tame when they arent behind their keyboards10:31
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Stskeepsr0kk3rz: it depends from person to person10:32
r0kk3rzas always10:32
tbrfile not found10:32
gogetahi tbr 16:00 event will be streamed ?10:33
Stskeepsit'd be lucky if wifi even works there10:33
Stskeepswhich is good, people have to talk to eachother10:33
tadzikStskeeps: yeah, in the Perl devroom10:35
Stskeepstadzik: cool10:35
tadzikI have a talk later today, still finishing my slides :P10:35
Stskeepsi can't promise i'll go watch a perl talk10:36
Stskeeps:P10:36
tadzikoh, good, you'll save me the stress :P10:36
SK_Sailfish_perl ... :/10:36
gogetaSK_Sailfish_, tastes ...10:37
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Stskeepstbr: got notification that time was changed10:39
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Stskeeps(good)10:39
SK_Sailfishgogeta: perl is a bit more about taste :)10:39
Stskeepshttps://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/embedded_freedom/ - this event should be interesting10:40
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tbrStskeeps: yes, net suxx, as you know, took me a while10:42
Stskeepstbr: i think i'm right in the signal path from where i'm sitting10:42
Stskeepstime to stream some 1080p content.. :P10:42
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tbrStskeeps: eeeevil ;)10:48
Stskeepsi do occasionally wonder if it would be possible to set up a custom 4g network and give out sims here..10:49
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ShadowJKObviously the solution is to give everyone high power 4g mifis with wifi signal boosters10:52
ShadowJKblot out wifi spectrum for miles10:52
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tbrStskeeps: CCC events do such stuff, although for now it's GSM only IIRC10:55
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r0kk3rzanyone come across cross compiling issues with qt before....10:56
r0kk3rzresulting in a broken qstring10:56
r0kk3rzlots of warnings: usr/include/qt5/QtCore/qstring.h:305:14: note: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.410:56
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SK_Sailfishr0kk3rz: these warnings are not dangerous10:57
SK_Sailfishr0kk3rz: must be something else10:58
r0kk3rzthey arent? hmms, program appears to be segfaulting on qstring10:58
Mikaelawhat is wrong with Jolla and captive portals?10:59
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Mikaelaweb browser jumps very often to ask me to login to nonexistant captive portal11:00
frieseHei guys, i'm planning on buying a second jolla for my mother. Are there any discounts right now (apart from the 249€ with 3 TOHs-Deal)?11:00
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Mikaelabut I am already logged in abd the browser just loads uninteresting jolla.com ads11:01
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MikaelaI will write bugreport tonight when I get to computer11:03
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Mikaelacorrection; no ads. the browsdr just says loading forever11:05
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Stskeepsmoo Venemo11:08
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MikaelaI am now wasting mobille data as using bus or scool wlans is impossible11:12
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Mikaelaunless web browser windows jumping around don't  bother you11:13
StskeepsMikaela: i presume you're on latest version?11:13
Mikaelavaarainjärvi11:13
Mikaelano updateds available, last checked just now11:14
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Mikaelait also looks like I must  order tohkbd as fingerterm vkbd is heorrible11:15
Stskeepswe should really just finish the silica port at some point of that..11:16
Yanielnow that one was horrible last time I tried11:16
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Yanielbut that was quite a while ago, I should probably try it again someday11:17
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MikaelaWhat is silica? I sm not sure if I understand google11:21
Mikaelawarehouse search has too many results too11:23
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Venemohey Stskeeps :)11:23
StskeepsMikaela: silica is the ui component set of sailfishos11:23
Stskeepssailfish silica11:23
MikaelaI see. Silica port of what? fingerterm?11:24
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Stskeepsyeah11:24
Stskeepsfingerterm is btw open source, as a sidenote11:25
Stskeepsso you can probably customize it to your needs11:25
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Mikaelano skills11:25
Stskeepshttps://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm/blob/master/data/english.layout as well11:26
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MikaelaI don't know if changing layout helps11:27
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Mikaelacan typing noise be set to lower volume? it hurts my ears with earbuds11:28
MikaelaI sm listening to music with volume 1 and the noise is too much11:28
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Mikaelaother touchscreen sounds to11:30
Mikaeladid I mention that I have asperger's syndrome including over sensitive hearing11:31
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Stskeepsyou didn't, but i know the problem -- i would imagine it should be possible to tune somewhere11:31
Stskeepsi personally disable touchscreen sounds11:32
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Stskeepsand rely only on vibration11:32
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MikaelaThe only thing I see is ringtone volume. I did that now too, but would like some kind of sound too.11:32
Mikaelasorry, I probably haven't talked very nicely today11:33
ShadowJKI don't have phenomenal hearing, but I find volume level 1 too loud on most devices11:34
StskeepsMikaela: ah, don't worry, you're doing fine11:34
Stskeepsthere's nothing wrong in noting your issues with a device or how it behaves11:34
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Stskeepsif people are afraid to talk about the issues with sw, how are we to get good bug reports or improvement points :)11:34
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ShadowJKit's actually hard though, electrically, to make audio that is good across wide range of volume11:35
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HtheBwho is at fosdem?11:36
HtheBcybette?11:37
Stskeepsseveral people11:37
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Stskeepsyou too?11:37
HtheByeah11:37
Stskeepsah, me too11:37
HtheBwhere are you? xD11:37
Stskeepswatching f*watch talk11:37
Stskeepsnote https://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/11:37
HtheBhmm, doesnt say anything about f*waych :p11:39
HtheBt11:39
Stskeepsdespite what it looks like, i have life outside jolla :P11:39
HtheBhahhah11:39
Stskeepshttps://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/gps_watch/11:39
Stskeepsnext up david's talk in embedded room11:39
StskeepsMikaela: i don't at the moment have any idea where to tune those volumes but if you raise a together.* topic, others may know11:40
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Stskeepsand if that fails, we can prod our audio guy11:41
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Mikaelanot possible until around 23+020011:42
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Stskeepsnod11:42
Stskeepsmany of us are at FOSDEM so i doubt much would move anyway11:42
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MikaelaI am just going to Helsinki for peer supöort group11:46
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Mikaelait appears that ringtone volume controls communi's highlight volume, but not keyboard typing noise11:54
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tadzikit is actually called "fuckwatch", or it's literally a *? :)12:01
Stskeepstadzik: maybe a bit of unfounded FOSS matching12:01
Stskeeps:P12:01
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Mikaelahow are jollas tested? maybe you should consider being in onnibus for two hours with only Jolla and earbuds :)12:02
Stskeepswell, i'm sure sage tests that once in a while12:02
tadzikheh12:02
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mcfriskgo lbt12:20
rysiek|plwhy leave out "g" and "q"12:22
Stskeepshum?12:22
rysiek|plnvm, bad joke12:23
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Mikaelamy head does that too12:26
Mikaelalesbian bi trans12:26
Stskeepslbt is little blue thing12:26
Stskeeps:P12:26
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Mikaelathat says nothing to me12:29
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Mikaelarysiek|pl also forgot I12:31
Mikaelawhere is tab on this normal keyboard by the way?12:32
rysiek|plMikaela: how did I forget You?12:32
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Mikaelai, intersex12:32
MikaelaLGBTIQ12:32
rysiek|ploh, interesting, didn't know that, thanks!12:32
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Mikaelayou're welcome12:33
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Mikaelathat is actually my destination12:34
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r0kk3rzlump all of the disorders together! despite them being very different12:38
Mikaelathey aren't disorders12:38
r0kk3rzsome are, some arent12:39
Stskeepsand this is when we went off topic.12:39
Stskeeps:P12:39
MikaelaI cannot see disorders in those letters12:40
Mikaelaseems so12:40
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r0kk3rztrans and intersex are definitely disorders, we just dont know what causes them yet12:41
MikaelaI am trans...12:41
r0kk3rzyour point being?12:42
Mikaelaand going to peer support group12:42
Stskeepsr0kk3rz, Mikaela: this is quite off topic for here, you're welcome to continue the conversation elsewhere.12:42
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Mikaelathat it's transphobia etc. which kill12:42
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MikaelaI have no motivation to continue thid12:43
Stskeeps:nod:12:43
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HtheBugh12:47
HtheBwifi sucks here12:47
HtheBStskeeps, you at the lobby?12:47
HtheBcybette? :p12:47
HtheBand does someone know if dirkvl is also here?12:48
HtheBno one? xD12:49
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kimmoli:(12:49
HtheBkimmoli?12:49
kimmolii'm not there12:49
HtheBaaww12:49
HtheBbut dirk should be right?12:49
HtheBhe said he was going to leave on friday12:49
kimmolidunno, last msg from him was "uch, throat infection #timing #fosdem"12:50
HtheBi wish i could at least meet some jolla guys before leaving fosdem :(12:50
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HtheBwho else is at fosdem....12:53
HtheBi wish there was some meeting point... :p12:53
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HtheB?12:58
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HtheBM4rtinK_jolla_ problems with your wifi?13:05
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vichoHtheB: there is a round table at 16:00 in H.322713:08
vichoHtheB: https://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/?answer=75572#post-id-7557213:08
HtheByeah but i dont think i could stay at that time :(13:09
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HtheBugh13:13
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HtheBi wish jolla or maemo had its own stand13:13
HtheBhey dirk,13:13
HtheBat fosdem?13:13
kimmoliyes he is :)13:14
dirkvl_yes i am here13:14
HtheBwaar ben je?13:14
HtheBwould be cool to see you here :D13:14
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T-Dahghey guys13:19
T-Dahgi'm at fosdem at the moment, but can't seem to find the jolla boot13:20
T-Dahg*booth13:20
T-Dahgdo you maybe know where it is? ;)13:20
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HarhaanJohtajai guess there is no jolla booth13:25
kimmoliVenemo: Start SDK, click help on sidebar, last item from contents "Sailfish silica reference"13:26
Venemokimmoli: why?13:26
Venemokimmoli: what?13:26
kimmolifor the silica ref?13:26
Venemoyou read my message on the mailing list13:26
Venemowell, I can find it by pressing F1 in Qt Creator13:27
Venemobut13:27
VenemoI would expect to find it at sailfishos.org too13:27
kimmolii assume it will be there after polishing13:27
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Venemolet's hope so13:34
HtheBStskeeps, you there?13:35
* HtheB and dirkvl_ are seeking you13:35
HtheBecho....13:37
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HtheB:D13:45
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SageMikaela: should be fine though I have note tested. I've used onniexpress here though in those used mostly 3g/4g.13:56
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Gordon`hi14:17
Gordon`can anybody tell me what are the purchase delays thoses days for a Jolla?14:17
Gordon`I recently broke mine, and, with the actual discount code, it could be worth the price to buy a new one if I can get it quick time14:18
Gordon`then send my old one to repair, and sell it14:19
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Nicd-is there a discount code currently?14:23
kimmoliNicd-: according to twitter, FOSDEM201514:25
Nicd-ah14:25
Nicd-can't tell my brother, he'd be pissed :D he just bought one14:25
Gordon`"yep14:25
Gordon`hehe14:25
Gordon`Nicd-: has he received it yet?14:26
Nicd-yeah14:26
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Gordon`how long did it take? And in which country is he?14:26
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Nicd-dunno how long, he's in Finland14:27
Nicd-don't know if he bought from the online store at all14:27
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Gordon`o14:27
Gordon`ok*14:27
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Unicycle_Hi. i this is the place to arrange a seat at the dinner? i'd like to come also. if possible then i'd like menu 116:14
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r0kk3rzUnicycle_: best stick it onto the tjc item16:18
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r0kk3rzor ping lbt16:23
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Sfiet_Konstantinpersonnal note: ping Aard for the security features for SailfishOS16:26
falfayeah, where are they?16:35
Sfiet_Konstantinfalfa: lbt_away is at FOSDEM ATM16:36
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falfa:-)16:47
falfai was looking for some description of the security features :-)16:47
specialSfiet_Konstantin: what about them?16:52
special(I'm focusing on security these days)16:52
Sfiet_Konstantinspecial: when will "privileged" die :D ?16:53
specialas quickly as I can kill it16:53
tadziksoo, no way to solve and deduplicate favourite talks in the fosdem app?16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinmore seriously, how would it work ? from the core (system level), to ui ?16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can start with core16:53
specialmy current plan, which is still in the "ideas and prototypes" stage (soon to become "actually a proposal")16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinspecial: what kind of stuff did you explored ?16:54
Sfiet_Konstantinand, is it night in the states ? or are you temporarily swedish ?16:54
specialis that we get selinux working, then replace 'privileged' with selinux policy16:54
specialI'm in Thailand, actually16:54
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Sfiet_Konstantin:D16:54
specialand eventually..16:55
specialI have thoughts on how we can build a full application permissions framework with user granting and all, primarily using selinux16:55
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Sfiet_Konstantin:)16:56
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Sfiet_KonstantinI'm waiting for the proposal16:56
specialI was hoping to have it done by now, but then I left for my holiday and it was _much_ more pleasant than anticipated16:56
specialso it's been very hard to get anything else done16:56
dr_gogeta86_jollSfiet_Konstantin: some resume of community meeting?16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, technically, holidays are made for resting16:57
dr_gogeta86_jolli was sleeping due drugs16:57
Sfiet_Konstantindr_gogeta86_joll: tbr has posted a small part on TJC16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinbut there are ore stuff16:58
specialI'm here for a full month, I can't rest that long16:58
specialit would kill me16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinspecial: is this vacation ? :D16:58
specialmhm16:58
specialremember, I'm an american16:58
specialwe don't understand vacations the way that europe does16:58
specialwe do it as "I'll be away for a few days, but you can reach me by email or call [...] if it's an emergency and I'll check in every 36 hours"16:59
r0kk3rzyeah thats a 'just america' type of thing17:00
specialI just can't do the "drop everything" style of holiday :p17:00
r0kk3rzthe rest of the world actually takes a break17:00
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specialbut, it turns out that thai beaches are fantastic and I could spend the entire month with cocktails and books17:02
dr_gogeta86_jollspecial I'm italian and I work twice during holidays17:02
dr_gogeta86_jollespecially when someone replace me17:03
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dr_gogeta86_jollfor the record i was an call for 5 h on 31st dicember for D&R testing17:04
dr_gogeta86_jolldepends on how much jerk are your customers17:04
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tiwakespecial: heh... yeah.. though now I own my own business. That means I get to do all that in addition to working for free :317:28
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pdanek52562 in Hippopotamus17:51
pdanekuuuuuuuu17:51
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MikaelaSage: the issue is WLAN and that has soething to do with captive portals.21:52
MikaelaI am at home and have been in sauna and I will probably soon write to together21:52
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Mikaelaopened, I hope that I am understandable22:23
Mikaelahttps://together.jolla.com/question/79292/wlans-with-captive-portals-are-almost-unusable/ & https://together.jolla.com/question/79293/only-ringtone-volume-can-be-configured-in-settings/22:23
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fennekkiMikaela: wait, is the problem that you keep getting deauthenticated on wifi that requires a web-based login23:38
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fennekkiI could see if I can duplicate this with the wlan at TUT on Monday. Haven't used it a lot. If it works, we could maybe narrow down the issue too23:38
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