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Nickleu | hey guys i wanna find out if it's possible to implement a system wide equalizer on jolla | 10:58 |
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Nickleu | just like the qpaeq | 10:58 |
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Nickleu | I'm completely confused when i look at the qpaeq.py script | 10:59 |
special | Nickleu: sailfish uses pulseaudio | 11:00 |
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special | standard solutions related to pulseaudio should apply | 11:00 |
special | (I don't know what those would be, offhand) | 11:00 |
Nickleu | pulseaudio has implemented a module | 11:01 |
Nickleu | but i just can't understand how it works | 11:01 |
Nickleu | there should be a dbus interface to invoke that module, though | 11:03 |
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phlixi | hi | 11:17 |
phlixi | i am at work, and while usually the wlan works just as expected, currently (since yesterday) there is some strange behaviour | 11:17 |
phlixi | at the moment the field strengh indicator just switches back and forh, wlan, simdata, wlan simdata, wlan simdata... etc... every (dont know, exactly) half second | 11:18 |
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SK_work | phlixi: ha | 11:21 |
SK_work | known bug | 11:21 |
phlixi | ok | 11:22 |
phlixi | seems to me as if am actually connected to the wlan (eg i could connect via sftp to the device), but something does not work, e.g i can not surf for example to m.vgn.de | 11:23 |
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phlixi | anything i can do? (to get rid of this behaviour/provide data to narrow down the bug/etc?) | 11:24 |
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phlixi | i have no idea why, but it stopped, not WLAN is working as ecpected... | 11:45 |
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phlixi | type, "NOW wlan works as expected | 11:46 |
phlixi | omg, typO!! :-))) | 11:47 |
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louisdk | I've a friend who is currently using an N900 which it's showing it's age. And now he wants a Jolla. I just don't know if he'll like it. He find the swipe features a bit confusing and it's kinda old school when it comes to computers. He's not a fan of touch. | 14:02 |
SK_work | louisdk: better give him another N900 | 14:03 |
SK_work | or the neo900 | 14:03 |
kimmoli | time to learn swiping? | 14:04 |
pdanek | Or get him TOHKBD for Jolla. | 14:06 |
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flux | as ever great tohkbd is going to be, I doubt it's going come out ready and as nice as n900 was, software-wise :/ | 14:11 |
Sail0r | http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-jolla/jolla-angry-birds-stella-limited-edition.html | 14:12 |
flux | ..but maybe jolla could become almost completely keyboard-navigatable! | 14:12 |
flux | alt-tab for switching tasks, etc ;-) | 14:12 |
louisdk | kimmoli, pdanek, He's ready to learn and yes he wants a TOHKBD too :) | 14:12 |
flux | and ctrl-alt-delete for locking it, easy as it can be! | 14:13 |
flux | or rebooting, whichever comes more naturally ;-) | 14:13 |
louisdk | Alt + F4 closing an app :p | 14:13 |
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TMavica | that angry bird toh, taobao already have long time.. | 14:18 |
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Sail0r | but it looks you need to buy a jolla to get the toh | 14:20 |
Sail0r | because it's not on the TOH site | 14:20 |
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TMavica | the seller last year said can buy it individually | 14:21 |
TMavica | they sell in last year, I havent buy because I afraid is fake. | 14:21 |
Sail0r | I don't think they ever sold an TOH with angry birds so far | 14:23 |
SK_work | Stskeeps: let's continue the ubuntu talk here :) | 14:24 |
SK_work | seen this ? https://twitter.com/rpadovani93/status/563699461491523584 | 14:24 |
Stskeeps | SK_work: yes, and good choice | 14:25 |
Teemu | what's the thing prepending @names with a dot? | 14:25 |
Teemu | i've seen it only recently | 14:25 |
SK_work | Teemu: no, it is not prepending "@", it is so that the tweet is public | 14:25 |
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SK_work | starting with @someone makes the tweet visible if you are following the guy who tweeted and the one mentionned | 14:26 |
SK_work | if you prepend with anything it will be visible like a normal tweet | 14:26 |
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SK_work | Stskeeps: I do wonder what kind of client they are using | 14:26 |
SK_work | except if telegram already developed their own client | 14:26 |
Stskeeps | SK_work: https://plus.google.com/+GiulioCollura/posts/Dzmd4LSdhCE | 14:27 |
Teemu | i thought all tweets are public | 14:27 |
SK_work | Teemu: nope | 14:27 |
SK_work | @someone are "replies" | 14:27 |
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SK_work | Stskeeps: I guess it is with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-telegram-app | 14:28 |
Teemu | oh | 14:28 |
Teemu | are they not visible to others then? | 14:29 |
Teemu | i've definitely seen some | 14:29 |
SK_work | Let's take an example | 14:29 |
SK_work | Teemu, you follows @JollaHQ, @SfietKonstantin, but not @Stskeeps | 14:29 |
SK_work | if @SfietKonstantin tweets "Hello world", you will see it | 14:30 |
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SK_work | if @SfietKonstantin tweets "@JollaHQ, thanks for you awesome phone", you will see it | 14:30 |
SK_work | if@SfietKonstantin tweets "@Stskeeps, thanks for creating MerProject.org" you will not see it | 14:30 |
SK_work | if @SfietKonstantin tweets "Mer project is awesome, cc @stskeeps", you will see it | 14:30 |
Teemu | ah okay | 14:32 |
SK_work | that's why there is the "." | 14:32 |
Teemu | so to keep it public, it is necessary to not start a tweet with @something | 14:32 |
SK_work | well, not public | 14:33 |
SK_work | to make it appear in the Timeline | 14:33 |
SK_work | you can see all the @SfietKonstantin's tweets, if you go to the profile | 14:33 |
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Teemu | okay so i was right but the semantics of @starting make things not appear unless one goes specifically to look | 14:35 |
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SK_work | Teemu: sorry about the "not seeing it" | 14:39 |
SK_work | had trouble expressing myself | 14:39 |
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Teemu | we're all just prisoners here of our own device | 14:39 |
Stskeeps | "Bq phone goes on sale in Europe next week, but to "qualify" to buy you have to play a game..." "...a game that "educates' buyers about what the phone can - and can't - do. #UbuntuPhone" | 14:40 |
* Stskeeps drops jaw | 14:40 | |
SK_work | Stskeeps: "let's play a game" | 14:40 |
leinir | ...oh ...kay? guess that's one way to differentiate your marketing? | 14:40 |
leinir | oneplus already did the whole limited ticket rollout thing, jolla did word of mouth and stuff, i guess Ubuntu can do SAW if they want? ;) | 14:41 |
Stskeeps | SK_work: now you're making me imagine mark shuttleworth as jigsaw | 14:41 |
SK_work | :D | 14:41 |
SK_work | leinir: :D | 14:41 |
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Teemu | well, lucky me i dislike saw movies and have never liked how most linux distros work | 14:43 |
locusf | also the price is quite nice | 14:43 |
locusf | for ubuntu phone that is | 14:43 |
Teemu | debian seems to be a long time least crappy linux for me | 14:43 |
Teemu | then the bsdish linux (i forgot its name already) had a nice start with good values but it turned out to be just guys who want to compile everything -O 100500-and-more because they're too dumb to do profiling | 14:44 |
SK_work | what's the price tag ? | 14:45 |
locusf | afaik 169 | 14:45 |
SK_work | Teemu: simply bsd ? :D | 14:45 |
Teemu | i guess i am an old curmudgeon | 14:45 |
Teemu | SK_work: yes indeed, i've used bsd since mid year 1990 | 14:45 |
Teemu | originally sunos4 and then 386bsd followed by freebsd | 14:46 |
Teemu | along the way i've tried several linuxes and mostly got disappointed | 14:46 |
Teemu | the debian guys have ideas on how to drive a project with longevity and how it is completely okay if a new version of an operating system works from command line exactly as it did ten years ago | 14:47 |
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warfare | Teemu: you're talking of gentoo? | 14:52 |
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Teemu | yes, i just forgot the name | 14:53 |
Teemu | freebsd just _now_ got a new automounter that's more or less on par with how desktop users in general would like to use removeable media | 14:54 |
Teemu | so i was for a long time somehow in search of replacement for freebsd on desktop | 14:55 |
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Teemu | i've always appreciated how annoyingly stable and low maintenance it is, so none of there lets-try-linux efforts have lasted very long | 14:56 |
Teemu | i'm not sure if you remember the 2.0-2.4 period in kernels but it was a wild time when you didn't know which 2940 driver would work with etherexpress and matrox and the agp gart after a minor upgrade, as there were several drivers in active development and the working permutation was never the same as before | 14:57 |
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warfare | Oh, I do. *shiver* | 14:58 |
Teemu | i also got somewhat annoyed by the need to write poor quality gpl replacements of perfectly working mit/bsd licenced free software that could be just included in a project | 14:58 |
Teemu | such as mysql | 14:58 |
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Teemu | what's a person to do with a rdbms that doesn't handle transactions or per-record locks? | 14:59 |
warfare | try ifconfig on freebsd vs. ifconfig/iproute2/tc/iw/iwconfig on Loonix.. | 14:59 |
Teemu | oh the ipchaintablebondage... | 14:59 |
Teemu | yes | 14:59 |
warfare | Throw an ethtool in there somewhere. | 14:59 |
Teemu | in freebsd, there's just ifconfig to to all you need | 15:00 |
Teemu | somehow it is enough | 15:00 |
warfare | maemo.org firewalls run netbsd with pf and carp. Very low maintainance. | 15:00 |
Teemu | well not the filtering of course, but then the filters are not interfaces | 15:00 |
Teemu | i switched to theobsd on filters as soon as ipf was released | 15:01 |
warfare | pf is way easier to read than iptables. | 15:01 |
warfare | openbsd doesn't play well with xen. | 15:01 |
Teemu | i had been filtering with ipfw for years but it didn't understand states | 15:01 |
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Teemu | ipf did but there was a war and pf rose from the ashes | 15:01 |
Teemu | soon after pf on freebsd was kept recent enough not to bother with theobsd | 15:02 |
Teemu | pf <3 | 15:02 |
warfare | mh, ipfw on SunOS 2.7.. (yes, I'm old) | 15:02 |
Teemu | that's solaris 2.7 | 15:02 |
warfare | actually solaris 7 but sunos 5.7. | 15:02 |
Teemu | yes indeed | 15:03 |
warfare | they ditched the 2. after 2.6.<mumble> | 15:03 |
Teemu | after both correcting each other you found the truthest truth of numbering | 15:03 |
Teemu | i used sunos 4 and sunos 4.1 on ss1 and ss1 ipc | 15:03 |
Teemu | our radio club got funding to obtain such coolness as it was released | 15:04 |
Teemu | last time i actively put my hands on solaris was when i had a ultra 5 as a desktop machine, running solaris 2.5 | 15:05 |
* Aard still has a blade 2500 under his desk | 15:06 | |
Teemu | almost-nice machine, sadly its ide wasn't ata and could not do dma transfers so it was slow as hell if you tried to have any local disk access | 15:06 |
Teemu | to my knowledge it was the first non-scsi sun workstation | 15:07 |
Aard | Teemu: nobody sane used the ide port in there | 15:07 |
Teemu | indeed | 15:07 |
Teemu | i booted the thing from that | 15:08 |
Teemu | then it just ran | 15:08 |
Aard | you didn't even need to do that, the firmware on that thing has full scsi support -> just take the next best sun supported scsi controller | 15:08 |
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Teemu | as a junior server admin purchasing was none of my business, so i suffered | 15:09 |
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warfare | Teemu: Ultra5s had an IDE connector. | 15:10 |
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Teemu | yes they did | 15:11 |
Aard | warfare: _connector_, yes, but sun used a buggy version of the cmd649 which only supported PIO | 15:11 |
Teemu | i know, specifically ide, not dma-supporting ata | 15:11 |
Teemu | just like pc machines five years before that did | 15:11 |
Aard | well, the chip itself _did_ support dma, just the revision sun took was broken | 15:12 |
Teemu | muah | 15:12 |
Teemu | even worse :D | 15:12 |
Teemu | so close to almost | 15:12 |
Aard | and once it's out in the field it becomes a feature, so you can't really go back | 15:13 |
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Aard | I have two ultra10 here, which are the same as u5, just in a tower case | 15:14 |
Teemu | with the same buggy ide? | 15:14 |
Aard | yes | 15:14 |
Teemu | ungh | 15:14 |
Aard | it's exactly the same board | 15:14 |
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Aard | I have scsi controllers and disks in both of them | 15:17 |
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Teemu | works like a charm | 15:17 |
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Aard | it's a bit funny that solaris came up here today, just two days ago I got an email from somebody thanking me about my qt package (iirc 4.3, quite old), and asking if I have plans to do a qt5.2 package for solaris | 15:19 |
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Teemu | :) | 15:20 |
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Teemu | we've been speculating more private storage setups since the latest freedom went to nsa and when speaking of storage, solaris is pretty high on the list for reliability | 15:21 |
calderon | Hep | 15:22 |
Aard | until 2008 I used to manage solaris based HA clusters (some linux based as well, but linux was -- and still is -- way behind what solaris can do there) | 15:23 |
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sledges | if not yet seen: | 15:23 |
sledges | https://www.facebook.com/groups/jollapioneer/permalink/780347355388064/ | 15:23 |
sledges | https://twitter.com/andrewzhilin/status/563684475142283264 | 15:23 |
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Teemu | <3 | 15:25 |
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locusf | top -d 1 | 15:27 |
faenil | lovely OH | 15:28 |
faenil | indeed | 15:29 |
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Wnt | haha, I also have an Ultra 5 in my attic :D I have just a compact flash card in the IDE that is used to load the kernel and the system really runs from a PCI sata adapter :) | 15:40 |
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Yaniel | whoa, the stock browser actually supports webgl | 16:23 |
anandrkris | http://webglsamples.org/aquarium/aquarium.html | 16:27 |
anandrkris | i will try opening this link when i get to my phone | 16:28 |
tbr | Yaniel: in a rather slowwwww fashion IIRC, but indeed it does | 16:28 |
SK_work | tried with 4000 fishes ? | 16:29 |
SK_work | on the desktop it lags | 16:29 |
tbr | yeah, here too | 16:29 |
SK_work | tbr: which browser ? using firefox here | 16:30 |
tbr | firefox with some older intel integrated gpu | 16:30 |
SK_work | 50 fishes give me ~30 fps on the jolla | 16:30 |
tbr | nice | 16:30 |
SK_work | tbr: I have super powerful nvidia, but it do not change anything it seems | 16:30 |
tbr | I remember trying something and it was super slow | 16:30 |
anandrkris | 4000 gives fps of 15 | 16:30 |
tbr | SK_work: check if it uses the nvidia card or does soft rendering | 16:31 |
tbr | about:support or such | 16:31 |
anandrkris | am running a Mint Box http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/mintbox/ | 16:31 |
anandrkris | Not an advertisement / promotion for Mint..just FYI :) | 16:32 |
SK_work | 4 FPS with 4000 | 16:32 |
SK_work | :D | 16:32 |
SK_work | on Jolla | 16:32 |
anandrkris | it didn't crash!!! :P | 16:32 |
tbr | jolla has a rather small screen, so that might help it a bit | 16:32 |
tbr | less pixels to push | 16:33 |
anandrkris | hmm..this is one of sites that I engage my 3 y.o. nephew with :) | 16:34 |
SK_work | tbr: still, 4 fps :) | 16:34 |
Morpog_PC__ | wow that ubuntu phone is butt ugly and same or even worse specs as Jolla phone. Only thing better is the quad core, but not sure about per core performance. | 16:35 |
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SK_work | Morpog_PC__: aren't you getting one for testing ? :P | 16:35 |
tbr | it is a rectangle, the usual | 16:35 |
Morpog_PC__ | SK_work, I don't think so. Also you cannot really buy it. You need to get it in some flash sales. | 16:36 |
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* Morpog_PC__ wait for Jolla Phone 2 :D | 16:37 | |
anandrkris | crashed! :( | 16:38 |
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Morpog_PC__ | It could be a nice target for sailfishos though, given it also uses libhybris | 16:40 |
SK_work | Morpog_PC__: wait what ? Flash sales ? | 16:40 |
SK_work | again ? | 16:40 |
SK_work | big MEH | 16:40 |
Morpog_PC__ | SK_work, yep, will be announced on twitter accounts of cannonical and bq | 16:40 |
Morpog_PC__ | tomorrow | 16:40 |
Morpog_PC__ | wait | 16:41 |
Morpog_PC__ | wrong | 16:41 |
Morpog_PC__ | @Ubuntu and @bqreaders | 16:41 |
Morpog_PC__ | if you want to follow | 16:41 |
Morpog_PC__ | 9th February 2015, London and Madrid: The world’s first Ubuntu phone – the Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition – will be available across Europe from BQ.com through a series of Flash Sales over the coming weeks. | 16:42 |
Morpog_PC__ | The date, time and URL for the first Flash Sale will be announced through @Ubuntu and @bqreaders on Twitter as well as Ubuntu G+ and Ubuntu Facebook within the next week. | 16:42 |
SK_work | I really wonder if I want one | 16:42 |
Mikaela | will Jolla Phone 2 either have 5GHz WLAN or FM radio? | 16:42 |
Mikaela | will support for 1 just cease immediately after it's released? | 16:42 |
Morpog_PC__ | Mikaela, my guru mediation ball says: IT WILL SUPPORT 5GHZ! | 16:43 |
SK_work | Mikaela: dunno, dunno | 16:43 |
Morpog_PC__ | it also says: THEY WILL STILL SUPPORT IT | 16:43 |
SK_work | Mikaela: no | 16:43 |
Morpog_PC__ | Mikaela, hope you get my joke :D | 16:43 |
Mikaela | I was surprised to discover that 1 didn't have it | 16:43 |
Mikaela | I am not sure if I am getting any jokes currently | 16:44 |
* tbr shakes his magic 8 ball | 16:44 | |
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* tbr calls it a weekend | 16:44 | |
Morpog_PC__ | https://lh6.ggpht.com/WlSaCvXNVN_Pn-kdcUFqvi5bYRAPnuQno2RpHibhyflSR3nRqalPqzqmRe6d65MuJA%3Dw300 | 16:44 |
calderon | Jolla phone 2? | 16:45 |
Mikaela | too young for amiga | 16:45 |
Morpog_PC__ | omg you missed all the fun | 16:45 |
calderon | :-) | 16:46 |
tbr | mmmm 1.3.2 - those were the days | 16:46 |
Teemu | old fart channel today | 16:47 |
tbr | 2.04 was nicer | 16:47 |
Teemu | i started with vic-20, continued with c-64 and sadly skipped the amiga | 16:51 |
Teemu | all i got was a lousy pc | 16:51 |
tbr | boooo | 16:51 |
ryukafalz | I used an Apple IIe in elementary school | 16:51 |
ShadowJK | I sometimes had to switch back to 1.3, because it left marginally more ram free | 16:51 |
ryukafalz | It was before my time really but my school didn't feel the need to upgrade I guess :P | 16:51 |
tbr | dual boot by flipping a physical switch! :D | 16:51 |
ShadowJK | I had to swap the rom | 16:51 |
* tbr had a posh dual rom adaptor with a switch | 16:51 | |
ShadowJK | I had 2 floppy drives though! | 16:51 |
tbr | and a 2 or 3M RAM extension :D | 16:51 |
tbr | yeah, second floppy was handy for playing lucas arts games | 16:51 |
tbr | Indy4 came on 11 discs | 16:51 |
ShadowJK | Also handy for having WB on one floppy and "projects" on another | 16:51 |
Teemu | my pops did start a company making magazines for computer hobbyists though | 16:51 |
Teemu | in mikrobitti and c= i read of amiga and envied | 16:51 |
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ryukafalz | I read about BeOS sometimes now after the fact and wish it had caught on | 16:53 |
ryukafalz | (also Plan 9) | 16:53 |
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Aard | my main problem with plan9 is that I don't want to give up emacs | 16:58 |
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SK_work | the ubuntu phone ui is really strange | 16:59 |
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SK_work | it is both nice and really bad | 16:59 |
SK_work | I don't know why | 17:00 |
SK_work | (why I have this feeling) | 17:00 |
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Morpog_PC__ | it reminds me sometimes of harmattan | 17:01 |
Morpog_PC__ | those are the good moments | 17:01 |
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Teemu | aard why would you need to do that? | 17:02 |
SK_work | Morpog_PC__: a bit yeah | 17:02 |
SK_work | there are a lot of animations, lollipop like | 17:03 |
SK_work | but really wondering if this is needed | 17:03 |
SK_work | some gestures are confusing | 17:03 |
Teemu | besides that it's nicer to use an editor that just loads instead of having to boot the editor for minutes | 17:03 |
SK_work | others are okish | 17:03 |
Morpog_PC__ | hides loading times usually | 17:03 |
Aard | Teemu: http://osdir.com/ml/plan9.general/2002-06/msg00116.html | 17:04 |
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ryukafalz | Aard: Emacs is probably bigger than all of Plan 9 on its own :P | 17:06 |
ryukafalz | I do rather like Acme honestly, though the lack of syntax highlighting is a bit irritating sometimes | 17:07 |
Aard | addressbook, email, ... is all in emacs as well for me | 17:07 |
Aard | not just editing | 17:08 |
ryukafalz | Yeah, that's very much antithetical to... plan 9 as a whole :P | 17:08 |
Teemu | Aard: that really didn't answer anything :) that's just "we don't wish to tell you we were not able to make it work" | 17:08 |
Teemu | or something | 17:08 |
ryukafalz | The "right" way to do it in Plan 9 would be to have mail as a filesystem and a mail client would just be a browser for that | 17:09 |
Teemu | especially the part why traditional vi isn't suitable for plan9 is not answered at all | 17:10 |
ryukafalz | SK_work: Both Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch remind me of Harmattan to some degree, but Sailfish is considerably more polished :P | 17:10 |
Teemu | even though some might start saying that emacs is an operating system that happens to run under multiple low quality hypervisors usually called operating systems | 17:11 |
ryukafalz | Teemu: I'm actually not sure if plan 9 has a terminal that can run interactive applications like vi | 17:12 |
ryukafalz | 9term behaves largely like a text file | 17:12 |
ryukafalz | Anything that requires interactivity tends to work better as part of Acme | 17:13 |
SK_work | ryukafalz: I would rather say: ubuntouch is non-consistent :( | 17:13 |
ryukafalz | How so? | 17:13 |
Teemu | ryukafalz: sounds... interesting | 17:14 |
ryukafalz | Side note: it was rather amusing when my coworker was trying out a recent build of Ubuntu Touch on his Nexus 7. The word "Phone" is hardcoded everywhere. | 17:14 |
Teemu | does it support multiple concurrent editors agains the same text tile? | 17:14 |
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ryukafalz | Teemu: Hmm, not sure, I haven't tried | 17:15 |
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Teemu | i mean, i'm _so_ happy that now in the last four years or so we have FINALLY started to have some reasonable editing | 17:16 |
Teemu | only four decades after the mother of all demos that showed concurrent hypertext editing and realtime multimedia | 17:17 |
Teemu | and mouse and windowing and... | 17:17 |
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ryukafalz | Teemu: Within Acme, if I try opening two windows to the same file it just jumps to the existing one. If I modify the file outside Acme, it doesn't pick up on it until you try saving, at which point it gives you timestamps of when the file last changed. | 17:19 |
Teemu | what if you open the same file with acme on several computers? | 17:19 |
ryukafalz | On e.g. a networked filesystem? | 17:20 |
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ryukafalz | I would assume it would behave the same | 17:20 |
Teemu | it would give you the same window you already opened on another computer? | 17:21 |
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ryukafalz | Oh - no, it would behave the same as if you changed it with a different editor, since they're separate instances of Acme so that's essentially what you're doing | 17:21 |
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Teemu | so, it's not engelbartian | 17:23 |
Teemu | :/ | 17:23 |
Teemu | sad | 17:23 |
ryukafalz | re: Douglas Engelbart? | 17:23 |
Teemu | yes | 17:24 |
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Teemu | google docs was the first engelbartian editor i personally used and among the first that went widely public | 17:24 |
ryukafalz | Etherpad came first :) | 17:24 |
ryukafalz | well | 17:24 |
ryukafalz | before Google Docs at least | 17:25 |
Teemu | didn't it get bought by google? | 17:25 |
Teemu | etherpad is nice | 17:25 |
Teemu | i'm using them constantly | 17:25 |
ryukafalz | Yeah - I think that's why Google Docs added collaborative editing actually | 17:25 |
Teemu | i heard of etherpad during the time i was trying out the then new google docs | 17:26 |
Teemu | nobody hosted it and i had other things to mind | 17:26 |
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Teemu | such as founding helsinki hacklab | 17:26 |
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ryukafalz | Google Wave was also pretty interesting | 17:28 |
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Teemu | didn't really try | 17:28 |
ryukafalz | But yeah, I do wish Acme had collaborative editing abilities | 17:28 |
Teemu | almost tried but the descriptions of what i could achieve with wave were way too cloudy and full of thc | 17:29 |
Teemu | got the invitation and looked a bit about the somethings and it was just too open ended to hit anything for me | 17:29 |
Teemu | like somebody ranting about how computers can be programmed to do anything | 17:29 |
ryukafalz | Even just out of the box, Wave was significantly better than email for collaboration | 17:29 |
Teemu | well yes, as a hacker, i know that and such rants are boring as hell | 17:30 |
ryukafalz | It was like Google Docs meets Reddit - real-time collaborative editing + threaded conversations | 17:30 |
Teemu | ah okay | 17:30 |
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Teemu | however i'm constantly a fringe case as technology goes | 17:35 |
ryukafalz | Heh, I feel the same way :P | 17:35 |
Teemu | jolla, freebsd, osx cli usage with a lot of vi, saab, old house (1922) | 17:36 |
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ryukafalz | In my case it's largely with network communications - IRC, XMPP, etc. | 17:41 |
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Teemu | well yes, irc is good | 17:42 |
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Teemu | i've got no good clients for xmpp | 17:42 |
ryukafalz | Telepathy is rather good, though missing some features | 17:42 |
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ryukafalz | I do wish there were a console Telepathy client, but KTp, Empathy, and Sailfish's messaging work well | 17:43 |
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Teemu | not sure how xmpp deals with the client somehow being online and somehow not | 17:44 |
Teemu | ie. me closing the laptop lid | 17:44 |
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ryukafalz | On desktops, both Telepathy clients integrate with system power management and set your status to offline before the laptop sleeps | 17:45 |
ryukafalz | Messages received when all clients are offline are queued for delivery when you next log in | 17:45 |
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SK_work | ryukafalz: depends on the XMPP server | 17:46 |
SK_work | if it is google, yes it does this | 17:46 |
SK_work | if it is some other server, it will depend | 17:46 |
ryukafalz | If your client gets forcibly disconnected, messages will be dropped between then and connection timeout unless both client and server support XEP-0198 | 17:47 |
ryukafalz | Telepathy support for which is in progress: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46700 | 17:47 |
merbot | Freedesktop bug 46700 in gabble "Implement reliable stanza delivery using XEP-0198 - Stream Management" [Enhancement,New] | 17:47 |
ryukafalz | SK_work: True, though most servers do support offline message delivery | 17:47 |
ryukafalz | Prosody for example has it loaded and enabled by default | 17:47 |
SK_work | iirc kdetalk do not | 17:47 |
SK_work | don't know what it runs for example | 17:47 |
ryukafalz | I believe kdetalk is ejabberd | 17:47 |
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ryukafalz | which appears to have offline messaging enabled by default as well - kdetalk admins likely disabled it explicitly | 17:48 |
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ryukafalz | though perhaps unwittingly - they didn't notice one of their DNS records was broken until I pointed it out ;) | 17:49 |
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ryukafalz | apologies to any kde admins in the room :P | 17:49 |
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Teemu | so what happens to messages if i'm on multiple clients? | 17:55 |
ryukafalz | Depends on the server, but in general messages get sent to the client with the highest priority value, which is a client-side setting | 17:56 |
ryukafalz | if multiple clients with the same priority are connected, they will be sent to all of them until you respond from one | 17:56 |
ryukafalz | there's an extension that also allows copies to be sent to all clients that support it: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html | 17:57 |
Teemu | ideally i'd want all messages to all clients | 17:57 |
* ryukafalz nods | 17:57 | |
ryukafalz | which is why carbons is nice | 17:57 |
Teemu | what are nice? | 17:57 |
ryukafalz | that extension ^ | 17:57 |
Teemu | oh | 17:57 |
ryukafalz | the deal with XMPP is that there are standards for almost everything but rarely implementations for those standards | 17:58 |
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ryukafalz | server-side support is generally better - prosody supports everything I've mentioned here | 17:58 |
Teemu | to me - who does not want to see source code of his irc/xmpp/what clients - the whole xmpp thing looks like horrendously complex system to set up | 17:58 |
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Teemu | i could hardly care less about the server end, google runs one and then arl runs one, i'll never run one | 17:59 |
Teemu | i'm an irc person | 17:59 |
ryukafalz | well, when everything is actually implemented, it's a matter of connecting and it'll Just Work™ | 17:59 |
Teemu | yes i've seen the jolla get parts of my google chats | 17:59 |
Teemu | really nice feature | 17:59 |
ryukafalz | Google Talk is going away at some point, possibly soon | 18:00 |
Teemu | so much for that, then :) | 18:00 |
ryukafalz | Google really screwed over the XMPP community on that one by the way, I have a long rant about that, heh | 18:00 |
Teemu | also i'm a bug !fan of xml (or *ml) | 18:00 |
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Mikaela | how long is your potential blog post list? mine is counting, but nothing gets done | 18:01 |
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ryukafalz | 4 and counting, heh | 18:01 |
ryukafalz | I have one post so far, only because it didn't require much thought and was mostly images: http://terracrypt.net/blog/ | 18:02 |
ryukafalz | my drafts are re: more technical topics and actually require me to sit down and think for a while :P | 18:02 |
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Mikaela | I appear to have 5 with tag blog and 2 are written | 18:03 |
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ryukafalz | what blogging software do you use? | 18:03 |
Mikaela | jekyll | 18:04 |
ryukafalz | I use Pelican so it's Status: draft and they don't show up in the index | 18:04 |
ryukafalz | jekyll is nice | 18:04 |
Mikaela | on github pages and I use github issue tracker and label blog | 18:04 |
ryukafalz | ah, gotcha | 18:04 |
anandrkris | Hi - How do I mute a video playing in gallery? | 18:04 |
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ryukafalz | anandrkris: offhand I'm not sure if you can, but you can turn the volume all the way down | 18:05 |
anandrkris | Also, Silent sounds don't apply to media playing iirc | 18:05 |
anandrkris | besides using keys, i should have mentioned :) | 18:06 |
ryukafalz | Mikaela: How is github pages? I run my own server, I'm not sure I'd like the lack of control from hosting there | 18:06 |
Mikaela | I haven't had bigger issues | 18:07 |
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ryukafalz | fair enough | 18:08 |
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Teemu | i guess your own server could always pull from upstream github? | 18:09 |
ryukafalz | True, but what would be the point of that? :P | 18:11 |
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Teemu | getting the issue tracker? dunno | 18:11 |
Teemu | having other people help in editing and all the collaborative jingle | 18:12 |
ryukafalz | Hmm, maybe | 18:12 |
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Teemu | Mikaela: where are your pages? | 18:12 |
gogeta | jingle ? | 18:12 |
Mikaela | mikaela.info | 18:13 |
Mikaela | or mikaela/mikaela.github.io at github | 18:13 |
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louisdk | How many of you have IRL friends you've learned to know outside the Jolla community who owns a Jolla phone? :) | 18:59 |
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falfa | i dont have any friends | 19:01 |
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Teemu | some of my friends have turned out with a nice orangeblack phone | 19:02 |
Teemu | my mom in law bought one before i did | 19:02 |
louisdk | Teemu, nice. I know about 7 who owns a Jolla phone :) All of which I know from FROSS community arrangements :) | 19:04 |
Mikaela | no friends here either | 19:05 |
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Mikaela | maybe if I ever got to that hacklab, but I have no idea what people are like there | 19:05 |
Teemu | fRoss? | 19:08 |
Teemu | Mikaela: like me but nicer | 19:08 |
mornfall | would a wife count? | 19:09 |
Mikaela | houkuttelevatko ne kaikilla vaatekappaileilla pelkän pipon sijaan? | 19:09 |
Mikaela | no idea how to say that in English | 19:09 |
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Teemu | :) | 19:11 |
Teemu | we do have a sewing machine in there | 19:11 |
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Teemu | i've also repaired one in hacklab but it has a home elsewhere | 19:11 |
Teemu | really pretty old singer | 19:11 |
Teemu | which reminds me, i have two sewing machines in the repair shop for me to get | 19:12 |
Teemu | things to do on monday | 19:12 |
ShadowJK | I know 3 "non-geek" people with Jollas | 19:18 |
kimmoli | yesterday i witnessed a jolla without developermode installed. | 19:19 |
Teemu | all jolla users i know are serious geeks | 19:19 |
Teemu | mom-in-law has a hobby of converting normals into linux users by installing them linux | 19:20 |
ShadowJK | Yeah none of those 3 I know have developer mode | 19:20 |
locusf | does FOSDEM appearances count? | 19:20 |
ShadowJK | For one of them it's their first smartphone actually | 19:20 |
ShadowJK | He got it because someone sent him an MMS and he thought he should have a newer phone that can receive mms | 19:20 |
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louisdk | ShadowJK, I've developer mode disabled at regular basis. | 19:25 |
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HtheB | o/ | 20:30 |
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r0kk3rz | how does one even use a jolla without devmode? | 21:05 |
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ShadowJK | One of my coworkers with jolla is close to allowing me to enable devmode | 21:08 |
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ShadowJK | So I could show him how to switch off the lowmemorykiller that keeps closing everything all the time :) | 21:09 |
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Obi-Lan | wouldn't it be a nice if not all the users would need dev mode ;) | 21:16 |
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ShadowJK | :) | 21:20 |
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HtheB | (: | 21:22 |
HtheB | r0kk3rz: n00bs wont use it | 21:23 |
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keithzg | The fact that dev mode exists is one of the primary things that I find compelling about Jolla/SailfishOS, personally. | 21:28 |
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ShadowJK | Yes | 21:29 |
ShadowJK | Though I would also like to be able to do things I want to do, without having to enable some special hacker mode | 21:30 |
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pdanek | Debian vs OpenSUSE? | 23:10 |
pdanek | (desktop) | 23:11 |
pdanek | :D | 23:13 |
Sail0r | fedora or manjaro :P | 23:13 |
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svuorela | debian. | 23:16 |
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Guest15 | Hi everybody | 23:23 |
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pdanek | Manjaro :O | 23:24 |
HtheB | Ubuntu vs Kubuntu? :P | 23:24 |
Sail0r | ! | 23:24 |
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pdanek | Sail0r: What's better in Fedora than OpenSUSE? :O | 23:25 |
OhQult | I've got a little problem on my jolla. I've installed Glacier UI, and then deleted, and now, each time i try to reboot, i've got a black screen, and can't do anything. Hope someone would help me, i would be really grateful ! :) | 23:26 |
raa700 | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763 | 23:37 |
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sledges | arch | 23:38 |
OhQult | Thanks for the link, found something but not as much detailed, i check it right now | 23:38 |
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HtheB | OhQult: you should have taken a video with the glacier UI | 23:51 |
HtheB | I am actually interested on the progress | 23:51 |
OhQult | HtheB actually, i didnt used it a lot, but wasnt in my taste | 23:56 |
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