#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2015-02-07

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pdanekWould you say, that running KDE on OpenSUSE is more advantegous than running Gnome on it?00:34
pdanekLike it gets more testing and more attention?00:34
pdanekBecause it was probably the case in the past.00:35
pdanekToday things can be different.00:35
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coderuskde is always better and geeker01:15
ahjolinnakde FTW01:17
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Liekexfce ftw01:21
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ahjolinnaKDE plasma 5.2 looks great : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z2u1pM8PeY01:28
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tiwakekde master race http://fav.me/d770v4004:34
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ddavid123Can hardly wait for my Jolla tablet!!!05:19
tiwakeI can wait05:22
tiwakethough, it would be fun to try and develop for05:23
tiwakeits been a long time since I've been interested in a platform to try and do something interesting with it05:23
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tiwakemaybe do some interesting things with Objective-C again05:27
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ddavid123I decided to go with the 64Gb version.05:48
ddavid123 it will be nice to have a tablet not made by Apple or Google or Microsoft05:54
tiwakeja06:00
tiwakethough an M.2 SSD interface would have been nice... I don't trust cheap SDHC memory06:01
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pdanekUnnamed person said as answer why he uses OpenSUSE: When I started, there was RedHat, Suse and Slackware available, SUSE was just in between RedHat and Slackware and quite stable.13:32
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pdanekWhat could he mean by: just in between RH and Slack? Up-to-date packages? User-friendliness?13:33
pdanekHe speaks about old times. :)13:33
Teemuthere were others too13:34
pdanekI know that.13:34
Teemuwhen red hat started they were viewed as oldfashioned as their packaging system could not by any means automatically install prerequisite packages, even if they were prefetched13:34
Teemuso he is just making up some bullshit about how his favourite was the original and the best or something13:35
pdanekAnd Slack was bleeding edge in technologies?13:35
pdanek:D13:35
pdanekright!13:35
Teemuat the time, freebsd ports could fetch and install from binary or source packages recursively but naturally that does not count as there was no fat robe-wearing figurehead shouting about how he owns the word freedom13:37
Teemualso, debian linux was founded when red hat the company was just salesmen of software and soon they wanted to create their own linux distribution13:40
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ikarusA few years ago encountering a Redhat or Mandrake server of unknown pedigree was a reason to run because it was sure to have a mish mash of packages from various sources13:42
Teemuindeed13:42
Teemubeing able to instal any package from anywhere is not exactly a bonus good non plus ultra feature13:43
ikarusmhm, it's why I am not a big fan of OpenRepos, oh, sure, we have repos and you can be sure that atleast a dozen of them offer the same library at various stages of being updated13:44
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Teemui've always liked freebsd for the very reason that when a feature xyz finally arrives into -stable, it is not bleeding edge and can fully be expected to work13:45
ikarusTeemu: kind of why I still stick with Debian (don't have the option not to use a Linux kernel)13:46
Teemuduring my time i'm not sure exactly what i've been missing except that the freebsd automounter until 10.1 was naturally horrible for desktop use13:46
ikarusif I need a system stable, it's running stable and no chance in hell that it will break in the next half a decade13:46
Teemuhowever, as i'm perfectly able to shorctly script some damn shell scripts and all the usual, i am able to live with those things13:47
Teemuyes it means i had to manually fire up scripts when mounting and umounting a cd and dvd and usb stick13:48
Teemunow, what else have i been missing?13:48
Teemu:)13:48
ikarusTeemu: I might use Linux, I refuse to use such trash as Pulseaudio, automounters, and really a ton of other stuff like that13:48
Teemui've never done video editing so anything related to that is not of great interest13:48
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ikarusjust gets in my way and hides proper errors13:49
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Teemui like automounters when done properly13:49
ikarusI don't because it is impossible to do so13:49
ikarusYou'd need a USB port that clamps down on the stick to do it properly13:49
Teemuhand-umounting doesn't prevent you from physically disconnecting before umounting13:50
ikarussure, but the mount part never is my biggest worry13:50
Teemuindeed13:52
Teemuwhich is why i tolerate nicely configured automounters and did not really miss the early 2000s linux distro attempts13:53
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Obi-LanI dont understand why should I mount manually every dvd or usb I put into computer :)14:27
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Obi-Lanah sauna ->14:30
Teemusauna <314:30
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Shinryuusauna <316:25
attahWhy the *bleep* is this closed? https://together.jolla.com/question/73908/make-snoop-snitch-working-on-jolla/16:27
attahThat should be part of the OS imo16:28
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* Stskeeps looks16:37
Stskeepswell, as a start, if it involves DIAG or QTST or wtf it's called, it's not open source material.16:38
Stskeeps:P16:38
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Nicd-attah: then you should have written it as "integrate X into Sailfish OS"16:38
Stskeepsi'm a little unclear on the why off topic..16:38
attahDidn't you say you liked challenes?16:39
Stskeepsi like challenges that doesn't involve qualcomm ndas16:39
Stskeeps:P16:39
attahNicd-: I didn't write it.. and it's vague enough to receive that as a suggestin and get slightly edited..16:40
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* attah makes chicken sounds16:41
attah;)16:41
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Stskeeps:P16:42
Stskeepsif it's open source and the kernel interfaces are available, somebody can do it16:42
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attahI'll try to see if i can find out what's actually needed16:44
attahbut git doesn't agree with me at the moment16:45
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coderusApplication for controlling incoming SSH connections using pam: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation18:03
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Sail0rcool18:25
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coderusworks?18:45
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Mikaelais there anything like redshift or f.lux for sailfish?19:06
Mikaelahmm or would redshift work directly if I just compiled it19:07
ShinryuuMikaela: https://github.com/jonls/redshift/issues/5519:14
MikaelaThanks :)19:14
Shinryuuat least it seems people have tried it out19:14
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giucamit needs lipstick support19:24
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attahgaah.. if only snoopsnicth wasn't java19:31
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attahStskeeps: regarding qc nda:s.. i'm becoming increasingly unsure what you meant. To reuse snoopsnich you likely wouldn't have to sign anything at all19:54
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attahI'm an idiot20:12
attahSnoopsnitch can only peek into GSM.. the rest of the info is from APIs where there exist similar ones already in sailfish20:13
attahso while it's cool... it's a lot less useful for newer technologies20:14
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tschakIs there any MTP support for Mac that doesn’t require tons of hacking?20:25
* tschak is pissed beyond belief.20:26
attahi didn't find any.. but then again I'm on 10.620:26
tschakof course not20:26
Yanielthere is sshfs20:26
tschakam this close to throwing this phone through a brick wall20:26
tschakYaniel: seriously? while I do know what that is, that’s a shitty option for normal people.20:27
attahhave you tried https://www.android.com/filetransfer/ ?20:27
tschakI’m…gonna walk away for a bit, I’ve spent the last hour just trying to transfer data.20:27
tschakattah: yes, it doesn’t detect the phone as an “android” device20:27
attahah.. same as when i tried a year ago then20:28
tschaki’ve been very pissed regarding this phone…whether it’s the complete lack of north american support, which i excused, or the constant regression regarding bluetooth support (it no longer pairs with my CAR or my MAC with the latest firmware updates)20:28
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tschakor the fact that I can’t cleanly transfer large files, without pulling the phone apart and finding my micro SD adaptor20:29
TeemuMTP20:29
Teemu?20:29
tschakyou haven’t been following the discussion20:29
attahTeemu: stop trolling :)20:29
Teemuattah i have no idea, just asking20:30
Nicd-I've found the easiest way for myself on a mac is a script that runs rsync20:30
ahjolinnawell stop using mac, it's horrible anyway20:30
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tschakNicd-: see, it’s idiotic that you even have to resort to that.20:30
Nicd-ahjolinna: stop trolling20:30
ahjolinna:D20:30
tschakfor all the posturing that Jolla loves to do about listening to its users20:31
tschakI have yet to see a concrete instance where this has actually been the case.20:31
attahimo Mac has the perfect combination of M$ office and a proper terminal20:31
Teemua proper terminal with properly full-screen mode too20:31
Teemu<320:32
attahtschak: now that's unfair... they still can't work miracles20:32
Teemuosx has its bad sides but recently its fullscreen did become very good indeed20:32
Teemualso the virtual desktop thingy is nowadays nice20:32
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Nicd-let's not start another OS war20:33
tschakdid not mean to20:33
Teemui use all apps on either screen-sized window or in the properly-fullscreen so previously osx has been kind of bad for me20:33
tschakI use linux, as well20:33
tschakbut my mac is my primary “get shit done” computer.20:33
Teemuindeed20:34
Teemunothing to much about configuring window manager options20:34
tschakanyway, sorry…. i’m just frustrated, I’ll leave.20:34
ahjolinnaI think this more of mac problems then Sailfish, I dont think there is any MTP like software for MAC...so u can't blame Jolla for this20:34
Nicd-tschak: there was an app that runs a server on the phone, maybe that would help20:34
Nicd-can't find it now though20:34
Teemunow, what's mtp?20:34
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tschakahjolinna: Jolla chose a standard that Android uses…great.. but they didn’t make the phone at least PRETEND it was an android phone, over the wire.20:34
Nicd-afaik MTP is a mess anyway20:35
Nicd-Teemu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol20:35
attahmtp = microsoft turd protocol20:35
Teemuohhhh its some xyz over usb kaboomshit20:35
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ahjolinnaMTP does it job, but its horrible20:36
Teemui'd stay very far away from anything that doesn't come from the internet20:36
Teemuusb is a big pile of messy unmentionable thing20:36
Teemuanything over usb is not going to be any better20:36
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Obi-Lanaand theres still not working solution for jolla-mac20:40
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ikarustschak: MTP is just a standard, not an Android specific one (although Google did implement a few extensions, but those aren't absolutely necessary), Windows phones use it aswell for example, so if something expects Android on the otherside, it is the thing that is broken, not the phone20:41
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attahyou guys jinxed my mac.. it just crashed :P20:52
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TeemuObi-Lan: ssh and then x over ip protocols over the ssh pipe?21:12
ddavid123Does anyone know of any of the new features of Sailfish OS 2.0?21:12
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Nicd-I made a GPS speedometer for Sailfish: https://blog.nytsoi.net/#!/2015/02/07/pitot-beta22:18
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Nicd-you can download the RPM to test :)22:18
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