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coderusUpdated https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation00:26
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mornfallcoderus: oh, nifty00:33
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cvp__coderus, very nice! thanks00:51
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Stskeepstbr: http://elinux.org/ELC_2014_Presentations07:36
Stskeeps(not thanks to LF)07:36
Stskeeps:P07:36
tbrStskeeps: yeah, but that's ELC not ELCE. Saw it scroll through my stream earlier today.07:37
Stskeepsyeah, ELC was the one that wasn't recorded for sure right07:37
Stskeepsdue to silly LF stance/behaviour07:38
Stskeepsnow i get to see what lbt -actually- presented07:38
tbryeah07:38
Stskeeps:P07:38
tbrhehe07:38
Stskeepshrm, multiwindow should be entertaining07:38
tbrELCE was recorded officially by LF, but the contractor "lost the harddrives before post production"07:38
tbrmultiwindow, was that the tieto folk?07:39
tbryes it was07:39
Stskeepstbr: ouch07:39
Stskeepswell, better than maemo summit amsterdam, they forgot to wire up the audio to the video..07:40
tbrlol07:40
tbrStskeeps: I offered to help, including live streams next time. Rumor has it that I know something about such.07:40
Stskeepsyeah.. that you for sure have expertise in07:40
tbrbut LF being LF, I don't expect anything07:40
Stskeepsdid you see the tools FOSDEM used to record?07:41
Stskeepslooked lo-fi but productive07:41
tbrthat looked nice07:41
tbr31C3 production pipeline was impressive, but these guys do that for decades now07:41
wmarone__"* Not Java"07:41
wmarone__sold07:41
tbrand have been using icecast since ever. :)07:41
r0kk3rzi dont understand how it can be difficult to get recordings on things these days07:44
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: yeah, even show up with a gopro..07:44
r0kk3rzstick a go-pro on a desk or something07:44
Stskeepsi should really just set aside a few hours a week to watch presentations07:44
r0kk3rz^^07:44
Stskeepsinstead i'm doing powerpoints..07:45
Stskeeps:P07:45
r0kk3rzwould be nice to catch up on some fosdem talks, since i didnt make it across the north sea07:45
tbrpp, sounds corporate'y07:45
Stskeepstbr: i had a mental breakdown in the summer over libreoffice making me unable to do my work . :P07:45
Stskeepstbr: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042 - fun07:46
r0kk3rzso they havent fixed the power system on the PI then....07:47
tbrStskeeps: and you switched to \latex? ;)07:47
r0kk3rzthey need an option for a bigger psu that isnt going through microusb07:47
Stskeepstbr: i've done that07:47
tbrI've been fond of doing presentations as html with keybindings, years before it was cool. soo hipstar07:47
kimmolir0kk3rz: isnt the power in available on pinheader too?07:49
r0kk3rzoh is it?07:49
r0kk3rzmight have to look into that07:50
r0kk3rzfor my piB07:50
kimmoliso libreoffice is not so much better thatn ms office?07:50
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tbrkimmoli: looks like memory corruption somewhere07:57
Teemupower on the raspi pinheaders to my knowledge is just a pin on the rail07:58
Teemui'm on a mission to push PoE in there just to get rid of stupid musb wallwarts07:58
Stskeepshmm, anti-flash might be a good way to prevent prototype leaks..07:59
kimmolitbr: yep. it is static noise until somethibg on screen changes, then noise changes too.08:00
tbrStskeeps: flash triggered explosives? :>08:01
tbrwhat could possibly go wrong08:01
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Teemuhtml with keybindings sounds cool until i remembered html is *ml and they all annoy the h out of me compared to simpler things such as markdown08:03
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Nicd-can someone explain like I'm 5 why would the Pi 2 freeze due to a camera flash? why is there a photosensitive component?08:16
Stskeepsphysics?08:16
Stskeeps:P08:16
Nicd-yeah but what's the real life use of the component that is photosensitive? why is it photosensitive and why is it not covered?08:16
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* stephg feels covering pi's infringes on their freedoms ;)08:18
Teemuthere are some fets whose gate is big enough to react and covering it dark enough would make it thick and most of all more expensive08:18
Teemuthat's not up to raspi folks to make the components08:18
Teemuwhoever makes u16 made an engineering decicion to put it in such a package, perhaps knowingly, perhaps not, that makes it vulnerable08:19
kimmoliNicd-: if it is just xenon flashes, its emc issue.08:20
Stskeepsmakes me wonder how it passed CE testing08:21
Stskeepsjudging by how big **** static electricity sparks those things get..08:21
Teemukimmoli: they compared it to just tinywheeny led flashes so light is not out of the question08:22
Stskeepsseen on g+: From the datasheet:08:22
StskeepsThe DSBGA package is optimized for the smallest possible size in applications with red or infrared opaque08:22
Stskeepscases. Because the DSBGA package lacks the plastic encapsulation characteristic of larger devices, it is08:22
Stskeepsvulnerable to light. Backside metallization and/or epoxy coating, along with front side shading by the printed08:22
Stskeepscircuit board, reduce this sensitivity. However, the package has exposed die edges. In particular, DSBGA08:22
Stskeepsdevices are sensitive to light, in the red and infrared range, shining on the package’s exposed die edges.08:22
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Stskeeps(thanks to tbr's post..)08:22
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Teemuxenon flashes make a hell of a noiseband since their rise time is so fast08:23
Teemuin emc08:23
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kimmoliboth can be fixed with "goo"08:24
kimmoli"blinds open, not working, blinds closed, working" is one fault description i have debugged08:25
tbrStskeeps: thanks to you posting the thread :)08:26
Teemunow what raspi folks can do is to cover that part of pcb with a nice black sticker of batman shape08:26
tbrnanananananana...08:26
tbrmeanwhile the one time where I touched perl comes to haunt me: https://github.com/dm8tbr/irssi-jabber-notify/pull/708:27
Teemunow that javascript could be done with just javascript08:27
kimmoliis tgr brother of tbr?08:28
tbrno, that would be just weird08:29
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kimmoliah, it is your ... nevermibd08:31
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kimmoliah, has anyone done things with pseudo-terminals?08:33
kimmoliif i connect a serial terminal to such, how can i see that comms params have changed?08:34
kimmoliif i use tcgetattr, i can see that they changed when i connect to pts with e.g. picocom08:34
kimmolimean if i get them with tcgetattr, they are changed, i need to trigger on such change08:35
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kimmoligrr, the new sdk (or qtcreator). earlier version did make new instance of deplyment popup on taskbar. now it doesnt. pros and cons with this. Why the Qt icon couldn't have green ball as it does have red ball on error?08:52
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gexc-phonewhen does the connection icon show a "!" above it?10:18
Morpog_PC___when it's fucked up10:19
Morpog_PC___I usually restart the network then via sailfish utilities10:19
gexc-phoneI used iptables rules to set up a transparent proxy, the network connection is established, but there is still a "!"10:20
AL13N_jollamaybe just the detection broje due to transparent proxy10:20
AL13N_jolladoes your interney and dns still work?10:21
gexc-phoneI used iptables to redirect dns queries to another local port10:22
AL13N_jollai think detection relies on reachability of jolla servers?10:22
Teemuwhat about arp?10:22
TeemuAL13N_jolla: something like that yes10:22
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Teemuwhen i'm on a privately private network the jolla insists on changing to another in the hope of reaching out10:23
Teemui had to delete aalto_open alltogether10:23
gexc-phoneis it the ipv4status thing in connman conf?10:23
AL13N_jollawhy redirect dns? doesn't conman already handle this? maybe chexk proxy logs or dns logs to see why detection fails?10:23
Teemuiptables isn't the most friendly when doing advanced stuff10:24
Teemui'd try pf10:24
gexc-phoneredirecting dns for china gfw lol10:24
gexc-phonehmm...10:24
AL13N_jollaalso rdfirecting dns will break dnssec10:24
gexc-phonethe connection issue is a false alarm though10:25
AL13N_jollaright10:25
gexc-phoneis it possible to tell connman to use my own dns then?10:28
coderus/etc/resolv.conf?10:35
gexc-phone😲10:36
* gexc-phone start playing with this10:37
Mikaeladoes /etc/resolv.conf be overwritten automatically by something? Does resolvconf exist for Sailfish?10:39
coderusMikaela: overwritten bu connman10:40
coderusby*10:40
Mikaelait seems to have good nameserver taste though10:40
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Mikaelawhat is the DNS server on localhost or is something wrong with my system? It seems to have ::1 and 127.0.0.1 here10:41
tbrthat's connman proxying requests10:41
Mikaela:(10:42
MikaelaI thought maybe dnsmasq or unbound that I haven't found yet10:42
tbrwhy is that ":("10:42
MikaelaI have habit of running my own caching DNS server everywhere I can stuck it and that is usually either dnsmasq or unbound10:42
* gexc tried disabling dns redirect and found the false alarm still persists10:44
gexcso probably not a dns issue10:44
AL13N_jolladid you check proxy ligs or tcpdump ?10:45
gexchmm the proxy I use dose not provide detailed logs10:45
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gexcmaybe try tcpdumps then10:46
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AL13N_jollaa proxy without access logs... hmm10:48
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Teemuperhaps it is ip proxy not http proxy10:50
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AL13N_jollaanyway, for dns, its better to set it in connman, rather than using iptables... you could probably even have it connection dependent.10:50
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AL13N_jollaTeemu: i guess so, i don't live in asia...10:50
AL13N_jollai would use openvpn though, much cleaner10:51
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gorilleHello, you know if I should buy a Jolla right now?10:52
gorilleor wait? because I don't know if a Jolla 2 will be release this year10:52
MikaelaI think you should10:52
AL13N_jollaalso, tbr is right, connman can do dnscache just fine10:52
Mikaelaoh, I am not sure on Jolla 210:52
AL13N_jollagorille: jolla 2 is the tablet10:52
gorille(like the pebble, I want buy a pebble but I should wait because a new will be release this year)10:53
gorilleoh10:53
Mikaelahow about jolla phone 2?10:53
AL13N_jollaso yes, buy the combo :-)10:53
gorilleso no new Jolla phone?10:53
AL13N_jollano idea what the future will bring10:53
Teemui personally feel it is not likely there will be multiple devices per year10:54
AL13N_jollabut still, less than 500$ for both tablet and phone... it's a good deal10:54
gorilleyep, but I don't want a tablet :D10:55
AL13N_jollaon top of that, it's a real linux phone10:55
AL13N_jollathe only only afaik10:55
AL13N_jolla*one10:55
gorillejust the phone, and it is release in 2013 so maybe 2015 a new one?10:55
AL13N_jollano idea10:55
AL13N_jollai doubt it10:55
gorilleso cool :)10:55
Teemuthe tablet is not released yet10:55
Teemuit is just announced 201410:56
Teemureleased 201510:56
Teemuit is a small company10:56
AL13N_jollaif there's one, it might be 2018 or something10:56
gorillecool because I don't want buy a Jolla and 3month later a new one is release :)10:56
gorilleso cool :)10:56
gorille(but maybe surprise)10:56
AL13N_jollaI'm using the phone right now in bath :-)10:56
gorilleI don't know what I should do..10:57
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AL13N_jollait's a good phone, lasts several days10:57
AL13N_jollareal linux10:57
gorillemmh it is less better than my Nexus4 :D10:58
AL13N_jollai can do ssh and terminal has all the important keys, like pipe and esc and tab...10:58
gorilleAL13N_jolla: FirefoxOS, Ubuntu Touch are real linux too :D10:58
AL13N_jollabut not on phone, unless yoy put it thete10:58
gorilleAL13N_jolla: we can also do that with AOSP xD10:58
tbrFirefoxOS is rather special in this context10:58
tbras it uses exclusively bionic as the libc and then puts a browser on top of the android foundation10:59
RaYmAn_"real linux" is a bit of a loaded term10:59
RaYmAn_does using GLIBC make it real?10:59
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tbrindeed10:59
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AL13N_jollano, the kernel...10:59
tbrall of them have a linux kernel10:59
RaYmAnthen all android devices are just as real linux :P10:59
Mikaelano idea on Firefox OS, but Ubuntu phone is said to be same Ubuntu as you use with desktop10:59
gorilleAL13N_jolla: so AOSP is a real linux :P11:00
tbrALL, including each and every android phone out there11:00
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tbrubuntu touch is very similar in architecture to sailfish, both use libhybris11:00
AL13N_jollaisn't it just a linux fork, really? i can't seem to bring myself to call the android kernel linux11:01
tbrubuntu uses Mir, sailfish uses Wayland, that's the main difference. Oh and deb instead of RPM (time to put on the asbestos suit)11:01
RaYmAnthere isn't any android kernel as such11:01
tbrAL13N_jolla: no it's not a fork, it is a linux kernel with a set of patches11:01
gorille+1 tbr11:01
tbrAL13N_jolla: what you mean is how OEM/ODM's butcher up the linux kernel for their android devices. But that's absolutely the same for embedded linux devices, often with the same butchered frankenkernel.11:02
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AL13N_jollatrue11:02
AL13N_jollai hope, the tablet is less butchered :)11:03
tbrthe diff between vanilla linux and what AOSP needs is actually decreasing as a few things were merged11:03
tbrI'm rather sure, that it will be a frankenkernel.11:03
tbrbut at least it might be easy enough for users / the community to try and change that11:04
AL13N_jollai guess it always comes down to drivers11:04
AL13N_jollathe thing i dislike about Google's opensource is that they often have their own agenda and fail to actually usr providef community patches.11:05
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tbrnow you're talking about their user-space though11:06
gorilleso Sailfish 2.0 will be available on Jolla (Phone)?11:07
AL13N_jollatrue, but if there's bad practice,  it might end up kernel side too11:07
AL13N_jollagorille: i would hope so11:07
tbrgorille: it was said that it is ONE code line and will be available for both11:08
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tbrit might not be a same-day release, but it is expected to be close (for values of such, might still be 1-2 months)11:08
AL13N_jollaat least, that's what i understood at the fosdem meetings11:08
gorilleok11:08
AL13N_jollatbr: any progress at mer side yet?11:09
tbrAL13N_jolla: on what?11:09
AL13N_jollawasn't stskeeps gonna finish the simplification?11:10
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AL13N_jollaor did i understood that wrongly?11:10
Stskeepsworking atm with faenil to sort out the permissions structure while i do the application part to gitlab/obs11:11
tbrI guess you mean the mer/nemo merge.11:11
AL13N_jollaStskeeps: awesome! keep up the good work11:11
AL13N_jollatbr: yes, sorry11:11
Stskeepstld;r: who has what rights where (this isn't trivial to gather) and then effecting that into obs/gitlab11:11
Stskeepsthrough scripting11:11
AL13N_jollawell, I'm sure it'll take a while for script to be 100% reafy11:12
Stskeepsprobably will go through a review round so nobody feels left out, yeah11:12
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AL13N_jollacool11:13
AL13N_jollaif you don't mind I'll keep poking once in a while. ..11:13
attahI'm feeling stupid.. is there no c++ compiler on the phone? (available in the repos)11:13
Stskeepsno11:14
Stskeepsif you're to do anything, mic a chroot with the right bits11:14
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Stskeepsthe moment you have to build gles stuff you're going to be in massive paiin11:14
Stskeeps:P11:14
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attahokay, PEBKAC.. it was named gcc-c++11:17
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* attah will now attempt to get diag mode on the modem in my jolla12:56
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Stskeepsisn't it like, in /dev?12:56
tbrdo you have a copy of QXDM ready to decode the output? :)12:56
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attahyes /dev/diag12:58
attahno.. i'm using the setup commands from snoopsnitch12:59
attahand in theory that should give me raw protocol data among other things12:59
attahalthough.. i've been known to fuck up before :)13:00
tbrah, so someone did some more reverse engineering on the QC debug protocol?13:00
attahi think they either were let in or just sniffed it13:00
attah(as opposed to a more complete reverse engineering)13:03
attahwell, that did a whole lot of nothing.. "bad message"13:04
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cityoflights2hi all, I still seek an answer to this: How to upgrade a brand new jolla phone using a linux laptop?13:30
Yanielboot it up, create jolla account or log in with your existing one13:30
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Nicd-there's nothing you can do from the laptop really13:30
Yanielconnect to wlan or network, goto settings -> system -> about and pull down the pulley13:31
cityoflights2I don't want to download the upgrade from the phone13:31
Yanielthat's the only way so far13:31
Yanielwhy not?13:31
cityoflights2I will be abroad and have a small internet account13:31
Yanielfind someplace with wifi13:31
Teemuyou can download it over the internet using not 3g/4g but wlan13:31
cityoflights2can I download it now, to my laptop13:32
cityoflights2?13:32
Yanielno13:32
Nicd-no13:32
cityoflights2not good13:32
Yanielwhat is the problem with connecting the phone to wlan and downloading directly there?13:32
cityoflights2wifi traffic limit13:33
Yanielyou can literally do it at the nearest starbucks these days13:33
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Yaniel(not that I'd recommend that)13:34
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attahcityoflights2: what do you mean wifi traffic limit?13:39
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TemeVYaniel: I have litterally done that :)13:44
TemeVI went to starbuck for a cup of overpriced coffee to get my update when I was travelling :)13:45
raa700=)13:45
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fluxoh so description fields are not reactive. nice. is there a way to make them so?18:05
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Nicd-flux: what do you mean?18:12
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fluxI wrote: description: status   and even if the status is updated, description is not18:16
fluxor could there be some other reason?18:17
fluxmaybe that particular instance of 'status' did not change, as I just assigned a value over it.18:17
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Nicd-flux: are you referring to qml? I'm lost without context18:43
M4rtinKflux: careful with status18:45
M4rtinKflux: there is a built-in status property18:45
M4rtinKflux: so you you want to have your own "status" property, use a different name for it :)18:46
fluxm4rtink, that could be a factor, thanks :)18:53
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M4rtinKhad the same issue some time ago18:55
M4rtinKa serious WTF is going on moment :)18:55
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klopsi-u3guten abend ellvis21:49
ellvishola21:49
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RavenholmDXJust upgraded to 64GB21:50
RavenholmDXsure why not21:50
Yanielsince it is intel, maybe we could even get native deivers someday...21:51
Yanieldrivers*21:51
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klopsi-u3by the way I got sailfish shell up and running on Motorola Droid 4 in January21:52
Yanielcool21:52
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klopsi-u3But almost everything else doesnt work yet21:53
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klopsi-u3Is anyone working on a native sailfish app for offline OSM map navigation?21:55
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ellvisanyone get working jabber account with jolla?22:02
tadzikyes22:02
tadzik(xmpp)22:02
fennekkiyeah22:02
fennekkiyou just can't add contacts manually in any sensible way22:02
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ellvisI am having problems to connect to the server. I read about the certificates problem and tried to copy one manualy, but it still don't connect22:03
ellvisI am not sure where is the problem (no logs...)22:03
ellvisare there some tips what to take care about?22:04
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ellvisor is it just for new xmpp accounts?22:17
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