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juicemeTMavica, ping08:04
TMavicaYes08:04
juicemeTMavica, still have not received the TOH's... I have no idea where thy have gone :(08:05
TMavicaI check the site, it is nil stock08:05
TMavicaMaybe ask post office?08:05
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juicemeI guess I have to email Jolla and ask about the package. Went to company mailroom yesterday and asked if there's anything that I have received that they maybe have misplaced but no...08:06
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juicemeI ordered them to my company address, so they should come in mailroom and from there to my office08:06
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juicemeI guess I was able to order before they went out-of-stock since the shop status shows "dispatched"08:07
TMavicabut you paid08:07
TMavica?08:07
juicemeyes I paid :(08:07
TMavicaU ordered how many?08:07
juicemeone of each08:08
juicemejust for you :)08:08
TMavicaEmail to jolla ask about it?08:08
TMavicaI think it misplaced08:08
juicemeI'll do that now08:08
TMavica2 weeks still not receive is impossible08:09
juicemenow am looking at the order in jolla shop:08:09
juiceme600000032 1/21/2015 Jussi Ohenoja €58.00 Shipped08:10
TMavicaNow is 10/2. Lol08:10
juicemeit says "shipped" so at least the shop thinks they have sent them :(08:10
juicemeyes08:10
TMavicaMaybe someone get it. Lol08:11
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MikaelaTMavica: did I understand correctly that you haven't received some TOH you ordered from jolla.com? I ordered the pink one around two weeks ago and they said that they shipped it, but I never got it either08:14
TMavicaYes. Juiceme is that situation08:15
TMavicaHe ordered at 21/1, and few days later shipped, but now still havent receive08:15
Mikaelait's three weeks actually, I am trying to find the email on shipping, but now I found the receipt. 2015-01-21 16:45:06+020008:15
juicemeMikaela, I ordered 2 TOH's, and am going to ship them to TMavica when I get them...08:15
TMavicaLOL08:16
juicemeMikaela, I ordered 21.1 and they told me 26.1 that they have shipped the package....08:17
Mikaelashipping confirmation, "itella lettter, 3-7 days", email received 2015-01-2608:17
TMavicajuiceme: my toholed ship to Hong Kong from Finland is faster than that. Lol08:17
juicemeit has been 2 weeks now from the shipping date... I wonder where did they send them to ?08:17
Mikaela"for questions, contact Post customer service", ok08:17
Mikaelaand the post customer service link is 404 http://www.posti.fi/postipalvelee/asiakaspalvelu/08:18
TMavicaMikaela: have you got the answer yet?08:18
Mikaelaanswer to what?08:18
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TMavicaU still havent receive u said08:18
Mikaelano, I haven't, but I haven't asked anything and didn't think about until I noticed you talking about it08:19
Mikaelaaccording to that estimated time I should have received exactly week ago at maximum08:19
PawkyEhh... did I miss the jolla tablet 3.5G perc option, or has it never been publicised?08:19
MikaelaI haven't heard anything about Jolla tablet with 3G, as far as I am aware, it's WLAN-only08:20
juicemeJust sent a request to zendesk about the shipment. Let's see what they answer?08:20
Mikaelaah, our Post office identification page is unreachable08:21
TMavicajuiceme: my toholed is faster than those. :P08:21
juicemeTMavica yes, kimmoli uses fast horses to deliver :)08:21
kimmoli:)08:22
Mikaelaasiakaspalvelu@posti.com according to http://posti.fi/henkiloasiakkaat/postipalvelee/kysyverkossa/08:22
PawkyMikaela: thats what I thought as well.. but reading the back log of jolla.com it states there has been one perc for it..08:22
juicemeMorning kimmo :)08:22
TMavicaIt is so fit!08:22
Pawkyit would be outrageous if I missed it, as this is really one main feature to have if wanting to be truly mobile08:22
TMavicaMuch more tight than official one08:22
anYcI also think it was never an option. but it was on the wishlist08:22
PawkyanYc: aha, thats what I thought as well... and a bit weird it was rated lower than split screen, i would rather have 3g than split screen. My current Samsung can do split screen, but i never use it...08:23
ikarusMikaela: shipped as letter can mean it can take aslong as 3 weeks even on regular routes, if it exceeds that time, contact both Jolla and your local post office08:24
ikarusMikaela: it's a sort of 19th century quirk in the postal system08:24
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anYcPawky: I don't remember if it was an official statement but I heard it makes production a lot harder due to needed certifications and stuff08:24
Mikaelaikarus: both me and Jolla are supposed to be in Finland and I am contacting the Post office08:24
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PawkyanYc: true...08:25
Pawkystill, using it with the phone will drain both units, which might not be ideal...08:25
Pawkyis there a separate tablet chat by the way?08:25
ikarus*facepalm* a US site is refusing to accept dots in the firstname field08:25
ikarusand legally just my actual firstname + lastname is not my full name and incorrect to refer to me by in official documentation08:26
ikarusso I guess they want me to write all my names full out....08:26
anYcPawky: ah, 3.5g was a strech goal at $2.5m08:27
PawkyanYc: so, they never put a perc out right?08:27
Mikaelaikarus: how long is your full name?08:27
Mikaelamine is 35 characters including the spaces and all official places always cut my name at some point :(08:27
ikarus28, slightly easier08:28
PawkyMikaela: could it be due to finnish being amongst the longest character based languages to date? ;-)08:29
ikarusOn most websites I actually do stuff like order things I just enter my initials as a firstname, even if that makes the site look ridiculous08:29
ikarusit atleast makes orders 100% reliable08:29
Mikaelapossible08:29
MikaelaI don't usually put my middle names anywhere unless they are especially asked and required08:29
ikarusit doesn't help that the name I am addressed to as conventionally is a variation of my second name08:30
ikarusand my mailbox lists my initials08:30
anYcPawky: no, in an update on indiegogo they said $1.8m were raised08:30
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ikarusI've had packages fail because I used that name, gg08:30
MikaelaI see, mine aren't variations08:30
Pawkydamn, that stretch would have been really usefull..08:30
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ikarusMikaela: it's very uh, Dutch08:31
* Mikaela started wondering would IRC accept her full name into that USER command or is it too long08:32
MikaelaMikaela Henriikka Maini Suomalainen08:32
Mikaelaand the only places which uses it where you see it is Microsoft Lync at school for some weird reason08:32
tbrout of curiosity, are you using SIPe to connect to lync?08:33
Mikaelathe official client on Windows if you mean me08:33
ikarusI've written systems here, you need to keep track of the common name, firstnames and lastname as three seperate fields and both first and lastname are optional (but not both obviously) and some other fun quirks, like capitalising anything is not done and firstnames joined by dashes are handled special, etc08:33
ikarusit's a headache of fun08:33
ikarusthe USA is boringly simple with firstname, lastname and perhaps middle names08:35
juicemeMikaela, think about it you could well be called "Laura Jenna Ellinoora Alexandra Camilla Jurvanen" :)08:36
ikarusjuiceme: "Thanks mom" is the correct response to too many names08:36
juicemeikarus, only 2 firstnames okay in the USA?08:36
Mikaelafamous name that no one would forget08:36
ikarusjuiceme: only a single firstname08:36
ikarusjuiceme: middlenames are not names for most purposes in the USA08:37
Mikaelabut doesn't law allow only three middle names?08:37
Mikaelawait, two08:37
tbrMikaela: ok, was just wondering, as I am peripheraly involved in the open source client work for Lync08:37
ikarusMikaela: I hope not, that would be ridiculous08:37
inzMikaela, yes, finnish law allows only "3 first names"08:37
juicemebut people there being from all over da globe you'd suppose they gave their offspring all manner of names?08:37
MikaelaI see08:37
Mikaela:)08:37
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ikarusjuiceme: I think the only Dutch limit is "reasonable" (ie, you must have a reason for having many) and all of them must be sensible, fair names for the kid08:38
MikaelaI was given three first names only because my mother doesn't have middle names and decided to give us all allowed three08:38
Mikaelaand when I changed my name I didn't know about that reason and took these instead of being just Mikaela08:38
ikarusthe rest, free for all08:38
juicemewell yes in finland you are allowed just 3 names, but the manner of the language is combinatory so you fairly well can stack up something like "Laurajenna Ellinoora-alexandra Camillasirpa" :)08:39
Mikaela:D08:39
juicemeikarus, I somehow thought that especially the Dutch av *insensible* names08:40
ikarusI wish Jolla would ship a bit more cheaply for just TOHs08:40
Mikaelafree shipping for that pink TOH here08:40
ikarusjuiceme: we don't have lists of names like Denmark, so some oddities do slip through08:40
ikarusjuiceme: but I mean we have a star mathematician called Ionica08:40
ikarusso yeah, there is some leeway08:41
juicemesince sometima last few centuries when people had only firstnames, they passed a law that people needed surnames too, and some were so pissed they took *very* strange names indeed as a protest08:41
ikarusjuiceme: oh, yes, that, but that is historical, also not so much out of protest as much as out of "damn, I need a name"08:41
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ikarusbefore that we had patronyms and matronyms like Iceland still has08:42
inzMikaela, juiceme, note to earlier, combination names are counted as one name, so "Laura-Jenna Ellinoora-Alexandra Camilla Jurvanen" should be legit08:42
juicemeat least I was told this once by a dutchman, unless he was pulling me badly :)08:42
Mikaelathere weren't spaces in the original one08:42
juicemejuiceme> at least I was told this once by a dutchman, unless he was pulling me badly :)08:42
inzoh, sorry, juiceme already pointed that out08:42
Mikaelas/spaces/dashes/08:42
inznevermind then08:42
ikarusjuiceme: well, we do have lastnames like Naakgeboren, (born naked) and other such oddities08:43
inzMikaela, how do you know, it's a song ;)08:43
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juicemeMikaela, you are correct, I just typed the names with spaces by mistake...08:43
MikaelaI mean the first line from juiceme08:43
ikarusMikaela: meh, the pink one is already sold out, although I'd really would love a purple or red one instead *crosses fingers*08:43
juicemeikarus, exactly08:43
Mikaelapurple would be nice ♥08:43
MikaelaI have red one08:43
ikarusMikaela: oh, pooh08:44
Mikaelaikarus: your nick colour is purple here by the way08:44
ikarusMikaela: heh08:44
ikarusfits me, favourite colour probably08:44
Mikaelasame08:44
juicememine favourite gould be green, and since it is not available my TOHOLED is green :)08:44
MikaelaI like red and pink too though and blue is mostly also ok08:44
ikarushttp://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/comment-image/183469.jpg my old car (well, not that one, but the colour at least)08:45
Mikaela:)08:45
* juiceme has to go, daily kanban starting.08:45
ikarusMikaela: I could do with red, perhaps a lightish blue or pink, but meh, I keep missing out on stuff in the shop08:45
Mikaelathere was together thread on that08:46
Mikaelabye08:46
ikarusMikaela: I just don't visit sites like that often enough :(08:46
Mikaelaikarus: https://together.jolla.com/question/65796/shop-provide-pre-order-possibility-as-other-halfes-and-accessories-are-out-of-stock/08:46
Mikaelathere are also links to other places which have those in stock08:47
ikarusI see the poppy red one, but they haven't done a bright red one yet ?08:48
MikaelaI am not aware of any other red than poppy red08:48
ikarusand no blues other then the Aloe (which isn't quite blue) it seems08:49
* ikarus whips out a Finnish secret decoder ring 08:49
ikarusguess I could try mailing http://www.huoltoaava.fi/tuote-avainsana/jolla-other-half/ as I can't see an obvious international order option, that red kind of grows on me, even though I really want a purple08:52
ikarusmight end up spray painting my white cover :)08:53
ikarus(also have a keira black to fall back on)08:53
pptohkbd <308:53
urssooon!08:54
MikaelaI don't see anything anywhere on where they ship08:54
ikaruspp: heh, ordered that one in alumite08:54
ikarusas alumite is really nice08:54
* pp has a black wireless charging funkytoh that has cracked quite a bit :(08:55
ikarusbut I might use a transparent paint over alumite to make it look nicer08:55
ppoh well, fall back to first one while waiting for the keyboard :-)08:55
ikarusI've done that before with shapeways alumide (sorry, d, not t)08:55
ikarusit looks gorgeous08:55
ikarusdark purple, slightly sparkly08:55
ikarusMikaela: often companies are more then willing to if you just contact them08:57
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Mikaelaprobably. I think they mentioned info@ somewhere08:59
ikarusyup, so I'll poke them, see if I can get a "red" one and then later order, I guess the pink from Jolla, unless they suddenly decide to make a purple one, I want some variation when not using TOHKBD09:00
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Mikaelasoon Jolla eats most of my money if they start making all TOHs that I like09:00
ikarusheh09:01
ikarusI am hoping to get in touch with Dirk soon to see how work it is to swap cases on TOHKBDs, because I might want another one aswell, know the files will be/are public, but no idea how hard swapping around really is09:02
ikarusMikaela: I think I'd stop with a red, purple/pink and a light blue09:03
ikarusperhaps if they release a pure red09:03
MikaelaI think I would be happy with popey red, pink (when it arrives) and purple (if it's released)09:03
ikarusMikaela: shall we pressure jolla into a proper purple one :P09:04
Yanielquite some "redheads" you are09:05
Mikaelasure09:05
Mikaelabut I don't ever remember which people were in jolla unless it's voting at together09:05
MikaelaI think that my red haircolour is already leaving as I have only had it once09:05
ikaruscurrently sporting dark blue (almost purpleish, coincidence, I think not)09:06
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ikarusI mean I have bootloaders that will validate a RSA signature and use XTEA to decrypt the firmware09:07
ikarus(as a overkill example project, I wouldn't dare unleash that on the worlld)09:07
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* SK_work looks at the jobs offers @ Jolla and found:11:41
SK_workpython, d3, backbone, marionette, linux kernel, gcc, scratchbox, Dota 2, sauerbraten are regarded as an advantage11:41
SK_workDOTA 2 ?11:41
SK_work:D11:41
tadzikhahaa11:42
tadzik"use and like technically driven JFDI or similar methodologies"11:43
ninnnuSK_work: Sauerbraten isn't exactly a..tool, either.11:45
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chem|stSK_work: I make an excellent sauerbraten, have a backbone, d3 and dota 2 - so I have all softskills needed, right?11:45
tadzikI wonder how big of a plus competitive experience is :P11:48
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ikarusninnnu: erm, I have seen more joblistings including the office games12:00
ikarusMinecraft is a popular one12:00
j-doge4k+ MMR or don't bother applying12:01
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jaacoppiso that's why new updates always take so long, wednesdays and fridays are DotA tournament days?12:12
jaacoppitalka about casual friday12:13
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j-dogeno, friday is no-pants-day, dota is tuesdays and thursdays, doom is on mondays12:18
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fluxwhen will someone port doom to jolla, btw?12:27
fluxit should work decently with tohkbd ;-), at least if it tolerates any keys pressed at the same time12:27
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HartziDuke Nukem 3D would be also nice13:00
Hartziworked fine on N90013:01
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SK_workchem|st: :)13:04
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cityoflights2hi, is there now and official way to buy a second battery?13:19
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anYcthere was an official sale a few weeks ago but it's sold out13:29
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SK_workhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2881152/ddos-malware-for-linux-systems-comes-with-sophisticated-custombuilt-rootkit.html?sf7361556=114:24
SK_workmaybe disable SSH password access on Jolla ?14:24
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Nicd-or don't have a lousy password14:26
lainwir3d+1 :P14:26
lainwir3dor install fail2ban (or something similar)14:27
Nicd-https://howsecureismypassword.net/14:27
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lainwir3d3 tentatives or banned for 2hours14:27
Nicd-you can use that to calculate how long it would take to bruteforce. except it was only 60000 per 24h which is nothing14:27
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SK_workNicd-: nice website :)14:28
lainwir3dyes and no14:28
lainwir3dI may be paranoid14:29
lainwir3dbut I won't enter my password there14:29
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Nicd-I don't either14:29
Nicd-but enter something similar14:29
Teemu:D14:29
Nicd-of similar length14:29
lainwir3dknowing they will have my ip with my ssh server using this password14:29
the_mgttext passwords suck like hell on non physical keybaards14:29
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lainwir3d"This site could be stealing your password... it's not, but it easily could be. Be careful where you type your password."14:30
lainwir3dhahaha14:30
the_mgtyet another legacy train wreck. I can not type a 30+ character password without errors on a virtual keyboard14:30
Teemuthe_mgt: don't use virtual keyboreds14:30
Nicd-the_mgt: tohkbd will save us!14:30
Teemuget physical14:30
lainwir3d\o/14:30
the_mgtyesterday, I ordered a textblade14:30
the_mgtbut wireless keyboards are yet another source of angst14:31
the_mgtand I like my Lastu Case for my Jolla so much, I did not order a TOHKBD14:31
Teemuwho said anything about not beinr wired?14:31
SK_worklainwir3d: I entered siomething ressembling my pw14:31
the_mgtTeemu: https://waytools.com/products/textblade/1/trailer this is wireless14:32
Nicd-the_mgt: but the TOHKBD has a lastu back... :)14:32
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the_mgtNicd-: but if it had the card storage leather thing, it would be one hell of a brick to carry14:32
the_mgthttp://lastucase.com/product/lastu-wallet-case-for-jolla-lompakko-wallet-case-cover-suojakuori/ i have one of those14:33
Nicd-I've been thinking about a lastu cover for my laptop... it would look so awesome14:34
the_mgtalthough I am not really satisfied with the build quality. at least it should be easy to repair. I hope the tablet wrap is a bit tougher14:34
the_mgtlogging into the jolla's ssh with rsa key is disabled by default?14:36
Nicd-don't remember but you'd have to add the keys anyway14:39
the_mgtI did and it does not work14:40
the_mgtneed to check the config14:40
Nicd-check permissions14:40
Nicd-of authorized_keys14:40
Nicd-needs to be -rw-------14:41
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the_mgtatm, I get connection refused. will try again later14:44
Nicd-check journalctl, it'll have the reason14:45
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the_mgtNicd-: sshd got killed somehow14:52
the_mgtand yes, it was a permission thing, thanks14:52
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cityoflights2thanks anYc14:58
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ballockI intend to extend the built-in btrfs with an sdcard17:02
ballockI know.this makes the sd non-detachable17:02
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ballockbut I am wondering if it will boot (is the sd initialized early enough during boot) and if theres no bugs in the device kernel17:04
Stskeepsit takes a bit too long and you'd need to convince the initrd17:04
ballockoh, you tried that?17:05
ballockrootwait ?17:05
ballockor the driver is in initrd?17:05
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ballockanyway, I was going to ask about recovery mode17:08
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ballockcause I.didn't want to unlock the bootloader just in case17:09
ballockall of it is in initrd and I should be possible to unl8ck it even with borked btrfs?17:09
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ballockping?17:23
Stskeepsit's in the initrd the mounting happens nowadays afaik17:23
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coderushello, can i somehow create online bank account in finland if i'm not from finland?18:15
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mdxthcoderus, http://www.suomenpankki.fi/en/suomen_pankki/faq/pages/muut_asiat.aspx18:19
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Miskioh, it's a typo in that faq. I spent a while staring at "The Federation of Finnish Services" and thinking it's a really odd translation of "Finanssialan keskusliitto", but the correct translation is "The Federation of Finnish Financial Services"18:23
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coderusmdxth: okay thanks. i have nothing of requires stuff to do it :D18:33
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mdxthcoderus, you can always ask :)18:35
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ppit's probably very very difficult if not impossible19:37
pponline banking account -> strong authentication -> they need to see you and your passport (not even drivers license)19:38
ppand there's actually a lot of noise that banks don't want to give the accounts to people with financial problems (despite them being pretty much mandatory for getting stuff done like filing your taxes online)19:38
ppso that probably applies to foreigners as well19:39
Mikaelaidentity card should probably also work, but I have no idea if those exist outside of Finland19:39
MikaelaI just know that the Finnish identity card is mostly accepted in EU19:39
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Aardcoderus: with a russian passport you won't be able to get an _online_ banking account in finland20:01
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Aardyou'd need a residence permit here, then you could get a finnish id card for foreigners, and that'd be accepted by the bank20:02
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Mikaelahttps://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/pages/F082D8AB29097DB5C2256C29002BA66C?opendocument or more specifically https://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/pages/513603EA7EF737BEC2256C29002BD52D?opendocument on those foreigner ones20:03
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Aardid cards or passports of other EU states meeting the security requirements will work as well (sometimes with additional nudging), but the russian passports don't meet those standards (same for a lot of other passports, like US)20:04
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coderusAard: expected, thanks20:23
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MorgawrHeyho, I pledged to the indiegogo campaign for a tablet + phone, how do I redeem my phone?21:22
Stskeepsif you don't get an answer from here, contact care at jolla.zendesk.com :)21:25
svuorelahow do I redeem my tablet? :)21:27
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MorgawrStskeeps: thanks21:35
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* keithzg still hasn't gotten his tablet, this is clearly unacceptable ;)21:56
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