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coderusAdded whitelist ip for SSH Access confirmation v0.3.0: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation08:27
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cityoflights2was there any exciting news at FOSDEM?09:52
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tadzikjolla-related? Not really11:36
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Stskeepsthere was a code and i think that was it11:38
tbrI found the roundtables interesting, other parts were much less nice11:40
Stskeepsah, yes11:41
* Stskeeps is having a real bad amnesia day11:41
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tadzikargh. I sent one SMS to both of my parents, and now when I get a message from either Messages opens the group chat window, which makes me reply to both11:50
tadzikstupid11:50
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Pawkydoes anyone else have the same issue, its not possible to choose another language on your keyboard? I have Swedish and English, but even if I choose English, it sticks with Swedish...12:04
tadzikhmm, it switches nicely for me12:05
Pawky(its the latest official firmware 1.1.1.27)12:05
tadzikI would like if I could swipe the keyboard left/right to change languages rather than holding space12:05
fluxI wonder if that's patented :)12:09
Pawkynot even when deselecting the swedish keyboard as an option (only keeping the english) it will change to English12:09
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Pawkyand it doesnt work if manually choosing active keyboard... its still Swedish.... (luckily)12:10
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Morgawrmmm.. I pledged for the campaign 3 days ago and still no phone code (or whatever) to order it... where do I get it? is this normal?12:20
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joonahoi_Morgawr: you pledged for a combo?12:24
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Morgawrjoonahoi: yes12:27
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joonahoiI think being half way through day 3 (in business days) fits well in to the promise "In a few business days after your contribution..."12:30
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Morgawrjoonahoi: alright, if it's normal then it's good :) I was just worried the order was lost somewhere or whatnot12:32
MorgawrI'll keep eagerly waiting then12:32
cityoflights2joonahoi: which pledge is it?12:33
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vakkovDeveloper Taixzo needs a Jolla phone to port his Google now-like client Saera to Sailfish. Help him at - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/supporting-the-development-of-saera-on-sailfishos12:44
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tadzikhmm, more like Siri-like :)12:49
tadzikmaybe it evolved since I last saw it on N90012:49
Nicd-even using copyrighted apple graphics it seems...12:51
Shinryuuthat's random12:56
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teve013:22
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jaacoppianandrkris: didn't get my jolla yet. It should arrive today, but I'm away for work. I'll probably have time to start using it on monday14:09
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anandrkrisanandrkris: cool :)14:10
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anandrkrisHi - Current 'Edit' Mobile data option, why can it not be shown as next page?14:12
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anandrkrisCurrent option is not discoverable as per few posts i have seen...14:13
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anandrkrisor it could be under Pulley14:27
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anandrkrishttps://together.jolla.com/question/81017/setting-mobile-data-edit-easily-discoverable/ filed here :)14:40
Nicd-ooooh there's an edit there14:41
Nicd-would have never guessed it14:41
anandrkrisSeriously, there is lot of inconsistencies in UI14:42
anandrkrisother day i was demo'ing my phone to bro and he was asking why pulley at times and why button at times...14:42
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anandrkrisSet an Ambience as favorite is through star'ing it...why not pulley? It allows 4 options :)14:43
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Nicd-yeah, there are some inconsistencies14:44
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j-dogejust out of curiosity: does anybody use themselves or know somebody that uses Yahoo! services like mail and/or calendar?14:46
anandrkrisNicd- : Mobile data - Edit is an Easter egg i suppose ;)14:46
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sebsebsebhi17:20
Stskeepsmoo17:20
sebsebsebanyone bought an Ubuntu Phon today? :d17:21
sebsebsebheh heh17:21
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javispedrooh, anyone indeed? ;P17:27
javispedroanyone knows of any minimally technical review of it? do they use mir?17:28
sebsebsebjavispedro: yeah did you?17:28
sebsebsebyou maen Ubunu PHone?17:28
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javispedrono I didn't buy it, and yes, the ubuntu phone17:28
sebsebsebI was going to buy one today, and yes I already got a Jolla17:29
sebsebsebhowever I guess it wasn't meant to be me buying an Ubuntu Phone today17:29
sebsebsebsince wanted to check money first etc,  and then yeah sold out17:29
sebsebsebhowever there should be another flash sale next week17:29
javispedrothe price is interesting, but mediatek? :vomit:17:29
javispedro(albeit I guess that's just me...)17:29
sebsebsebwhat do you mean mediatek ?17:30
sebsebsebwhat's mediatek?17:30
sebsebsebit shoudn't be that much realy, it's on a phone that's already a year old17:30
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sebsebsebthat's been on ale with Android17:30
javispedromain chip17:30
sebsebsebso just over 100 pounds seems ok to me17:30
javispedrothe price looks to me like a hint they're going to go serious with `ecosystem' (stores, etc.) despite what they're saying now17:31
sebsebsebjavispedro: apparnatly sold out in 6 minutes each  time or whatever17:31
sebsebsebwith 12000 orders per minute hmm17:31
sebsebsebwhat do you mean ecosystem?17:31
sebsebsebgetting it out in real shops?17:31
sebsebsebjavispedro: I guess when it has the convergene feature sure17:31
javispedrono, putting out program, music, or whatever stores17:32
sebsebseband  same for the other company17:32
sebsebsebdid anyone buy that Angry Birds Jolla phone?17:32
sebsebsebthat seemed so ponitless to me17:32
sebsebsebwhy buy a whole new Jolla phone for that17:32
sebsebsebif  it was just a cover fine, but  nope17:32
sebsebsebcover the other half17:33
Mikaelathe other half looks nice though17:33
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sebsebsebI did get to see a speical other get used, by a Jolla staff wink wink that :d17:33
sebsebsebother half17:34
sebsebsebhad access to some addiotnal stuff17:34
sebsebsebJolla phone :)17:34
sebsebsebUbuntu Phone soon I guess17:34
sebsebsebMarch or whatever17:34
sebsebsebJolla tablet May :)17:35
sebsebsebjust need something with FirefoxOS to in a way really :d17:35
MikaelaI think I am happy with Jolla and I don't have immediate need to move. Ubuntu phone is interesting though as from what I understood, it's the same Ubuntu you run on desktop17:35
sebsebsebMikaela: no not quite17:35
sebsebsebit's17:35
sebsebseba bit diffenret17:36
Mikaelaa bit as in different CPU type?17:36
sebsebseb,but later on should be able to connct it to a screen and monitor a Ubuntu Phone device I mean and turn it into yep a standard Ubuntu computer17:36
sebsebsebMikaela: no  the OS that's run on Ubuntu Phone is a bit differnet to I think17:36
sebsebsebfrom  the desktop one17:36
Mikaelahow much different, I wonder17:37
sebsebsebJolla lost some people to it17:38
Mikaelaoh and I also remember that now s this weeka nd with luck there is that early access available17:38
sebsebsebthat would have otherwisused Jolla17:38
sebsebsebMikaela: what was that just now?17:38
Mikaelano updates yet17:38
Mikaela*now is this week and with...17:39
Mikaelamy typing has been bad for days17:39
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sebsebsebsoon I'll be able to use my Jolla as a phone to :D17:39
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sebsebsebsince I am about to switch network17:39
sebsebseband  then I can use the microsim in it to and yeah :)17:39
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the_mgtI am wondering about all this "use it as a real computer" stuff. cpu doesnt get faster only because you attach a 27" monitor to the device17:40
sebsebsebthe_mgt: true17:40
sebsebseb,but17:41
sebsebsebUbuntu shoudn't need really powrful hardware to run anyway17:41
sebsebsebsinc it's a Linux distro :)17:41
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sebsebseba bit like the Jolla phone,  the harware is a year or so old, not majorly powerful  but good enough to ru the OS,since it's a LInux  distro :)17:41
the_mgtI could imagine the Jolla Tablet to be slightly useful, when connected to a tv and using it with a bluetooth keyboard17:42
sebsebsebyeah Jolla tablet will be nice to get :)17:43
the_mgtbut it is still only an advanced typewriter17:43
SQUelcheryay, my jolla is on the way back to me.. properly fixed this time, i hope...17:43
the_mgtjavispedro: thanks for your work on the pebbel app, btw17:44
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javispedrothe_mgt: yw17:51
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javispedrohttp://www.tizenexperts.com/2015/02/russian-federation-help-tizen-sailfish-battle-android-ios/ heh.17:58
trt`yep17:59
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trt`I wish the Chinese do that too17:59
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trt`..and India17:59
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sebsebsebjavispedro: yes I read something about that18:05
sebsebsebwhat you think of RUssia giving money for that?18:05
RavenholmDXthe_mgt, what pebble app?18:07
javispedroi suspect someone's talking out of his ass there, mostly :)18:07
trt`yeah.. it's all propaganda with Russia18:08
trt`new bombs, new ways.. scaring the west..18:08
RavenholmDXI'm surprised Russia would promote anything Finnish18:08
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the_mgtRavenholmDX: the one from warehouse, by smoku18:09
the_mgtwith a lot of love added by javispedro18:09
RavenholmDXAh, yeah, that's what I'm using18:09
the_mgtjavispedro: do you use your bluetooth LE stuff in combination with the pebble? does it help save battery life?18:10
RavenholmDXIn that case, thanks javispedro18:10
trt`RavenholmDX, Russia almost had their gas pipe South Stream goes through Turkey18:10
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trt`In the name of a cause you'd pick your lesser enemies as supporters18:12
RavenholmDXYeah I guess18:12
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javispedrothe_mgt: the pebble doesn't use LE18:19
javispedroso.. no =)18:20
javispedroof all the watches I know only the MW actually uses LE as main protocol18:20
javispedroand the results there are .. mixed18:20
javispedrothere is some battery improvement on the phone side, but not much on the watch side18:21
javispedrothe big difference is latency18:21
javispedroLE has much lower latency when pairing or even when resuming from low power mode (because it doesn't need one)18:21
javispedroalso bandwidth, it is really ridiculous18:22
javispedroridiculously low that is. which is probably the reason most protocols use LE for discovery but fall back to BDR+RFCOMM / 2.1 for normal operation18:23
javispedro(that seems to be the case for both the gear2 and the androidWear)18:23
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javispedro... aaand I got carried away again :)18:24
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the_mgtah, I see. I had expected that it would only increase battery lifetime on the phone18:24
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javispedrobtw Stskeeps, moo. testing the bluez2 at the moment18:25
the_mgtI saw that there was an LE entry for my pebble on my ipad, but it might just be for discovery, as you say18:25
Stskeepsjavispedro: how is it?18:25
Stskeepstell me all about it :)18:25
javispedrowell... "one size fits all"18:25
javispedroI assume I have larger-than-average head18:25
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javispedroso most of the pressure on my head seems to come from the batteries, not the actual speakers..18:25
javispedroand it leaks _a lot_18:26
Stskeepsinteresting, considering they're saying it has reduced18:26
Stskeepsdid you test it by a microphone by chance, to see what it actually leaks?18:27
javispedrothe_mgt: they also use LE for the "Apple Notification Center Service" on iPad/iPhone, but for normal communication they talk a propietary bluetooth "made for ipod" protocol18:27
javispedroStskeeps: I only have my laptop's builtin mic around right now, may try later18:28
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Stskeepsok18:29
the_mgtStskeeps: one for your gadget collection: http://www.necomimi.com Brainwave Cat Ears...18:29
Stskeepsjavispedro: how about bluetooth capabilities?18:29
javispedroStskeeps: I wonder... is it normal that if you put those over your ears, I can actually listen with more volume18:29
javispedrothan if I put them around the 'cheekbone' area?18:29
javispedroI mean, that's how loud they leak.18:30
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javispedroalso funny: putting them inside a cardboard box18:32
javispedroplenty of "the surprisingly-loud speaking cardboard box" jokes today :)18:32
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Stskeepsjavispedro: O_o18:35
Stskeepswell, it's probably not nice to put those vibrations right there18:35
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Stskeepsit takes a bit of adjustment, i'm ok with a little in front of my ears18:35
Stskeepsdoes your have a f**king annoying blue led too?18:35
javispedrono leds at all while on18:36
Stskeepsi had to tape mine up18:36
Stskeepsit was doing it every 10 seconds18:36
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javispedroheh18:36
the_mgtare you fooling around with bone conductive headsets?18:36
javispedromore or less18:36
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Stskeepsthe_mgt: i like obscure technology18:38
javispedroStskeeps: re bluetooth... it seems to curiously support RFC-2250/MPEG2 audio18:39
javispedrono apt-X nor AAC18:39
javispedroand obviously SBC (standard)18:39
javispedrodunno about MPEG2, but it's probably no better than SBC.18:40
Stskeepsok18:40
Stskeepsso i probably did the right thing to get wired, for experiments18:40
javispedroyeah18:40
javispedroit does pair with the jolla without a problem18:40
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Stskeepsgood18:41
Stskeepsa2dp?18:41
Stskeepsi presume18:41
javispedroyep18:41
javispedrohm18:41
Stskeepsany other services on the thing? :P18:41
javispedroyeah, handsfree18:42
javispedrohm18:42
Stskeepsok18:42
javispedrothis deserves more experiemntation though18:42
javispedroit might actually handle mp318:42
javispedrothat's surprising, but so is the mpeg2 entry..18:42
Stskeepsi really wonder why dual direction a2dp isn't a thing18:43
javispedrobandwidth prob18:43
Stskeepslike, high quality microphone input, and output18:43
Stskeepsbut even so, high quality audio out, and low quality input, would be nice18:43
javispedrohm, seems that android is actually capable of doing Mp3 streams18:44
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javispedro*crazy projects18:46
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javispedrolamemp3 is quite transparent these days, quite certainly better than sbc18:47
javispedrodunno about the latency, though18:47
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ShadowJKvoice codecs seem to accidentally works as noise filters too18:50
ShadowJKas a side effect of being able to encode voices well but other sounds poorly18:51
javispedroyeah, I often use a similar trick to hide scanner noise in jpeg images =)18:52
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javispedroif I leave the headset in pairing one ends up looking like robocop (blue/red flashing light and VISOR-like device in head)18:59
Nicd-I uploaded my GPS speedometer to openrepos: https://openrepos.net/content/nicd/pitot19:00
Nicd-my first openrepos app, yay19:00
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javispedroat some point, I ponder if a static library with a QtPositioning-like API that would directly call gypsy's D-Bus API would be a good way to workaround insane harbour policies19:05
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cvp_Cant Connect with GoPro Hero 4 Black - https://together.jolla.com/question/44075/anyone-tried-the-android-app-for-gopro-wifi-cameras/?answer=81031#post-id-8103119:07
Nicd-javispedro: I'm hoping they will allow it this spring, would probably take longer to make a library that masquerades the issue19:08
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Azogdoes someone have the accounthelper.apk from https://together.jolla.com/question/40308/how-to-add-google-account-for-android-apps/ ? download is not working anymore20:30
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* sebsebseb Giffgaff here I come tommorow, assuming things go all to plan :)21:23
sebsebseband then dum de dum21:23
sebsebsebsince I got a microsim for that yep21:23
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sebsebsebI can actasully start using my Jolla phone as well a phone :D21:23
sebsebsebawesome! :)21:23
trt`:)21:23
sebsebsebtrt`: yep :)21:24
trt`what kinda phone have you been using as a phone so far sebsebseb21:24
sebsebsebwell old pones years ago, old Nokia ones, but  the one I been using for just over two years now21:24
sebsebsebwell21:24
sebsebsebone I didn't really want to buy as such, but well Nexus 4 was sold out at the time so21:25
sebsebseband it was a popuar enough one etc,  Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini21:25
trt`i see21:25
sebsebsebI won't retire it completly it's a nice pocket sizzed phone :d21:25
sebsebsebJolla is a bit big21:25
the_mgtbuy pants with bigger pockets21:26
the_mgtI did that21:26
trt`wouldn't you miss apps if you mainly use your jolla?21:26
sebsebsebwhat Android apps?21:26
sebsebsebnah21:26
sebsebsebwell21:26
sebsebseb1. to many of htem really21:26
sebsebsebso only tried out a few anyway on  that phone and some on a cheap tablet to21:26
sebsebseb2.  I can run mot Andorid apps on Jolla anyway it turns out :D awesome :)21:26
sebsebsebor so it seems :)21:26
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trt`brb gotta take dogs out..21:27
sebsebseb3.  well there are native Jolla apps to play around with to :)21:27
sebsebsebSalifishOS apps21:27
trt`got more to say on the topic21:27
the_mgtI am only missing Torque21:27
sebsebsebalso I coudn't buy one today since when I Was going to already sold out21:27
sebsebseb,but yes21:27
sebsebsebI am going to buy an Ubuntu Phone to :)21:27
sebsebsebthen just need something with FirefoxOS on it to heh heh, and maybe webos  I read that it's on something now :d21:28
Teemuwebos as in the thing 3com made after palmos?21:29
sebsebsebyeah  palmos made it21:31
sebsebseband sold it to someone21:31
sebsebsebthere was something at CES with it on I think from what I read don't remember what now though21:31
M4rtinKPalm and then HP made webOS21:31
trt`:)21:31
MorgawrHow well does google music play on Jolla? I have yet to get my phone21:31
M4rtinKfor the Pre phones and the TouchPad tablet21:31
the_mgtLG uses webos on TVs, iirc21:32
trt`See, I have a Galaxy S5 9size doesn't bother me) but my concern is.. if I get a Jolla i don't know if all the apps will run21:32
trt`especially banking ones21:32
Teemuhere is a sailfish native youtube player21:33
Teemuworks nicely21:33
trt`I'd love to play with them all... See how they are - Firefox OS, Sailfish, RIM21:33
sebsebsebtrt`: yes difent OS's are phone21:34
M4rtinKthe cheap Firefox OS make for a good advanced dumbphone21:34
sebsebsebOS's are fun :d21:34
sebsebsebdiffernet ones21:34
sebsebsebiOS may not be that phone, but hmm I actsaully gave in21:34
M4rtinKhas a decent browser, wifi APP, some basic apps21:34
sebsebsebthe other wek and bought my first Apple product but at quite a discounted price for one :d21:35
sebsebsebiOS may not be that fun, above that was meant to say21:35
M4rtinKyou just need to keep the alarm clock application focused or it won't wake you up in the morning :)21:35
trt`:)21:37
trt`what do you mean focused?21:37
M4rtinKif you switch to another app21:38
M4rtinKor to desktop21:38
trt`like on?21:38
M4rtinKthe alarm will not sound on the Firefox OS device :)21:38
trt`oh wow21:38
M4rtinKa friend of mine managed to sleep in like this once :)21:39
sebsebsebM4rtinK: have you got a FIrfoxOS device?21:39
M4rtinKso it is kinda basic21:39
M4rtinKyeah21:39
M4rtinKthe Alcatel one21:39
sebsebsebM4rtinK: whre did you buy one from?21:39
M4rtinKsome random guy in Poland :)21:39
trt`:)21:39
trt`M4rtinK, you in Polland?21:39
M4rtinKcos me about 35€21:40
M4rtinK*cost21:40
M4rtinKCzech Republic21:40
sebsebsebM4rtinK: what from Ebay or something?21:40
trt`oh ok21:40
trt`I heard Windows Phone is big in Polland21:40
M4rtinKit was about ~900 Czech Crowns21:40
M4rtinKwhich is pretty cheep for a decent dumbphone/smartphone hybrid21:40
trt`how is WP doing in Czech Republic21:40
M4rtinKyou can see it sometimes but not very often21:41
M4rtinKmostly android21:41
the_mgttrt`: I have one banking app and it works nice. It is possibly easier and more trustworthy if you get them via play store21:41
trt`I see21:41
M4rtinKor dumbphones or still symbian nokias :)21:41
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trt`the_mgt,  where you at?21:42
the_mgtgermany21:42
* sebsebseb thinks he should do phon stuff tonight really, then wait for number to be moved over and :d21:42
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the_mgtand wrt ios devices, the integration is so bloody nice. airplay with apple tv really rocks, using itunes to manage music on devices, syncing contacts/calendars without the cloud21:43
* sebsebseb thinks buying EU to UK adapters whilst on the way back from Belgium, was a clever move acauly, since yes other chargers can be used, but turns out Ubuntu Phone gets sent with a EU one to not UK it seems21:43
sebsebsebyes can use another charge or USB21:44
sebsebseb,but now  not complety useless21:44
the_mgtandroid sucks so much in this regard21:44
trt`the_mgt, im in the US and here we mostly get paid with paychecks. No direct deposits and all21:44
trt`and with banking apps you deposit your paychecks by just taking a picture21:45
the_mgttrt`: haha, that is so backwards...21:45
trt`:)21:45
trt`well... it is what it is ;)21:45
the_mgthere, everything works with wire transfer21:45
trt`anyway, I thought, since it has to use the camera UI of the Jolla phone.. it might get complicated... I don't know21:46
the_mgtand we distrust banking cards, credit cards even more21:46
the_mgtandroid can easily use the jolla camera21:46
trt`ok21:47
sebsebsebthe_mgt: so your saying iOS is good?21:47
sebsebsebthe_mgt: well  I just over a week ago I bought a Ipad Air  at quite a discounted price,  altough  admitedly nt taken out of the box just yet, becaues of certain reasons etc21:48
sebsebseb,but soon :)21:48
sebsebseblet's see what the hype is really about21:48
sebsebsebor not about :d21:48
trt`iOS runs fast21:48
trt`not customizable tho21:48
sebsebsebtrt`: do you know pounds?21:48
sebsebsebtrt`: can't remember the euros price now for that Ipad Air 1st generation,  but in pounds it would be like £211 seemed like a deal to me :d21:49
sebsebsebheh I looked at Argos a popualr  thing in UK for stuff21:49
sebsebseband yeah they sell for like £150 more21:49
sebsebseb£356 uh21:49
sebsebsebtrt`: yeah some peole whine about hat it not being customisable21:50
sebsebseb,but I suppouse the Apple brand is the brand, and the look is the look, and well that's Apple21:50
sebsebsebfor both hardware and software21:50
sebsebsebheh heh the Windows 7 Starter Editiont that came on this net book isn't really comstiable or as such either, can't change background, wel I guess there's a way to hack it,  but you know actauly it's not so bad for Windows that starter editon21:51
trt`hm21:51
sebsebsebtrt`: why hmm?21:53
the_mgtsebsebseb: the apple devices are kind of expensive, i don't know if they are overprized though. my gf still uses a macbook from 2006. gbit lan, wifi class g. it gets loud and hot when she watches youtube videos. the rest works flawless21:53
trt`I'm just dropping a line while I'm reading back what was said21:53
trt`so you see that i'm paying attention ;)21:53
sebsebsebthe_mgt: indeed they are expesive, but I got one for like  £150 less than the UK price :D21:53
trt`kidding21:54
sebsebseb£256 Argos and I got for like £21121:54
sebsebsebno no21:54
sebsebsebthat's21:54
sebsebseb£356  Argos21:54
sebsebseband I ggot for like £21121:54
trt`I can't really say if that's a lot.. after all I never wanted an iPad21:54
trt`and cared for one21:54
sebsebsebtrt`: no I din't really either as such21:54
sebsebsebwell a part of me did a little21:54
sebsebsebwel wanting some sort of Apple product21:54
the_mgtalso, they have a resell value. most windows boxes and android phones don't21:54
sebsebsebdespite the amount of Apple dislikers I know on IRC and so on21:54
trt`But I got myself a Surface more than a year ago for $20021:54
sebsebsebI guess the  Apple fan boys21:55
sebsebsebor fan boy  at my speaking group got at me a bit21:55
sebsebsebyeah  got some right Apple fan boys in my public speaking group uh21:55
sebsebsebpeopel who think Apple is so great, but actaully these people also arne't exactly technical21:55
sebsebsebanyway I'l have osme interesting devices that  could show people and compare to each other a bit even :D21:56
sebsebseband talk about :d.   Jolla phone :)21:56
sebsebsebSamsuing Glaxy S3 Mini no no not that, that's boring now, and old21:56
the_mgtgotta go to sleep now, good night21:56
sebsebsebcheap Android tablet I got, no not that iether,  with Jelly Bean.  Ubuntu Phone?  yah I guess :)  Jolla tablet once got sure :)21:57
sebsebseband then can be like and yeah that's ipad, but.... look21:57
trt`I don't really like tablets much21:57
sebsebseband  this is about21:57
sebsebseb....21:57
sebsebsebtrt`: yeah same21:57
sebsebsebI am a touch typist21:57
trt`next tech device im buying is a all-in-one computer21:57
sebsebseb16 years or so, and I mean look above,  you can see I type fast and a lot :d21:57
sebsebsebyes on a net boo keyboard  right now so fast :)21:58
sebsebsebon a phone or tablet touch screen, well that's not me really, and that's ages for me to do messages21:58
sebsebsebtakes ages above21:58
sebsebsebtrt`: the Mint box the new one that will be sold in Spring21:59
sebsebsebthat seems interesing to21:59
sebsebseba small desktop comuter it seems' for reaosnably cheap, conidering buying that to :d21:59
sebsebsebalso that Intel stick  seems intersing to, but I think that was a only sold in USA for now thing so eh21:59
trt` sebsebseb i have ubuntu on my laptop22:00
sebsebsebtrt`: I mean this for the Mint one: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/linux-mintbox-mini-specs-pc-price22:00
sebsebseband seems the isreali company behind it has someting simiilar for sale at the moment22:00
trt`it's missing some stuff22:00
sebsebsebtrt`: Mageia is my distributon of choice for uhmm yeah the begning rally :)22:01
trt`I can't even apply for some jobs, cuz I have an Ubuntu22:01
sebsebsebtrt`: plus been to eents, meet contributers etc22:01
sebsebsebdid that again  the other weekend, fun :)22:01
sebsebsebtrt`: oh you know something about Mageia?22:01
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trt`nothing22:01
sebsebsebtrt`: ok well I'l link you to a video then taken at the event the other weekend :)22:01
trt`I mean as a whole Linux has a lot of software missing22:01
sebsebseblasts a few minutes22:01
trt`ok :)22:01
sebsebseb,but explaisn nicely what Mageia is about etc :)22:01
trt`I'f love to learn tho22:02
trt`away now tho..22:02
sebsebsebtrt`: well for later then22:04
sebsebsebtrt`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDLNbA6kERI&feature=youtu.be22:04
sebsebsebtrt`: I used to run Ubuntu for yaers as my deksotp LInux distribution of choie scond relae in  2005 to 2009, but yeah not anymore22:04
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sebsebseboh yeah and started with Fedora 2 and 4, ,but oudn't use online at the  time since...  Desktop LInux since 2004 yeah :)22:05
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