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the_mgthm, what's with apple lossless encoded audio tracks? they show up in media but I can not play them. missing codec?08:52
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Nicd-the_mgt: probably missing codec08:54
Nicd-I could not play ALAC either08:54
Nicd-might want to convert to FLAC or MP308:54
the_mgtno, might want to install codec08:56
tbrit shouldn't be that hard to build some additional gst-plugins-* packages09:00
the_mgtgrilo-plugin-apple-trailers <- now this is a package I can't live without...09:02
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the_mgthm, wikipedia claims it is part of gst-plugins-bad, and links to this: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/html/gst-plugins-bad-plugins-plugin-faac.html09:27
the_mgtbut aac is advanced audio coding, not apple lossless, if i undertstand it correctly. aac works fine here09:28
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the_mgtseems to be the correct codec though, "file" claims that some .m4a files that play are the same AAC-LC codec as those files that do not play09:40
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tbrthe_mgt: ALAC is something quite different than AAC-LC09:52
the_mgtit should be, yes09:55
the_mgtso either file is wrong or itunes is bullshitting me. I set itunes to apple lossless and ripped a few cds09:56
the_mgtthey are listed as AAC-LC on my jolla phone, using file. some play, some dont09:56
bweimerWould there be someone here who knows what libraries are used in Maliit IMF for more fancier text input like Pinyin?09:59
Stskeepsbweimer: nuance09:59
Stskeeps3rd party offering09:59
bweimerOk, thanks! So a commercial offering...10:00
Stskeepsyes10:00
Stskeepsfancier input is damned hard to get in commercially suitable form :)10:00
tbrthe_mgt: don't be deceived by them being inside an m4a container10:01
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the_mgttbr: I set itunes to import using Apple Lossless-Encoder, Itunes tells me that the m4a songs which I just played are indeed apple lossless. so i guess "file" is wrong in this case10:19
tbryes, file can most likely NOT see inside the container, it can just identify the MPEG4 container and maybe by conjecture of the file extension guess it's maybe AAC10:20
tbrsame would happen with an Opus encoded file10:21
the_mgtsome of the files that dont play have a different bitrate10:21
tbrit would tell you that it's Ogg or maybe that it's ogg/vorbis10:21
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Yanieldoesn't opus have its own extension though10:26
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tbrYaniel: only the file extension differs, the container is bit identical Ogg10:27
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tbrso a stupid fingerprint will just say "this is an ogg container"10:27
tbrthe custom file extension is done exactly for the reason fo the user crowd being stupid that way "but it says XYZ, why can't it play"10:28
tbrthere is a brazillion of people that call files that contain vorbis encoded audio "Ogg"10:29
tbrtoo bad that it can also contain Theora video (often differentiated as .ogv) or speex or kate or Opus or Midi or ...10:30
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tbrjust like .avi or .mkv can contain a variety of things10:31
the_mgtdon't blame the user for this nonsense10:31
Yanielso what you gonna do, head | xxd?10:32
the_mgtyou wouldnt blame him if he bought a package of "milk" which contains apple juice10:32
Yanieltrue10:33
tbrthe_mgt: it's more like if you said that all cans are now Beer, regardless if they contain Beer or coke or fanta or pepsi10:38
tbrthe answer is the same for both, look at the content description, not at the container itself10:39
the_mgtanyway, I need fixed codecs. need to check wether newer versions of the bad plugins work10:41
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jlindhi guys. I'm having some problems with using the norwegian BankId authentification system (it uses the sms toolkit or whatever it is called)11:10
Yanielsome two-factor auth thing?11:10
jlindyeah11:11
jlindIts a bit problematic, as I can log in with the thing, but then I am suppose to verify a payment, and it gets stuck, screen goes black11:12
jlindif I swipe away the app, then I get the sms app icon, and I can click it to make it come back11:12
tbrit's SIM-toolkit11:12
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tbrand it's all sorts of "fun", if you are kinky that way11:12
jlindyeah, I can imagine. But being able to do authentication through SIM-toolkit it norway is pretty essential for users of some banks unfortunately11:14
jlinds/it norway/in Norway/11:15
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yuntaHello everybody! As a proud member of worldcommunitygrid Jolla team, I'd like to announce that as of today we collectively contributed a full one year of computation time.11:16
yuntaOur effort went mostly into projects related to curing cancer and aids, but also into clean energy research, and general biology research.11:16
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yuntaI'd like to thank all the members for participation and making our world better. You're all awesome!11:16
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yuntaFor those who didn't join us yet, and want their CPUs to be more useful - install boinc, register to wcg, join team Jolla, and start computing!11:16
yuntahttp://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=HPVMMFT42211:16
tbrjlind: your best bet, if you cant get someone here interested is to post on TJC and hope someone cares11:19
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MikaelaRE: toh not appearing after week (and counting) from Jolla store, Post suggests me to contact Jolla about it who said to contact Post if I have questions on the process11:45
SceltAard: yo honey badger. time for an early badger update?11:46
Mikaela+1 (if I recall where this refers to correctly) :)11:46
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* Mikaela opened ticket to Jolla now12:22
Mikaelano update this side, but maybe it will arrive tomorrow or on Saturday or Sunday or alternative :(.12:23
ppfriday at ~= 4-5pmish is typical12:24
ppbut who knows how this new system works :-)12:25
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Mikaelawhich TZ?12:27
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ppEET12:33
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Mikaelawhat is EET again (UTC offset)?12:39
Mikaelaoh, UTC+2 and I am on EET12:39
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Nicd-Mikaela: EET is Finnish time :)12:52
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MikaelaI noticed, but I never learn those names12:56
giucamEastern European Time :)12:59
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Mikaelamy TOH had had delivery issue and they have sent it pack to me today13:08
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Mikaela*back13:11
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chem|stafter a fresh factory reset, when I do not have $std wlan available - I do not have ssh - no terminal... so I could go rescue-shell mount / and go from there but that's about it... any other idea? (need to setup enterprise networking)13:35
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the_mgtchem|st: use usb lan?13:51
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the_mgtcopy config file to sdcard, mv to destination13:52
chem|stthe_mgt: without terminal?13:53
the_mgti thought dev mode was built in?13:53
chem|stdev mode needs to be activated13:55
the_mgtthen i did not understand your problem. do you have no working screen?13:56
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ejjomanno wlan -> no dev. mode, i think...13:57
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ejjomanchicken/egg problem: no wlan -> no dev. mode -> no wlan (enterprise networking needs to be set up manually in conf file)14:02
tadzikyeah14:05
the_mgtuse thethering with another device?14:08
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TMavicaMikaela: same, toh returning14:17
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KabouikHi, I'm trying to follow this guide to free up some space on my Jolla (by moving /data/media/ to the sdcard) because I have several issues with my Jolla, probably caused by the internal memory being full. At least partly caused by that. (the guide here: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/)15:05
KabouikBut at the last step, I get that error:15:05
Kabouik[root@Jolla media]# systemctl enable androidsdcard.service15:05
KabouikFailed to issue method call: Bad message15:05
KabouikAny ideas?15:05
trt`seems like there is no one in here that can help you Kabouik15:07
ejjomanKabouik: seems like your androidsdcard.service is faulty15:08
trt`ahh15:08
trt`sorry i was wrong15:08
ejjomanKabouik: please double-check for typos (new lines where they not belong, etc)15:08
KabouikI just copy/pasted the code from the link15:09
ejjomanthe ExecStart-line seems to have a line-break there15:10
ejjomanthat does not belong there in the actual file :)15:10
ejjomanotherwise: idk, sorry15:11
KabouikOh, true ejjoman!15:11
Kabouik[root@Jolla sdcard]# systemctl enable androidsdcard.service15:11
Kabouikln -s '/etc/systemd/system/androidsdcard.service' '/etc/systemd/system/local-fs.target.wants/androidsdcard.service'15:11
Kabouikln -s '/etc/systemd/system/androidsdcard.service' '/etc/systemd/system/aliendalvik.service.wants/androidsdcard.service'15:11
KabouikI get that now15:11
ejjomanlooks good to me15:11
KabouikThanks a lot then!15:12
KabouikThe guide says to copy the files from /data/media instead of moving them, but if I don't want to remove the sdcard ever, I can just move them, right? Copying them won't free any space15:13
ejjomanyeah, if you copy them, there will no space be freed up - that is how copy works :)15:13
KabouikI know :D But that just sounds silly to me to run this guide and still keep everything in /data/media, so just asking confirmation I can :P15:14
ejjomanbut you can copy them and delete them right after the files were copied successfully15:15
ejjomanit's just safer to copy them first and then delete them on success, because there could be data-loss in case of failure I think15:15
KabouikYeah sure, just making sure everything in data/media can be removed, because it seemed odd that the guide says to keep the files here15:15
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Aardalsam15:15
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ejjomani don't know, what's inside this folder, sorry15:16
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ejjomanbut you could simply ask chem|st... he wrote this how-to :D15:27
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chem|stKabouik: I have not tested what happens when you remove the sdcard15:36
KabouikWell I guess I'll soon tell you D:15:36
chem|stplease do! ;)15:36
KabouikOh, well, no I won't. Read too fast!15:36
KabouikI don't plan on removing the sd card ever15:36
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Kabouikbtrfs balance is currently running, hope it will help me freeing up enough space to fix my weird-behaving Jolla15:37
chem|stas I did that move on a blank sys with not much installed on android either I did not care about its size15:38
chem|styou can probably purge it15:38
chem|stworst case is you have to reinstall android and all android-apps15:39
KabouikYep, but I have good hopes15:40
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Hartzi /j punasolmu15:50
Hartziwhoops15:51
trt`you spammer!15:51
trt`;)15:51
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Hartzi:<15:51
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ejjomanso, see ya guys - have to go to cinema now with my gf :D (50 shades..., wish me luck :D )16:00
Stskeepsyou'll be in handcuffs16:00
Stskeeps:P16:00
tadzikhaha16:00
ejjoman:D16:00
tadziklook out for the "warning, wet seat" signs16:00
ejjomanoh, please :/ :D16:01
tadzikhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9pliLOCEAE6THQ.png16:01
ejjomanhope so! :D16:01
tadzikheheh16:01
ejjomanwe will see :P bye!16:02
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tiwakethat picture16:11
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chem|stis there any way to skip the intro after a factory reset?16:38
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coderusScreenTapShot - overlay screenshot applicatoin for #SailfishOS. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/screentapshot17:06
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Jonnichem|st: yes, upper left, upper right, down right, down left -corner four touch event combo exits the intro.17:25
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chem|stlol17:26
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coderuslol, it works :D18:12
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louisdkOne of my Jolla friend dropped it down the stairs and the screen is totally damaged, so now he has brought an Xperia M2 and want to give me his broken Jolla.19:22
Ezkogreat19:22
coderuslouisdk: you need to send it to fi for repair19:24
louisdkcoderus, if the repair is not covered by warranty it's quite expensive.19:25
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coderus"dropped it down the stairs and the screen is totally damaged"19:26
coderusit's not covered by warranty :D19:26
klopsi-u3my n900s survive drops19:26
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louisdkcoderus, yearh i know :) Therefore I just want keep it for spare parts.19:26
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TemeVnew Jolla is 199 (if the code is still valid) I'd guess repairing the display costs almost the same19:34
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MikaelaI think somewhere was said that the code was valid until 8th/last Sunday19:45
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SpeedEvilSquaretrade were not willing to provide coverage on a preorder jolla phone.19:46
SpeedEvilHas anyone tried for a retail phone?19:46
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sebsebsebhi21:02
ortylphi21:03
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* sebsebseb is happy :d21:04
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SfietKonstantinsebsebseb: :)21:08
sebsebsebSfietKonstantin: uh?21:08
sebsebsebyes  I just sorted out my new phone network with my old phone21:08
sebsebsebso neary time to start using my Jolla phone as a phone to then :d21:08
SfietKonstantin:)21:09
klopsi-u3will finland liberalize their beer laws soon?21:10
raa700i wouldn't bet on it21:11
teves21:12
teve22:50 Talvistudio21:12
teve22:55 Alppihiihdon MM : N suurpujottelu21:12
teve00:30 Syke21:12
teve01:20 Uutisikkuna21:12
teve04:00 Uutisikkuna21:12
teve21:00 Enbuske & Linnanahde Crew21:12
teve22:00 Kymmenen Uutiset21:12
klopsi-u3gah finland so close to being perfect21:12
teve22:20 Päivän sää21:12
teve22:25 MTV Sport Uutiset21:12
teve22:35 Todistettavasti elossa21:13
teve01:10 Roba21:13
teve02:05 Mind Games21:13
teve03:00 Voittostudio21:13
teve21:00 Adoptoidut21:13
teve22:00 Elokuva: Babylon A.D.21:13
teve00:10 MasterChef VIP21:13
teve01:10 Kylmä rinki21:13
teve02:20 Poliisit - kotihälytys21:13
teve03:20 Frasier21:13
teve03:50 Naapurini avaruudesta21:13
teve04:20 Ennustaja-TV21:13
teve21:00 Rakas, sinusta on tullut pullukka21:13
teve22:00 Extant21:13
teve23:00 Lainvalvojat21:13
ortylp??? spam???21:13
teve23:30 Lainvalvojat21:13
teve00:00 Miehen puolikkaat21:13
Teemukii tos21:13
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coderus!report teve21:16
merbotcoderus: Error: "report" is not a valid command.21:16
coderus!ban teve21:16
merbotcoderus: Error: "ban" is not a valid command.21:16
coderus!admin21:16
merbotcoderus: Error: "admin" is not a valid command.21:16
raa700=)21:16
coderus!help21:16
merbotcoderus: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. 21:16
coderus!list21:16
merbotcoderus: Admin, Bugtracker, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, MeetBot, Misc, Notify, Owner, Quote, RSS, Seen, Topic, and User21:16
coderus!help Admin21:16
merbotcoderus: Error: There is no command "admin". However, "Admin" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Admin'.21:16
coderus!list Admin21:17
merbotcoderus: capability add, capability remove, channels, clearq, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part21:17
Nicd-I don't think you're gonna be able to use the admin commands anyway :P21:17
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coderusi want to report/notify to admin21:18
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klopsi-u3was it just one bad paste?21:21
klopsi-u3or is this user doing this often?21:21
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Nicd-I think it was just a mispaste21:22
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teveyep, sorry about that21:22
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Nicd-you should tell your client to ask before pasting :P21:23
teveit was double f*ckup, irssi asked that but I pressed wrong keykombo :-)21:23
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Nicd-I remember when I used mIRC, I had a script with a useful feature. it showed the paste in realtime and allowed you to stop it if it was an accident21:24
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Aardirssi even does that without a script!21:32
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coderusAard: exactly!21:41
klopsi-u3wasnt irc invented in finland?21:43
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Aardit was21:44
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chem|stso I have dd'ed the root partition, by accident I have left the lockcode on... now recovery shell says no lockcode booted system says it has a lockcode anyone an idea? I will try empty now but I doubt that it will work22:42
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fennekkiyou uh22:43
fennekkidd'd the root partition?22:44
fennekkilike22:44
fennekkifrom a backup? or?22:44
chem|styeah22:45
chem|stworks fine but my backup had a lockcode set...22:45
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chem|stanother img without lockcode...22:49
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chem|st14gb @16MB/s is a tad slow22:50
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fennekkiI dd'd a 120GB disk at like 24MB/s the other day23:10
fennekkifroown23:10
chem|stso recovered... but it does not know the wlan passwords...23:10
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chem|stit actually does not know the wlan...23:24
chem|stI have now a new and an old entry23:25
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coderuschem|st: thats why you need to use tar23:44
chem|sttar?23:45
coderustarrr tarrr23:45
fennekkirrr23:45
fennekkiwhy so growly23:45
chem|stcoderus: I dd'ed the root partition what do I need tar for?23:45
coderus03:50 < chem|st> 14gb @16MB/s is a tad slow23:46
coderusnot to copy null bytes over null bytes :)23:46
coderusonly copy data23:46
chem|stah well I know there is a way I just don't know it so I went with what I know23:46
fennekkidd can actually skip nulls if you want it to23:46
fennekkibut uh23:47
fennekkithe jolla partitioning is23:47
fennekkithere's just one btrfs partition which uses subvolumes, isn't there23:47
coderusabout jolla partitioning23:47
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chem|sthow do I get my wlan passwords recovered?23:48
coderusyou can use btrfs snapshots instead23:48
coderuschem|st: hm, it should be recovered23:48
chem|stall wlans are there but it does not log in and I cannot edit it23:49
M4rtinKaren't they just in sqlite somewhere ?23:49
chem|stand joining an AP does ask for the passphrase and then I have two wlans23:49
coderuschem|st: i think they're in conf files?23:50
chem|stI am currently rebuilding my sdcard... on my desktop with proper speed...23:51
M4rtinKI really hope they use something more robust on the tablet23:52
M4rtinKbtrfs might be usable in like 5 years from now23:52
chem|stwhat are you referring to?23:52
M4rtinKbut IMHO is not now23:52
M4rtinKespecially on outdated Android kernels23:52
chem|stbtrfs is quiet enjoyable23:52
M4rtinKyes, that's a way to put it ;-)23:52
chem|stapart of the balancing it is working quiet good and especially on usb pendrives and sdcards it is a lot faster than other FSs23:53
chem|stespecially for OS FSs23:53
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fennekkiM4rtinK: what exactly do you think is WRONG with btrfs23:55
M4rtinKmetadata allocation on small volumes for one23:56
M4rtinKlike what happens on the Jolla with the 16 GB of storage23:56
M4rtinKdf that tells lies also isn't nice23:56
chem|stM4rtinK: ehrm that is wrong settings and fcked drivers not small volumes... I never had a problem23:56
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kelvanhm just wanted to ask something about my fucked up jolla telling me there is over 2GB free but everything broken because of not enough space left :/23:57
chem|stthe devels have a learnign curve of their own23:58
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kelvanran into that prob when it shows 1GB free, now it should be less filled and again shows no space left23:58
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chem|stkelvan: what does "btrfs fi df /" show23:59
fennekkithe only really weird thing is how if you run out of space, you can't remove stuff23:59
fennekkiit makes SENSE23:59
fennekkibut it's weird23:59
M4rtinKit really sucks that you need more space to reclaim space :)23:59
kelvanhttp://paste.fedoraproject.org/185008/78557814/23:59
chem|stI am missing the root-byte23:59
kelvanther should be free space of all kind23:59

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