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nazanincoderus: ping09:24
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politienice09:41
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coderusnazanin: pong?13:01
Joonaadamn, thats a lot of latency!13:03
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tadzikyou thought IP over avian carriers is a joke? :)13:06
Edelwin:')13:07
Sail0rhehe13:07
Joonaai thought that was the last resort :)13:07
tadziklast to arrive, for sure :P13:08
Joonaawell, there's always satellite...13:08
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nazanincoderus: problem solved :P13:52
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coderusnazanin: cool, sorry i just woke up :D13:54
nazanincoderus: no prob :)13:54
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uuhimherehi guys how much is a jolla14:24
tadzik200€ recently14:25
tadzikin europe, that is14:25
tadzikI believe india/china has it cheaper14:25
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politieits 249 again14:26
uuhimhereare they different in spec14:27
tadzikah14:27
tadzikno, they're the same device14:27
Joonaaman, i wish the other halfs werent so expensive14:29
uuhimherewhat are they14:29
Joonaa29eur14:29
Joonaaoh, and out of stock, of course14:29
politiecant you just let it 3d print somewhere14:29
Joonaai guess... its not the same color and quality though14:30
politiethats true14:30
Joonaai need to ask my teacher what colors he had14:30
tadzikI guess I'd be okay with paying 30 $local-currency for them :P14:30
politiewhere are you from14:30
uuhimhereis there an other half thats a slide out keyboard?14:30
politieyea14:31
politiewell its pre order able14:31
politie130 euro14:31
Joonaahttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla14:31
uuhimherelink plz?14:31
uuhimherethnx14:31
politiehttp://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/TOHKBD2-PRE-ORDER/p/42141285/category=914109014:31
Joonaapolitie has a better one14:32
uuhimherei wokda se4n that if i had a damn keyboard lol14:32
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politiewodka14:34
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cb400fnice... I kinda got the expression that TOHKBD would only be made for the kickstarter pledgers (which includes me of course)14:34
cb400fimpression14:34
politie`im glad it isnt14:34
politie:D14:34
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kroJoonaa: which TOH are you looking for?14:35
uuhimhereimages-cdn.ecwid.com/images/4536014/253709703.jpg14:35
cb400fyup, that is awesome... cuz when people start walking around with TOHKBD's in public, people will finally get how cool Jolla and TOH is14:35
uuhimherewow14:35
Joonaakro i thought the pink and green one looked nice14:36
Nicd-cb400f: it'll probably only be sold while supplies last though14:36
uuhimhereis that backlit14:36
Joonaacb400f i imagine you kickstarted the production and get the first ones ;)14:36
kroJoonaa: i'm currently waiting for my jolla I ordered 2 weeks ago... should come with 3 TOHs, will definitely resell the pink one (maybe the limeor white as well, 1 should be enough) once I get the phone...14:37
Nicd-uuhimhere: it will have backlight14:37
uuhimherewell would it be too hard to make third party keyboards or is it a closed spec14:37
Joonaakro where are you from?14:37
kroJoonaa: Germany14:37
fluxuuhimhere, this is actually a third party keyboard14:37
Nicd-uuhimhere: TOHKBD is a third party keyboard14:37
Nicd-it's not made by jolla14:37
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Joonaakro: what kind of shipping cost would it be to finland?14:38
uuhimherethen why is it in limited numb4ts14:38
Nicd-because production is expensive14:38
Nicd-especially for such a niche product14:38
ggabrielresources are limited14:38
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politiepfew14:38
politiemight have to order one quickly i hear14:38
kroJoonaa: don't know for sure... probably about 3-5 EUR, depending if sent as letter (uninsured) or package (with tracking and insurance)14:39
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uuhimherewell get the chinese 6o make it...14:39
Joonaakro: well, depending on the price, let me know when you get the phone :)14:39
kroJoonaa: noted14:39
Nicd-uuhimhere: it's too expensive. but if you want to discuss the keyboard project, join #jollatohkbd14:39
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politierather see a DIY released14:39
Joonaauuhimhere: thats not cheaper unless you order in huge quantities14:40
fluxuuhimhere, actually the drawings and source code of even this product are in the open (..or if not, they will be), so maybe some chinese folk will help themselves ;-) - though not likely, as as said, this is a niche product14:40
flux"only" 1200 backers. the real number of people this could be sold to could be somewhat higher, though.14:41
Joonaawell, if it was cheaper...14:42
Nicd-if it was cheaper, it wouldn't be possible :P14:42
Joonaaalthough i would probably be more interested in a bit larger keyboard the plugs to the usb port :P14:42
Joonaatrue14:42
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uuhimhereflux: probabaly wait till more people try oit sai;fish os first14:42
cb400fI guess when Jolla 2 comes around, much of the groundwork will be covered, to make tens of thousands of TOHKBD's for that one too ;-)14:44
uuhimhereJoonaa: is the usb on the short side or long side of the jolla14:44
Nicd-(if it has a TOH thing at all)14:44
kroactually, is it possible to connect a Bluetooth keyboard?14:44
Joonaauuhimhere: at the top, its the charging port (miniusb or something)14:44
Nicd-kro: yes14:44
Nicd-Joonaa: microusb14:44
kroyay14:44
uuhimherejo914:45
JoonaaNicd- thanks :)14:45
politiee-ink other half seems really cool too14:45
Joonaai like my android tablet, it has a full size usb port... so i can use a mouse with it :)14:45
uuhimhereJoonaa:  so atbthe top meaning the width of the device... tjats going to be a design vhallenge mechanically for a usb attachmeny that isntba cable14:46
Nicd-well jolla doesn't have usb host mode so there's not much sense to connect anything there14:46
Nicd-except a charging cable14:46
Joonaahuh, really? that sucks14:47
Nicd-the tablet will have otg but jolla doesn't14:47
Joonaahardware limitation?14:47
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Nicd-last I heard it could be possible hardware wise but the kernel was resisting14:47
uuhimherecant be14:47
uuhimheremost socs siport otg14:48
uuhimhereso its a matter of building a custom kernel?14:48
Joonaathat'll be easy :)14:49
uuhimhereyeah14:50
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Nicd-Joonaa, uuhimhere: https://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/?answer=257#post-id-25714:52
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Joonaaouch14:53
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uuhimherei thought usb host == otg14:55
politieNicd- was it you who was making a weechat relay sailfish app?14:57
Nicd-yes14:58
Nicd-I haven't touched it in a while14:58
politieah ok, does it work though?14:58
Nicd-the currently downloadable version can crash your weechat14:59
Nicd-I have a fixed version on my laptop but haven't pushed it anywhere yet14:59
politieah i see14:59
anYcuuhimhere: I read that otg enables automatic detection of usb host/slave role15:00
politiei just ordered a jolla and been using weechat-android on my current phone was hoping to get something on the jolla15:00
Nicd-I should really get back to it15:01
politiemaybe i can help develop, sailfish apps are c++ qt right?15:01
tadzikcan be15:02
Nicd-currently chatting on my phone annoys me too, but the cognitive friction in getting back to it is hard to overcome. especially with the qml side being kind of a mess15:02
tadzikcan be JS, can by python15:02
Nicd-politie: it's C++/Qt/QML15:02
Nicd-most of it is QML and JavaScript15:02
Nicd-but the relay protocol is in C++15:02
politieah allright15:03
Nicd-politie: I can give you more info if you'd like to help. :)15:03
Nicd-guess I should get my pending changes pushed before that though15:03
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politiesounds cool, jolla seems like a fun device to play around with15:05
Nicd-can I query you?15:05
politieofcourse15:05
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* cb400f concludes he is pleased with HERE android app after 5 minutes of playing around15:08
Nicd-did you get it from google play?15:09
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cb400f1MobileMarket15:09
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cb400fdon't have google play installed ... occassionally get some things via the evozi apk downloader though15:11
tadzikit's nice, but quite often I find myself having to launch the jolla maps app for here to be able to keep track of me15:12
tadzikalso, this stupid "compas needs adjusting"15:12
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cb400fthere's an issue with the compas on Nokia Here android app on Jolla?15:13
cb400fonly played around with a bit sitting here at my desk15:13
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politieHERE doesnt have offline maps on the jolla right?15:15
cb400fnot the native app... but the just released android app does15:15
cb400fand it seems to work fine on the Jolla (from 5 minutes of fiddling around)15:16
politietheres a native HERE ? didnt know that15:16
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Bysmyyrpolitie: that maps program is based on here15:17
cb400funtil now I've used OsmAnd~ which has served me fine also15:17
politieah ok15:17
cb400fbut the native one doesn't have voice or offline15:17
cb400for even automatic route "re-calculation"15:18
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tadzikor following you and showing the latest turns15:20
politieso the android one is good15:21
SceltAard: horny badger?15:22
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AardScelt: /15:37
Aard?15:37
Shinryuu???15:37
SceltAard: looking for our early badger edition15:37
Edelwin¿15:37
Sceltupdate15:37
Aardgetting close15:38
tadzikhorny badger... is that what these names mean in finnish? :D15:38
SceltAard: kewl!15:38
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Scelttadzik: we agreed with Aard that if they fail to deliver early bird update last week, I'd call him a stud or a badger. He chose "honey badger". I just added some spice to it15:40
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tadzikah, I see :)15:40
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j-dogeScelt: I'd like to point out that Aard's a honey badger, we have a ye olde regular badger also in the company15:46
j-dogeso try not to mix things up too much15:46
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Sceltj-doge: which one would you address as a "horny badger"?15:47
Sceltor is it a title not yet given to anyone15:47
ggabrielhorny badger = next android version?15:48
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j-dogehaven't heard of such titles15:48
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j-dogegetting to the badger territory is no small feat15:48
Sceltj-doge: missed the last little christmas (pikkujoulut)? I guess that's where the horny badgers come out from their caves15:48
j-dogeI was there, if there were horny badgers they hid in their caves15:49
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Sceltdamn. more booze, I'd say15:50
j-dogeI have to say I was kinda disappointed in the overall alcohol consumption15:51
j-dogealthough there were a couple positive appearances15:51
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Joonaawhere do i find repos for the existing media players?16:00
tadzikhttps://github.com/djselbeck/daedalus-sailfish/ is one16:01
Joonaacheers16:02
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tiwakeoh hey, systemd is making their own EFI bootloader called gummiboot16:07
Stskeepsnot really making16:07
Stskeepsit's preexisting16:08
tiwakefixing up? raising from the dead? or just adding development and manpower?16:08
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tiwakeor maybe all three16:09
locusfI've just been looking at gummiboot16:09
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locusfie. using it16:10
tiwakehttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-SD-Boot-EFI-Boot16:12
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Temesomething quite weird happened to my jolla right now.. the main UI won't "snap" between the different screens, it just stays where i scroll it :D16:17
dunptiwake, can it  signing UEFI binaries?16:17
Temeand after a few sweeps it freezes.. locking the screen and unlocking resumes the described behavior16:18
tiwakedunp: I have no idea... didnt know gummiboot existed until 1/2 hour ago16:18
Temeand now after a few tries it just stays frozen after unlock :(16:18
Temepossibly a bug with the new double-tap-to-go-to-apps-screen16:19
dunpueffi can start direct from kernel if signed16:19
dunphttp://blog.hansenpartnership.com/uefi-secure-boot/16:19
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Stskeepshttp://arxiv.org/abs/1502.03182 - fun17:38
faenilnice stuff17:39
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fluxhmph, somewhat annoying that there are loads of wireless gizmos coming with android support, but they cannot be used with jolla, even if one could get the app running without appstore.17:42
fluxI wonder, is AlienDalvik/Jolla ever going to support BT/BLE?17:43
Stskeepswell, help find a good mapping from android bluetooth api to bluez..17:43
fluxaren't there actual android phones that use bluez?17:43
Stskeepsnot so much anymore17:43
fluxregardless, the API has stayed mostly the same17:43
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Stskeepspoint17:43
flux..though BLE was added to it17:43
fluxbut I don't think the BLE interface should be troublesome17:44
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fluxis it even possible for someone not working at Jolla possible to make that? Given it would need to interact with the licensed AlienDalvik somehow..17:46
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javispedrohere I come, everytime someone mentions BLE!17:47
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fluxble is cool!17:47
faenilahaha17:48
javispedronobody expects the spanish inquisition!17:48
javispedroour main weapons are low power, compatibility and low power.17:49
javispedro(and an almost fanatical hatred of android ;P )17:49
r0kk3rzStskeeps: arent we missing things for BLE with native sailfish apps? let alone android mappings17:52
r0kk3rzlike bluez517:52
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javispedrocome to think of it, I ponder if the bluez android API can be used simultaneous to normal bluez17:57
javispedromaybe it would actually be useful since I suppose myriad would then only need to write a minor stub17:58
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