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MikaelaI was wondering sysctl settings and was found them and now I wonder why do /etc/sysctl.d/vm.conf and /etc/sysctl.d/zz-sbj-vm.conf have the same content with the exception of vm.swappiness http://sprunge.us/bKUj09:14
Mikaelaaccording to sysctl, zz-sbj-vm.conf wins so vm.swappiness is 50 instead of 30 which is specified in vm.conf09:14
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Mikaelaoh, and I am on Yliaavanlampi if that affects anything09:16
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cityoflights2hi, When I get Hebrew sms , I see it as squares11:55
cityoflights2this issue was already reported here: https://together.jolla.com/question/12370/support-for-hebrew-language-squares-when-receiving-hebrew/11:56
cityoflights2but it is not fixed11:56
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ortylpcityoflights2: then comment and vote at TJC11:58
cityoflights2ok11:58
cityoflights2thanks11:58
cityoflights2I was not sure waht is the right way to address this11:58
ortylpcityoflights2: it could be just a missing font11:58
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cityoflights2should I open a new issue, or comment on the closed one?11:59
ortylpcityoflights2: vote and comment12:00
ortylpcityoflights2: why is it closed then? wait a minute12:00
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ortylpcityoflights2: it is still "open", just leave a comment, and VOTE12:01
ortylpcityoflights2: if you create a new one then it will be soon closed as a duplicate12:02
cityoflights2right12:02
cityoflights2is there a way to find text in the browser?12:03
ortylpcityoflights2: look also at https://together.jolla.com/question/7555/arabic-characters-not-shown-in-email/12:03
ortylpcityoflights2: not that I am aware of12:04
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anandrkriscityoflights2: new opt-in update has this feature in browser12:12
cityoflights2Upgrade 1.1.2 / Yliaavanlampi (early access) - is it safe?12:16
cityoflights2I just got my jolla a day or two ago12:16
anandrkrisas they say YMMV...12:16
PeperJohnnyNo big problems so far12:16
chem|stcityoflights2: depends, some things are yet to be discovered12:17
cityoflights2I was hoping to see more ppl comment here before jumping in12:17
anandrkrisI am Linux noob but know basic commands..took the plunge12:17
chem|stcityoflights2: it is save in terms of you will have a working phone12:17
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cityoflights2chem|st: hi, I remember you12:17
chem|stdo you? I do not recall please helkp me out12:18
anandrkrisi think this update is not massive changes so relatively offers a safe upgrade path12:18
cityoflights2sorry, was some time ago, guess from the N900 period12:18
chem|stsure12:18
chem|stI am still the maemo guy12:18
cityoflights2are you using 12?12:19
chem|st12?12:19
cityoflights2sorry 1.1.212:19
chem|styes12:19
cityoflights2ok, I will upgrade then12:19
chem|stthat is why I can tell you that you will have a working "phone"12:19
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cityoflights2right,12:20
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chem|stsome things are buggy, like browser seems to act different on ipv4 or 6 or orange france has issues with dns and so on12:20
PeperJohnnyThe biggest issue had with 1.1.2 is UI inconsistencies in Browser and scrolling became a bit jittery12:20
cityoflights2how to do the upgrade , just allow SSU?12:20
chem|stPeperJohnny: biggest issue - lol12:21
PeperJohnnychem|st: yeah pretty stable for me :D12:21
chem|stso you had no real issues^^12:21
PeperJohnnyyep =)12:21
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PeperJohnnyeverything is pretty smooth12:21
chem|styour jittery, please elaborate12:21
MikaelaI haven't had other issues with Yliaavanlampi than sshd.service disabling itself for no reason, but I was enough familiar with systemd to understand what "systemctl status sshd.service" said and run "systemctl enable sshd.service"12:22
ortylpI am waiting for the official release, I got tired of betatesting...12:22
PeperJohnnywell if you scroll in browser with 1.1.1.37 it was way smoother12:22
MikaelaPeperJohnny: don't allow ssu12:22
chem|stoh browser... did not recognize jittery, I had UI jitters12:23
MikaelaPeperJohnny: login at https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ and check the checkbox and save and check for updates in settings12:23
cityoflights2thnals12:23
cityoflights2thanks12:23
chem|stMikaela: you are no help that way12:23
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PeperJohnnyMikaela: I am already on 1.1.212:24
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Mikaelaoh, I somehow understood that you were wondering how do you upgrade to it12:24
chem|stMikaela: it just read like you tell people off when they complain about bugs in 1.1.212:24
chem|sttelling them how to revert^^12:25
Mikaelachem|st: I have no idea what you are talking about12:25
chem|stcityoflights2: I think Mikaela wanted to point it out for you12:25
chem|stMikaela: you where talking to someone with 1.1.2 telling to checkbox in accounts12:26
Mikaelaoh, I am confusing PeperJohnny and cityoflights212:26
chem|stcityoflights2: are you there?12:26
chem|stMikaela: indeed :)12:26
PeperJohnnychem|st: did you have bigger problems with 1.1.2?12:27
Mikaelabut I still don't understand what you mean with "telling people off" or "telling how to revert"12:27
Mikaelaor "not helping that way"12:27
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chem|stPeperJohnny: go youporn desktop and try starting html5 video... :)12:28
PeperJohnny:D12:28
chem|stthat is the easiest way to crash the browser I know of12:28
chem|stweather data is pretty off but that seems to be an issue of foreca not jolla12:29
chem|stforeca desktop, foreca mobile and foreca on device show 3 different values sometimes12:29
cityoflights2Mikaela: yep, I understood, and responded12:30
chem|stcityoflights2: as you are new, the internal storage is some kind of holy, if you fill it up your device will hate you12:31
Mikaelayou're welcome12:31
Mikaelaisn't that why btrfs is somewhat avoided?12:31
anandrkrischem|st: i have seen weather details differ in events view and inside the app12:32
anandrkrisam i missing something?12:32
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cityoflights2chem|st, first thing I noticed here was smooth pulse audio transfering from music play -> cellulcar call -> music play12:33
cityoflights2its what I was hoping for in the n90012:33
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cityoflights2I am now seeking for a application as profiled, so the jolla will change profile by conditions, like slient in meetings12:34
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chem|stI never had problems on n900/n9 with that12:39
chem|stsome like rpofiled is available from 3rd party repos12:39
chem|stbut the ambience switcher is very convinient once you get used to it12:40
cityoflights2other program I seek is like owntracks, a gps reporter12:41
chem|stand by the looks of is sfos2.0 will have ambiences from swipe down12:41
chem|stalso available12:41
cityoflights2so my home knows when I leave12:41
chem|stmight be even in jolla harbour12:41
chem|stbe careful with things from 3rd party repos like openrepos, don't just upgrade from CLI with them active12:42
chem|stanandrkris: overview? if that is not in sync that is a bug, same for details not in sync between app and eventsview12:44
chem|stmore annoying is overview shows current and feels like and sometimes that is outside the high/low info of details12:45
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cityoflights2is there a program like owntracks for jolla?13:41
henkWhat is "owntracks"?13:41
cityoflights2Your location companion. OwnTracks allows you to keep track of your own location.13:43
cityoflights2owntracks.org/13:43
cityoflights2it sends out your location to a MQTT broker13:44
cityoflights2then you can see other users which you sbscribe to13:44
cityoflights2for example: https://camo.githubusercontent.com/d46c31acc0c2db47b138393592bd406663b95a7d/68747470733a2f2f7261772e6769746875622e636f6d2f77696b692f6f776e747261636b732f6f776e747261636b732f6173736574732f616e64726f69642f622d6d61696e6d61702e706e6713:45
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tbrshouldn't be too hard to port, but the mqtt protocol implementation needs to be made iphb aware13:50
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cityoflights2hi tbr, thanks13:55
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chem|stsetting up your own bigbrowther system so NSA can just use your broker if need be...13:57
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mornfallno end-to-end encryption => no go14:43
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mornfallspecial: is ricochet still being developed?14:55
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-cameron.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp15:27
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FireFlyHmm, what did each LED colour mean, again?  I just got the phone to rapidly blink red → rapidly blink green15:34
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stephgrapid green is lipstick being late responding to an event iirc15:37
stephgflashing red, no idea15:37
FireFlyMakes sense, because lipstick restarted15:37
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raa700flashing15:47
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henkWhat is lipstick?16:33
mornfallthe compositor16:33
henkah, thanks16:33
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Nichopehello!17:20
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NichopeI would like to ask something, maybe a bit unrelated17:21
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NichopeWould someone recommend me an e-mail provider (aside from gmail and outlook) which he/she finds practical and (of course) works well with the jolla e-mail integration?17:21
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NichopeI want to set up a new account to use on my Jolla (so it doesn't get any spam), and I don't know which provider to chose, so I thought it would be appropiate to chose it based on what I get here :P17:22
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anonfrieseNichope: i'm running my jolla together with kolab here and it works pretty well. you could try kolabnow.com if you'd rather get it hosted.17:36
phlixiNichope: my expirience is, that it is a bad idea to change email. it is better to manage the spam, because ultimativly, you will have to care about the new and the old account, thus you have to care about the spam anyway17:36
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phlixi...even your sister (or whomever...) will not learn that you have a new address, thus you will have to take care of the old address anyway...17:36
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phlixihowever, i would recommend to host on your own (ok, thats actually a bad recommendation if you ask where to host...) or at least go to some provider whos businessmodel is hosting, and not free email (then someone else is paying for you, and you are the product)17:38
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phlixibtw, i guess any IMAP will do, if unsure, test the new provider, and if it does not work (for whatever reason) try another one (before actually moving the email)17:39
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* Stskeeps likes mxhotel.dk but it's a bit danish-centric..17:44
phlixibut in the end, i think kolab is a valid choice17:45
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r0kk3rzwould be good to switch to someone that offers IMAP-idle support17:52
r0kk3rzsince thats coming to sfos17:52
phlixiare there some who doesnt? :-)17:52
r0kk3rzi have no idea, ive never used it17:53
Nichopeanonfriese phlixi : Thanks, I will try kolab :)17:54
Nichopephlixi: I know it's usually not a good idea to change the address, but in this case the current e-mail provider is stopping offering the service, so I have no choice :(17:54
phlixihehe, ok in this case it might be valid to change :-)17:55
NichopeI thought about hosting myself and even settling a kind of server from my house to do owncloud-like stuff, but currently my knowledge and free time don't allow me to do so...17:55
NichopeI also understand the paying thing, but at the moment I think I cannot afford one, so probably I'll stay as a product for a little longer17:56
phlixiyou might want to use your own domain, (i do not know if that is supported by kolab)17:56
NichopeStskeeps: I might take a look at mxhotel, too ;)17:56
phlixithere are things like df.eu where you can start with i dont know, like .99 per month17:56
anonfrieseyeah, that's supported by the premium account (a bit pricier)17:56
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phlixiusing your own domain prevents from having your new provider causing the same trouble again17:57
Nichopewell, I think if the domain's name is not too long I don't mind using a "default" one17:58
Nichopeah, ok. I thought you meant only "esthetically"17:59
anonfrieseyeah, owning your own domain gives you a lot of control and if you ever come around to hosting your own server you can simply keep your domain without changig mail adresses17:59
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phlixihowever, if something liek 1-5eur per month is a problem, you might have to go with some generic domain your hoster offers17:59
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phlixido not know what TLD you would choose, but you get .de or .com for as cheap as 10eur per year18:00
Nichopebut wouldn't my domain's existence be subject to the company offering it anyways?18:00
phlixibut you have the rights on it, and can change the hoster18:00
phlixifor example (not checked if available, just for the example) if you go to df.eu and register Nichope.com, and you do not like df.eu anymore, you can go to another provider and host Nichope.com there18:02
Nichopeaah, so I could change the hoster if it's going down and still keep everything...18:02
phlixiexactly18:02
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Nichopethank you very much. Right now the situation is quite urgent, so I will probably settle a free one, but that's something worth considering in a future :)18:05
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coderusCheck this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipC_rrrLk-019:03
ninnnucoderus: What app provides that weather info in notifications?19:06
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tore_coderus: neat :)19:07
tore_ninnnu: that's part of the latest update19:07
ninnnuOkay19:07
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phlixicoderus: http://phlixi.de/yWE3m3fhCNK59VeXsW66/iCODeRUS.png :-(19:17
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pdanekIs Jolla 2 going to work in US?19:19
pdanek3G19:20
TemeVpdanek: no one knows, because the phone is not released yet19:20
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tbrit's not even announced, there are not even rumours19:22
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kimmoliwill it work with 802.11ad ?19:25
* tbr votes for 802.11xxx19:25
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tbrbecause: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs19:26
coderusphlixi: reuploaded without audio, same link19:30
phlixithanks ;-)19:31
kimmolitbr: which reminds me http://website.lineone.net/~anguselavery/images/Computer-Technology700x493px.jpg19:31
tbrkimmoli: all about IoT!19:32
kimmoliapplication software really wipe your butt19:32
M4rtinKpeople just seems to like the Ghost in the Shell/Shadowrun/Snowcrash world so much :)19:33
M4rtinKeq. the "I just hacked your cybernetic hand" world19:34
M4rtinKand want to make it into reality :)19:34
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M4rtinK"hack the world" gets a whole new meaning with IoT :)19:35
phlixianyone using Yliaavanlampi can tell me a few things? I would like to know whether it is possible to copy text from a webpage, copy text from an email?19:39
kimmoliphlixi: nope19:39
phlixiwhat is the behaviour when opening a link, lets say from tweetian, is it still opened in the "last" tab? or is this fixed (opened in a NEW tab)19:40
kimmolilast tab19:40
phlixi...19:40
kimmoliemail copy workarounf is to forward, then you can copy19:40
phlixii guess pages can not be unloaded faster than in u10...19:40
phlixiyes, but ugly workaround.19:41
phlixii have the impression the last 3 updates only make the device worse19:41
M4rtinKBTW, I think it would be nice to be able to "bookmark" stuff locally in Tweetian19:41
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M4rtinKnot the twitter bookmarks, just a local "read it later"19:42
phlixiwell, thats what tabs in the browser are for19:42
ortylpM4rtinK: I need this feature ASAP19:42
phlixinow i have to open a new tab all the time, to have a "landing page" for new links... but in the last update unloading tabs got incredible bad...19:42
M4rtinKwell, both are open source :)19:45
M4rtinKand Tweetian is mostly QML/Javascript from what I've heard19:45
phlixiwow https://together.jolla.com/question/82627/threema-poll-broken-in-yliaavanlampi-early-access/19:45
phlixiwell, i guess i will not update for a while...19:45
M4rtinKso I guess "patches welcome" ? :)19:45
phlixiis there actually ANYTHING getting better with updates?19:45
phlixiso far since august the updates all only bruoght bad things  and no improvements19:46
M4rtinKI really wonder if the QNetworkAccessManager could be used to cache network data19:46
M4rtinKI remeber it could be configured to cache stuff it downloads to local storage19:46
M4rtinKso the browser could basically realod stuff from local storage when reloading the tabs19:47
M4rtinKphlixi: there are substantial architectural imrpvements being made all the time19:47
M4rtinKbut that's not really visible that much to users until everything falls into place19:47
phlixiM4rtinK: well, and thats good for what?19:48
phlixiactually i only see drawbacks19:48
M4rtinKoh and like two dozens of vulnerabilities have been fixed19:48
phlixiyeah, great. i guess those could have been fixed too without making everything else worse19:49
M4rtinKphlixi: mostly more robust OS & less maintenance in the future -> more time that can be used to add new features19:49
M4rtinKsure, I also think security fixes should be made out of the band & more quickly19:50
M4rtinKbut that can require substantial QA resources19:50
phlixiwell, since u10 i have constantly closing apps, browser almost everytime reloads pages (that actually got worse with every update), still no copy&paste in broswer and email (not even talking about other apps)...19:51
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M4rtinKor a fix can make the devices ultimately secure, eq. brick them :)19:51
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M4rtinKwell I've increased zram size & disabled oom killer :)19:51
phlixiall those issues have tons of votes, but instead of fixing this, there is now some weather stuff, that (who is interested) could have that before via 3rd party19:52
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M4rtinKmy internet connectivity is good enough, so the reloading is not so much of a problem for me19:52
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M4rtinKand I still could use Android Opera that can even make pages accessible offline19:53
M4rtinKsure, the priorities are often quite weird19:53
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phlixiwell, M4rtinK i invite you to german subwqay19:53
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M4rtinKyou don't have cellphone signal in subway ?19:53
phlixinot to mention the problems i have where i think those are not common to all users (e.g. opening wlan ap breaks sooner or later and only works again after restart)19:53
phlixiM4rtinK: super slow in subway19:54
phlixie.g. taking a minute e.gg to load jolla blog19:54
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M4rtinKwell that indeed sux19:55
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phlixiyea, instead of fising al this, yes, a new tablet...19:55
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phlixifixing*19:55
ortylpjust to make it simple: everything, that slows the user down is a BUG, at least a usability bug19:56
M4rtinKI can kinda understand that19:56
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ortylpif something can be cached or precached, then it should be done.  Each application that needs internet connection to function is broken by design19:56
M4rtinKIf basically Intel comes and gives you a lot of money to make a tablet with an Intel SoC19:57
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ortylp:D then you start croundfunding campain.... nice...19:57
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M4rtinKI don't think the crowdfunding would be enough otherwise19:58
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ortylpno, it would not19:58
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M4rtinKfor further reading: http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/11/16/after-losing-apples-ipad-business-intel-has-bled-7-billion-while-heavily-subsidizing-cheap-x86-atom-android-tablets20:00
M4rtinKI'm actually looking forward to the first real Linux tablet20:00
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M4rtinKafter such previous projects failed (Cordia, KDE Tablet/Spark/Vivaldi, etc.)20:01
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ortylpJolla's tablet is not "real Linux"20:02
M4rtinKwell, from application developer perspective it is or is very close20:02
ninnnuortylp: It's more "real" than Android.20:03
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ortylpit is GNU/Linux sitting on top of Android Linux kernel20:03
ortylpwith all it BLOBs for drivers20:03
M4rtinKbash, bintutils (no busybox), Qt, RPM, systemd, DBUS, glibc, Python, many familiar libraries...20:03
ortylpand all its problems20:03
M4rtinKsure, I know how it works20:03
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ortylpMeeGo on Ideapad was close enough.... that close... eh...20:04
M4rtinKyou can only do so much about broken binary blobs20:04
M4rtinKat least there is better chance to eventually replace them with open alternatives20:05
M4rtinKeven if just for Nemo for example20:05
M4rtinKthan for the Qualcom SoC hell20:05
ortylpyou would have to have Apple share of the market to convince HW manufacturers to get OSS drivers working :(20:06
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M4rtinKwell20:06
RzRM4rtinK, are you also following mozilla tablet (still android BSP) ?20:06
M4rtinKit was a tablet with a fan... :)20:06
r0kk3rznot share of the market as such20:06
r0kk3rzbut BigDollarsTM20:06
M4rtinKRzR: they are making one ?20:06
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RzRat least there are some developements going on20:07
r0kk3rzwouldnt mozilla tablet be running fxos?20:07
RzRof course20:07
RzRbtw I met someone at fosdem who used nokia N120:08
r0kk3rzfxos is closer to android than sailfish is20:08
RzRand said the device is brillant20:08
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ortylpI use P900 (Galaxy Note PRO) this HW is brilliant, including wacom style stylus...  I need SailfishOS on this with full stylus support and some productivity apps... but it is only a wish, more of a dream20:10
r0kk3rzbuild it then ortylp :P20:10
r0kk3rzwhen is the n1 likely to be released?20:11
ortylpr0kk3rz: I would gladly pay consumer price for it and help beta test it :P20:11
ortylpr0kk3rz: oh, wait, that is what I am doing with N900, N9 and Jolla now....20:12
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r0kk3rzbuying things that are already built isnt building things :P20:13
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