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Mikaela:)05:41
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Teemumokis from tampere hacklab showed me last weekend his new electronics for a hobby servo06:12
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Mikaelasitting at bus and using wlan of next bus at Kotka bus station...10:46
Mikaelabut how would Jolla know that I am in this one and that leaves10:46
friesebusses have w-lan now? damn, haven't been riding bus for a long time then (or they don't have that in germany)10:47
MikaelaI lost it's WLAN :(10:48
Mikaelaat least in Finland newer buses usually have it10:48
friesehmm okay10:49
r0kk3rzMikaela: aside from signal strength, theres no real way of knowing which AP is best to connect to10:49
PeperJohnnyfriese: as far as i remember we don't have any because of our f*cked up laws ;)10:49
friesei remember visiting finland and the train had free w-lan, that was awesome! here in germany its only some fast ones and the internet is quite pricey then10:49
Mikaelathe APs have different ssid and AP of this bus will be turned on after we start moving10:50
Mikaelatrains don't have routes that would be useful to me10:51
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Stskeepsfriese: well, it's wlan and packets are moving approximately as fast as the train10:51
Stskeeps:P10:51
frieseyeah, good my jolla also moves approximately as fast as the train (at least when i'm riding on it)10:52
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Mikaelahmm, they renamed the SSID from onnibjs.com to OnniBus.com and that wasn't stored in connman10:53
MikaelaI have heard that in trains the window seats have the best wlan10:53
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Mikaelaand I am happy, this bus only gave me captive portal once instead of one every ten seconds10:57
chem|stfriese: iirc DB will enhance their coverage10:58
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frieseyeah? would be nice11:00
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krofriese: the long-distance buses in DE (deinbus, flixbus, meinfernbus etc) usually have WiFi11:33
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tore_anyone know how to tell which DNS servers connman is using?11:51
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Stskeepsdear lazyweb, do you know of any gesture recognition engines for qt5?11:57
Stskeepslike touch ones11:57
Wntwhat kind of gestures? pinching and swiping or something more custom?12:00
Stskeepseverything. slide in from left, top, bottom, right, tap, double-tap, pinch in/out, two finger scroll, ish12:00
Stskeepsor circle gesture12:00
Stskeepsso standard ones-ish12:01
Wntsome of those seem to be handeled by https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.7/qgesture.html12:01
Stskeepsmm, but that's dead isn't it12:01
Stskeepsfrom a qml pov12:01
locusfyou have your peekfilter in homescreen, right?12:04
krotore_: it's visible with 'lsof'12:04
Stskeepslocusf: yeah, but i'm on weekend.. :P12:05
locusfStskeeps: ah ok :)12:05
Stskeepshttp://depts.washington.edu/aimgroup/proj/dollar/ndollar.html seems curious12:06
locusfusually the gestures as simple as using a mousearea12:06
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/blob/master/src/qml/compositor/ScreenGestureArea.qml12:07
anandrkrisStskeeps: Nokia released a launcher that uses such gestures IIRC12:09
anandrkrishttps://www.zlauncher.com/index.html12:09
Stskeepsnod12:10
anandrkrisi guess it was same time around Tablet announcement :)12:11
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Sail0rnope it's much older12:11
Sail0rthey already showed demos of zlauncher mid of last year12:11
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Sail0rhttp://www.apkreleases.com/2014/06/19/z-launcher-apk-android-download/#12:12
Sail0r;)12:12
anandrkrisSail0r: Oh...ok...then i must have spotted it along with Nokia Tablet announcement12:12
anandrkris:)12:12
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meklu|fdfthat's when it re-emerged12:15
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mornfallhmm, a weather app... I kinda wish we'd get something that wasn't available as a (superior) 3rd party app already12:34
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Teguye..12:37
friesei'd like to see some more features in the mapping-app. i kinda like here as android-app, but something with proper offline maps&navigation as sailfish app would be nice12:37
mornfallfriese: well, that only has about 1000 votes on together :P12:37
friesei know, i know :)12:37
mornfallon the other hand, weather app request has like 10 votes, so clearly much more important :-)12:38
phlixithen it is probably not the missig votes that stops that from beeing implemented...12:38
PeperJohnnyWell it might be slightly easier to implement a weather app ;)12:38
mornfallPeperJohnny: by that logic, jolla should be selling biscuits not phones12:39
PeperJohnnymornfall: all i am saying is that they probably needed something to show off the new eventsview capabilities, because they were maybe longer in the pipeline12:40
mornfallcontributing that to meecast (which has a wide install base already) might have been a more productive way to do that12:41
mornfallbut wait, 3rd party apps on harbour are not allowed to go into background12:41
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PeperJohnnyI see you're quite frustrated, but nonetheless I think they're giving their best and cannot make everyone happy :/12:43
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mornfallwell, yes, the situation with maps on jolla is very sad12:57
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PeperJohnnyyep i agree12:58
mornfallI guess they only ever tested their app on (undoubtedly superior) Finnish 3G/GSM infrastructure... because getting it to draw my surroundings is usually quite impossible on a slow-ish mobile data connection12:59
PeperJohnnymornfall: you have only 2g?12:59
mornfalland alas, no offline mode (that'd fix the problem even if the online mode is clunky)12:59
mornfallPeperJohnny: usually 3G, but that doesn't seem to help13:00
mornfallit does lose packets13:00
PeperJohnnyhaving offline maps would be quite nice13:00
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mornfallmaybe it's the network stack that's cranky13:01
mornfallwell13:01
PeperJohnnyor it's some licensing stuff with nokia13:02
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mornfallwell, rendering vector maps on a phone is not an entirely easy problem13:03
mornfalland offline tiles are, well, not very good13:03
Nicd-jolla didn't build the maps app though13:03
mornfallNicd-: and the provider of the map app no longer works with HERE data IIUIC13:04
mornfallso...13:04
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mornfallI guess the worst part is the persistent radio silence jolla maintains on the issue...13:07
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mornfall(on the other hand, stating that the half-baked online-only maps is all there is going to be wouldn't be the best marketing message to the would-be tablet buyers)13:12
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the_mgtthey are damned if they do and damned if they dont13:16
the_mgtthey said they support sdxc cards and got flamed by license vegans13:17
the_mgtwhy should they relive that experience again?13:17
the_mgt"we will be using HERE maps for offline navigation" "Damn you, how could you spend my money for license fees on a satanic childraping and seal clubbing company?!"13:18
HarhaanJohtajahttps://together.jolla.com/question/339/downloadable-map-data-and-offline-turn-by-turn-navigation-in-maps/13:19
mornfallthat's a false analogy13:19
HarhaanJohtajaWe aspire to offer this feature in the shortest time possible, however I don't see any possibility at the moment that this would materialize in a native form at least until next January.13:19
HarhaanJohtajafrom that link13:19
mornfallHarhaanJohtaja: well, last january came and gone :P13:19
mornfallnext january I mean13:19
Nicd-I for one am glad they decided to use HERE instead of OSM13:20
mornfallwell, OSM-only offline would be better than nothing-only offline13:21
ortylpNicd-: I do not understand why to use anything but OSM...13:21
mornfallortylp: that very much depends on where you live13:21
Nicd-ortylp: because OSM data sucks. try looking at somewhere outside the city13:21
mornfalland what your usecase is13:21
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ortylpin my case OSM data was more acurrate and recent than google and Nokia together13:22
mornfallortylp: plural of anecdote is not data13:22
ortylp:D13:22
ortylpthe quality of OSM data depends only on its users (who should be also contributors)13:23
Nicd-this is why I'm glad they used HERE: http://imgur.com/a/ROmUt#013:24
ortylpit is the same case as for FOSS13:24
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Nicd-of course OSM depends on the contributors but as a normal user I don't care about that13:25
Nicd-I just want to navigate to my summer cottage13:25
ortylpNicd-: this is cool!!! finally something to do outside :) my area is completely mapped already....13:25
Nicd-at that point I'm not interested in FOSS politics13:25
mornfallwell, to be honest, HERE is missing a lot of detail in my area (I didn't try to compare with OSM though)13:26
mornfallbut again, *some* map (even if not as detailed as you'd like) is better than *no* map13:26
Nicd-ortylp: if you want a job, take a look anywhere in the finnish countryside :P13:27
Nicd-OSM is inaccurate as hell13:27
mornfalland well, the only way to get a reliable map is, still, buy a paper one13:27
ortylpI live in Europe and wherever I go I cannot even fin a single path through the woods that is not mapped yet...13:28
Nicd-mornfall: I've had problems with HERE being *too* accurate... listing roads that go through people's yards and some that are barely driveable :D13:28
ortylpmornfall: only if you have access to military grade maps...13:28
trt`heheh13:28
Nicd-for what it's worth, the finnish official maps are free to use for everyone. dunno why OSM has not imported their data, maybe the format or licence are wrong13:29
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trt`Nicd-, I went on a mountain path with HERE, that took me to a barrier saying "private property"13:29
ortylpNicd-: maybe next year, I am planning vacation in north Scotland this Fall13:30
Nicd-inside populated areas I think OSM is the best map available though13:30
Nicd-it even shows future, planned roads13:30
ortylpNicd-: AFAIK it is the same case in France, they have map data for free and have no incentive to care for OSM13:31
mornfallortylp: well, I have a stack of maps covering all of Slovakia in 1:50k13:32
mornfallit was made by the military cartographic institute, so at least it's probably based on accurate data even if not really “military grade”13:33
ortylpmornfall: as I was working a few weeks as a student at Ericsson  I had access to 1:10k for north Poland stacked in scrolls... many scrolls...13:35
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mornfallwell, what I have is something you can go and buy in a shop13:35
mornfallalso importantly, electronic maps rarely show topology (not sure if because of lack of data or other reasons)13:36
ortylpmornfall: well... I like doing long trips on foot, so contributing to OSM is a nice byproduct of being  on the move outside13:37
ortylpmornfall: there are topographic overlays from radar data published by NASA, if you try OSMAnd, then you can blend this layer over conventional data, it looks pretty nice13:38
ortylpI have just googled this out: http://opentopomap.org13:40
Nicd-dat norway <313:41
mornfall:-) pretty13:42
mornfallalthough the resolution of the topography seems to be a bit limited13:43
ortylpyeah... pretty :)13:43
Nicd-and it's *really* slow to load13:43
ortylpthis kind of presentation of topographical data seems really familiar13:43
ortylpyep13:44
ortylpbut pretty13:44
mornfallalso I'm pretty sure isolines are not supposed to cross :-P13:44
mornfallI should go look at that place it's not far from here, maybe I'll fall into a dimensional rift13:45
ortylpthis should be the default presentation on osm.org13:45
mornfallhttp://opentopomap.org/#map=16/48.76815/16.8873613:46
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ortylpups... this is not normal behavior of isolines...13:47
mornfall:-)13:47
mornfallit's probably interpolated from a height map13:48
tore_mmcli -m 013:49
tore_#ups13:49
ortylphttp://opentopomap.org/about  => it is a project on the university in Erlangen (Germany)13:50
ortylpThey use the official German style for rendering... that is why it was so familiar13:50
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phlixiwow, i like this http://opentopomap.org thanks ortylp :-)14:16
phlixiand it is blazing fast o_O14:16
Nicd-it was terribly terribly slow for me14:16
politieis it an app14:17
phliximight be related to the fact, that the FAU is only a few kilometers from here ;-)14:17
phlixi(Friedrich Alexander Universität Erlangen)14:18
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phlixiand OSM is generally pretty good in GER anyway14:19
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ortylpphlixi: I have entered its URL into marble and now I am caching my area for later use :)14:24
phlixiwhat is "marble"?14:25
ortylpphlixi:  https://marble.kde.org/install.php14:26
ortylpphlixi: for your linux distro is should already be packetised14:27
phlixiwell, im on windows ;)14:28
ortylpphlixi: my condolences... as I see there is also a binary for windows available14:29
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phlixiwell, its my free will to use windows, no need to condolences ;)14:38
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iluminator105is there a sailfish port for moto x 2014 or moto g 201416:09
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NichopeHi there!16:11
Nichopeiluminator105: did you already check the channel coderus suggested you? It looked like a good place16:13
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gexc-phoneandroid apps cannot access the sdcard after update?16:31
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attahgexc-phone: guess yo can make symbolic link still16:32
gexc-phoneI have a sym link at ~16:33
attahah16:33
gexc-phonebut it cannot be seen16:33
attahit was chrooted16:33
gexc-phonehmm...16:34
attah /opt/alien is now / of the android environment16:34
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gexc-phoneso in order to access the sdcard in android I need to repoint the symlink?16:37
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attahyou need to have it placed inside /opt/alien if i understand correctly16:38
gexc-phoneoh...16:38
gexc-phoneso a symlink in ~ does not work anymore16:39
attahexactly16:39
attahthat can't be seen afaik16:39
gexc-phoneI see...16:39
attahi assume soft links will fail with chroot16:41
fennekkiif they point to a directory outside the chroot with an absolute path the absolute path will be wrong16:41
attahgoogle tells me "bind mount" is the way to go16:41
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gexc-phonefennekki: I just put a symlink in /opt/alien and failed lol16:43
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fennekkigexc-phone: ~ inside a chroot of /opt/alien will point to /opt/alien/home/nemo16:43
gexc-phoneyep16:43
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attahhttp://www.proftpd.org/docs/howto/Chroot.html16:44
fennekkiHow do I chroot web16:44
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gexc-phoneattah: just tried to "mount -o bind /media /opt/alien/media" android can see the mountpoint of the sdcard, but not the contents in it, :-/16:56
gexc-phonemaybe mount the sdcard itself?16:56
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gexc-phonesolved :-D17:04
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gexc-phonebind mounting the directory of the sdcard works17:05
attah:)17:05
gexc-phonethanks :)17:05
attahnp17:05
attaha learning experience for me too17:05
gexc-phonelol17:06
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ortylphttps://together.jolla.com/question/1888/add-optional-access-to-external-sd-card-from-android-app/17:06
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gexc-phoneortylp: this situation happens after the update17:09
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gexc-phoneno issues before that17:09
ortylpgexc-phone: I see, I have just seen "again" the question about sdcard without reading the whole discussion above17:11
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gexc-phone:-F17:12
gexc-phone:-D17:12
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Mikaelaafter upgrading it seems that play music doesn't autospawn lastfm scrobbler anymore. it's not an issue though19:52
omicron23hi, is there a port of sailfish for n9 with a recent version of sailfish?19:53
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Nicd-omicron23: try #sailfishos-porters19:57
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HtheBo/20:35
HtheByo tigeli, sup20:35
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