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coderuspatch for resetting image scale by doubletap: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-gallery-doubletap-scale-reset03:47
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tadzikwhere does patchmanager keep its installed patches, again?09:31
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ruskiewow jolla ad on youtube10:24
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tadzik:o10:26
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* pp wonders when a wasmysimcardmadebygemalto.com will appear (ok, probably impossible to get the data for that :-) )10:56
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SQUelcherI've got 20-30 active sim cards in my desk drawer %)10:58
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chem|stSQUelcher: one each DOM11:01
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ikarusIs there any application that on the lockscreen or wherever will show free diskspace, internal and on SD card ?, just easily accessible at a glance15:48
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PaulePanterHi. Is there an easy way to turn the Jolla into an EHCI debug device? Like prebuilt Linux kernel images or so?15:51
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sledgesi really hate android: "this app won't run without google play services, which are missing from your phone"15:57
sledgesand that's a car insurance "appy driver" app15:58
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CardenalJimenez_every damn android app is enslaved to google pay services nowadays16:06
CardenalJimenez_even a simple todo-list app is16:06
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CardenalJimenez_Big Brother Google is laughing at us16:06
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ggabrielinterestingly, uber isn't16:09
ggabrieland google has stake in uber16:09
CardenalJimenez_weird16:09
CardenalJimenez_every other cab booking app is16:10
ggabrielyup16:10
CardenalJimenez_even local ones, allegedly independant from Google16:10
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ggabrielmaybe their pr people are independent or think they are, but the devs are too lazy16:11
CardenalJimenez_agreed16:11
CardenalJimenez_tying their app to google services is the easy way16:12
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CardenalJimenez_when what they only need in fact is Maps as a service16:12
ggabrielwell, uber uses google maps iirc16:12
CardenalJimenez_could be done w/ loose dependancy16:12
ggabrielso i don't know how they pull that off16:12
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ggabrielthere are a lot of map services out there anyway, and better than google's16:12
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PaulePanterIs there a public Linux kernel Git repository for the Linux kernel used for the Jolla phone?16:14
PaulePanterhttps://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930 has not seen an update since the beginning of the year. (If that ever was the official source.)16:15
tbrPaulePanter: there is no official repository, no16:15
tbrPaulePanter: the closest you get is the per-release source dump on my server, straight from jolla, by jolla.16:16
PaulePantertbr: Do you know why?16:16
PaulePantertbr: http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/ ?16:16
tbryes that16:17
PaulePanterHmm, I had the impression they try to be open.16:17
PaulePanter*want to be16:17
ggabrielPaulePanter: sadly, the official way is requesting a dvd by post16:17
ggabriellegal reasons, etc16:17
ggabrielthe online image is a nice unofficial way of doing it, but you have to trust it16:18
ggabrielelse get the dvd16:18
PaulePanterLooking at https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930/commits/master the commits seem to be squashed.16:18
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PaulePanterggabriel: Seriously? I did not know that and have never known that before.16:18
ggabrielimho being open != having a public scm16:18
PaulePanters/never known/never heard/16:18
ggabrielPaulePanter: it's in the about page on th ephone16:18
tbrPaulePanter: they are likely coming from my server or someone handing over a tarball that's identical to that16:19
PaulePanterggabriel: Well, it helps and is the quasi standard today. Even Microsoft put .NET(?) on GitHub.16:19
tbrthe first few uploads to my server were obtained by snail mailing jolla HQ a request and getting back a physical optical medium16:19
PaulePanterHmm, probably I would have never bought a Jolla if I had known that before. :(16:20
ggabrielPaulePanter: it's a matter of opinions. android is meant to be open too and there isn't a public scm afaik16:20
tbrI wouldn't judge them for _this_ particular bit16:20
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tbrthat's likely the lawyers getting in the way on some things16:21
PaulePanterWell, in my opinion it raises the bar of entry that high, it’s unacceptable and they miss on contributions.16:21
PaulePantertbr: I seriously doubt that.16:21
ggabrielthere isn't much you can contribute to the linux kernel tho16:21
ggabrielwell, i dunno, depends on what you're working on i suppose16:22
PaulePanterWell then, no Sailfish for me anymore in the future and no advertisement to friends and relatives either.16:23
tbrnote that the kernel is something that I like calling a "frankenkernel"16:23
PaulePanterSure. And having the commits making it that way and being able to use `git blame` and so on helps in understanding it better.16:24
tbrwhile I sympathize with your opinion, I also do recognize the cruel reality that jolla is living in.16:24
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PaulePanterhttps://chromium.googlesource.com/16:24
tbrbasically if you are looking for "truly open" (sic!), then I may suggest Nemomobile16:24
PaulePanterAt least the Chromium OS folks do it.16:24
ggabrielPaulePanter: the sailfish browser is open source, and chromium os != android16:25
ggabriel+1 tbr16:25
ggabrielnot sure what ff os does tbh, but feature wise you can't compare it to sailfish imo16:26
ggabrielso it really depends what you're after...16:26
locusfeven Nemo on a Jolla device has the problem of closed hardware adaptation16:26
PaulePantertbr: In the mobile market I accept that I would have to use some binary BLOB, but at least the free software stack they fork, they should publish the repositories.16:26
locusfhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS <- they do16:27
virtualdnothing with a sim card will be truly open anyway...16:27
PaulePanterggabriel: git remote add jolla http://…16:27
PaulePanterHack away, send patches.16:27
ggabrielPaulePanter: easily said16:27
ggabrieli kind of understand the obstacles, but am not immersed in the detail, so i won't comment any more16:27
PaulePanterI would have expected that there is a write-up already elaborating on these decisions in detail. Right now I am still “shocked”.16:28
tbrif you are looking for everything in open repositories, then sailfish is not what you are looking for16:29
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tbrand I see kernel only coming in dumps as least of the openness issues16:29
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PaulePantertbr: As said, not everything. But the free software parts, yes.16:36
PaulePantertbr: How do I know what is worked on, how can I test the patches, review it, help getting them upstream?16:37
tbrmwahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahah16:37
tbrsorry16:37
tbrI feel I should let someone else answer that one and explain the mer/nemo thing16:37
PaulePantertbr, ggabriel: Thank you for your answers and opening my eyes though!16:38
faenilit seems I missed an important discussion? :)16:38
tbrah, the right guy to explain mer/nemo contributions16:38
PaulePanterI still do not understand why Chromium OS/Chromebooks and Sailfish OS/Jolla phone are different though.16:38
tbrfaenil should be a bit less pessimistic and frustrated on those things16:39
PaulePanterfaenil: Are you able to read the backlog? It’s not that long.16:39
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faenillet's see16:39
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tbrelse someone might accuse me /again/ of unreasonable and unfounded criticism16:41
PaulePantertbr: What have you been critized for?16:42
ggabrielPaulePanter: np and sorry reality sometimes != expectations16:42
faenilPaulePanter: I can't add any other info about the kernel stuff...I can just say that's really the last problem, imho16:44
PaulePanterSo what is the big difference between Sailfish OS and Android then?16:44
faenilabout core and middleware, Jolla tries hard to build directly from github repos (and gitlab, for Mer)16:44
ikarusSailfish OS is alot more regular Linux16:45
PaulePanterfaenil: What do you mean by “last problem”? So least important problem?16:45
faeniland contributions to those parts are very well accepted, even if the learning curve is a bit steep16:45
faenilPaulePanter: yes16:45
ikaruswhich makes things less mobile phone from 1999 stupid16:45
PaulePanterfaenil: If those would be welcomed, the barrier of entry would not be that high.16:46
ikarusI guess it's more like Jolla scaled down the laptop Linux stuff and made a pretty UI for it16:46
ikaruswhile Android made traditional mobile phone OS stuff run on a Linux kernel16:46
PaulePanterikarus: Sorry, I did not understand “which makes things less mobile phone from 1999 stupid”.16:46
faenilPaulePanter: contributions to core and mw are welcomed16:46
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faenilyet the bar is high because there's no repo<->maintainer list, for instance16:46
faenil(we asked that 1 year ago)16:47
phdeswerAnd well mer/nemo procedures are quite complex16:47
PaulePanterfaenil: You are not employed by Jolla, right? (Don’t know you so well in here. Sorry for the question.)16:47
faeniland generally speaking, there's no detailed guide which helps you understand *which* repo you actually have to commit to if you want to implement *your favourite feature*16:47
faenilPaulePanter: nope, I am not ;)16:47
faenilPaulePanter: just long time free time Nemomobile contributor16:48
PaulePanterfaenil: Thanks. Looks like you should be.16:48
faenilPaulePanter: I'll take that as a compliment, thanks16:48
PaulePanterfaenil: It was meant as one.16:48
faenil:)16:48
PaulePanterAnyway, in the last hour my view on Sailfish OS and Jolla totally changed. Very sad.16:49
ikarusPaulePanter: okay, mobile phone development has grown from basic phones to feature phones to smartphones, but some legacy stuff stuck around16:50
faenilFrom my perspective, I can sum up with:16:50
ikaruslike the idea that the only way to do power managment is to make the whole device sleep16:50
ikarusor that the way to handle concurrent applications is to ask one to save and terminate and launch another one16:50
faenil- many people in jolla are *good*, in the opensource way of good. YET they're trapped by business goals and management, as it usually happens16:50
ikarusAndroid and iOS follow that philosophy16:51
PaulePanterI thought at least in the Jolla case, the management would be different.16:51
ikarusbut Sailfish OS, having come from the Nokia Internet Tablets takes a different approach of downscaling laptop Linux instead16:51
PaulePanterikarus: Ok. Thank you for elaborating.16:51
ikarusPaulePanter: np16:51
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ikarusIt makes a huge difference as a programmer on the OS, even being forced to use Qt for a native experience on Sailfish OS, it feels more like regular desktop programming then dealing with Android16:52
PaulePanterIn the end, I’ll think that in some years the Android kernel will be closer to Linux.16:52
ikarusPaulePanter: puhlease, the VM is so in the way of things on Android, the kernel is irrelevant16:52
PaulePanterikarus: As mostly a user, I “don’t care” so much about it.16:52
ikarusPaulePanter: well, it means you get better apps quicker16:53
tbrthe diff between "the android kernel" (as google has it) and kernel.org is very thin by now16:53
PaulePanterikarus: For my use case, I do not care either.16:53
faenil- second thing is: to survive, Jolla gives higher priority to operators request and investors requests than community ones...this could be trivial to some, yet it's better to specify it, imho16:53
PaulePantertbr: Exactly.16:53
tbrit's a few patches like the paranoid-android-networking and a part of the wakelocks16:53
tbrthe real beef is in the OEM/ODM/vendor kernel diffs16:53
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ikarustbr: wakelocks are my favorite disaster area16:53
tbrwe're talking about up to _several_ million patches diff between on device and kernel.org16:54
ggabrielwhoever doesn't like google's wakelocks16:54
PaulePanterLet’s hope Jolla will change to be more like Chromium OS then.16:54
ikarusPaulePanter: it uh, sort of already is, but that is Mer and related parts16:54
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PaulePanterI thought at least the time wasted by being a “beta” tester would have been saved with an easy barrier of entry, but I should have done my homework and informed myself better beforehand.16:55
PaulePanterAlso I would have expected a page explaining these decisions.16:56
PaulePanterAnyway, enough time wasted complaining. We all have better things to do I guess.16:56
PaulePanterAnd thank you for listening to me.16:56
phdeswerPaulePanter: which decisions do you mean?16:57
faenilPaulePanter: explaining how? "Hey, welcome to the mobile market. Chinese give us a platform, with a kernel. That's it, it's not (entirely) our fault"16:57
faenilthat would be the content of that page16:57
PaulePanterphdeswer: That there is no public mirror from *Jolla* and you have to get the source by mail.16:57
phdeswerSailfish is odm kernel + fixes + nemo/mer + some UI16:57
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HtheBtigeli: you there?16:58
ikarusPaulePanter: point is, that is perfectly legal and within the rights of the GPL and I guess it saves them the hassle of actually having to support a public repository16:58
phdeswerPaulePanter: well that is something I wonder about sometimes too, but some odms and chip manufacturers like Qualcomm can be hard16:58
PaulePanterfaenil: That wouldn’t explain why they do not publish the sources and only do dumps too.16:58
PaulePanterikarus: Sure it’s legal. And it’s also pretty dumb and not what you do when you say you are open.16:58
phdeswerPaulePanter: well most of what you call dumps is in nemo/mer repositorues16:59
tbrphdeswer: to translate. he's wondering why "kernel-adaptation-sbj" doesnt' have a public repository.16:59
faenilPaulePanter: are you talking about kernel dump, or firmware/OS dump?16:59
tbrat least this page doesn't know of it https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS16:59
phdeswertbr: well that one I wonder about too16:59
PaulePanterphdeswer: Ok, I’ll try to take a look there. Do you have a link to the Linux kernel repository?16:59
phdeswerPaulePanter: no the kernel is not there (as it is device specific and out of mer/nemo scope.17:00
PaulePanterfaenil: Currently I am talking mainly about the Linux kernel.17:00
faenilok17:00
phdeswerAfaik it is an odm legal issue that there is no git repo for it17:00
phdeswerAnd from the odm that probably goes up to Qualcomm.17:00
PaulePanterBut U-Boot repository would also be nice.17:00
faenilI vaguely remember Stskeeps explaining that commits include stuff which can't be legally made public, so that's why17:00
faenil(I could be wrong, it's just something I vaguely remember from one of the Sailfish community meetings on IRC)17:01
phdeswerPaulePanter: Jolla does not run U-boot as bootloader17:01
ikarusfaenil: oh, gah, yeah, I've had stuff like that17:01
tbrit's probably a vendor patched aboot17:01
PaulePanterThe Chromium folks also have to deal with that and worked around it by putting the classified information into a restricted bug tracker for example.17:01
ikarusfaenil: where company had a public repo and someone accidentally committed stuff that was classified17:01
PaulePanterphdeswer: Interesting. Did not know that.17:01
PaulePanterphdeswer: Is there a U-Boot port for it though?17:02
phdeswerPaulePanter: well that works for the open bits, but you will run into the same issue when trying to get vendor related stuff from a commercial chromium product...17:02
phdeswerPaulePanter: Not that I know. And well without a schred of useful docs from QC it is very unlikely17:03
PaulePanterphdeswer: Sure, but the free software parts are easily accessible.17:03
phdeswerFor u-boot yes. But if you have no hardware docs it is pretty hard to make a bootloader for it.17:03
phdeswerWelcome to the mobile world where vendors like Qualcomm make you pay for the privilege to ask questions (and no guarantee they will even look at your question)17:04
tbrif you're lucky you could chainload u-boot, just like on the N900. But that would still require writing U-Boot support for that soc.17:06
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faenilPaulePanter: if you put the kernel aside, core and middleware development happens directly on the public repos17:08
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PaulePanterfaenil: Awesome. Guess it was bad luck that I was looking into the Linux kernel then for getting to see how to turn the Jolla phone into an EHCI debug gadget for coreboot https://www.coreboot.org/EHCI_Debug_Port hacking.17:10
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faenilhehe17:11
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phdeswerPaulePanter: looking at the supported chipsets you would have a fun time to get that to work17:11
phdeswerAnd this is in coreboot, so you would need to be able to do bootloader stuff17:13
phdeswerAh you were maybe thinking of this https://www.coreboot.org/EHCI_Gadget_Debug?17:14
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tbrrandom question: friend of mine put authorized_keys on his jolla in .ssh/authorized_keys - dir is 700, file is 600. authentication still fails. any ideas?17:26
Stskeepstbr: shoould work17:27
Stskeepsjournalctl should tell why not17:27
tbrthat's what I thought. asked him to look at journal.17:28
Mikaela/home/nemo: drwxr-x--x 1 nemo nemo       1,1K 2015-02-20 19:27 ./17:28
Mikaela.ssh/: drwx------ 1 nemo nemo  194 2015-01-20 16:55 ./17:28
merbotNemo bug 194 in .Other "application with UI locked to portrait launches in landscape if the keyboard is open" [Normal,New] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19417:28
Mikaela.ssh/authorized_keys: -rw------- 1 nemo nemo 3,0K 2015-01-19 19:02 authorized_keys17:28
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Mikaelathese work for me, I have no idea why it didn't work at first, but one of my scripts sets chmods like this which works everywhere17:29
tbrsame on my device, works fine too. same on his device. let's see what his journal tells.17:30
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Mikaelaweird17:50
HtheBmeow17:50
HtheBwho looks at the android app compatibility?17:51
HtheBSince the last (official) update, Teamviewer doesn't work17:51
HtheBeven with the last EA release, still the same bug17:51
HtheBit crashes when you try to use it17:51
r0kk3rzHtheB: dalvik got stuck in a chroot17:51
HtheBIt worked just fine before the update! :(17:51
r0kk3rzis the major change from before17:52
r0kk3rzso depending on what teamviewer does17:52
r0kk3rzthat could be it17:52
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HtheBwhy 'fix' something that works?17:52
r0kk3rzsecurity17:52
HtheBthere should be a way to get this to work17:52
HtheBbecause this pretty important for me17:52
HtheBsecurity = breaking apps?17:53
rigooh yes!17:53
rigoif you want less security, go android :)17:54
HtheBrigo: why having an android app compatibility if it doesnt work? :)17:54
Stskeepschroot fixes issues like stupid apps calling /system/ stuff17:54
Stskeeps:P17:54
HtheBStskeeps: there should be something that could give certain apps the rights17:54
HtheBmaybe something that you can manually add?17:55
tbrHtheB: did you bother looking at the journal?17:55
rigobecause stupid apps are really dangerous and I want my smartphone OS to sandbox them17:55
HtheBtbr: please enlighten me about this17:55
HtheBrigo: Teamviewer isn't stupid17:55
tbr"journalctl" and crash your app17:55
HtheBtbr: ok just a second17:55
tbrHtheB: it's quite possible that it _does_ something stupid17:55
tbrHtheB: must be root for that17:55
HtheBok17:55
HtheBcan I do it using ssh?17:56
rigoHtheB: I haven't said YOUR app is stupid. Proof, you're here to figure how to make it work in a secure environment17:56
tbryes, ssh is preferred as then you can just copy it to a pastebin17:56
tbrmake sure to resize your terminal before, so that lines don't get clipped17:57
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HtheBtbr: alright! :)17:57
tbron android you'd just break out logcat17:57
tbractually logcat might be necessary here too. I rarely debug android apps as I only use one or two17:58
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r0kk3rzHtheB: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile&hl=en_GB17:59
r0kk3rzHtheB: this app?17:59
HtheBtbr: ah fuck man (sorry for the language)17:59
HtheBr0kk3rz: yes that17:59
HtheBtbr: I have some nasty problems with my alien dalvik17:59
HtheBsince some time my android apps doesn't work with my wifi :/17:59
HtheBit's asking for internet connection18:00
HtheBbut using mobile data, it's working just fine18:00
HtheB(on teamviewer, it still crashes when trying to connect to a PC)18:01
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HtheBtbr: what can I do? :(18:01
tbrHtheB: sounds like you might want to nuke your dalvik install18:02
r0kk3rzHtheB: anything special about your wifi setup?18:02
HtheBr0kk3rz: no18:02
HtheBi can browse using sailfish apps18:03
HtheBalso, using android apps18:03
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HtheBbut I can't install apps using Play Store (dont blame me please :p) and I can't connect on some apps like for instance: Viber18:03
HtheBit asks for an internet connection :/18:03
r0kk3rzsomething is borked, nuke from orbit18:04
r0kk3rzits the only way to be sure18:04
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HtheBr0kk3rz: orbit?18:06
tbrhttp://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nuke-it-from-orbit18:07
HtheBsomeone else might have the same problem. If we can find what the problem is, maybe it could be solved/prevented for other people18:07
HtheBtigeli: wanted to look at it, but he had a flu :(18:07
HtheBtbr: lol ! :p18:08
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HtheBtbr: ok, ive done journalctl18:11
HtheBusing "journalctl > test.txt"18:12
HtheB(i was connected using my mobile data)18:12
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HtheBtbr: you still there?18:16
HtheBI've upped the journalctl output to: www.htheb.com/test.txt18:16
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HtheB]: [0220/185851:ERROR:stat_hub.cc(216)] StatHub::Init - App com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile isn't supported.18:18
HtheBcould that be the error?18:18
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Nexus_of_ConcordHello. Can anyone answer a few questions for me?18:20
HtheBJust ask away, if someone can answer, someone will :P18:20
Nexus_of_ConcordSo I ordered my Jolla last saturday and it's finally "in picking" today. Does anyone know what that entails and how long it lasts?18:21
HtheBafaik, it could take 4 working days18:21
HtheBit should be normal18:21
Nexus_of_Concordholy shit18:22
Stskeepssign of many people wanting a jolla, i guess18:22
svuorelaI want a jolla tablet.18:23
HtheBsvuorela: who doesn't?18:23
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Nexus_of_ConcordI'm going to get one of those as well in the future, propably.18:23
Nexus_of_ConcordMaybe in a few years.18:24
HtheBr0kk3rz: did you tried it?18:24
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r0kk3rznope18:25
HtheBoh :p18:25
r0kk3rzpresumably i need something to connect to18:25
HtheByou can connect to me18:25
HtheBcheck pm18:25
r0kk3rzit was more for any jolla folks playing along18:25
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tbrHtheB: looks like some different app something something. you ommitted the bit where: E chromium: external/chromium/net/disk_cache/stat_hub.cc:216: [0220/185851:ERROR:stat_hub.cc(216)] StatHub::Init - App com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile isn't supported.18:33
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HtheB?18:35
HtheBis there a way to have a "clean journalctl"?18:35
HtheBto have the part just after starting journalctl18:35
HtheBtbr: could this be the problem?18:36
HtheB Jolla alien.sh[846]: [0220/185851:INFO:hostres_plugin_bridge.cc(73)] netstack: Failed to find symbols in plugin: libdnshostprio.so18:36
tbrHtheB: no idea, I'd still nuke the whole thing18:42
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r0kk3rztbr: confirmed broke on my jolla as well18:43
tbrok, then don't nuke it. who knows what they broke18:44
HtheBtnx for the confirmation r0kk3rz18:44
tbrI'd go looking for an older version of that app18:44
HtheBtbr: I think I have an older version on my server18:46
HtheBlet me quickly try it :)18:46
HtheB(that version worked on my jolla before)18:46
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r0kk3rzwell it appears to pop when its trying to connect18:47
r0kk3rzso presumably it needs whatever that libdnshost library is requiring18:48
HtheBr0kk3rz: yes, just right after trying to connect18:48
r0kk3rzsome sort of dep isnt in the chroot18:49
HtheBr0kk3rz: indeed18:52
HtheBusing old version does seems to work18:52
HtheBso it seems that the newer Teamviewer has something that Jolla doesn't support ? (as r0kk3rz says libdnshost ??)18:53
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HtheBtbr, r0kk3rz: any idea what we can do about it?19:42
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tbrHtheB: what?19:42
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HtheBabout TeamViewer19:47
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HtheBtbr: about TeamViewer19:48
tbrHtheB: sacrifice a chicken during the next full moon, while doing a handstand19:49
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HtheBtbr:  already done that :(19:49
HtheBdidn't work :p19:50
HtheBany other ideas?19:52
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tbrI'm the last person to ask that.19:53
HtheB:(19:54
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ikarusanyone know what the official TOHs are made of ? Polystyrene ?21:08
ikaruswonder if I can dye one using iDye Poly :)21:08
attahit says PC on them.. so some polycarbonate i guess?21:10
M4rtinKmaybe ABS ?21:14
HtheBmaybe shit? you never know these days :P21:15
HtheBheheh21:15
PaulePanterphdeswer: Yes, I don *not* want to make a coreboot port for Jolla but use the Jolla phone as an EHCI debug gadget to capture the coreboot (and for example Linux) log of the mainboard I am working with.21:15
HtheBsorry, got bored... :(21:15
attahMaking plastic from shit might be a good idea actually :)21:16
PaulePanterphdeswer: coreboot would have been a nice option for the Jolla Tablet, but I was told it’s too late for that and that UEFI is used for it. Too bad. (Probably even with coreboot the Intel FSP would have been used which is also a big *bad* BLOB. Too bad nothing changed since the Snowden documents were published.21:17
PaulePanterWould have actually be a selling point for European governments.21:18
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M4rtinKBTW, I've been to the Coreboot stand on FOSDEM: https://twitter.com/M4rtinK/status/561886356688105473/photo/121:23
M4rtinKlooked really cool :)21:23
PaulePanterM4rtinK: Nice. When are you planning on doing your first port or putting coreboot on one of your devices?21:25
PaulePanterM4rtinK: Just head over to #coreboot. ;-)21:26
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ikarusmeh, if it's polycarbonate iDye Poly won't react to it, what a shame21:28
M4rtinKalready too overcommited on existing projects to do that :)21:29
M4rtinKikarus: you can have one 3D printed :)21:29
ikarusM4rtinK: sure, but I want one in the original look, but in violet21:30
M4rtinKikarus: also dirkvl has some on his shop IIRC (funkyotherhalf)21:30
ikarusor purple21:30
M4rtinKoh, right21:30
ikarusalso still looking for I guess the pink one if I can still find it21:30
ikarusI hate it how they are temporary21:30
ikarusI keep missing out on the orders21:30
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kroikarus: I guess many will have ordered the pink+line set and won't need one or the other... keep a look out on ebay or here21:50
ikaruskro: I am21:51
krogot mine today, but already promised the pink ont to somebody else21:51
ikarusyeah, guess I should pay attention then21:53
ikarusand it looks like the dye I got may work on polycarbonate21:53
ikaruswhich means that I can hopefully dye my white one violet :)21:53
ikarusthat would be awesome21:53
ikarusMikaela: if the above dyeing ^^ works then I'll let you know, we might be able to have purple ones anyway :)21:54
M4rtinKI like my blue TOH :)21:54
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M4rtinKblue and with 6 DIP switches :)21:55
ikaruswhen I bought my Jolla, it came default with white and I could pick up the black, which I currently use21:57
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r0kk3rzmust get around to making a plastic injector22:14
attahr0kk3rz: sounds interesting.. but how would you make the molds?22:15
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r0kk3rzmill22:16
r0kk3rzdrills22:16
r0kk3rzmaybe a bit of cnc22:16
attahokay, fair enough22:16
r0kk3rzwould want to simplify the design a lot22:17
r0kk3rzbut the stock one is designed to minimise the amount of plastic used22:17
attahalthough in that case i'd probably go straight for a sintering printer22:17
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r0kk3rzthats another option22:18
r0kk3rzor cast the mold with a 3d printed plug22:19
attahsomehow i think that is bound to cause problems22:20
r0kk3rzwould require a reasonable amount of finishing work22:22
r0kk3rzas casting always does22:22
attahexactly, and i think traditional 3d printing isn't the best way then22:25
r0kk3rzcan you even get laser sinter printers for less than 10k?22:26
attahprobably not unless you DIY22:26
attahcurrent project: http://hackaday.io/project/4052-cnc-laser-cutter-from-scratch22:27
r0kk3rzwell thats a cutter22:29
r0kk3rzi already have access to a laser cutter22:29
attahyes, but it's my cutter :)22:29
attahi'm in it for the learning experience more than anything else22:30
r0kk3rzthey're useful things22:31
r0kk3rzcan do a lot with a laser cutter22:31
attahyes, the detail you can achieve is amazing22:31
r0kk3rzbuild yourself a mearm22:33
attahthat's on my shortlist, already have the servos22:33
r0kk3rzand the rpi22:34
attahunfortunately the laser went wacky, so i sent it in for service22:34
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attahi'll be off, g'night!22:45
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