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HtheB | coderus: ping | 02:21 |
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* Mikaela is again wondering when is "real soon now™" | 04:14 | |
Mikaela | I thought it was yesterday, because my Jolla said "updates avaiable", but it was just store update notification for JKartta that I don't think I have even got working | 04:14 |
Mikaela | Satelites just don't like me | 04:15 |
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klopsi-u3 | ? | 05:02 |
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jaacoppi | real soon means after the next duke nukem is out | 06:08 |
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Teemu | it's been so long i've forgotten the name duke nukem when making the joke | 07:25 |
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tbr | too bad they released DNF, ruined the joke... | 07:26 |
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Teemu | they did? | 07:29 |
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pp | yes | 07:29 |
Jope | a long time ago :-D | 07:29 |
pp | it apparently sucked | 07:29 |
tbr | heard that too | 07:29 |
Teemu | i pretty much quit playing the whole 1st person shooter genre after the flood of doom2 engine games | 07:30 |
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jaacoppi | DNF sucked as an fps but was a mildly disappointing Duke Nukem game | 07:56 |
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klopsi-u3 | just watching the beginning, lots of funny inside jokes | 07:56 |
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Teemu | i already skipped duke nukem and guage as i was chock full of fps gaming | 07:58 |
Teemu | could not care less about the possibility to break windows in gameplay | 07:58 |
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Nicd- | http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/19/lenovo-superfish-adware-preinstalled/ | 08:13 |
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kimmoli | catch a fish | 08:34 |
Stskeeps | superfish.. that's a nice name | 08:34 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:34 |
Acce | sailfish, superfish => *fish, coincidence? :) | 08:35 |
Tegu | sounds fishy | 08:35 |
Trezker | http://www.seekeraftertruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/superfish.jpg | 08:36 |
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Tegu | err, that lenovo's respnse was quite weird as well. blasting some marketing and ignoring the certificate issue. they only seemed to be concerned about pop-ups.. | 08:43 |
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Nicd- | the PR person probably doesn't know what MITM means | 08:44 |
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Tegu | ye, sure it's just a forum post. would be nice to see some better response | 08:45 |
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pp | race to the bottom :( | 08:56 |
pp | sell crappy hardware at +- cost and make money off bundled crapware | 08:56 |
tadzik | hmm, someone here was asking about battery life on android apps, I may have some easily comparable data | 08:57 |
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till_ | lenovo is crap | 09:39 |
tadzik | it is! | 09:40 |
tadzik | their bullshit waterproof keyboards | 09:40 |
tadzik | "buy T series", they said, "it's high quality", they said | 09:40 |
tadzik | spray a bit of water on those marvels of technology, bam! broken | 09:40 |
tadzik | I poured a bottle of beer over the cheap-ass sl500 and it worked like a charm | 09:41 |
j-doge | not all of lenovo is crap | 09:41 |
ggabriel | not sure which laptop is tougher than a thinkpad tho | 09:41 |
till_ | I replaced my old t60 with a x240 last year, shouldn't have done that | 09:41 |
j-doge | for example my x301 is a trusty workhorse | 09:41 |
tadzik | I'll be replacing my keyboard for the 2nd time in my t430 now | 09:41 |
ggabriel | i've got an x230 and the first thing i did to it was give it beer | 09:41 |
ggabriel | it didn't like it, but it survived | 09:41 |
ggabriel | then i stood on it | 09:41 |
ggabriel | didn't like it either, but survived | 09:41 |
ggabriel | and apparently i stood on it again, but i don't remember that instance (maybe i had given myself beer that time) | 09:42 |
ggabriel | it's still running :P | 09:42 |
till_ | static on headphones, ips-ghosting that lasts for minutes, strange ssd-read/write errors, batteries dropped to 80% in one year | 09:42 |
tadzik | well, mine is running alright, I just had a panic attack yesterday | 09:42 |
till_ | and of course missing f-keys and mouse buttons | 09:42 |
tbr | tadzik: they keyboard is actually not meant to survive, but the machine is. Keyboard takes one for the team, channels fluid through and out the bottom of the device. | 09:42 |
tadzik | typed my password wrong 20 times in a row | 09:42 |
tadzik | then tried desktop passwords, server password, all wrong | 09:42 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: Oo | 09:42 |
tadzik | how on earth am I going to decrypt this harddrive now | 09:42 |
tadzik | but it was just left shift being broken | 09:42 |
tadzik | tbr: oh, that's the idea. I see | 09:43 |
tadzik | well then, fairy nuff | 09:43 |
ggabriel | problem is that standards are being lowered | 09:43 |
tadzik | good thing it's not that expensive | 09:43 |
till_ | isn't the keyboard sealed? | 09:43 |
ggabriel | i don't know of any laptop tougher than [some] lenovos | 09:43 |
till_ | unfortunately yes, there are no alternatives | 09:44 |
till_ | except for older models | 09:44 |
tadzik | I've seen some new Dells in the office that looked good | 09:44 |
ggabriel | well ofc | 09:44 |
tbr | there were those toughbooks | 09:44 |
tadzik | still have clitmouses and pretty neat keyboards | 09:44 |
ggabriel | tadzik: had a dell and meh, they're alright compared to most | 09:44 |
SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: the X240 was a disaster it seems | 09:44 |
till_ | but the same display as mine i think | 09:44 |
j-doge | tadzik: so I guess not all Dells are created equal... | 09:44 |
tbr | the most recent stinkpad respin readds the clitmouse buttons | 09:44 |
SfietKonstantinW | as the button for the clitmouse were removed | 09:44 |
tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: yeah, the -40s are super shit | 09:44 |
SfietKonstantinW | X250 fixes this though | 09:44 |
tadzik | for this exact reason | 09:44 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: wat, i won't upgrade to the x240 then | 09:45 |
* SfietKonstantinW will get a X250 it seems | 09:45 | |
ggabriel | i'll wait | 09:45 |
ggabriel | also, max ram is a problem | 09:45 |
tadzik | I think at some point they removed customer reviews from lenovo.com | 09:45 |
ggabriel | x240 can't go up to 16gb while x230 can | 09:45 |
SfietKonstantinW | and seriously, even the X201 is so tough and powerful enough | 09:45 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: because: mobile chips | 09:45 |
till_ | x230 seemed to be the better one, but I wanted a 1080p screen at least | 09:45 |
SfietKonstantinW | that's both good and bad :( | 09:45 |
SfietKonstantinW | sadly | 09:45 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: i thought because only 1 dram bank :P | 09:45 |
SfietKonstantinW | you get +++battery, but --perfs | 09:45 |
SfietKonstantinW | :( | 09:45 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: X240 = 20h of batt | 09:46 |
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ggabriel | oh, that's the other nice thing of lenovo... 2 big batteries=heavier but 20h | 09:46 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: interesting... | 09:46 |
tbr | maybe the X1 respin now | 09:46 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: i may be able to live with max 12gb ram, but don't know, too many vm's | 09:46 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: I have a desktop for this | 09:47 |
SfietKonstantinW | 16Go ram only though | 09:47 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: if you can, sadly i'm a bit of a road warrior | 09:47 |
SfietKonstantinW | X201's 4Go ram is really limiting though | 09:47 |
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SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: I know this feeling: I use my desktop as a CI and dev on the laptop | 09:47 |
SfietKonstantinW | and it seems that the mobile chips used on X240 X250 is not as powerful as those from X230 etc. | 09:48 |
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ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: yeah, i couldn't do that due to my work, i need things running locally for presentations and whatnot | 09:48 |
ggabriel | stinky little mobile chips | 09:48 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: thought about a T4XXX ? | 09:49 |
SfietKonstantinW | T4XX ? | 09:49 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: too big, but have the option | 09:50 |
SfietKonstantinW | or maybe a WXXX if you want moar raw power | 09:50 |
ggabriel | work allows me to buy an X or a T only | 09:50 |
ggabriel | no, don't have that option | 09:50 |
SfietKonstantinW | haha, I know this feeling too: X is the best size | 09:50 |
SfietKonstantinW | X1 3rd edition ? | 09:50 |
ggabriel | when I say "buy", I mean they buy it :P | 09:50 |
SfietKonstantinW | don't know if it is a mobile chip | 09:50 |
ggabriel | only x240 now | 09:50 |
ggabriel | i'll wait for the x250, i can't live w/o clit buttons | 09:50 |
ggabriel | ...and I don't use the mouse that much :S | 09:51 |
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SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: especially on mobility you don't have the space for a mouse | 09:53 |
SfietKonstantinW | but geez, the thinkpad X series are SO expensive too | 09:54 |
SfietKonstantinW | worse than a macbook :/ | 09:54 |
ggabriel | yeah, but macbooks are crap | 09:54 |
SfietKonstantinW | especially for devs | 09:54 |
Nicd- | macbooks are awesome <3 | 09:55 |
ggabriel | if you "use" it, they're crap | 09:55 |
tadzik | is anything expensive for devs? :P | 09:55 |
ggabriel | if you use 3 protective cases around it, it may last 3 yeras | 09:55 |
ggabriel | and you never disassemble it | 09:55 |
ggabriel | not that you can these days | 09:55 |
ggabriel | and you never take it to eg the beach | 09:56 |
Nicd- | I'd never take any laptop to a beach... that's just asking for trouble | 09:56 |
ggabriel | i don't understand how powerbooks were so tough and then all of a sudden the macbooks became cinderellas | 09:56 |
ggabriel | Nicd-: well, sometimes you have to | 09:56 |
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ggabriel | a mobile computer that you can't take to some places is not a mobile computer | 09:56 |
Nicd- | but I used my previous macbook for nearly 9 years. I think that's a decent life for a laptop | 09:56 |
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ggabriel | well, places on earth ofc | 09:57 |
ggabriel | Nicd-: yup | 09:57 |
Nicd- | and I carried it with me almost every day | 09:57 |
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SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: to compare, my desktop costs ~700€ and have 2 times the raw power of the most expensive X250 | 09:59 |
SfietKonstantinW | and you can dev on a desktop just right | 10:00 |
SfietKonstantinW | so, not so expensive for a dev :) | 10:00 |
tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: oh, compared to desktops of course :) | 10:02 |
ggabriel | how hard can it be to carry a desktop on a backpack, carrying a diesel generator and having some sort of backpack mounted screen? | 10:03 |
ggabriel | you also get fitter | 10:03 |
ggabriel | well, you can't catch a plane, that's for sure | 10:03 |
tadzik | why not? | 10:03 |
tadzik | If you throw it far enough... | 10:03 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: :P | 10:06 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: mine cannot be carried on a plane for sure, but it can be easily moved | 10:06 |
SfietKonstantinW | mini itx format ftw | 10:06 |
Nicd- | for some definitions of "easily" | 10:06 |
ggabriel | the diesel generator is the problem | 10:06 |
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SfietKonstantinW | did anyone tried the X1carbon ? | 10:07 |
Ezko | my desktop was around 1500e 3,5 years ago and i think you can only barely get a laptop with equal performance now | 10:07 |
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SfietKonstantinW | I really wonder if it is light or not ? | 10:07 |
Nicd- | Ezko: that's because laptops are not desktops | 10:07 |
Nicd- | and they're not meant to be | 10:07 |
SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: well, for some usage, your laptop have to behave like a desktop (ie: give some raw power) | 10:08 |
SfietKonstantinW | when you a re a dev on the go | 10:08 |
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Nicd- | well, then it's a choice of doing with some power or not doing it at all | 10:09 |
ggabriel | i think the issue right now is that we used to have X amount of power on a laptop and now we have a decreasing function of X | 10:10 |
ggabriel | so we're going backwards for the sake of something else | 10:10 |
ggabriel | ok, 20h of battery is nice, but you could do 4-20h of battery depending on power needs | 10:10 |
Nicd- | power on a laptop is decreasing? | 10:10 |
ggabriel | yes | 10:10 |
ggabriel | lenovo x230=up to 16gb ram | 10:10 |
ggabriel | lenovo x240=up to 8gb ram | 10:10 |
ggabriel | well, s/power/capabilities/ | 10:10 |
ggabriel | but in general more memory gives you more power | 10:11 |
Nicd- | judging the whole market based on a couple of lenovo models? | 10:11 |
ggabriel | well, which other laptop is as tough, small, portable and powerful? | 10:11 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: cpu power is important too | 10:11 |
SfietKonstantinW | but I do think that even if the X250 have a mobile core, it has much more power compared to the X201 | 10:12 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: yeah, cpu power is the only thing that increases | 10:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | that is quite decent, even today | 10:12 |
TemeV | I'm also havin my Macbook for sixth year now, still working like new | 10:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: yeah, but the pb of laptops is that, at the end, you only have the lenovos ... | 10:12 |
TemeV | well.. I had to buy new battery though | 10:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | (at least for some people, who need kbd, clitomouse and toughness etc.) | 10:12 |
TemeV | I would have bought a new laptop but there just isn't good ones atm | 10:13 |
TemeV | so I bought a new battery :) | 10:13 |
ggabriel | TemeV: i change batteries every year :P | 10:13 |
SfietKonstantinW | TemeV: apple often do a rather good job at doing a non-bloated OS that run on a quite large range of HW | 10:13 |
SfietKonstantinW | MS is doing a less good job | 10:13 |
Nicd- | ggabriel: early 2013 mbp had 8 gb max ram, after that 16 gb max ram. there, your theory was disproved with an example equally good :P | 10:13 |
SfietKonstantinW | but the worst are people doing DEs on Linux | 10:13 |
ggabriel | Nicd-: but we're in 2015 | 10:14 |
SfietKonstantinW | well, actually they do a good job, BUT they use tech that are not usually supported | 10:14 |
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ggabriel | and mbp's aren't good for me | 10:14 |
ggabriel | i break them too easily | 10:14 |
SfietKonstantinW | (opengl4.0 etc) | 10:14 |
SfietKonstantinW | it is mbp's kbd that is an issue | 10:14 |
Nicd- | ggabriel: ah so we're not talking about the market in general, we're just talking about your little bubble | 10:14 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: my mac mini's performance increased substantially when i put linux on it | 10:14 |
ggabriel | Nicd-: i'm talking perf, toughness | 10:14 |
ggabriel | mbp's are bad at the latter | 10:15 |
Nicd- | but you said power is decreasing | 10:15 |
ggabriel | i did say that powerbooks used to be very good and then they decreased the quality | 10:15 |
Nicd- | when it's not | 10:15 |
Nicd- | try to be consistent | 10:15 |
ggabriel | the ni corrected myself and said that "well, not poewr exactly" | 10:15 |
ggabriel | i have, read above | 10:15 |
ggabriel | we're chatting anyway :) | 10:15 |
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ggabriel | i mean, the alienwares have a tremendous amount of power | 10:16 |
SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: to be consistant, I would say: power is decreasing for laptops, using intel core (especially at Lenovo) | 10:16 |
SfietKonstantinW | :) | 10:16 |
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ggabriel | (and so some acers, or gaming laptops in general" | 10:16 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: I would say that alienwares cannot really be called laptops | 10:16 |
Nicd- | SfietKonstantinW: mbps are using intel core and their power is increasing with each model | 10:16 |
SfietKonstantinW | they are more like "lapovens" | 10:16 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: lol, they sell them to you with a special backpack too | 10:17 |
SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: Intel have a tencendy of segregating their cores with desktop & mobile core | 10:17 |
SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: don't know if Mac is using the former or the latter | 10:17 |
SfietKonstantinW | if the former, it is normal | 10:17 |
SfietKonstantinW | but other OEMs have a tendency of using the latte one | 10:17 |
SfietKonstantinW | especially when they build their ultrabook lineup ... | 10:17 |
Nicd- | seems to be this on mine: http://ark.intel.com/products/83504/Intel-Core-i7-4870HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz | 10:18 |
ggabriel | there are other aspects too | 10:19 |
ggabriel | with lenovo or dell for example you can buy support and you get a dude next day at your house/office changing [whatever breaks] | 10:19 |
ggabriel | apple doesn't allow that | 10:19 |
pp | MBP did 16GB before 2013, just not officially | 10:19 |
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tigeli | why haven't you updated already? | 10:21 |
Nicd- | who? | 10:22 |
tigeli | :D | 10:22 |
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HtheB | :( | 10:22 |
Nicd- | opt-in update? | 10:22 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: they do: the support is great | 10:22 |
HtheB | we........need...........update.................... | 10:22 |
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tigeli | Nicd-: check together ;) | 10:23 |
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Scelt | booyah | 10:24 |
Scelt | updateupdateupdate | 10:24 |
pp | release notes are out! | 10:24 |
Scelt | MSUHROOOOOM | 10:24 |
pp | update is out! | 10:24 |
politie | i need them to send me the phone 😐 | 10:24 |
* SfietKonstantinW want tablet | 10:25 | |
* SfietKonstantinW want update | 10:25 | |
* SfietKonstantinW want tohkbd | 10:25 | |
Nicd- | wants* | 10:25 |
SfietKonstantinW | so many stuff to wait | 10:25 |
* SfietKonstantinW wants too | 10:25 | |
HtheB | woohooo! | 10:25 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: re tablet https://gagv.org.uk/jollatablet.html | 10:26 |
SfietKonstantinW | anyway, 2015 will be great :) | 10:26 |
HtheB | UPDATE!!! | 10:26 |
Nicd- | tigeli: how long does the early access checkbox take to activate? | 10:26 |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: :) | 10:26 |
* HtheB goes wild | 10:26 | |
* pp downloads furiously | 10:26 | |
SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: why 101 day ? | 10:26 |
SfietKonstantinW | :( | 10:26 |
tigeli | Nicd-: can't remember the exact sync schedule.. ~20mins? | 10:26 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: i have no clue | 10:26 |
pp | It also contains a fix for an issue in SailfishOS, details will be disclosed after rolling out this update to everyone. | 10:26 |
ggabriel | i did that last year | 10:26 |
ggabriel | didn't they say may or sometihng? | 10:26 |
ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: yeah, end of may | 10:27 |
tadzik | hmmmm, I have 2 IM accounts online, but only one of them shows a green light in "Show presence settings" | 10:27 |
ggabriel | well, i put end of may | 10:27 |
tadzik | known? | 10:27 |
tigeli | tadzik: yes | 10:27 |
tadzik | alright | 10:27 |
tigeli | tadzik: try setting away and then online.. :) | 10:28 |
tadzik | heh, sometimes even none of them show as online, but people are online in People :P | 10:29 |
pp | installing! | 10:29 |
ggabriel | pp: nice :) how large the download out of interest? | 10:30 |
tadzik | update? Early access, or regular one? | 10:30 |
Scelt | tadzik: EA | 10:30 |
pp | I think it said 385Mish | 10:30 |
tadzik | eh | 10:30 |
Nicd- | 189.7 MB for me | 10:31 |
ggabriel | not too bad | 10:31 |
* Nicd- does the update dance | 10:31 | |
HtheB | EA - Electronic Arts | 10:31 |
pp | ok, remembering wrong :-) | 10:31 |
ggabriel | considering tehy're changing a lot of binaries | 10:31 |
tigeli | tadzik: also known | 10:31 |
tigeli | tadzik: it's somesort of logic issue | 10:31 |
HtheB | tigeli: lets see what the aliendalvik does with the wifi now | 10:32 |
tigeli | HtheB: :) | 10:32 |
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tigeli | also.. the connection dialog behaves now correctly and does not popup all the time when offline etc | 10:32 |
tadzik | oh, hehe | 10:33 |
tadzik | "Also read the early release program details here" | 10:33 |
HtheB | yaaay! | 10:33 |
tadzik | here is in white font on white-ish-blue background | 10:33 |
tadzik | the classic "we remember to hardcode the background colour but forgot to hardcode font colour" | 10:33 |
SfietKonstantinW | may is soo ! | 10:34 |
SfietKonstantinW | ok 3 month = 100 day :/ | 10:34 |
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anYc | every 10s ... ;) | 10:34 |
anYc | I wonder what kind of events are of interest in a weather application | 10:36 |
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anYc | or does this mean the weather forecast popups up in the event screen? | 10:37 |
anYc | well, I will find it out soon | 10:37 |
Nicd- | whoa, in the backup dialog when it's doing the backup | 10:37 |
pp | probably it doesn't do it but say "it's slippery today!" | 10:37 |
Nicd- | you can click to deactivate the "sections" | 10:37 |
pp | or "It'll rain like hell at 2pm" | 10:37 |
pp | say stuff that goes into http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/warnings | 10:38 |
pp | you can actually sign up for "it's slippery today" sms's in (some cities of) .fi :-) | 10:40 |
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anYc | okay, the update manager says it's a weather widget | 10:41 |
pp | yup, seems to do the trick (adds the local weather to the notification thingy) | 10:42 |
tadzik | yay, upgrading from "yararampi" to "yayalampi", awesome :) | 10:45 |
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pp | could be that it feels choppy (especially android stuff), but this is just a subjective first impression thingy looking for regressions ;) | 10:47 |
xfade_ | pp: it is dexopting at first probably. | 10:47 |
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pp | no longer, dunno if it feels choppy anymore or not tho :-) | 10:52 |
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HtheB | you know what i never understand? | 10:54 |
HtheB | if I can peek the time by swiping from the app, why cant we see the date aswell!? :/ | 10:55 |
HtheB | I have to go to the lockscreen to see the date... :/ | 10:55 |
Mikaela | early access finally appeared! :D | 10:56 |
Mikaela | I see it in RSS feed from together | 10:56 |
pp | browser ui seems nice | 10:56 |
Nicd- | tigeli: is it possible to reset the color of an ambience once customized? | 10:57 |
Mikaela | oh, it wasn't together | 10:58 |
* Mikaela started downloading upgrade without noticing that she leaves in two minutes, but maybe it will still work | 10:59 | |
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tigeli | Nicd-: by uninstall/reinstall of the ambience | 11:00 |
Nicd- | ok, shame about that | 11:00 |
Nicd- | though it's not a big problem | 11:00 |
flux | does the new update come with the gstreamed aacp-module? | 11:02 |
flux | and/or does it fix the android audio :) | 11:02 |
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Nicd- | how often is weather updated? | 11:04 |
Nicd- | the app is really cool, +1! | 11:04 |
Nicd- | I think you just made meecast redundant :) at least for me | 11:05 |
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Scelt | I miss the "feel likes" from the weather apps | 11:06 |
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Scelt | I guess Foreca android app has it but not seen anywhere else | 11:06 |
Scelt | when there is wind of 10 m/s, -3 C feels more like -10 C | 11:07 |
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politie | theres weather on the lock screen now?\ | 11:08 |
Nicd- | politie: where? | 11:08 |
politie | oh no i thought thats what you guys were talking about | 11:08 |
Nicd- | it's in the events view | 11:08 |
politie | ooh ok | 11:09 |
politie | nice nice | 11:09 |
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tadzik | oh, and now the bullshit of trying to reapply patches *after* the update :| | 11:16 |
TemeV | yeah, me too once again forgot to diable patches before update | 11:17 |
TemeV | *disable | 11:17 |
sqozz | tadzik: which patches? | 11:17 |
tadzik | sqozz: eventsview settings controls | 11:19 |
Mikaela | and now it's upgrading itself | 11:21 |
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Mirv | good job on Yliaavanlampi, everyone. it rocks! | 11:31 |
Nicd- | +1! | 11:32 |
* Mikaela is waiting for that bar to finish as her captive portal issue is advertised as fixed on that | 11:32 | |
TemeV | Is it just be, or does the ui feel more responsive? | 11:33 |
TemeV | *just me | 11:33 |
Mikaela | rebooting apparently | 11:33 |
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till_ | still doing backup.... | 11:35 |
Mikaela | I somehow skipped backup by accident | 11:35 |
till_ | i'm doing manual backup :) tar-ing /home/nemo | 11:36 |
Mikaela | ah | 11:36 |
pp | TemeV: felt less here, but it's subjective. And after a few mins of running (probably was doing background aliendalvik stuff) it's ok | 11:36 |
tadzik | I wonder if here can now keep track of me without running a native Maps in the background | 11:37 |
tadzik | I mean, Android Here | 11:37 |
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Mikaela | I seem to be unable to re-enable one network that is not here | 11:37 |
pp | Here works here ;) | 11:38 |
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Mirv | comgrats on digging your way out of the "memory grave" :) | 11:38 |
Nicd- | let's hope it works better now | 11:39 |
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Nicd- | heh, lost all mobile connections and thought shit, now they broke it in the update | 11:40 |
Nicd- | but actually DNA just died in tampere | 11:40 |
Nicd- | at least hervanta | 11:41 |
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Stskeeps | Nicd-: conspiracy | 11:41 |
Acce | Nicd-: good to know.. I thought it was the phone and was about to go nuts :D | 11:42 |
Nicd- | who was phone | 11:42 |
Ezko | Nicd-: they're having a lot of problems these past few days haven't they | 11:42 |
Nicd- | Acce: heh | 11:42 |
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inffy | does the new Sailfishos update (early access) have any new exchange policies supported? | 11:47 |
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anYc | https://together.jolla.com/question/82037/release-notes-upgrade-112-yliaavanlampi-early-access/ | 11:53 |
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Mikaela | no issues with TeleFinland @ Hamina | 11:57 |
Mikaela | "If your device is running software version lower than 1.0.4.20 and have WareHouse app installed (i.e you are using OpenRepos), disable all openrepo repositories before attempting to upgrade your device." | 11:58 |
Mikaela | I didn't notice this part, but seems to work anyway, I just started upgrading when I saw the title of it being released | 11:58 |
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jaacoppi | to anyone working for Jolla: https://jolla.com/updates has not been updated in a few months, I think you should | 12:07 |
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Nicd- | Mikaela: well you probably had a newer version installed anyway | 12:17 |
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dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer and other http://pastebin.com/WdmDj1Lt | 13:01 |
dr_gogeta86 | while updating | 13:02 |
phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: is there some slowpath in there before? | 13:02 |
phdeswer | As that would just be telling about something taking a lot of time to do IO | 13:02 |
dr_gogeta86 | a bit scaring | 13:03 |
dr_gogeta86 | Feb 19 14:03:13 Jolla kernel: VFS: do_fsync_timeout pid:7443(rpm)(parent:7229/PK-Backend) fsync /var/lib/rpm/Dirnames. | 13:03 |
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phdeswer | yep that's the one. | 13:04 |
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phdeswer | You can ignore it, but looks scary indeed. Just means btrfs is synching quite some data (and taking lots of time to do so) | 13:04 |
Yaniel | awww I missed the update launch | 13:06 |
ejjoman | since when gets the cover of an app cleared, when one swipes to close an app? | 13:07 |
tadzik | since I remember :o | 13:08 |
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tadzik | well, sometimes it does anyway | 13:10 |
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ejjoman | never noticed this, before this update :D | 13:15 |
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Mikaela | no together question on dnscrypt :O | 13:17 |
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anandrkris | Hi - One doubt on browser home page | 13:31 |
anandrkris | Can i switch to home page from any tab in browser? or only time it comes into play is when i had exit browser after closing all tabs? | 13:32 |
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tadzik | what do you mean by the browser home page? | 13:35 |
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tadzik | jolla.com for me, not sure if I can even change it :) | 13:35 |
Nicd- | tadzik: settings -> apps -> browser | 13:37 |
Tofe | The update preview seems to work well here, nothing to report so far | 13:38 |
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dr_gogeta86 | i didn't stressed for now but seems a bit more fluid then before | 13:38 |
tadzik | Nicd-: wow, super weird | 13:38 |
Tofe | Is the new meteo app source code available ? It would be interesting to see how the integration in the events view was done | 13:39 |
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tadzik | I tried putting 'about:blank' in there.... and it disappears when I type the final 'k' | 13:39 |
tadzik | wtf | 13:39 |
Nicd- | you can just leave it empty | 13:39 |
anandrkris | tadzik: Home page set in Settings | 13:39 |
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anandrkris | say Gmail.com...i cant access it if it was closed with some other page open | 13:40 |
anandrkris | unless it is a favorite | 13:40 |
dr_gogeta86 | VDVsx, imap sync planning is broken | 13:41 |
anandrkris | Homepage icon to be added along with favs in new tab screen? | 13:41 |
VDVsx | dr_gogeta86, what's sync planning ? | 13:42 |
dr_gogeta86 | I got two options for email account | 13:42 |
dr_gogeta86 | Email Sync | 13:42 |
dr_gogeta86 | and Content sync | 13:42 |
VDVsx | that's normal for gmail accounts | 13:43 |
dr_gogeta86 | plain imap | 13:43 |
dr_gogeta86 | closing settings and reopening did the job | 13:43 |
* dr_gogeta86 worksforme | 13:43 | |
VDVsx | dr_gogeta86, well, the code is not even the same | 13:44 |
VDVsx | i.e those settings do not exist in that qml file | 13:44 |
VDVsx | bit strange | 13:44 |
dr_gogeta86 | imap push ? | 13:45 |
Yaniel | the new browser is nice | 13:46 |
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VDVsx | dr_gogeta86, not in that update, most likely in next if not major problems found | 13:47 |
dr_gogeta86 | too oldschool ? | 13:47 |
VDVsx | well it works on that already if you enable manually, but some things are not fully implemented there | 13:47 |
entil | there's a new browser? :O | 13:47 |
Nicd- | new browser UI | 13:47 |
Nicd- | and yes, it's much better | 13:48 |
entil | that might be reason enough to opt in :D | 13:48 |
Yaniel | the downloads icon is wrong though | 13:48 |
cvp_ | its very nice the browser | 13:48 |
Yaniel | it should use the same icon as in settings, where it takes you anyway | 13:48 |
Yaniel | instead of the cellular icon | 13:48 |
cvp_ | + coderus patch "select text" and its very nice :) | 13:48 |
Yaniel | actually atm downloads uses the cellular data icon and share uses the downloads icon | 13:48 |
Yaniel | pls | 13:49 |
entil | I haven't tried any of the patches-patches... or editing qml by hand | 13:49 |
entil | select text sounds like it'll hopefully be merged someday into the browser | 13:49 |
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coderus | HtheB: pong :D | 13:57 |
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henk | hi | 14:01 |
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entil | coderus: don't hate me for asking :D does powermenu alter qml files so that opting in to the new update might cause conflicts? | 14:02 |
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stephg | \o/ update :) | 14:06 |
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henk | Is there a webinterface to the app store? | 14:17 |
faenil | nope | 14:17 |
entil | lulz, opted in to the early releases program - phone says it's up to date, guess it takes a while | 14:17 |
stephg | entil: are you a first-one? | 14:17 |
entil | stephg: I opted in at accounts.jolla.com - does that count? | 14:18 |
entil | account* even | 14:18 |
henk | ok, thanks | 14:18 |
stephg | entil: no I mean, are you also one of the first 450 customers; they used to get other updates before everyone else and maybe that rule is also inplace for the optin | 14:19 |
Nicd- | entil: takes around 20 minutes | 14:19 |
entil | Nicd-: sweet | 14:19 |
entil | stephg: I'm not :( | 14:19 |
entil | or maybe I am, I can't remember. I preordered the damned thing, but didn't get invited to the party | 14:19 |
stephg | ooh I wonder if the weather app will let us know how many people opted in for updates :) | 14:20 |
entil | so I'm one of the guys who preordered but didn't keep track of privileges since :D but no, never got an early access to updates ;P | 14:20 |
stephg | well if you opted in it'll come soon enough | 14:20 |
coderus | HtheB: ? | 14:20 |
entil | it came now! zomgs! | 14:20 |
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anandrkris | henk - https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ you could vote here :) | 14:28 |
anandrkris | i opted in just half an hour ago and i can see the update | 14:29 |
entil | myeah, it's downloading for me now | 14:29 |
henk | anandrkris: thanks | 14:30 |
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coderus | entil: update don't care if you modifyed anything | 14:36 |
coderus | it just overwrites everything | 14:36 |
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entil | great! so the worst-case scenario is reinstalling an app | 14:38 |
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Sail0r | Aard: how fast do people now opt-in ? ^^ | 14:40 |
coderus | entil: yes you need to reinstall powermenu after each update | 14:40 |
entil | sure | 14:41 |
entil | I was just scared of rpm dying in the background somewhere ;P | 14:42 |
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tigeli | Sail0r: ~20min | 14:46 |
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HtheB | hi coderus | 14:52 |
HtheB | i was afk :p | 14:52 |
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HtheB | Ive noticed that after you changed some stuff, my wireless connection acts weird. I dont know if it even have to do anything with it though | 14:53 |
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anYc | update looks good, thanks! | 15:02 |
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ejjoman | i wonder if activesync gets fixed anytime in this century? | 15:04 |
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coderus | HtheB: just update to u11, it will revert everything | 15:08 |
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HtheB | hmmm | 15:08 |
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HtheB | then it is not the reason | 15:08 |
HtheB | I have some real issues with my wireless :/ | 15:08 |
HtheB | like for instance: I can't use Viber using WiFi | 15:09 |
HtheB | or Download apps on Play Store using wifi | 15:09 |
HtheB | but it works using Mobile Data | 15:09 |
coderus | maybe its alien problem? | 15:09 |
tigeli | HtheB: not even with the new update? | 15:10 |
HtheB | i thought that too, but it worked before O_o | 15:10 |
coderus | HtheB: so, you on u11 or not? | 15:10 |
HtheB | tigeli: nope, still same problem :( | 15:10 |
tigeli | HtheB: you could try reinstalling aliendalvik.. | 15:10 |
HtheB | yes, got the early access | 15:10 |
HtheB | pkcon install aliendalvik ? | 15:10 |
tigeli | HtheB: can't really say what's the problem without deeper inspection of the phone | 15:10 |
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HtheB | tigeli: be my guest :) coderus already done some stuff on my phone before :P you can inspect too :D | 15:11 |
coderus | remove aliendalvik, rm -rf /opt/alien install aliendalvik | 15:11 |
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HtheB | coderus: wouldn't that remove my other stuff of android apps? | 15:12 |
HtheB | (i dont know exactly how the structure is on alien) | 15:12 |
entil | ooh, the new browser ui is really good | 15:12 |
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coderus | HtheB: no, your android apps stuff ins under /data | 15:14 |
HtheB | ah ok | 15:15 |
stephg | omg tabs behave properly now *heart* | 15:15 |
coderus | HtheB: but i really don't know if it will be reused or owerwritten | 15:15 |
HtheB | coderus: Maybe I should wait untill tigeli has inspected it. To prevent this bug happening in the future | 15:16 |
entil | stephg: you can see and affect your current url without going through the tabs first! | 15:18 |
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coderus | and new browser works x100 better with more search engines: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/search-engines-sailfish-browser | 15:21 |
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HtheB | the person who made the first browser UI should be punished | 15:23 |
HtheB | finally some good UI for a browser | 15:23 |
HtheB | a bit late in my opinion, since we already have WebPirate and WebCat | 15:24 |
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tiwake | I kind of want majestic12 to hurry up and make their search engine thing | 15:24 |
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tiwake | http://www.majestic12.co.uk/ | 15:25 |
entil | "In UFO conspiracy theories, Majestic 12 (or MJ-12) is the code name of an alleged secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials, formed in 1947 by an executive order by U.S. President Harry S. Truman to facilitate recovery and investigation of alien spacecraft." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12 | 15:26 |
entil | apparently it's also something else | 15:26 |
tiwake | yeah | 15:26 |
tiwake | no idea why they wanted to call it majestic12... kinda weird considering what that name was used for before | 15:28 |
stephg | all I need now entil is open new tab in background and I'm all set :) | 15:28 |
entil | I used to be neck-deep in UFO stuff as a kid so I'm kinda disappointed they took that name :( | 15:28 |
entil | we have duckduckgo, couldn't they have called it *uck-the-nsa or something | 15:29 |
entil | (that's a d there) | 15:29 |
tiwake | ha | 15:29 |
tiwake | that would have been fantastic | 15:29 |
Nicd- | Majestic 12 only reminds me of Deus Ex | 15:30 |
entil | never played it, but I've rewatched dark skies a bunch of times ;P | 15:30 |
tiwake | deus ex is a fantastic game | 15:31 |
tiwake | the first one anyway | 15:31 |
tiwake | second one is kinda meh, based on the 5min I played it... most recent one I havent played | 15:31 |
Nicd- | entil: you should. the first one that is | 15:32 |
Nicd- | I recently played it in pacifist mode | 15:32 |
Nicd- | that was a fun challenge | 15:32 |
tiwake | heh | 15:32 |
tiwake | I have a feeling that when majestic12 does become a search engine, it will be very good | 15:33 |
tiwake | a little over 10 years ago when it started | 15:35 |
tiwake | http://www.majestic12.co.uk/about.php | 15:35 |
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tiwake | lol... " | 15:36 |
tiwake | P.S. On the photo above you can see Alex Chudnovsky, the founder of the UK's division of Majestic-12, during training session with majestic squirrels (the greys) at undisclosed location." | 15:36 |
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entil | http://i.imgur.com/k3F8jQe.png the only conspiracy/alien picture that matters | 15:38 |
entil | if that doesn't make you a believer, nothing will | 15:38 |
Nicd- | believer in what? | 15:39 |
entil | conspiracies and aliens of course | 15:39 |
ggabriel | what/who is the left hand side one? spiderman? | 15:40 |
entil | reptilian alien | 15:41 |
tiwake | its the lizard people | 15:43 |
tiwake | they are out to get everyone | 15:44 |
ggabriel | so, spiderman should be behind the lizard with a photo of mary jane? | 15:44 |
stephg | o/ ggabriel | 15:45 |
entil | the reptilians are swayed by no-one! | 15:45 |
ggabriel | \o stephg | 15:45 |
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Lieke | ggabriel: http://www.jollausers.com/2015/02/update-11-visual-presentation-picture-gallery/ | 15:47 |
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meklu|fdf | I just signed up for the early access release by checking the checkbox and saving a few times | 15:49 |
meklu|fdf | it's not showing the update yet though | 15:49 |
xfade_ | meklu|fdf: wait some 20 minutes. | 15:49 |
meklu|fdf | will do | 15:50 |
xfade_ | It takes a while for it be synced | 15:50 |
tadzik | yeah, it took 10-15 for me | 15:53 |
meklu|fdf | showed up now | 15:53 |
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stephg | so here's a question | 16:33 |
stephg | I can't seem to be able to set an ambience as a favourite | 16:34 |
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stephg | nope, I'm blind | 16:34 |
stephg | ignore me | 16:34 |
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entil | the upgrade deleted my gallery :O | 16:36 |
entil | everything that's not the jolla stock photos | 16:36 |
stephg | entil: they're probably there but your tracker DB may be messed up | 16:36 |
ggabriel | Lieke: ta | 16:37 |
entil | stephg: I went into joe q average user mode, ie. I panicked a bit and restored my backup of them | 16:37 |
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entil | there are two other things as well: 1) typing an sms, a smiley at the line break is not a word, it's :\n) which I'm sure it wasn't before and 2) entering the weather app through the notification screen leaves the semi-opaque overlay on | 16:38 |
entil | I'll see if these are on tjc a bit later, but just to get them flushed out ther | 16:38 |
entil | +e | 16:38 |
louisdk | If I choose to opt in and install update 11 should I first uninstall sailfish browser nightly installed from https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishbrowsernightly/sailfish-browser-nightly? | 16:39 |
PeperJohnny | At least the thing with the smiley is normal afair | 16:39 |
PeperJohnny | i had for a long time i think | 16:39 |
entil | I'm almost sure the smiley thing used to be a word | 16:39 |
PeperJohnny | Oh | 16:40 |
PeperJohnny | It's treated as a word now | 16:40 |
entil | anyone who hasn't updated yet? wanna check that out before I make a fool of myself on tjc? | 16:40 |
ggabriel | entil: i haven't | 16:41 |
ggabriel | so you want me to send myself a text with :\n) and see if it comes as a smiley? | 16:41 |
ggabriel | or to send out a text? | 16:41 |
entil | ggabriel: no... when composing a message if you're in mid-smiley when the line breaks, does it push the : onto the next line or not? | 16:41 |
PeperJohnny | entil: for me it does so with todays update | 16:42 |
PeperJohnny | just tried it a minute ago | 16:42 |
ggabriel | entil: it pushes the : to the next line | 16:42 |
entil | this is weird, I can't reproduce it :O | 16:42 |
ggabriel | it fixes itself automatically | 16:43 |
ggabriel | new feature ;) | 16:43 |
entil | no, it's still ther | 16:43 |
entil | the smiley I used was :( | 16:43 |
entil | and that still gets split for me, how's it for you? | 16:43 |
ggabriel | i used :) | 16:43 |
ggabriel | wait | 16:43 |
entil | (I used it because I told a friend the new weather app isn't as good as meecast :|) | 16:44 |
PeperJohnny | :( isn't working | 16:44 |
PeperJohnny | ;) does however | 16:44 |
ggabriel | ok, :( doesn't work | 16:44 |
ggabriel | :) does | 16:44 |
entil | so it's not a new issue | 16:44 |
ggabriel | you're not allowed to be sad | 16:44 |
ggabriel | i think it's a feature | 16:45 |
PeperJohnny | With a Jolla you're always happy ;) | 16:45 |
entil | hehe | 16:45 |
ggabriel | if it detects that you aren't, it should spray some happy drug | 16:45 |
ggabriel | actually, i read that in a scifi novel | 16:46 |
virtuald | optimistjolle :) | 16:46 |
Stskeeps | ggabriel: cocaine TOH | 16:46 |
ggabriel | ummm does that really make you happy? :) | 16:46 |
PeperJohnny | ultimately maybe^^ | 16:46 |
virtuald | so, is the jolla tablet any good for hackers? | 16:46 |
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entil | i.minus.com/ibyLmqa6CmFAj7.gif toh looping that | 16:47 |
ggabriel | virtuald: we haven't seen it yet | 16:47 |
ggabriel | #soon | 16:47 |
entil | so very swedish | 16:47 |
virtuald | ok | 16:47 |
virtuald | does it have a date set? | 16:47 |
ggabriel | may/2015 | 16:47 |
HarhaanJohtaja | when I am using the browser in landscape and access the eventsview and then close the eventsview with swipe from the bottom then browser is briefly in portrait | 16:48 |
HarhaanJohtaja | is it just me or does everybody have it? | 16:48 |
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PeperJohnny | HarhaanJohtaja: I have this one as well | 16:48 |
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entil | Stskeeps: where should I comment on the weather-app-through-notifications bug? a new question on tjc or https://together.jolla.com/question/82037/release-notes-upgrade-112-yliaavanlampi-early-access/ or what? | 16:49 |
Price15x | Excuse me. I accidentally locked my SIM card on my Jolla | 16:49 |
Price15x | Can someone please help? | 16:49 |
Stskeeps | Price15x: doesn't it ask for a PUK code? | 16:50 |
Price15x | yes but I am not sure what that is | 16:50 |
Stskeeps | you should know that from when you got your sim, i believe | 16:50 |
chem|st | Price15x: that is written on you operator SIM credentials | 16:50 |
Stskeeps | some operators allow to ask them what it was | 16:51 |
Price15x | well there are some numbers on my sim card | 16:51 |
chem|st | Price15x: there is PIN1 PIN2 and if you lock those you need to enter PUK1 PUK2 accordingly, if you lock those (10inputs usually) you need a new SIM | 16:52 |
chem|st | Price15x: the codes are not written on the SIM | 16:52 |
chem|st | that would be stupid... the Box or the Card or the Letter where you got your SIM | 16:52 |
chem|st | has those 4 codes | 16:53 |
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chem|st | usually masked with a scratch-field sticker (scratch with a coin patches) | 16:54 |
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entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/82183/bug-weather-in-yliaavanlampi-11215-early-access/ made a new one to get it out of my head | 16:55 |
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entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/82185/bug-gallery-emptied-upgrading-to-yliaavanlampi-early-access/ | 16:57 |
entil | and food -> | 16:57 |
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Price15x | chem|st: Thank you very much. I requested the PUK from my service provider and managed to unlock the device | 17:10 |
chem|st | you are welcome | 17:10 |
chem|st | entil: how may I reproduce that weather thing? | 17:11 |
PeperJohnny | chem|st: open it from eventsview | 17:11 |
chem|st | PeperJohnny: that opens weather... just like it should | 17:11 |
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PeperJohnny | yeah now close it and reopen it the normal way | 17:12 |
PeperJohnny | the background will be different | 17:12 |
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kimmoli | the app and eventsview are different? | 17:13 |
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kimmoli | app starts from eventsview pulldown too | 17:13 |
PeperJohnny | if you open it from eventsview it will have the same background as eventsview | 17:13 |
PeperJohnny | else it will have the "normal" background as every other app | 17:13 |
chem|st | it is an eventsview page... | 17:14 |
kimmoli | no | 17:14 |
kimmoli | and app is app | 17:14 |
PeperJohnny | yeah i guessed it was working as intended | 17:14 |
chem|st | it is supposed to be the same as eventsview | 17:14 |
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r0kk3rz | yaaay update | 17:52 |
Sail0r | late :P | 17:54 |
Sail0r | automatic connection switching seems buggy | 17:55 |
Mikaela | I only noticed that the captive portal thing didn't give me so much browser popups | 17:56 |
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omicron23 | Hi there, is it possible to Browser the jolla store for jolla apps without requiring a sailfish phone? I want to get an overview on what is available there... | 17:58 |
Mikaela | no, there is feature request though, moment | 17:59 |
Sail0r | anyone https://together.jolla.com/question/82201/bug-automatic-connection-switching-in-yliaavanlampi-11215-early-access/ ? | 17:59 |
Mikaela | omicron23: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ | 17:59 |
omicron23 | OK thanks. | 18:00 |
Mikaela | worked for me | 18:00 |
Mikaela | you're welcome | 18:00 |
PeperJohnny | Sail0r: I have no 4g for testing. But going from 3g to wifi works here without me doing anything | 18:01 |
r0kk3rz | omicron23: you dont need a browser to tell you whats in harbour | 18:01 |
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Sail0r | hm does not work here | 18:02 |
Sail0r | it seems like it's even not scanning | 18:02 |
omicron23 | r0kk3rz: well that was auto correction on Android Messing up "browse" ...;-) | 18:03 |
r0kk3rz | hah | 18:03 |
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omicron23 | I just wanted to have a look around the available apps before deciding to buy a jolla.. | 18:04 |
r0kk3rz | i was more meaning that there isnt much in harbour | 18:04 |
r0kk3rz | if anything openrepos.net is a better indication of whats available | 18:04 |
omicron23 | r0kk3rz: oh, i will have a look..thx! | 18:05 |
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tadzik | well, there's not that much on openrepos either ;p | 18:05 |
r0kk3rz | omicron23: but you can use any android app you want, with certain limitations | 18:05 |
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r0kk3rz | tadzik: theres not much anywhere | 18:07 |
tadzik | yes | 18:07 |
omicron23 | Dunno if thats the right place to ask : buy a jolla now vor wait until after mwc and maybe get a successor? Lately I was thinking jolla is cleaning up the stock (special offers and so on..) | 18:08 |
Sail0r | it looks like it tried it | 18:08 |
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Sail0r | and never got associated | 18:08 |
Sail0r | and then gave up | 18:08 |
r0kk3rz | omicron23: given that MWC is in a couple of weeks, probably worth waiting | 18:09 |
r0kk3rz | and by all accounts theres a bit of a wait on jolla phones | 18:09 |
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kro | omicron23: I guess it also depends on your budget - get an older Jolla now for ~200 EUR, or get a new one (if there will be a new one at all) for probably more around 400-ish or even more | 18:12 |
omicron23 | kro: yeah I know.. But the last phone I bought was the n900 and then I was lucky to win a N9. So I would be OK with spending a bit more if that means more recent Hardware.. | 18:14 |
omicron23 | And I have to say I enjoy the N9 quite a bit...but it is getting slow...especially Ehen concerning emails. Bzw. How is the performance oft jolla concerning emails? Compared to a current Android vor ioios device? | 18:17 |
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r0kk3rz | emails work, not sure what you mean by 'performance' | 18:19 |
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Lucky_luke | i try update mazelock patch and give ne error nothing provides lipstick jolla home qt5 0.24.23.1 needed by sailfishos Mazelockpatch 00.12.1 | 18:22 |
entil | omicron23: my guess is they're not going to release a phone now - they're still in the startup phase and just raked in the cash to get a tablet out | 18:23 |
entil | don't take my word for it, but it would feel weird if they released something new | 18:23 |
entil | and somewhat unrelated, plz upvote this https://together.jolla.com/question/63384/browser-back-and-forward-page-lists-with-long-pressswipe-up/ :D I was about to crack a new with the very same thing when I found it, it'd be a great feature | 18:23 |
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kro | omicron23: I stood before the same decision, but I decided not to wait :) Btw, the sluggish mail thing on N9 gets better if you remove the account + mails, and re-create it... seems it wasn't thought for bigger IMAP boxes, once it has 5000..15000 mails it freezes for a couple seconds every time you open it or swtch to it :( | 18:24 |
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r0kk3rz | entil: it depends on who 'they' is, the announcement could be a third party manufacturer running sailfish | 18:24 |
entil | r0kk3rz: shit, bro, you're right | 18:24 |
entil | that *would* be great news | 18:24 |
r0kk3rz | indeed | 18:24 |
entil | then the question is, do you want tohkbd or not :D | 18:25 |
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r0kk3rz | but who knows really, you're unlikely to have a jolla shipped to you before MWC happens omicron23, so just wait and see | 18:27 |
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kro | r0kk3rz: min is in Fedex' hands... should arrive here tomorrow according to tracking | 18:29 |
ikarus | meh, I want a purple or atleast the pink or red TOH | 18:29 |
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omicron23 | r0kk3rz: ;-) i guess so...and meanwhile I will have a look at the SDK (10yrs+ c++/qt experience lingering here ;-) ) | 18:30 |
entil | the missus' jolla's in picking as well, should arrive soon | 18:30 |
r0kk3rz | omicron23: SDK is much what you'd expect really | 18:34 |
r0kk3rz | qtcreator | 18:34 |
r0kk3rz | and sailfish running in a vm | 18:34 |
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omicron23 | R0kk3rz: and sailfish qt quick components i guess? | 18:35 |
r0kk3rz | yeah, but not many | 18:35 |
r0kk3rz | and they just theme or extend base qtquick components | 18:36 |
r0kk3rz | nothing too radical | 18:36 |
omicron23 | OK, then it seems to be straight forward to create simple apps.. | 18:36 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah if you know Qt, then making a sailfishapp should be a piece of cake for you | 18:36 |
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omicron23 | :) nice... | 18:37 |
Lucky_luke | any help for me ? | 18:38 |
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omicron23 | Alright.cu guys. Will be back with a jolla or one oft its succesors in my pocket ;-) | 19:08 |
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Morpog_PC | so when is update 12 out? :D :D | 20:26 |
j-doge | it was just delayed | 20:27 |
j-doge | one day per somebody asking | 20:27 |
j-doge | (as has always been) | 20:27 |
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Stskeeps | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/ | 20:28 |
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_inte_ | hello jolla | 20:28 |
_inte_ | does the phone support 128gb sd cards | 20:28 |
_inte_ | given its formatted in e.g. extfs2 | 20:28 |
_inte_ | or btrfs | 20:28 |
Morpog_PC | i think so | 20:29 |
_inte_ | or sth.? | 20:29 |
_inte_ | just about to upgrade my 16gb | 20:29 |
_inte_ | anybody here who tried it out? | 20:29 |
Yaniel | 64GB works fine as btrfs and ext4 at least | 20:29 |
Morpog_PC | <-- 32gb fat32 :D | 20:29 |
_inte_ | yeah sure | 20:30 |
Stskeeps | ^ you guys will want to read the above url, then proceed to go crying under the nearest duvet | 20:30 |
_inte_ | i followed the discussion for the tablet :) | 20:30 |
Morpog_PC | I just read the summary on twitter and don't want to read furtehr :D | 20:30 |
_inte_ | far32 sucks anyway | 20:30 |
_inte_ | Morpog_PC: me too, actually i followed it on the news | 20:31 |
Acce | Stskeeps: good nights story? | 20:31 |
_inte_ | huge discussion on heise.de (german) | 20:31 |
Stskeeps | Acce: i'm going to be seeing nightmares. | 20:31 |
r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: :( | 20:31 |
_inte_ | anyways, do 128gb cards work in the phone when formatted properly? | 20:31 |
r0kk3rz | ffs, now we have to roll our own sim cards | 20:31 |
_inte_ | .oO(well i guess i could still use it in the tablet if it doesnt:-)) | 20:32 |
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_inte_ | found this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92490&page=6 | 20:34 |
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r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: Jolla to Jolla voice encryption? | 20:36 |
_inte_ | from what ive learnd 128gb cards should work fine in ext4 | 20:36 |
_inte_ | ill guess ill go for it if i dont get any warnings here...? :) | 20:37 |
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r0kk3rz | _inte_: do it, and report back | 20:38 |
_inte_ | yeah :) | 20:38 |
_inte_ | i only wonder if this is fake: http://www.ebay.de/itm/128GB-Micro-SD-Card-Adapter-NEU-fur-Samsung-Galaxy-Sony-GPS-MP3-Player-Polen-/111576852180?pt=DE_Computer_Speicherkartenadapter&hash=item19fa7fa6d4 | 20:41 |
_inte_ | pretty cheap | 20:41 |
Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: i'm just thinking 'fuck this, i'm becoming a farmer' at this point | 20:41 |
_inte_ | €20 | 20:41 |
Teemu | Stskeeps: nevermind, the spies are everywhere | 20:42 |
_inte_ | sometimes id also like to work outdoors in a somewhat rural area | 20:44 |
_inte_ | should be fun for sure | 20:45 |
_inte_ | at least to some extend | 20:45 |
Teemu | for that specific reason i decided to move out in the countryside | 20:45 |
Obi-Lan | they would still follow you with satellites | 20:47 |
_inte_ | and black helicopters | 20:47 |
Obi-Lan | btw lumia opens also with doubletap | 20:47 |
Teemu | if you have a suspiciously small digital signature, they'll get very specific in following what you do | 20:48 |
Teemu | a friend found this out in a not so nice series of events | 20:48 |
r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: good plan | 20:49 |
Teemu | some people i know do specifically for this very purpose put out quite large digital footprint so as to hide their more important acts in the sheer amount of noise | 20:49 |
r0kk3rz | Teemu: then it just becomes an IR problem | 20:50 |
ShadowJK | _inte_; that's too cheap | 20:50 |
Teemu | many tens of some photos a day, 4square always on etc | 20:50 |
Teemu | so much data that nobody will have the guts to sit through reading all that shit in order to find anything interesting | 20:51 |
Teemu | mostly anybodys life is pretty mundane | 20:51 |
Stskeeps | Teemu: or go for the wally method.. data that would blind anybody | 20:51 |
_inte_ | ShadowJK: I think so, but it is so... cheap :-) | 20:51 |
ShadowJK | Stskeeps; i thought sim encryption was brute forceable in minutes with a couple of dollars of AWS | 20:52 |
Teemu | thing is, if some entities really is dedicating effort into finding out things about _you_, they will do that somehow | 20:52 |
Stskeeps | ShadowJK: yeah.. but there's fun aspects to this too, like ability to load sim toolkit shit on to it.. | 20:52 |
Teemu | never mind hos encrypted you are and how well you care about putting on a very little footprint etc | 20:53 |
Teemu | s/hos/how/ | 20:53 |
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_inte_ | Teemu thats funny thats the way i use facebook | 20:57 |
_inte_ | as many friends as possible | 20:57 |
_inte_ | of course most of them i dont even know | 20:57 |
_inte_ | as many likes as possible | 20:57 |
_inte_ | simple klick on the recommedations every time you log in | 20:58 |
_inte_ | well | 20:58 |
_inte_ | facebook got you anyways as soon as you received an invitation | 20:58 |
_inte_ | so why not pretending to know everyone on the planet? | 20:58 |
Obi-Lan | and who you are misleading | 21:00 |
_inte_ | i dont know | 21:01 |
_inte_ | but i just dont feel well having only my close circle of friends (like 50) as friends on facebook | 21:01 |
_inte_ | maybe better to pretend knowing anybody | 21:02 |
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_inte_ | of course, i could just not use facebook at all | 21:02 |
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Teemu | i have never used facebook | 21:03 |
Teemu | my relatives tell me there's still a me in there | 21:03 |
_inte_ | hehe | 21:03 |
Acce | they keep marking you to their photos? | 21:03 |
_inte_ | well it useful sometimes | 21:03 |
_inte_ | especially when youve been traveling and you still have contact with people you met like 15y ago | 21:04 |
_inte_ | and you probably would never write an email | 21:04 |
Acce | it's useful in case I need to contact someone I contact only maybe once a year | 21:04 |
Acce | so I can keep them out of my phone | 21:04 |
_inte_ | Acce: you can disallow beeing marked in fotos | 21:04 |
_inte_ | i guess | 21:04 |
_inte_ | none of my friends has ever marked me yet | 21:04 |
Acce | _inte_: I guess that's progress then.. but if you're not in the fb, then you can't prevent them from writing your name, can you? :) | 21:05 |
_inte_ | whe sometimes make a fun of it and mark funny pics with friend names | 21:05 |
Teemu | thing is, i cannot disable that as i'm not using facebook | 21:05 |
_inte_ | Acce: exact | 21:05 |
Obi-Lan | nasty business | 21:05 |
_inte_ | Teemu: im not sure if you could be marked in that case | 21:05 |
_inte_ | however | 21:05 |
_inte_ | im not sure if people how are not in facebook can be marked at all | 21:06 |
ottulo_ | you can just write the name | 21:06 |
ottulo_ | it doesn't appear as a link, but is visible as usual | 21:06 |
_inte_ | ah ok | 21:07 |
_inte_ | i never use this feature, since my jolla doesnt support it | 21:07 |
_inte_ | :-) | 21:07 |
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_inte_ | i saw on my gfs android phone that it almost forces you to enter peoples names if the face recognition detects a face | 21:07 |
_inte_ | how anoying | 21:07 |
_inte_ | as if one doesnt know who is on the pic | 21:08 |
Acce | yeah, and the fb app bloats and bloats | 21:08 |
Acce | now they decided to split it into two pieces of bloat | 21:08 |
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Teemu | oh the feces and the box? | 21:09 |
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_inte_ | i dont know the fb app | 21:11 |
_inte_ | i use "friends":) | 21:11 |
_inte_ | and my gf doesnt use fb | 21:11 |
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Wnt | I'm again experiencing a problem where the store client doesn't list any updates available while "zypper list-updates" show a update being available for sailfish-maps: https://together.jolla.com/question/82273/yliaavanlampi-store-doesnt-offer-maps-update/ | 21:27 |
Aard | xfade_: ^^ | 21:27 |
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Wnt | Aard: xfade_ I can provide futher debugging information if that helps you guys | 21:28 |
Wnt | but that will happen tomorrow, now I'm off to bed! | 21:30 |
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coderus | Powermenu 2 - fancy menu and configuration for power key actions for #SailfishOS. | 21:32 |
coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/powermenu-2 | 21:32 |
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Morpog_PC | thx coderus works perfect | 21:57 |
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ahjolinna | coderus: any progress with f-secures search engine? | 22:02 |
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coderus | ahjolinna: what you mean? | 22:04 |
ahjolinna | coderus: https://openrepos.net/comment/6194#comment-6194 | 22:04 |
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coderus | ahjolinna: so, it just not working | 22:05 |
coderus | poke sailfish-browser devs | 22:05 |
ahjolinna | ok | 22:06 |
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pdanek | Is Toronto best city to work in IT? | 22:37 |
pdanek | :D | 22:37 |
klopsi-u3 | maybe minneapolis | 22:38 |
M4rtinK | Brno! :) | 22:38 |
pdanek | haha, Brno is good, but not so many IT opportunities | 22:39 |
pdanek | I mean, a lot comparing to size | 22:39 |
pdanek | and low salaries :( | 22:40 |
M4rtinK | well, it has the biggest Red Hat engineering office in the world ;-) | 22:45 |
pdanek | yeah, it does | 22:49 |
pdanek | still salaries are way too low | 22:49 |
pdanek | much higher salaries in Prague | 22:50 |
M4rtinK | I wouldn't say it is that bad | 22:50 |
pdanek | you can get really good freelance contracts in Prague | 22:50 |
M4rtinK | also Prague also has higher living costs | 22:50 |
pdanek | and I haven't seen much contract jobs in Brno | 22:50 |
M4rtinK | and I don't really like Prague personally :) | 22:50 |
M4rtinK | kinda too big & tourist oriented for my taste :) | 22:51 |
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r0kk3rz | stockholm maybe | 22:54 |
r0kk3rz | i hear the tech sector is doing quite well | 22:54 |
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