#jollamobile log for Friday, 2015-03-06

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pdanekchem|st: the convergence in the end wasn't bad00:07
HtheBguys, is it normal that the connection drops when phone is in idle state? :/00:09
HtheB(wifi connection)00:10
HtheBsomehow, the wifi connection gets lost when the phone is in idle state00:10
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HtheBno one?00:12
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tadzikI think it does that to save power00:40
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HtheBtadzik: isn't that bullshit when some app works on the background? :/00:58
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HtheBHarmattan had the option to allow connection on the background00:58
HtheBbecause the connection of Whatsup is getting lost when the phone is in idle state, this shouldn't be happen...00:58
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politieHtheB im having the same problem01:01
HtheBthis shouldn't be happening :/01:02
politieno01:02
politiefor now it seems pinging 127.0.0.1 every 60 seconds solves it01:02
pahartikHtheB: I am annoyed about IPv6 SSH connection dropping on Jolla Mobile when external power supply is not connected01:03
HtheBhttps://together.jolla.com/question/85364/option-to-keep-connections-alive-in-idle-state/01:06
HtheBpolitie: thats not how it should work :)01:06
HtheBpahartik: really? thats even more a shame :/ I never used ipv6 yet to be honest01:06
HtheBbut please vote up guys01:07
politieHtheB it certainly shouldnt01:07
joonahoiit doesn't disconnect if packets are being transferred01:07
joonahoibut when everything is peaceful & quiet the data will shut down to preserve battery01:08
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HtheByes, and when it's shut down, it wont work anymore with messenger apps ;)01:08
HtheBwhich is: a bug01:08
tadzikHtheB: but then it's not idle, is it? :)01:09
HtheBwhy cant we decide if we want to let it stay on or off in idle state? :)01:09
tadzikyeah, I know what you mean, it's quite undesirable01:09
HtheBhaving an option would have both parties happy01:09
HtheB:D so, vote up guys01:09
pahartikjoonahoi: Then I have to add some extra keepalive port forwarding to current HTTP and IRC connections...01:10
joonahoionly one is needed to prevent it from going idle01:11
joonahoibut it consumes a lot more battery power then01:11
pahartikjoonahoi: I think "aiccu" performs some ICMP action once per minute, but maybe that is not enough or appropriate kind of traffic to be considered "not idle"01:13
joonahoiyeah, i'm not sure what actually counts01:14
HtheBlike I said, if they just add this as an option, both parties would be happy01:15
HtheBso, vote up! :P01:15
HtheBhttps://together.jolla.com/question/85364/option-to-keep-connections-alive-in-idle-state/01:15
pahartikHtheB: I assume "wireless" in that document means "mobile network", "Bluetooth PAN" and "802.11"01:17
HtheBeverything :P01:18
HtheBmaybe I should write down01:18
HtheBto be honest, I was talking about wifi01:18
HtheBI haven't tested mobile data01:18
HtheBand come to think of it, my Pebble sometimes disconnects01:19
HtheBbecause it's not "used"01:19
HtheBso does the bluetooth also disables when it's in idle??01:19
pahartikHtheB: I only use "mobile network" and "Bluetooth PAN"01:19
HtheBi should ask CepiPerez about the whatsup01:20
HtheBthat is one of the reasons why we dont release it yet01:20
HtheBbefore we get angry users :P01:20
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HtheBpahartik: changed the text, please read01:22
pahartikHtheB: Well, I have noticed that when power cord is removed, workstation with IPv6 routing "Bluetooth PAN" through "Jolla Mobile" gets long delays on or just timing out on existing TCP connections01:22
HtheBfile a bug and i'll upvote01:23
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pahartikHtheB: Updated document acknowledged01:24
pahartikHtheB: "idle state" is annoying, and it only happens without external power supply01:26
HtheBVictorious says that it's working for him.. :/01:26
HtheBpahartik: up vote it then xD01:27
HtheBif you acknowledge it :D01:27
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pahartikHtheB: That site is not browser-friendly enough01:30
HtheBpahartik: what do you mean? what browser do you use?01:31
politieHtheB its only android apps that lose connection for me, you have native apps with the same problem?01:33
pahartikHtheB: Mostly "Lynx 2.8.8dev.12"01:33
HtheBpolitie: no, we're developing Whatsup, it's a native app01:34
HtheBpahartik: use your Jolla :p01:34
politiewhat kinda app are you developing if i may ask01:35
HtheBWhatsapp client01:37
HtheBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3XzCvTmlE01:39
politieoh thats looking great man01:42
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politiewhat about the banning whatsapp was doing?01:42
HtheBwe're using S40 protocol, untill now, no one got banned using our method01:42
HtheBwe are restricting stuff01:42
HtheBunlike other Whatsapp clients01:42
HtheB(like max. filesize of video file = 15mb)01:43
HtheBif you trepass things like that, whatsapp could figure it out01:43
HtheBotherwise, we're safe :)01:43
politieaswsome01:43
politiecant wait to try it01:44
politiegot notifications without the app running like email has?01:44
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HtheBit's still alpha, but when closing the window, the app closes :/01:47
HtheBand using a daemon, everytime when you re-open the app, it has to load all the contacts and conversations :/01:47
HtheBit's not the way we want...01:47
politieah either way looking forward to trying it out01:49
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HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=146291901:51
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politiewill be following02:06
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jarkko_HtheB: looks good so far, keep up the good work. The Android WA client is not all bad anymore but it's annoying that you have to have the app running all the time.06:53
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fluxwe shall see how long it takes till whatsup manages to stop that :)07:43
flux..apparently could take a while, as it's using an older S40 protocol07:48
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japa-fiAnyone found major issues with new OS update yet?07:54
Teemux-czkrmoziadkazior looks good07:54
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joonahoijapa-fi: nope, everything is nice and dandy, it got released to the larger public as well (that is: the opt-in testers didn't run in any kind of earth shattering problems)07:58
jarkko_In the People app, a contact has two email addresses. One I can edit, the other I can't. How can I edit (actually) delete the latter?07:59
japa-fijarkko_, open the contact, check the pulley if you can unlink07:59
* tbr would suspect a synced contact08:00
japa-fiI had something similar where there were two contacts linked as one. Don't recall the reason.08:00
japa-fiSimilar symptoms as yours08:00
jarkko_Under the former it says "Other * Email" and under the latter "Other * Email | Firstname Lastname"08:00
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jarkko_so the contact sync is one way only? I can't a edit a Google Contacts contact in my Jolla, meaning it won't sync to Google?08:02
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chriadamjarkko_: most likely a bug surfacing due to https://github.com/nemomobile/qtcontacts-sqlite/commit/f413f8d3d3c8f3860bcc02f482289459ff7ee6f608:05
jarkko_ah, there's a "Sync Two-way" setting in the (Google) account on the phone.08:05
chriadamthat was fixed in bluetooth sync https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins/commit/7e82f641996cefdc53e7c405693ab038cdf7da52 but maybe it is also needed for google and carddav sync.08:06
Nicd-were there contact sync fixes in the latest update? or in the next one?08:06
chriadamthere were some contact sync fixes in the latest update, but most will be in the next one unfortunately.08:06
jarkko_speaking of the accounts, is it normal that I have to sign in to Facebook and Google accounts appr once a week?08:06
Nicd-because my contact sync is broken all the time and I'm wondering if I should factory reset08:06
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chriadamjarkko_: no.  again, there are fixes for that one in the next update, they didn't make it into the latest released one.08:07
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chriadamNicd-: there is still one major issue with contact sync which we're still chasing down, in which the following error is produced:  "Invalid detail type: 0" in the journal08:07
jarkko_chriadam: ok, thanks for the heads up08:08
Nicd-yes, I have "invalid detail type" in my logs08:08
chriadamit affects various sync adapters, so it's either a problem with our storage backend, or with some shared code used by all of the sync adapters.  as yet, I don't have a good repro on a device I control :-/  makes it tough to figure out precisely what's going wrong.08:08
Nicd-I can reproduce it because it happened almost instantly after you helped me reset all contact stuff last time :P08:09
chriadamit seems from some logs I've seen that somehow an invalid QContactDetail (ie, default constructed one) gets added to the list of details ot save in that contact08:09
chriadamyeah, I remember seeing that email / logs08:09
chriadamhrm, I thought that was a separate issue, actually, because at that stage I didn't know it affected Exchange / Activesync too08:10
chriadamunfortunately, that particular problem will still affect you, ie, I haven't managed to fix it yet :-/08:10
chriadamnext week I have set aside two days to find and fix that one, interruptionless, though.08:10
chriadamso hopefully...08:11
chriadamwe'll see.08:11
Nicd-good luck08:11
chriadamthanks ;-)08:11
chriadamanyway, about ot head home - have a good weekend everyone08:11
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lainwir3do/08:21
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humdHello! I updated to Yliaavanlampi (1.1.2.16) yesterday and it seems that Caldav accounts do not work anymore.. any ideas?08:36
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jaacoppihumd: seehttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/page:1/query:caldav/08:37
jaacoppieh, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=146291908:37
jaacoppidamn, wrong paste. Let's try a 3rd time..08:37
jaacoppihttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/page:1/query:caldav/08:38
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chem|stHtheB: you are trying to cure a symptom of a disease, as this seems android related and not in general... (keep connection alive) when I have an ssh session open the device does not shutdown the connection. if it ignores androids then it is a bug, keeping the conenctions active in idle while there is no program asking for/in need of internet is plain stupid09:29
chem|stHtheB: android networking or even networking in general is painful09:30
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greenithi, how can i authenticate the android whatsapp-app ?09:59
greeniti got the sms, but it didn't recognize it10:01
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Joonaagreenit: wait10:01
Joonaait will ask you to call a number10:02
Joonaaand from there you get a number10:02
Sail0rdamn scratches on my jolla display -.-10:03
zutto:l10:04
greenitthanks Joonaa10:04
zuttomy jollas touchscreen stopped working last friday after the UI crashed10:04
Joonaaheh, speaking of scratches... mine has a massive scratch, but thankfully its below the actual display10:05
Joonaadropped it on some asphalt :p10:05
Joonaasadly the plastic case took some big hits too10:05
CissWitMy jolla keep rebooting randomly. Sometimes i just try to read a SMS and it reboots. Is there a way to debug this ?10:05
JoonaaCissWit: i had the same problem.. jolla support replied to take out the battery, push in the battery connectors 30 times10:06
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Joonaahasnt booted for a week or two now, so it might work10:06
Joonaapush them with some flat plastic thing so you dont break them :910:06
Joonaa:)*10:06
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HartziHey, all finnish sailors --> #jollasuomi10:07
CissWitthanks for the tip, it might indeed be a battery problem10:07
Joonaaif it doesnt work, they offered to repair it :)10:08
CissWiti badly need more nails, i always have such a hard time to take off the other half10:09
Joonaalol, you should be able to take it off without any10:10
Joonaa... nevermind10:10
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CissWitok, done. Thanks a lot for the tip, will try to contact the support if it doesn't work.10:12
Tujutaxify.eu doesn't work with Jolla.10:13
Tujunor anything else that needs G Play.10:13
Joonaabut why do apps need gplay10:14
dr_gogeta86Tuju, is blasfemy but install gapps packages10:14
dr_gogeta86https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/10:15
CissWiti don't know if i did something special, but the other half theme have been detected this time.10:16
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Morpog_wTuju: as sson as you install play store and play services almostr all apps work10:19
TujuMorpog_w: i did, but it fails to run.10:20
Morpog_wJoonaa: because they rely on apis provided by play services10:20
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Morpog_wtuju how is the app called exactly?10:21
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TujuTaxify, http://taxify.eu10:21
TujuMorpog_w: but i've a list of apps that fail because of gplay10:21
TujuZoiper works, but once i instlaled gplay, it complains that gplay doesn't work.10:22
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Tujuthis is something where jolla failed, gplay should be available from jolla's repos and someone should monitor if it needs any luv.10:23
Nicd-gplay cannot be available from jolla repos, google will never allow that10:23
Morpog_wtuju, no chance, google would sue the hell out of them10:23
Tujuwhat prevent's jolla to make its own repo?10:23
Nicd-the law10:23
Morpog_wit's proprietary google software10:23
Tujuthis whole concept is fscked up.10:23
Morpog_wtaxify works on my jolla btw10:24
Nicd-thank google for that10:24
Accetell that to Google10:24
Tujuyou're fighting against windmills here.10:24
Nicd-they put all the good stuff in their proprietary gplay apis10:24
Nicd-care to elaborate?10:24
Morpog_wI's google's way to keep everyone in their walled garden10:24
TujuMorpog_w: that's because your gply works.10:24
Morpog_werm you told me you got it too10:24
TujuMorpog_w: i do but it doesn't work. If i start "Google services" i get an error message.10:25
Morpog_wjust read the install manual on tjc10:25
Morpog_wafter that update store and services with aptoide10:25
Nicd-Tuju: who is fighting agains windmills and what do you mean by it?10:26
TujuMorpog_w: which one you're using: Aptoide or "Aptoide Appstore" ?10:26
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TujuMorpog_w: i've two similar icons with different texts below 'em. Both seem to open similar looking store.10:27
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Tujuand they both open, with titles "Aptoide" and "Aptoide Appstore"10:28
Tujuheh heh, inside the "Aptoide Appstore" there is a application called "Aptoide" :)10:29
Tujuthat's probably where i got the second one.10:30
Morpog_wAptoide Appstore10:32
Tujuso i remove the other then.10:34
Tujunow i can't sleep next night while wondering why the Apptoide is inside the Apptoide Appstore in the first place.10:35
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Tujui'm now reinstalling Play services, let's see does it help.10:40
Tujunope, it didn't.10:41
Morpog_wupdated to latest play services?10:42
Tujulemme check10:42
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Tujuat least Apptoide doesn't show it as an update, it's 6.1.7110:43
Morpog_wI'm on 6.7.7610:43
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Tujuthis device is pretty recent purchase.10:43
Tujuewww....that much newer.10:44
Morpog_wcan you add a store in aptopde püls10:44
Morpog_wplease10:44
Tujusure, where is that ?10:44
Morpog_wit's called power-freak10:44
Morpog_win the store category10:44
Morpog_wof aptopde10:44
Morpog_wyou should have jolla there at the moment only10:45
tango_ok, this is what happens when I try to launch Threes (Unity game for android) after Yawhatever http://sprunge.us/jYgR10:45
tango_used to work on previous OS release10:45
tango_shall I report to tjc?10:45
Morpog_wneed to go now tuju10:46
tango_btw is there a way to find the sailfish os version I'm on from the command line?10:46
Morpog_wafter adding power-freak store go again to update section and refresh, now you should get play store and play services updaters10:46
tango_ah, ssu re10:46
TujuMorpog_w:  i found 'power store', not a freak.10:47
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Morpog_wpower-freak10:47
Morpog_wall in small letters10:48
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Morpog_wgtg cya10:48
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TujuMikaela: ack, thanks.10:48
Tujuerrr, Morgawr10:48
Tujucrap.10:48
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Tujunow i found power-freak but it's not there. still the same version.10:54
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chem|sttango_: add everything you find to that bug and probably tag it bug too and maybe find another game that crashes the same11:13
tango_chem|st: I tagged it regression11:13
chem|sts/bug/bugreport/11:13
tango_also that's all the info I have presently11:13
chem|sttango_: it is a bug not a regression11:13
tango_ok11:13
tango_and thanks for watching over me ;-)11:13
tango_what's the difference between bug and regression?11:14
tango_if it worked before and stopped working after isn't this a regression?11:14
* tango_ doesn't feel so sure anymore11:14
chem|sttango_: sailfish 2.0 gestures are a regression11:14
tango_well, that too11:15
chem|stif something degrades11:15
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tango_something stopping working I would say degrades 8-D11:15
chem|stif something is crashing that is a bug11:15
tango_well it's being oom killed11:15
chem|stwhile playing?11:15
tango_while starting up11:15
tango_I think while creating the game textures or something11:16
tango_I can see the initial screen11:16
chem|stthen tag accordingly oom-killer11:16
tango_I tagged out of memory11:16
tango_I'm not sure it's the oom-killer killing it11:16
chem|stit is a oom-killer bug11:16
tango_it encounters an oom condition11:16
tango_but I don't know if it's the oom-killer killing it, it might be just the program quitting due to proper exception handling11:17
tango_failed malloc => ok, I quit11:17
tango_that's why I didn't go with oom-killer11:17
chem|sthmm, would you mind to add journal logs to it too, you can cut it short by setting a time for it eg journalctl --since 12:1811:17
tango_gotta go bbl11:17
chem|stlater11:17
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tango_bah false alarm11:20
tango_chem|st: let me see what the journal has to say11:20
tango_do I have to devel-su to get the journals?11:20
tango_hm the journal has nothing to say about oom11:22
tango_so it looks like it wasn't killed by the oom killer11:22
tango_and every other game I have works11:24
chem|stthrees it was right?11:35
chem|st"Threes!"? that is 1.68 in playstore, well I wont buy an app to further investigate, you are on your own :/11:37
tango_chem|st: yah. I got it for cheaper in one of the humble mobile bundles together with a bunch of other games11:40
tango_I find it interesting that it's not available on the humble store though11:40
tango_meh11:40
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tango_I don't think it would be legal to give you the apk just for debugging, would it 8-P11:41
tango_chem|st: maybe you can ask the Threes devs if they can send you a copy to test on the jolla11:41
tango_(I like threes because it can use the google play services but it also works without, so it can run on the jolla)11:42
tango_(and also because it's an addictive game, but that's a different matter)11:42
PaulePanterAre you able to specify a port in the browser?11:52
PaulePanter192.0.0.1:3000 gets converted to 192.0.0.1.3000 in the browser of my Jolla phone.11:52
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tbrPaulePanter: try prefixing it with http:// - MSIE used to barf on this12:09
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chem|sthttp://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000031637/6218_orh400w600/Jolla-tablet-1dss.jpg13:18
tadziklooks like a chocolate13:18
chem|stisn't the logo upside down considering camera is up?13:18
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Nicd-good catch13:19
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tadzikhaha13:19
chem|stand if the logo is landscape, why are the speakers portrait?13:19
chem|stand if the primary use case is landscape why are the connectors not on one side too...13:20
chem|st"bottom"13:20
TemeVwhat material is that backcover?13:20
chem|stanodized aluminum13:20
TemeVlooks almost like leather in that pic13:21
chem|stthat is because 5k people's finger grain is on it^^13:21
TemeVoh, anodized aliminium, ofcourse13:21
chem|stjust like the phone13:22
TemeVlooks nice, but the speakers should be for landscape, that would be the only position where one needs stereo speakers13:23
chem|st+113:23
HtheBchem|st: no, im talking about native apps! not android apps!13:24
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TemeVbut I don't really mind, the sounds is crappy anyway and I don't eveb care if it is stereo or not13:24
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chem|stI revert that connectors moan... it is probably a good idea to have µUSB bottom and 3.5mm top but then again the cameras are on the bottom...13:24
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phdeswerchem|st: with USB connector not on the bottom it is easier to use on a stand13:26
chem|stHtheB: then those native apps are buggy... I have no issues with accounts or ssh, even the browser keeps it active if some page with jscipt keeps some SOCKS open13:26
chem|stphdeswer: it is on the bottom... in landscape13:27
HtheBchem|st: I should ask CepiPerez about it13:28
chem|stthe lastucase will be landscape only if I understood that correctly...13:28
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HtheBhe's the one who develops Whatsup13:28
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chem|stit needs to request internet connection if it does not want to call home directly13:29
chem|stbut otoh why not integrate with telepathy directly? the "yet another messanger" stuff is one reason I do not like android and iOS... living with unified messaging since messaging...13:30
chem|stonly thing I have separated is IRC13:31
chem|stbut yet that is another messanger in a messanger (and xmpp is kinda buggy with it^^)13:32
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phdeswerchem|st: well you can rotate it so that you have landscape with the connector up. You don't really need tose buttons anyway13:35
TemeVbut then the logo is upside down!13:35
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TemeVbtw, i saw a whatsapp plugin for telepathy in github, it was quite outdated though13:38
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TemeVsomeone just needs to update it :)13:38
Stskeepshome, sweet home13:38
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politiewhat exactly is telepathy13:39
politie?13:39
TemeVit is the messaging framework used in jolla13:39
politieso when theres a plugin where do the messages go? same place as sms?13:40
TemeVyes13:40
Nicd-that would be nice13:40
TemeVjust like xmpp and facebook messages right now13:41
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TemeVand telegram in my phone :)13:41
politieah dont use xmpp or facebook :p, ill go and try to get telegram in it13:41
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chem|stphdeswer: what about volume-rocker?13:42
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TemeVhttps://github.com/TemeV/telepathy-morse13:42
politiethank you13:42
TemeVthough there is quite some limitations to that13:42
phdeswerchem|st: how often do you need that? And even if you would need to adjust volume like for a video, the controls are also on-screen13:42
politieyea i read no sending files etc.13:42
chem|stare they?13:42
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chem|stpolitie: the messanger is missing essential glue atm13:43
politietelepathy itself?13:43
politieor the telegram plugin13:43
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TemeVtelegram plugin and jolla messaging app both actuall13:44
TemeVy13:44
chem|stpolitie: no the frontend, is missing things like attaching files13:44
TemeVtelepathy itself can handle those13:44
chem|styou cannot even start an MMS from it13:44
politieah ok13:44
TemeVI really hope Jolla will do something about it13:45
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chem|stTemeV: I hope that for a year now13:45
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politieshame13:46
TemeVchem|st: mee too13:46
chem|stno SIP within 14Month, no file send-receive, no nothing13:46
chem|stno XMPP plugins etc13:46
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Liekei just hope for otr support13:46
uuhimherecan you use pidgin on jolla?13:47
chem|st12 month ago OTR was broken in telepathy, don't know if that changed13:47
HtheBchem|st: it's not something that you could easily port into "default messaging" app13:48
tbrfor pidgin plugins there is telepathy-haze13:48
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tbrsimple messaging protocols should "just work" if one goes and compiles the plugins13:48
tbre.g. SIPe through telepathy-haze if someone wants Microsoft Lync13:48
chem|stHtheB: never said it was easy13:49
chem|stbut without opening up the sources the community is stuck with what is there frontend wise13:49
politietelepathy sounds like it has potential, but it seems theyre not putting alot of effort in it13:50
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TemeVtelepathy is also used in KDE and Gnome I think13:50
chem|stpolitie: on N900 and N9 you could do much more with the unified msger than on jolla13:51
chem|stTemeV: yeah with empathy as frontend13:51
chem|stat least for gnome13:51
TemeVKDE has KDE-Telepathy or something like that13:51
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ggabrielmaybe the messenger is the next thing that has to go open source13:51
ggabrieland then the community has at least access to all the layers13:52
ggabrieland can do whatever13:52
chem|stor get as much love as the events-view13:52
chem|stbut if it goes the same road we will wait till SFOS 3.0 for that...13:52
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greenithi, i should hear a sound from both speakers at the bottom, right?13:59
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tadzikno14:00
tadzikone of them is a microphone :)14:00
greenitreally?14:01
Joonaafun fact: skype outputs audio from the speaker at the bottom, so the other party will have echo :)14:01
greenitso... which one is the micro?14:01
tadzikthe one that you can't hear :D14:02
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greeniti just want to be sure u're not fooling me ;-)14:02
Joonaahe's not14:02
Joonaawhere do you think the mic could be14:02
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greenitjust tell me which of the both and i'm convinced :)14:04
greenitof the two*14:04
Joonaawell i cant play anything from the speakers at work14:04
Joonaatry it yourself14:04
tbrggabriel: you're welcome to help m4rtink and locusf work on the replacement messenger14:05
tbrI've shown that the old DE/CE/Nemo messenger UI works just fine on sailfish, but it would need a rewrite14:06
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greenitare there any tech papers where the speaker and mic are described? i just want to be sure14:09
tbrgreenit: only one speaker at the bottom14:11
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tbrgreenit: the other grill either has a microphone or nothing, I forget14:11
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TemeVit has the mice14:13
greenitwell... after 3 people told me now... i think it could be true... :)    thanks for the answers14:13
TemeVthere is tmo thread where someone disassembles his jolla14:14
greenithowever, can you tell me on which side the speaker is? left or right?14:14
greenittmo?14:15
TemeVtalk.maemo.org14:15
greenitah,ok14:15
greenittyping on the jolla is faster than i thought^^14:16
Joonaaim terribly slow typing on phone >*14:16
Joonaa:(*14:16
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chem|stgreenit: left is speaker14:23
ggabrielsome of the quotes are fun: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1463250&postcount=105714:23
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chem|stlol14:26
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fgkiglocusf: your post om pi forums still not approved... :s14:42
locusffgkig: yeah14:42
fgkigoh well/.. im still not following what your issue is with yhe screen... u camt use the driver?14:44
locusfah now its approved14:44
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fgkigyou didnt add your yt link14:46
fgkigof sailfish bootimg14:46
locusfwell there is a video on the part 2 of the articcles14:47
fgkigoh yeah forgot14:48
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fgkighttps://sailpi.wordpress.com/overclocking/14:49
fgkigthought stock pi2 was 900mhz...14:50
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locusfafaik its not in mgz in the config14:57
fgkigyeah but isnt arm-freq the one u need to change15:02
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jubo2No-one still figured out imaging the system portion of the phone before smashing everything into bitdust15:02
jubo2Anyone want to buy a used phone15:03
jubo2just as soon as I've taken it to the service and they send it back15:03
fgkiglocusf:  and i tjink is... http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2663315:03
jubo2hopefully not with sideways swiping in home screen to get to the ambiences broken 99,8% of the time15:03
jubo2Interesting that untested products are sent back from the servicing15:04
fgkiglocusf: https://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/how-to-overclock-raspberry-pi/15:07
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locusfI don't know15:08
locusfmaybe my cowriter had it wrong then15:08
nanderCongrats by the way on being the only mobile os not vulnerable to FREAK. Webpirate is vulnerable btw15:08
fgkiglocusf: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6585415:09
nanderBy the way, did 1.1.2 fix some powermanagement? It seems to use way less power now15:10
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fgkiglocusf: so that tutorial om ur blog is actually an umderclock tutorial15:13
fgkig...15:13
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AmadeusXNetfgkig: read again..15:17
fgkigyeah it speeds up the gpu which loads everyhimg15:18
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fgkigoh u vhangefnit15:19
fgkigchanged it15:19
AmadeusXNetfgkig: What I meant is that it's fixed ;)15:19
AmadeusXNetYeah15:19
fgkighave u tried that core freq?15:20
AmadeusXNetOh yes15:21
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AmadeusXNetThinking of trying a higher value :)15:21
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AmadeusXNetfgkig: Mine is running on: 57515:22
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AmadeusXNetfgkig: And temp=44.9'C15:24
jubo2Things that make you go "Interesting." and go on15:25
fgkigthats jumction temp15:26
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fgkigwhonder whay die temp is15:26
fgkigdo i jave a thermometer? xd15:27
jubo2I don't see what the techincal difficulty in dividing the material on the flash storage to "system file areas" and "user file areas" and then image the system file areas before turning everything on storage device to bitdust?15:27
ggabrielwell, if it's a real question, die is the singular of dice15:27
jubo2this way one would be able to afterwards observe which problem was HW and which SW related if the SW state can be examined after the phone has been reset15:28
fgkigdie is tje simgular for things still wastimg o2 :p15:29
jubo2Maybe Jolla Ltd is just an another corporation doing the corporation thing. Not caring about their customer experience15:29
fgkigwhat are u going on about15:30
Nicd-jubo2: if you have nothing worthwhile to say, how about just don't say anything15:31
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jubo2Nicd-: yeah.. critisizm is not worthwhile. We're engineers from and engineering corporation after all15:31
Nicd-jubo2: most of what you say is not constructive and you keep repeating the same stuff for months on end15:32
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jubo2I just wanted to suggest to image the system files before wiping factory reset.. This way one may likely catch and eliminate bugs faster mmkay?15:33
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jubo2and I am a stakeholder15:33
jubo2I'm the customer ain't I ?15:33
jubo2It's not all about engineers. It's about the shareholders and the ultimate consumer too.15:34
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Nicd-how do you know they don't image the system files?15:35
tiwakeoh hey, jolla got the best table award15:35
Nicd-jolla makes furniture?!15:36
tiwakehttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#activity15:36
Nicd-I was joking :)15:37
fgkigmaybe theyve been bought oit by ikea15:37
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tiwakeooo... ikea+jolla15:37
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tiwakejolkea15:38
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the_mgtmakes sense, ikea just added wireless charging to their furniture15:38
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fgkigikolla15:42
fgkigmight get sued by coca cola though..15:42
tiwakeneh15:42
tiwakeunless the logo is close to the same15:43
fgkigwait is ll pronoumced yy in fin?15:44
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Nicd-no15:47
Teguseagatefish15:47
fgkigdont u mean mongoliandeathworm15:49
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messertingCongrats on the TrustedReviews "Best Tablet of MWC15" award sailors!16:03
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tiwakeoh nice, there are a whole bunch of games coming to linux16:05
tiwakeon steam16:05
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Scelttiwake: link?16:06
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tiwakehttp://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamos_sale16:07
tiwakethey put all the games that are in the process of being ported for linux on sale16:08
tiwakeoh hey, payday216:08
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baumhello, by chance anyone knows a good paper on how to acess the camera via php/c/qt5 ?16:11
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tiwakethis game looks like fun... http://store.steampowered.com/app/255710/16:17
tiwakeI wonder if they have scenarios where a city is forced, like from a military base close by16:18
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HtheBcoderus:  ping16:40
baumah yes, another question: by chance anyone is familiar with a short intro into python programming on sailfish?16:43
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coderusHtheB: pong?17:13
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coderusbaum: https://www.google.com/search?q=pyotherside+sailfish17:15
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baumcoderus: you won't belive it but i found this on my own :) i was more looking for something like a book, thanks anyways....17:17
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coderuspyotherside is pyotherside17:17
coderusread anything and it will apply to sailfish also17:17
baumoh alright, sweet17:18
baumthanks17:19
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Ponchalehi18:07
Ponchalehow are you team Jolla18:07
Stskeepstired18:08
ursJolly good, of course18:08
HtheB:(18:09
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Ponchalesailfish group referred me to this channel, as we are this interested us form an alliance with jolla18:10
StskeepsPonchale: send me an e-mail on carsten.munk@jolla.com and i can forward you to the right people18:10
Ponchaleand want to know if this is the channel of the staff or at least where we can have a conversation with someone close to the staff18:10
Stskeepswe have a lot of staffers here but anything business goes on in different matters18:11
HtheBPonchale: we are this interested us form an alliance with jolla << can you define 'we'? I'm interested who you are :)18:11
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Ponchalemy name is Alfonso Hernandez founder and director of development and innovation of Colombian EasyLabs software development company18:15
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HtheBwelcome aboard Ponchale  :)18:16
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Ponchalethen we want to distribute the phones in LA and likewise create a oem starting from sailfish and being the only representatives in this area. LA is Latin America is a very strong market in mobile telephony where and always have very encuenta here are the alternatives and want to be their strategic allies18:19
PonchaleHtheb then we want to distribute the phones in LA and likewise create a oem starting from sailfish and being the only representatives in this area. LA is Latin America is a very strong market in mobile telephony where and always have very encuenta here are the alternatives and want to be their strategic allies18:19
HtheBSounds very interesting! :)18:19
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Nicd-Ponchale: note that this is not an official channel and jolla does not do business here18:21
Nicd-also most people here are not part of the company18:21
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coderusi think Stskeeps already told so18:22
baumPonchale: yes, you definitly might want to consider sending them an email18:22
Nicd-so I suggest you take Stskeeps's advice (he works for them) and send them an email :)18:22
Ponchaleok18:22
Ponchale thanks for the interest shown18:23
HtheBPonchale: you're always welcome here though! :)18:24
PonchaleStskeeps: I just sent the email18:28
Acceyep, good to have representation from yet another continent :)18:28
StskeepsPonchale: thanks, i'll get you in touch18:28
Stskeepswe just came back from MWC so expect a few days delay18:28
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PonchaleStskeeps: I hope your answer, to know approximately how long they give me an answer on the talk there ok?18:30
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AL13Ni'm not too fond of the browser tabbing system21:37
AL13N1. the browser opens pages just a bit too large (in landscape mode), which means i always have to pinch it a bit21:38
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AL13N2. my tabs are now in reverse order after upgrade, and they stay where they are, i can't move or switch them around, to be able to find the tab that i want21:38
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ShadowJKI haven't noticed 1, but I noticed 2, because previously the tab behaviours was "weird", and then I got used to it, and now tab behaviour changed, and I'm not used to it21:40
ShadowJKI mean, I kinda got used to the inverted tab order of the previous browser version21:40
ShadowJKBut now I'm not sure what the order is :D21:40
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AL13NShadowJK: it may be true wrt the previously inverted tab behavior. atm there is no order, it doesn't change anymore; but i want to at least move them to a sane place now21:53
AL13Nie: have all the webcomics together21:54
AL13Nalso what you see in the tab is just a blown up left upper shot instead of the whole screen21:54
AL13Nnot easy to see which is which21:54
AL13Nand very annoying when browsing webcomics to have to EVERY page view, pinch it a bit21:55
AL13Ni mean, you watch a comic, pinch, next, pinch again, next, pinch again, etc...21:55
AL13Nvery annoying21:55
AL13Nit sort of used to fit width21:55
ShadowJKYeah, it's hard to tell what is what21:57
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ShadowJKtap and hold should enable moving, imo21:57
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chem|stAL13N: found the report on tjc?22:25
AL13Nchem|st: didn't find anything on that yet22:26
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AL13Nchem|st: you have?22:27
AL13NShadowJK: i've tried to tap and hold22:27
AL13Nno deal, it seems22:27
chem|stupside down tabs I guess is there already22:27
chem|stfor the browserpage I do not know22:27
AL13Nwell, i don't quite care about that, i need to move them to a proper place22:27
chem|stpeople complain about landscape needs two hands...22:28
AL13Nsince they aren't moving anymore, i need to put them in a proper place22:28
AL13Ni find landscape browsing easier when i'm in bed22:28
AL13Nand read up on webcomics22:28
chem|styeah but complaining about the taskbar being two hands?22:29
AL13Ni can't find anything now with my 30+ tabs22:29
AL13Nchem|st: i donno22:29
AL13Ni do think the previous taskbar was better22:29
AL13Nbut it's more annoying that all pages are opened too big22:29
chem|stthat tabbing has to be changed, hopefully they come up with a better idea22:29
AL13Nand i have to make them fit width22:29
chem|sthmm22:29
chem|stlmc22:29
AL13Nif i could move the tabs around that would be ok for me, (if they would make the tabs icon actually have the full size of the page instead of an enlarged 9th of the actual page22:30
chem|stgot it...22:31
chem|stall non-mobile pages need a little pinch22:31
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keithzgHooray, my carrier is finally getting LTE!23:23
keithzgSadness, it still isn't a frequency that Jolla supports!23:23
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r0kk3rz they need to get over this whole no multitouch gestures thing23:35
r0kk3rzmakes things where you zoom impossible to use23:35
chem|str0kk3rz: let them first get over "no dumb mode two gestures for one action" please23:36
r0kk3rznot sure i follow23:38
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