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coderusAliendalvik control plugin for Jolla Settings. Allow to start/stop aliendalvik by clicking toggle. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/aliendalvik-toggle-jolla-settings08:43
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cityoflights2I want a second battry08:53
Stskeepsi want a pony08:53
Joonaai want a job08:54
lainwir3d_I want to go to space08:54
coderusi want a summer08:54
Yanieljust a sun would be fine08:55
Mikaela+1 to summer08:55
coderuswe have huge snowfall today, 10 March :D08:55
jaacoppifrom those 5 things I'd choose going to space08:55
SceltI want to be free08:55
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TemeVYeah, sun would be nice for a change. Yesterday was nice and sunny day in Vaasa... and I spent it in a windowless lab...08:59
kimmoliStskeeps: Joonaa: coderus: Combination of your needs; http://www.workaway.info/18279957924e-en.html09:03
kimmoliunfortunately nothing such in space :(09:03
Joonaalol09:04
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SfietKontantinWponey in space \o/09:09
SfietKontantinWthat's a business to be considered09:09
jaacoppithat's animal cruelty09:09
Joonaano, that's science09:11
anYcspring arrived in germany, I was outside with just a shirt yesterday \o/09:13
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Teemuindeed09:19
Teemui'm in fu-berlin at the moment09:19
SfietKontantinWwe got summer in fr during the WE09:20
SfietKontantinWbut now, winter is back09:20
Stskeepsbarcelona had 20 degrees. was awesome.09:20
Stskeeps:P09:20
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Teemulast evening walk from restaurant to hotel in just a shirt <309:31
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HannabashFinland +309:51
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uuhimhereMars +10009:54
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Hannabash:)09:56
MrSparrowFartwhat is sparrow in finn?09:56
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Sceltvarpunen09:58
Scelt"MrSparrowFart" would most naturally be "Herra Varpuspaska"09:59
MrSparrowFartinteresting09:59
Temevarpuspieru to be precise09:59
Sceltwhich actually is "SparrowShit"09:59
MrSparrowFartVarpus thats a nice name for a phone10:01
MrSparrowFartis Herra bird?10:01
TemeHerra = Sir10:01
Sceltor mister aka mr10:02
Hannabashherra birra10:02
SceltMrSparrowFart: varpunen is the basic from of the noun10:02
Sceltvarpus is a twisted form :D10:02
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juhajJiihaa! Jolla finally sent me my voucher code – just 20 days after payment10:09
politie😂10:10
MrSparrowFartis j in finn the same as spanish?10:11
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JopeMrSparrowFart, no10:14
Jopebut it's nearly the same j as in Swedish. :-)10:15
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sakustarHannabash: +3 ?! time to get the shorts out10:24
Nicd-6°C here, it's like summer already10:25
Joonaaraining here <*10:26
Joonaa;(*10:26
sakustar5.3 says mine :010:30
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JoonaaCan I change the (un)lock button functionality so it skips song instead of unlocking the screen if media player is playing music?10:55
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tadzikyou can put musicplayer controls on lockscreen :)10:56
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Joonaawell, i cant really use the screen while its in my pocket, but i can hit the buttons :)10:57
henkHow "stable" are patches? Is it risky using them, e.g. in the event of system upgrades, if one isn’t careful or do they Just Work™?10:58
tadzikoh, you mean the physical button10:58
Joonaayeah10:58
tadzikhenk: they disappear on system upgrades10:58
tadzikhenk: in my experience they're less buggy than sailfish itself, quite often :P10:58
Yanielif you are not careful you may end up bricking your phone though10:59
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Joonaatadzik: any ideas? :)11:01
tadzikJoonaa: no, not really11:01
Joonaadarn11:01
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Tujui missed a call again. answering with jolla is difficult.11:11
Tujuthat wipe shit with incoming call is just stupid.11:12
Tujunever had the same problem with n950 nor n9.11:12
SfietKontantinWTuju: you have two gestures on the N911:13
SfietKontantinWnot really more practical11:13
Tujui have a button on screen with n9.11:13
tadzikI don't see how doing a swipe is harder than a press11:14
tadzikI find it easier, you don't have to aim that well11:14
Tujutadzik: i see, i miss calles. constantly.11:14
tadzikyou can practice with alarms11:14
JoonaaTo be fair, the delay on the screen is very annoying11:15
Joonaai swipe before it can register it11:15
Tujui can also imagine that other users would do.11:15
Joonaaand then my finger is already at the bottom of the screen11:15
Tujutadzik: maybe end user device manufactured at 2014 has an issue if you need to "practice" a basic feature.11:15
Tujumaybe a seminar and user traning course about answering a call with jolla?11:16
Tujui'd love to hear the seminar key note.11:16
Teguin case you didn't know, you don't have to exactly hit the "answer call" in the pulley menu (unlike in other pulleys)11:17
Teguiirc11:17
AcceI didn't need practise, nor I find it hard. It's as simple as buttons to me. But that probably doesn't comfort you at this point11:17
Tujuor maybe just admitting that sailfish is not a phone software, but a hex-calculator launching platform that tries to conquer smartphone market.11:17
Joonaahaha what?11:20
YanielTuju: oh you didn't know?11:20
Yanielit is in fact an elaborate plan to bring back punch cards11:20
Joonaasailfish is by far the best phone os ive used so far11:20
Nicd-I haven't really had any problems with the answering except for the lag sometimes11:20
Nicd-I had a lot more problems answering calls with my N90011:20
Tujunow i got the guy at the end of the line and had to stop the call and agree that i call him back with desktop phone because i could not understand what he's talking.11:20
Tujuand we don't have that issue with face-to-face.11:20
Tujubut hey, it's a great phone.11:21
Joonaathats weird11:21
Joonaai havent had any issues with calls like that11:21
Joonaathough, i do prefer using earbuds if i have them on me11:21
TujuJoonaa: i use device's own speaker.11:21
Joonaayeah ive used it too11:21
henkYaniel: hm, that doesn’t sound good. How can that happen? Anything to watch out for?11:21
Joonaayou can adjust volume mid-call btw11:21
TujuJoonaa: does it help to distrosion?11:22
Tujumaybe it breaks the sound if i have it too loud.11:22
Yanielhenk: just be careful to choose the right punch11:22
Accehenk: are you that famous cowboy?11:22
Tegupunched tape is so cute11:22
JoonaaTuju yeah it might be too loud for you atm11:22
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henkYaniel: punch?11:23
Tujunow i tried it again: The fact is that there is nothing on screen that you could tap when call comes in.11:24
Tujueveryone else got it right, at the time of call, you - surprise surprise, need to put a button on screen where to tap.11:24
Tujuguys, make a guess when jolla goes bankcrupt?11:25
Yanielwhy do you feel a need to tap anything in the first place11:25
Joonaai dont think that is a problem at all11:25
Yanielexcept ass11:25
TeguI haven't have problems with the swipe-to-answer11:25
TujuYaniel: indeed. you think about it.11:25
Joonaamy problem is that the phone starts ringing, then a second later the screen powers on, and then a bit later the touchscreen activates11:25
xfade_Tuju: You know that you just need to put a finger on the screen an pull down. You can do that without looking11:25
Joonaaso you have to wait while the phone is ringing11:25
Tujuxfade_: yes, i know that.11:25
henkAcce: No, I don’t even know him, so he seems not to be that famous.11:26
xfade_That is a lot easier than actually finding the button on the screen and tapping on it?11:26
Tujuxfade_: and that's a stupid UI-decision.11:26
* _inte_ never had any problems answering a call with my Jolla as well11:26
xfade_I can even mute my alarm clock in my sleep ;)11:26
Joonaai dont get it, how is that stupid?11:26
Joonaais it stupid because its different than android?11:26
Teguthen again, I don't use the phone features much so maybe I haven't had enough repetition to make it annoying (like even small things get annoying if they happen frequently)11:26
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Yanielif you want the easiest possible interaction, make the phone detect it is raised from the table or whatever and answer automatically11:27
TujuJoonaa: the probability that everyone else does it so, because it's the most intutive way to do it, is high.11:27
Joonaaimo android feels more like its designed for phones with buttons and no touch screen11:27
kjetilhowell, I have declined calls many times due to accidental key presses since I was using the phone just as the call came in11:27
_inte_xfade_:  there is math-in-alarms-patch against this habbit :-)11:27
kjetilhothe accept call gesture is rare enough it's not done by accident11:27
xfade__inte_: hehe, yeah sometimes I need that ;)11:27
_inte_:)11:27
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Joonaaxfade_: oh yeah, unlocking the screen when alarm starts doesnt actually unlock the screen, but snoozes instead11:28
kjetilhoYaniel: I don't want that, I want to see who is calling before I answer :)11:28
Joonaaworst behaviour EVER11:28
Nicd-Tuju: there's no button to press on iOS or my wife's old android phone11:28
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_inte_I find that patch the probably most useful one in patchmanager :-)11:28
Nicd-it's similar sliding of the finger, just sideways11:28
xfade_Joonaa: You can snooze and dismiss without unlocking11:28
Nicd-Tuju: have you thought maybe it's just you? :P11:28
Tujuwhen i bought this device, my local var said that it's the last shipment of those phones, there will be no more.11:28
Joonaaxfade_ i know, but my reaction is always to unlock the phone11:28
Joonaaso every morning i end up snoozing for 15mins at least11:29
xfade_Joonaa: then you are already awake enough to enter the code? :)11:29
Joonaai just use the default app11:29
Tujuand that shop was the only place to buy it in this country. so there will not be any other reseller anymore.11:29
Joonaabut maybe i do need to change my habits..11:29
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xfade_Joonaa: once you realize that you can also flip the phone over, then the real snoozing habbit starts ;)11:30
Joonaaoh no...11:30
Joonaai think ive actually managed to mute the alarm a few times in my sleep :)11:31
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tadzikTuju: I mentioned that (practicing), because you are the first person I've seen who has a problem with it :)11:34
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Tujutadzik: that doesn't mean that others wouldn't. I'm just those rare ones who bring it up.11:55
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tadzikTuju: yeah, perhaps11:58
tadzikTuju: so the problem is that you're used to the button, so you "tap" and it accidentally swipes?11:58
tadzikor is swiping itself actually tricky11:58
Tujuincoming call is a short event, if you don't answer it, it goes away.11:59
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Joonaa... short?11:59
tadziksure it is, but what's your problem with not answering it?11:59
tadzikshort as in less than 30 seconds, I imagine11:59
Tujuif there is nothing on display - i don't see the befenit of hiding the answer behind a pullable menu.11:59
tadzikbut it's not like the gesture takes longer than... half?11:59
Tujua) pull selection visible and aim to it, answer    b) tap your finger to green button on screen12:00
xfade_Tuju: you don't need to aim12:01
tadzikyeah, I guess there's no reason to not make the green image tappable12:01
xfade_Just flick and release12:01
Tujuit's like a room's lightswitch would be behind a box cover you need to open.12:01
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Nicd-tadzik: accidental taps12:02
tadzikhm, maybe12:02
JoonaaTuju: but you dont use the light switch as a keyboard :)12:02
TujuJoonaa: it ends to be funny when sailfish dies like meego did.12:03
Nicd-maybe you should go troll somewhere else12:03
Joonaai think we are doing quite well right now12:04
Joonaaand im super happy using this phone, even if it wasnt updated anymore12:04
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tadzikanyway, you still didn't say what's your problem with answering12:04
tadzikjust expressed your dissatisfaction that it's "hidden" in a pulley12:05
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TujuJoonaa: my local dealer is phasing out jolla from this country, it doesn't really sound "quite well" :)12:08
Joonaawell, check out the table kickstarter12:09
Joonaaim not sure how many times over they got the money they asked... but they got a lot12:09
TujuJoonaa: is that R&D money or long term production money?12:10
Joonaawell, they are going to be shipping tablets with that money12:10
ggabrielit's to power the fusion reactor12:11
Joonaahaha12:11
Nicd-actually it's to build more pulleys so Tuju can be more annoyed12:11
uuhimhereso theyre pulling out of the phone ma4ket?12:11
Tujusorry about my feedback, keep doing the all good work.12:12
Tujuwont happen again.12:12
ggabrieli don't think feedback is bad, it's just that there's been discussions over and over about the pulley menu12:13
ggabrieland there are topics in tjc12:13
ggabrielit can be better, sure12:13
ggabrielit's got disadvantages12:13
ggabrielbut it's got huge advantages too12:13
Nicd-and you could be less aggressive12:13
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uuhimhereso is therr going to be a jolla watch?12:13
ggabrielone slightly good idea was to activate it with 2 fingers from whenever12:14
ggabrielbut i'm not sure, there may be better ways12:14
ggabrieli personally found it annoying for the first time yesterday after scrolling a long list12:14
Joonaauuhimhere i sure hope not12:14
ggabrieland i've had the phone since dec '1312:14
Joonaai dont see smart watches working out..12:14
uuhimhereJoonaa: why? diversification = bad?12:14
TujuNicd-: i would have not guessed that you're so sensitive.12:14
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ggabrieluuhimhere: i'd be concerned about the limited resources they have12:15
Joonaauuhimhere no, i just dont see smart watches working out12:15
Joonaatldr waste of money12:15
tadzikin the age of big and clumsy phones, a phone remote is an interesting idea12:16
uuhimhereJoonaa: yeah i do think smartwatches are lame...12:16
Joonaabig and clumsy phones...12:17
ggabrieltadzik: like the htc?12:17
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ggabrieluhm...12:17
uuhimhereJoonaa: but they could still make watches... ala swatch12:17
ggabrieli'd fix the size of the phone :D12:17
Joonaado you mean like back in 90s?12:17
tadzikI mean like back in the 201412:17
tadzikpersonally I find Jolla too big too, I'd rather have it smaller12:17
ggabriel+112:17
ggabrieln9 was the perfect size for me12:17
Joonaareally?12:18
Joonaawell, maybe it is a bit big...12:18
Tujutadzik: agree, n9 is good size.12:18
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ggabrieland no clutter on the screen, it was as good as any sgs12:18
tadzikbut it's still nothing compared to faplets, or how do they call this bullshit12:18
uuhimhereJoonaa: yes the 90s was awesome for watches GSHOCK!12:18
Joonaai think the screen is fine, but overall the bezels are a bit too big12:18
tadzikJoonaa: I'd rather have it usable with just 1 hand12:18
ggabrieltadzik: phablets, you probably meant something else lol12:18
tadzikin the current size I can't comfortably reach all 4 corners of the screen with my thumk12:18
tadzikthumb*12:18
Joonaatadzik yeah thats how it would be usable :)12:18
uuhimheremaybe make a tamagotchi toh XD12:18
ggabrielotoh, sailfish is a lot better at one handed operations than meego12:19
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ggabrielwell, except for the lack of swype12:19
ggabrielthat's a shame12:19
kjetilhowhy make a watch?  make Pebble integration better first, IMHO12:20
uuhimheretamagotchi... now theres an app for a smartwatch12:20
uuhimherethe hells a pebble?12:21
kjetilhoare you serious?12:21
uuhimherey12:21
ggabriela smartwatch12:21
ursthe best selling smartwatch of the last 3 years or so, too.12:21
ggabrielpeople keep asking for integration, i'm not sure what integration is12:21
tadzikis it 3 years old? Wow, time flies :)12:21
ggabrieltime sync maybe12:21
tadzikkjetilho: what's it missing?12:21
ggabrielthat should be easy12:21
uuhimheresmartwatvhes sell? i thiught it was just a thing of curiosity... like the segway12:22
ggabrieluuhimhere: lol12:22
kjetilhotadzik: actually I don't know :)  I just got the Jolla, and my charger cable for my Pebble has gone missing...  waiting for replacement12:22
tadzikuuhimhere: segway sells too :P12:22
tadzikkjetilho: oh, you fud-spreader, you :P12:22
kjetilhosorry!12:23
tadzikkjetilho: I ordered mine a few weeks ago after I heard that the intergration is pretty much perfect12:23
uuhimhereuhh last i heard it was flop...12:23
kjetilhowoop woop, glad to hear12:23
tadzikso at least I'll report bugs :)12:23
ggabrielthe email application has a bug12:24
ggabrielif you scroll down a long list of emails and start deleting copiously12:24
ggabrielit crashes12:24
ggabrielhard to reproduce12:24
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uuhimhereso tgese smary watches, are they arm baased?12:25
mjrwrist, rather12:25
mjreh eh12:25
uuhimhereha12:25
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uuhimherefunny12:25
mjrbut iirc yes at least most of them12:26
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uuhimhereso u could run pcsxrearmed on them? xd\12:27
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tadzikkekek12:27
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cityoflights2is the wifi chip in my jolla allows wifi-direct ?12:32
cityoflights2wireless p2p12:32
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toerbdoes somebody know how long its takes till one gets the coupon for the jolla smartphone when perking for a tablet and a smartphone?12:45
Joonaai think someone this morning said he got it after 20 days12:47
toerbnot bad, just waiting for 8 days now12:48
MrSparrowFartso the tablet does it also have a powervr soc12:49
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phdeswerMrSparrowFart: nope. Specs are there, just go read them, no powervr12:58
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TMavicaI found 4 official ambiences got update, whats the changelog?13:25
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xfade_TMavica: Some localization fixes and black got a fix for cover color afaik.13:28
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TMavicaThx. Just found black got have different13:28
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Joonaahmm, was the pink cover supposed to have some sort of theme with it?13:31
Joonaai think the first time i put it on it gave me some sort of menu but i hit the screen while putting it on13:31
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xfade_Joonaa: each TOH has its own ambience13:34
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Joonaaso yes..13:34
Joonaahow do i get it?13:34
xfade_Connect your toh?13:34
Joonaai just took it off and put it on again but nothing happened13:34
xfade_Connect another one and then switch back the pink one?13:35
xfade_Or check in gallery to see if it is listed there already?13:35
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Joonaanope, not there13:36
Joonaabut i guess ill check it out once i get home13:36
Joonaathanks13:36
Nicd-the ambience also has to be favorited to activate when you connect the OH13:36
xfade_It might be that it needs another toh to recheck again..13:36
xfade_As afaik it remembers which toh you had on last, so it doesn't do popups all the time13:37
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reversepsychis there a tamagotchi toh?13:39
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Liekei wish jolla would use the changelog field in the store for their apps13:42
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_inte_my all time favourite would still be a smartcardreader-toh13:44
_inte_for gpg smarcards13:44
_inte_but i guess i mentioned that before :-)13:44
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_inte_btw: why does the recent warehous client always gives me timeouts while installing packages?13:47
_inte_wasnt the case in earlier versions13:47
schiggnHi! Someone knows what this means? "[W] contextFactory:108 - Could not create scene graph context for device 'customcontext' - check that plugins are installed correctly in /usr/lib/qt5/plugins"13:47
_inte_and is there a way to automatically update all never packages from warehouse?13:48
_inte_ah figured it out13:51
schiggn@inte: does pkcon update work for you (developer mode, terminal)13:51
_inte_just by using zypper update :)13:51
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_inte_schiggn: probably the same13:51
_inte_but thx anyways13:51
_inte_there should be a "update all" option in warehouse client13:51
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_inte_or sth like "select package to upgrade"13:52
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_inte_previously it wasnt too much a problem since one could select the next package to upgrade while another was in the process of updating, but since the recent version gives me so many timeouts its not possible to select another package while upgrading any longer13:54
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schiggnwell. it's a beta. contact the author and pray ;)13:56
Joonaapray or pay13:57
schiggnor both :D13:58
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_inte_:)14:08
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toerbafter two mails to the support I got my discount coupon :)14:11
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HtheBI have a serious battery problem. It shows 50%, but it's actually empty :/14:12
HtheBIt really bothers me14:12
HtheBIs there any way to calibrate it somehow?14:13
schiggnhttps://together.jolla.com/question/8562/battery-issue/14:13
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schiggnthere's much to read about... :)14:14
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HtheBschiggn: i've just read everything, there is nothing special over there14:15
anandrkrisHi - Just realized that Weather app has Settings under Setting > Apps...you have to scroll down till end :)14:15
schiggnthere's mentioned sth about mobile network and other threads concerning your problem. I think it is not really fixed right now.14:16
HtheBschiggn: I think you didnt understand my problem14:16
HtheBmy network here is just fine14:16
HtheBdoesn't switch at all :)14:16
HtheBmy battery shows 50%, but it's actually 0%14:17
HtheBit keeps on rebooting14:17
HtheBuntill i plug it into the charger14:17
HtheBI made a little video about it some time ago, please take a look14:17
schiggnok. now I understand your problem.14:17
schiggnits not refreshing battrery state below 50%.14:18
HtheBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLXcVzE2LE814:18
HtheBschiggn: not only 50%, on every state14:18
HtheBhere, i plug in a charger, and suddenly i gained SO MUCH battery :/14:18
HtheBthats not possible14:18
schiggn+1 for the parrot :D14:19
HtheBschiggn: xD14:19
HtheBsomething is really not right about this...14:23
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ggabrielHtheB: sounds like bad battery or something? i had similar situations when skiing and the temperature was very low (although I saw a temperature related warning)14:24
ggabrielor you have an advanced battery prototype14:25
HtheByeah, advanced battery.... that gets rebooted everytime I want to answer a phonecall..14:25
ggabrielwell, it's a prototype14:25
HtheBbecause the % isn't showing correctly14:25
HtheB:D14:26
ggabrieli do see a small difference between reboots in the battery charge14:26
ggabrielwhich is expected, or at least i've seen it in all my devices14:26
ggabrielbut yours is too much14:26
HtheByes, small difference.. not like 50%!?14:26
HtheB:P14:26
ggabrielyours is more like 34%14:26
ggabrielerm, 35%14:27
ggabrielbut yeah, bad battery maybe14:27
HtheBit differes every time14:27
HtheBdamn14:27
HtheBnow I need to contact the support AGAIN :(14:27
HtheBit's like the 4th time now that I sent my phone to them :( :(14:27
schiggndidn't find a solution too but there are many people sharing your tears;D14:27
ggabrielhopefully they can just send a battery?14:27
schiggn4th time???14:28
HtheBschiggn: yes, I have many bad luck with Jolla :(14:28
schiggndo NOT dry it in your microwave!14:28
HtheBeverytime, a different problem14:28
HtheBlike phone does not vibrate anymore14:28
HtheBscreen got a lot of yellow spots14:28
* Joonaa makes a mental note to not let HtheB touch his phone.14:29
HtheBand again, yellow spots, even after repair :/ (seems like they didn't control it?)14:29
schiggnhm. I do not have any issues with jolla. some android apps sometimes crash. but I do not have google store or similar, so it's just handmade.14:29
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HtheBschiggn: the problems that I have are all hardware related14:29
ggabrieli'm not sure why companies don't have a policy of just giving you a brand new device when you report a 2nd failure14:30
Joonaaits expensive14:30
Bawalhuh weird, i also noticed a yellow spot on my screen the other day. it doesn't seem to be quite permanent tho, it disappeared and appeared later again, it seems to come and go14:30
illusionzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/09/review_imagination_technologies_mips_creator_ci20_development_board/14:30
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Bawalatm i think it has something to do with heating14:30
ggabrielJoonaa: yeah, but a) what's the probability of it happening b) you get a lot more from your customer that way14:31
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HtheBBawal: go to "about:blank" in the browser14:31
HtheBits mostly noticeable on white pages14:31
Joonaaggabriel thats true14:31
Bawalas it seems to appear when recharging and using some heavy-ish apps, video streaming android software (twitch.tv) and recharging was the first time i noticed it14:31
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BawalHtheB: yeah and if you look at almost black screen from a very low angle you can see the anomaly in the screen14:32
HtheByup14:32
Bawalie. you pull down to lock the screen but don't let go, and then it's visible from a low angle14:32
HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9362414:32
Bawalyeah, the one i have is a lot smaller, on the same border of the phone tho. right in the middle of the screen14:34
Bawalplus it's not quite permanent14:34
HtheBmine was14:34
HtheBcybette: ping?14:35
cybetteHtheB: pong14:36
HtheBIs it possible to get a battery, and when I received, sent the old one back? :(14:36
HtheB(read above to see my problem)14:37
schiggnperhaps you may check battery temperature while on heavy load? I checked my phone right now for yellow spots but it seems like everything is ok... As I told before: pray and pay xD14:38
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uuhimheredid you know that forest gump was once the world no 1 ping pong player14:38
HtheBschiggn: its not heavy loaded at all...14:38
tadzikand an astronaut14:38
tadzikand a chessmaster14:38
schiggnAh. Bawal mentioned heavy load then.14:39
cybetteHtheB: you have to check with Jolla Care. I don't have all the access to e.g. battery stock and repair process. please make sure you give as much details as you can when you send your device in.14:40
HtheBthats the problem14:40
HtheBI dont want to be losing my phone AGIAN :(14:41
HtheBtook about 2 weeks last time14:41
politiefedexed14:41
Bawalschiggn: yeah, i think the damage on my screen is not that severe yet, it might be going to the HtheB-level direction though eventually. not gonna do anything yet, gonna monitor if the situation changes14:41
schiggnperhaps you should buy a second one, so one for use and one for repair...14:41
BawalHtheB: your screen, did it become worse gradually or everything at once?14:42
schiggnBawal: perhaps you may have a look at sensor-outpouts while on heavy load? I think theres a sensors daemon in dbus.14:42
inteTHAT is amazing14:44
HtheBaha14:44
inteive just learned that its not only possible to put an app into shortcuts14:44
intelike torch14:44
schiggncongrats :D14:45
inteits also possible to go into the torch menu and add the trigger14:45
HtheBAHA!14:45
intei always had the torch in the shortcuts14:45
HtheBI knew it!14:45
inteopened it and hit the trigger14:45
HtheBI just did a battery resistance test14:45
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HtheBit Failed14:45
intebut now its much more convenient, great!! :-)14:45
intejust added the dalvik switch from coderus and was wondering why i didnt have the trigger like he has in his screenshots14:46
inte:)14:46
inteamazing14:46
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HtheBwww.HtheB.com/list/images/jollabattery.jpg14:49
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kjetilhointe: what is this "torch" and "trigger"?14:50
intetorch is (i gues) a torch-app (flashlight) through patchmanager14:50
inteits in the settings menu after installation14:51
intewhen you open the torch-entry, you find the trigger to enable or disable the light14:51
intei always had the menupoint in my shortcuts menu as i wasnt aware that its also possible to link the trigger directly14:52
kjetilhohmm, I don't have anything like that I think?  running 1.1.2.1614:52
intehttps://openrepos.net/content/sfietkonstantin/torch-plugin-jolla-settings14:54
kjetilhoaha.  so I need to add another App store?14:55
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intebest to install the openrepos client called "warehouse"14:55
coderusinte: better install powermenu and activate torch by power button doubleclick :D14:55
intecoderus: nice :)14:56
kjetilhocoderus: ehm, I don't think I want to risk turning on the flashlight by accident in my pocket :)14:56
kjetilhothat happens all too often with a Samsung "feature phone" I use sometimes.14:56
coderuskjetilho: i never had accident press on any button in jolla, also doubleclick :D14:59
intekjetilho: https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos14:59
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kjetilhoso much to learn...15:00
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SfietKontantinWPSA: SailfishOS, open source, collaboration meeting starting on #mer-meeting15:00
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HtheBjust made a new ticket again :(15:03
integood luck15:04
intereplacement battery maybe15:04
intebtw15:04
inteHtheB: which charger are you using?15:04
HtheBinte: default one, why15:04
intei had similar issues when using a N900 charger15:04
HtheBhmm15:05
HtheBI did charge my phone before with that charger15:05
intei kept theese issues for a few cycles even after I reverted to the genuine charger15:05
HtheBbut never had any issues15:05
HtheBi see15:05
HtheBwe'll see what they say :)15:05
uuhimherebest way to rescusitate a desd bat is to hoo it up to a car batt and bring the emgine rpm up to 5krpm15:05
intewhen was the last time you used the n900 one?15:05
inteis the mer-meeting open question?15:09
uuhimhereyes as in ask i brought chips who brought the dip15:11
HtheBinte: I dont remember it anymore15:13
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thpSfietKontantinW: is there a list of all patches for patch manager?16:29
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fluxhmh, latest upgrade says it brought aacplus support to gstreamer (didn't it?) yet sailwave is unable to play such streams, tells me that gstreamer is missing a plugin16:34
coderusthp: i'm trying to update wiki every week: https://github.com/sailfishos-patches/patchmanager/wiki/Patches-list16:36
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coderusBattery Overlay - Simple colored line on top of everything to display bettery charge percentage. Have fun! :) https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/battery-overlay16:52
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ikaruscoderus: interesting16:53
ikarusreminds me, I need to make something to show the wifi network picked in a swipe16:54
ikaruspreferably, I'd also have a priority list16:54
inteany plans on bluetooth support for android applications running in dalvik?16:57
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tadzikcoderus: oh, speaking of patches: Sneak Peak should probably be called Sneak Peek :) Sneak Peak is like Stealth Mountain17:04
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schiggnis there a signal one may get on minimizing apps to cover and back?17:13
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coderustadzik: yes, but it's too late to rename everything :)17:24
coderusschiggn: yes, there is coverStatus signal on session dbus17:24
tadzik:) alright17:24
coderusschiggn: if you want it for your app you should use cover status property17:25
schiggnthanks! sometimes its that easy...and thinking that complicated :D17:25
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ikarusah, that sounds like a solution for my non-Qt app to have a cover image atleast17:27
coderusschiggn: btw, #sailfishos is for developing, this one for any random questions about jolla company and devices17:27
coderusikarus: lol17:27
schiggncoderus: ok. thank you. I'll join it :)17:27
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ikaruscoderus: existing SDL code base, porting it is annoying17:28
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Stskeepsawesome: https://danielrapp.github.io/doppler/18:27
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M4rtinKcool!18:32
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lpotterStskeeps: MS did this 3 years ago... http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/groups/cue/SoundWave/18:32
Stskeepsyeah18:32
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lpotterahh, I see the readme mentions this :)18:34
lpotterthat is one of the things i was just starting to research when nokia sold Qt/shut the Brissie office18:35
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M4rtinKwho will be the first to do QML bindings for this ? :)18:39
M4rtinKI did QR code rendering QML bindings recently, so someone else needs to do that :)18:40
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Teemuoh dang, att goes to release software defined networks as something you can actually rent18:48
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messertingHi, I can't figure out how to setup a XMPP account on my Jolla.18:58
messertingI've got a jabber.org account, and it worke in KDE telepathy18:59
messertingOn the Jolla, I can't manage to get it online ("available")18:59
messerting(I don't want to "ignore SSL errors")18:59
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chem|stmesserting: well then no jabber.org for you as ssl error is an unknown cert already (no idea if it is really that but I could not figure out how to get it working without ignoring ssl errors)19:02
messertingchem|st: ok, but in kde telepathy I have "require secure connection" ticked, and that works. Strange.19:02
messertingI also got an member.fsf.org account. would be surprised if that also has an invalid cert?19:03
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messertingchem|st: ok, now I think I understand what you mean: https://together.jolla.com/question/4998/xmpp-other-than-google-talk-does-not-work/19:08
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HarhaanJohtajaanyone else got this if you are trying to search something with  google by typing to adress bar in jolla browser:19:18
HarhaanJohtajahttp://i.imgur.com/HQ8PtDL.png19:18
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Morpog_PC__HarhaanJohtaja, works fine here19:21
attahHarhaanJohtaja: Being MITM'ed?19:23
HarhaanJohtajafirefox works fine19:26
HarhaanJohtajaand going to google and doing the search there19:26
messertingchem|st: Thanks - adding the cert and restarting made my jabber.member.fsf.org account work19:28
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attahDoes anyone know how stuff makes it from TJC to the internal bug tracker? (i.e. why isn't there a "seen" tag on TJC?)19:33
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attahOr is it truly sufficient to tag stuff with "bug"?19:35
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r0kk3rzattah: thats what they say19:54
r0kk3rzany time we bring up the topic of a bug tracker they say that tagging things as bugs in TJC works for them19:54
loicm_just want to say hello from my new phone... a jolla :)19:55
Morpog_PC__hello :D19:55
Morpog_PC__have fun with it19:55
attahr0kk3rz: okay :) hope it's true.. have a nagging feeling some might fly under the radar19:55
r0kk3rzattah: theres probably quite a bit that flies under the radar19:56
loicm_Morpog_PC thanks :)19:56
r0kk3rzbut they usually have a long list of fixed bugs every release, so progress is being made19:57
attahr0kk3rz: that's where the "seen" tag would help a bit19:57
attahdefinitely! not really complaining about the progress.. just the pre-fix feedback19:57
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sakustaroh my, i love these: http://www.amazon.com/eForCity-Universal-Anti-Slip-Compatible-Samsung/dp/B006EB6M2O (bought random ones)22:50
sakustarif it can hold a surface pro + type cover.. http://imgur.com/a/XjMbL22:50
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firegloweyy scottc22:54
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krthey there, is there a way to download a package from the jolla store / harbour?23:50
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krtlet me rephrase that: i don't have a jolla device nor do i have an account for the store. however, i'd like to poke at the fdroid package that has been published there.23:51
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silver_hookIf you need a Jolla account for that, I volunteer to help krt there.23:55
silver_hookSo even the figuring out where the .apk downloaded from the Jolla Store are, would help us :)23:56
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