#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2015-03-11

silver_hookkrt: I think I got it00:06
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Ponchalehi02:42
HtheBhi02:45
Ponchalegood night or good morning while I contact a user carsten.munk@jolla.com to discuss an alliance with Jolla and as yet have received no answer would know how the topic02:50
illusionzPonchale, Stskeeps  is the man you want03:11
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YanielPonchale: patience, it is just 07:50 in Finland05:50
EzkoPonchale: finland is gmt+2 and normal office hours are 8-1605:52
Ponchaleok thanks :)05:52
Ponchaleour interest is high so our insistence05:52
Yanielgood :)05:54
UnbreakablePonchale, what is the name of your company05:55
PonchaleEasyLabs05:56
Ponchalehttp://easylabs.org05:56
Ponchalehttps://www.facebook.com/easylabs05:56
StskeepsPonchale: you sent an e-mail to carsten.munk@jolla.com ? i haven't received anything?05:57
Ponchaleyou would send the same day05:58
Ponchaleel subject is Alliance From Colombia05:59
Stskeepsah, now i see it, was in spam folder05:59
Stskeepsi'll put it in my e-mail processing of today05:59
Ponchaleexcellent06:00
Ponchalewe are already seeing the documentation to migrate applications we have in Android and IOS for Sailfish06:03
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PonchaleStskeeps thanks for the info I expect a prompt response07:27
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inte`morning07:44
inte`were there to different "best mobile tablets" awards at MWC?07:45
Stskeepssure07:45
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Stskeepsthis one was by trustedreviews.com07:45
inte`or how does this: http://www.winbeta.org/news/mwc-2015-microsoft-surface-pro-3-wins-gsma-award-best-mobile-tablet go together with that: http://tablet-news.com/2015/03/05/mwc-2015-jolla-tablet-wins-best-tablet-of-mobile-world-congress-2015-award/07:45
inte`what is trusted reviews?07:45
Stskeepssome other awards are by GSMA (organisers), where you have to pay to particupate07:45
inte`ah07:45
inte`i see07:46
Stskeepswhich is rather ironic :)07:46
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inte`Stskeeps: but if you get awarded by that you get a logo which you can put on you site07:46
inte`:)07:46
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Stskeepsi personally prefer an award by a good site07:47
Stskeeps:P07:47
inte`so, trusted reviews is a online magazin comparable to e.g. zdnet I guess07:47
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inte`or is there some more "trust" in trusted reviews?07:47
Stskeepsyes07:48
inte`i read on trusted reviews once in a while but i can't say if this site is particularly good07:48
Stskeepsit's a big one from UK supposedly07:48
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inte`and they live from ads07:49
Stskeepsdon't we all.. :P07:49
inte`so its rather cool to have jolla winning their award since jolla doesnt spent too much on marketing07:49
inte`:)07:49
inte`damned with my adblock in charge i cant really see who is sponsoring that site :-P07:50
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stephgtrustedreviews isn't small no08:06
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cityoflights2hi, I managed to run the intel project for miracast on a beaglebone08:45
cityoflights2I now want to run this on my jolla08:45
cityoflights2first question, does jolla support wifi direct (p2p) ?08:45
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cityoflights2dis anyone installed wpa_suppliact from source on the phone?08:46
cityoflights2is there a gcc that runs on the jolla08:46
cityoflights2?08:46
fluxafaik no support for wifi direct, but maybe it's enough that the other endpoint supports it. maybe.08:46
cityoflights2https://github.com/01org/wysiwidi08:47
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cityoflights2it does seem easy: build new connman , new wpa_suppliacat, install gstreamer 1.0 then install wysiwidi08:48
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Sail0rhttps://together.jolla.com/question/86235/keira-black-update-010/ !08:49
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tadzikoh look, a free keira background :D09:02
Sail0ruse google search ^^09:05
Sail0ryou found it everywhere before :P09:05
tadzikI wasn't looking ;)09:05
tadzikI'm content with the stock grass image09:06
Sail0rwell I bought it even when i found it elsewhere to support jolla ^^09:06
Sail0rbut now it looks ugly :x09:06
Liekei didn't even notice a difference09:06
Sail0ryou have to have a good monitor09:06
Sail0rthe bottom one is much brighter and more grey09:06
Sail0rand so everything becomes grey on jolla09:06
Liekeyes, on the monitor i can see the diff09:06
Liekebut not so much on my jolla09:07
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Sail0rthe appcovers are much brighter now09:10
Sail0rthat sucks09:10
Liekei mean, i've been using lime and just checked keira when the update came to see what changed, so i don't have the old keira fresh in my mind09:12
Liekebut it looks fine to me09:12
Sail0rIf you used the old one before as daily one09:13
Sail0ryou notice the difference09:13
Sail0rI don't know why they play with the ambiences in that way09:13
Sail0rI think there are more important things and why changing something that people bought "as is"09:14
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Sail0rit's like repainting my car after 3 months because $vendor thinks the blue is not bright enough ^^09:15
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ArmadilloSail0r haha, great comparison :D09:29
coderusimho they just updated highlight colors of ambiences, no? or backgrounds have been changed also?09:32
Armadillojust compare the two images I posted in the thread09:33
Sail0rthe new background image is brighter09:34
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fluxisn't there some new general color adjustement feature for ambiences? maybe it's interacting with this.09:39
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ggabrieli wonder if i'll have to get a new jolla soonish... i've got a few more cracks :S10:13
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cityoflights2can anyone run this on the jolla:10:44
cityoflights2sudo iw list10:44
cityoflights2do you see any P2P?10:44
cityoflights2it does support P2P-GO10:45
ninnnuhttp://ninnnu.kuism.at/iw-jolla.txt10:46
cityoflights2ok have wpa_supplicant v2.2, we need 2.3 for miracast10:47
cityoflights2no connmanctl - odd, but the version is 1.2, we need 1.2810:48
cityoflights2any idea which versions are in sailfish 2.0?10:49
the_mgtwhat's the markete penetration of miracast?10:49
the_mgton the reception side, I mean10:49
cityoflights2I use it10:49
cityoflights2and will soon use it at the office now that I can with my linux laptop10:50
cityoflights2useful feature10:50
cityoflights2guess I have to learn how to build a package for the jolla on my laptop now10:50
cityoflights2does jolla have a gcc package?10:50
the_mgtI only read about chromecast sticks and airplay features, I have yet to find a device in a store that festures miracast10:50
cityoflights2easier to build on the jolla - no?10:51
the_mgtcityoflights2: use the SDK?10:51
cityoflights2the_mgt: lots of them on amazon10:51
cityoflights2yep - the SDK10:51
the_mgtyeah, there are dongles, but I meant TV sets, beamers or av receivers10:53
Nicd-afaik you can run gcc on the phone itself but it's extremely slow10:53
cityoflights2assume sailfish upgrade gstreamer ->1.0 and connman and wpa_sup, it would be easy to run miracast10:55
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pancakehey10:58
henkAnyone here who knows or can do something about »H=mailer.jolla.com [54.229.79.85] F=<no-reply@jolla.com> rejected after DATA: syntax error in 'Reply-To:' header when scanning for sender: domain missing or malformed in "welcome-tveyd8aw4wl7u@"«?10:58
Stskeepstigeli: ^10:58
pancakeis there any sf2 img for n950?10:58
coderuspancake: sure, but you need time machine to get it10:59
henkStskeeps: thanks, and hi (I think I "know" you from somewhere)10:59
Stskeepshenk: of course you do11:00
henkStskeeps: ah, yes, unrealircd (:11:01
Stskeepshehe11:01
Stskeepsso long ago :P11:01
pancakecoderus: this means no :P11:02
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cityoflights2ninnnu: thanks11:10
pancakehttp://images.formeego.org/n950/sailfish/11:10
pancakeso this is the latest thing i can use in n950?11:10
pancakeor do i have to throw it to the trash?11:10
cityoflights2sell me your n95011:12
pancakethe sim slot is broken11:13
pancakeand i was willing to use it for something, thats why im asking for an updated OS11:13
cityoflights2ok, I will discount the price11:13
ln-yeah, the value of a working n950 is about 1000€, surely a broken sim slot makes it worth nothing.11:14
henkStskeeps: Yep, it’s been a while. I’m surprised that you do seem to remember me, though.11:14
pancake1000e? lol11:14
Stskeepshenk: rings a bell11:16
henk(:11:17
leinirOh, if someone wants to pay me a thousand euromonies for it, i've got a fully functioning n950 sat here in a box11:18
fennekkineat11:19
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, but multiview support any time soon ?11:31
Stskeepswhat?11:31
dr_gogeta86split screen11:31
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coderusleinir: nice to see somebody have fully functioning n950 in a box while many developers havent got developer devices when harmattan started ;)11:38
leinirWell, it was my phone for some time, and i helped in distributing a fair amount of N9s around to people inside KDE :)11:40
pphopefully tohkbd will make it completely obsolete and we can just move on11:41
ppI saw one once, and loved it, mind you :-)11:42
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leinirThey are astonishingly pretty devices :)11:46
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kennaeheya11:55
kennaeI got a jolla phone some time ago from a friend but I can't get it to update past 1.0.2.511:55
kennaetried to reset the phone few times and I get the 1.0.2.5 update and it updates fine11:56
kennaeafter that I just get "up to date" after checking updates11:56
kennaeI can install stuff from the shop but updates for some apps are stalling11:56
kennaemy jolla account works fine and I have tried to reset it, no change11:57
kennaeusing a stable connection etc.11:57
Nicd-kennae: factory reset, add jolla account, then upgrade upgrade upgrade11:57
Nicd-don't touch dev mode, don't install apps, don't do anything else11:57
kennaeI just did that a moment ago11:57
kennaedidn't even put in my sim card11:57
kennaetried all the how-tos I could find11:58
Nicd-and you're sure you did nothing else but add your jolla account and then try upgrading?11:59
Nicd-after resetting the phone12:00
kennaeyes, very sure12:00
kennaesince I just did it for the second time a few hours ago12:00
kennaeI can try again if there is nothing else to try12:00
coderuskennae: you on 1.0.2.5 now?12:00
kennaeyes coderus12:00
coderusshow output of ssu re, ssu fl, ssu domain12:01
kennaefrom?12:01
coderusterminal12:01
kennaesec12:01
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kennaessu re: device release is currently: 1.0.2.5, fl: dev flavour: release, domain: dev domain is: sales12:03
coderusseems good, well, you can try to upgrade manually to 1.0.3.8, hope you will get automatic update after that version12:03
kennaethat is what I wanted to know12:04
coderusdo: ssu re 1.0.3.8; version --dup12:04
kennaehow can I do manual update12:04
kennaethanks!12:04
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cityoflights2pancake: well, just remember my offer12:35
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cityoflights2I just installed the SDK for the first time I see the QT creater12:42
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cityoflights2how to compile wpa_supplicant 2.3  in the SDK?12:42
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Armadillochem|st thanks ;)12:50
chem|stArmadillo: you are welcome12:50
chem|stneed any help?12:50
chem|stor is that what you were looking for?12:50
Armadilloyes and no12:50
chem|stjust ask!12:51
Armadilloit brings back the old version of keira black, but it will remain as old package in the store12:51
Armadilloso no "update all" is possible12:51
Armadillowell it's ossible, but you know what I mean ;)12:51
chem|stah, you are doing it wrong ;)12:51
Armadillopossible12:51
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Armadillooh12:51
chem|stdownload the package12:51
Armadillodone12:51
Armadilloinstaled it via pkcon install-local12:51
chem|stextract the picture, overwrite the one in /usr/share/ambience/ambience-black/12:52
chem|stdon't install the old package^^12:52
Armadillohm12:52
Armadillonot a bad idea indeed12:52
Armadillo:)12:52
chem|sthehe12:53
chem|stthat is what I did with all the other updated pictures so far12:54
Armadillohehe12:54
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Armadillothanks again :)12:55
chem|stI have a folder in $HOME, ambiences with a .nomedia file in it so it does not get into trackerDB, there I store all iterations, so I can roll back to any previous setup12:55
pancakecityoflights2: there's a sticker that sales NOT FOR SALE12:57
chem|stpancake: but get the simslot repaired!12:59
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pancakewhy13:01
pancakeif i cant do anything with it13:02
pancakenokia will not fix it, and this will require soldering and delicate unmounting and such, i have 20 other phones i would use before this one as a <phone>13:03
chem|stno sailfish?13:03
pancakei have meego in here13:03
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pancakei would be happy to use it to test/develop for sailfish213:03
pancakebut there's no such thing13:03
chem|styou wont get a baked sfos2 on there (ever)13:04
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tigelihenk: your mailservers rejects mails from mailer.jolla.com?13:14
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henktigeli: My mailserver rejects broken mail.13:16
henktigeli: If mailer.jolla.com only sends broken mail, then your statement is correct as well (;13:17
henkerr, then the answer to your question is "yes", I mean. Sorry.13:18
tigelihenk: well the mailer.jolla.com is just smtp-server delivering mail from clients ;)13:19
tigelinow I would have to find what sends those broken emails :D13:20
tigelihenk: can I get the email-address in which that mail was sent to?13:21
henktigeli: Can I /query you the full logs (3 lines)?13:21
tigelihenk: sure13:22
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mariodHello everyone :)16:21
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mariodhmmm ... trying for a reboot16:22
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fluxhmm, I noticed that after the latest upgrade call recorder doesn't anymore get the phone number to the file name17:01
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stephghey what do all the updated ambience package changes er change?17:45
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ShadowJKI wish jolla would do changelogs :)18:03
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Morpog_PC__for it's apps?18:03
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messertingHi, anyone knows where the Jolla Store caches its .apk files? I'd like to backup an Android app.18:14
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junnuviinstalled apps are in /opt/alien/data/app18:16
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StskeepsEnlightened: http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795/7918:19
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PonchaleStskeeps Hi18:20
Stskeepshi18:21
Ponchalehow are you18:21
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Stskeepsi'm good, happy after a long work day18:21
Ponchalethat such a day?18:22
Stskeepshehe, at jolla even long days are good days :)18:22
Ponchalethan answers gave you my email?18:22
Ponchaleif we want to be part also18:23
StskeepsPonchale: yeah, i've forwarded it to the right person, he'll take hand around it18:23
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Ponchaledid not understand that last18:25
StskeepsPonchale: as in, i forwarded the mail to another person in jolla who'll handle it18:26
Ponchaleaaa OK18:29
Ponchaleexcellent Stskeeps18:29
Ponchalethanks18:29
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messertingjunnuvi: Thanks! Found my app there :)19:12
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Stskeepsi think my evening is going to be spent reading all the comments on http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795/1 - about EFL20:38
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scottcthis is amazing20:43
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Stskeeps.. still reading. so amazing.20:57
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r0kk3rzto think tizen is geared towards EFL21:00
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svuorelar0kk3rz: they have hired both people able to hack on EFL to work on tizen.21:17
r0kk3rzby the sounds of it, EFL isnt worth saving21:18
r0kk3rzbroken by design comes to mind21:18
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the_mgtI used enlightenment17 (using efl) since it was in it's earliest stages. only stopped using it because I bought a mac. still, I find that enlightenment is the only low footprint desktop I can use without my eyes bleeding from all the nerd porn present in linux window managers21:37
the_mgtqt might be easier to program, but if you used it without the full kde environment, applications using it were buttugly and getting a nice theme to work was hell of a job.21:40
phlixii can not read the comments on the posting, wow, what a f*cked up system21:42
phlixiseems to repeat everything arbitrary once you unfold answers to one posting21:42
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the_mgtI stopped reading the posting21:46
the_mgtOn the Cebit 2011, when the enlightenment guys were there, I saw rasterman showing of a phone using efl. it was f**king fast and performant, even in software rendering mode21:48
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the_mgtI'd still like to get my hands on a tizen phone, just to see how much the marketing deparment buttraped it21:50
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r0kk3rzit'll be interesting to see21:54
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ElleoI did a bit of dev with EFL back when OpenMoko was using it; didn't find it too bad, kind of verbose and a bit tricky to get started with at first, but not unbearable22:46
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ElleoQt and QML are much nicer though22:47
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HtheBare there any people here from china?22:50
HtheBor hongkong22:50
falfano22:54
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lazy_bumHi.22:56
lazy_bumIs there some easy way to delete emails?22:56
fennekki?22:57
fennekkilike22:57
fennekkimore than one at a time?22:57
lazy_bumYes, like 500 at a time.22:57
lazy_bumWithout the tap tap tap tap tap...22:57
fennekkiprobably not22:57
fennekkibut idk22:57
fennekkiI haven't found a way, anyway22:57
lazy_bumAn automagic BCC and mass delete would be awesome.22:58
lazy_bumI wonder if "rm (a lot of files)" in mail dir would be bad idea or very bad idea. ;)22:59
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phlixilazy_bum: I assume your mailbox is not accessable via IMAP and you do not have a full pc, because the obious way then would be to not do it on the phone...23:33
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