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jaacoppiphdeswer: don't give a beer to a guy driving a tank06:32
zuttoyes06:33
zuttovodka is much better for that situation06:33
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Teemutank?06:37
tbrfor context: http://www.bfst.de/fipix/v/c304/06:37
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Teemuahh06:39
Teemuunstoppable06:40
tbrit goes places06:41
tbr_and_ it comes back from those06:41
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Teemuindeed06:42
Teemuallthough, if you manage to get it stuck, you'll have easily a day or two of work cut out for you06:43
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tbryeah, a winch is pretty high on my wish list06:49
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Teemuwinching that needs quite a winch, also when its stuck its _stuck_ so a crew of men with spades are also needed06:50
Teemui mean, 6x6 with portal axles and locking diffs will go very far in bad places :)06:51
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tbryes and I have no intention to go places where this can get stuck, because then you have a _real_ problem07:14
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tbrheh, predictably in the phoronix comments you can find this "Jolla phones are not an option as those even have big problems in the userspace code."07:25
Stskeepstbr: ad honimem attacks are so much fun too07:26
Stskeepser, ad hominem07:26
tbryeah...07:26
entilbig problems in the userspace code? wonder what they mean by that07:27
tbrit's a rather undefined jab. conveniently.07:28
tbrI _suspect_ someone is taking issue in the fact that jolla has considerable parts of userspace under proprietary licenses07:28
entilI can think of maybe one dead-horse-style problem07:28
entiltbr: that'd be the worst reason07:28
tbrwhich is a bit of a different issue than a blatant GPL violation07:28
Stskeepstbr: not that a ubuntu image doesn't have parts such as here..07:29
entilthe most open phone on the planet - not open enough07:29
Stskeepsbut anyway, that's not relevant to the conversation07:29
Stskeeps:P07:29
tbrand should be seen separately07:29
tbrexactly07:29
keesjis security well aranged?07:29
entilI'd guess it has to do with access permissions on the apps07:29
entilbut then again, it could be a troll07:30
tbranyone know if there is a canonical statement by now?07:30
tbrI'm really interested to hear their side of the story07:30
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Stskeepstbr: there is07:31
Stskeepslinked at blog07:31
* tbr goes to check07:32
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tbrStskeeps: not that it was much easier to obtain reasonable sources from Jolla either *cough* snailmailed blank DVDs *cough* images.formeego.org/jolla *cough*07:38
tbrbut at least those don't seem to have big licensing issues07:38
entil"[ ]official tarballs are now at releases.sailfishos.org"07:44
entilhttp://releases.sailfishos.org/07:44
stephgmeh most of the phoronix comments are silly (as per usual I suppose)07:44
entil403 Forbidden07:44
jaacoppiexcuse me, but what url are you talking about?07:47
Stskeepstbr: sure; but there's a source code offer on how to get it; the method sucks, agreed07:48
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tbrentil: have you checked in the file?07:48
tbrIIRC I put the URL inside as a filename can't contain slashes ;)07:48
tbrStskeeps: yes07:49
entiltbr: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/313/189/7e4.jpg07:49
Stskeepstbr: i started reading gplv3 yesterday07:50
stephgyou must be really sick ;)07:50
entilseems that /sources/ path is missing the latest update anyway07:50
Stskeepsprobably connected to me being on sick leave07:51
Nicd-what phoronix comments?07:51
tbrentil: I guess that procedure hasn't changed07:51
Stskeepsit happened while on mwc07:51
Nicd-url?07:51
tbrentil: procedure being: poke carsten and be nice to him and wait a week or two07:51
entilI always try to be nice to him :S07:51
Stskeepsyeah.. it was on the top of my list until my child started vomiting that same week07:51
Stskeepsand then i fell in07:51
tbrentil: you can always mail a blank DVD to the stated address, that's what I kept doing initially before we settled for direct upload to my machine. :>07:51
tbrnot that it would be any faster07:52
entilheh, maybe some automatic glue in cron to do that :D07:52
tbrentil: apparently it's a bit of a manual process of dumping things out of OBS and sanitizing the outcome. Surely could use improvement, but nobody has time to automate repetitive tasks07:53
tbralso I'd always want to have a human check in the end07:53
Stskeepsi hope to be back in full force monday07:53
tbrdon't want to accidentally drop some proprietary sources or release some wrong version that has proprietary headers, etc07:54
Stskeepstbr: it's certainly a good way to walk the plank07:54
tbrlike that samsung exfat driver back then :>07:55
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jaacoppiNicd-: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?115968-The-BQ-Aquaris-Ubuntu-Phone-s-Kernel-Appears-To-Be-A-Toxic-Mess/page208:08
Yanielhow am I not even surprised08:09
entilnow in context the quoted sentence looks like it is referring to licensing issues08:09
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Nickleuhey guys, I'm writing a little app which has 13 sliders. i put these sliders in a Column tag, but when i try to run it only 4 sliders can be shown on the screen and   I can't scroll down to operate the rest of the sliders, how can I fix that?08:19
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entilNickleu: when I had a question like that it was better asked on #sailfishos08:25
entil(and, sorry, I can't remember qml at all.. I picked up enough of it to get by what I was supposed to get by)08:25
Nickleuentil: ok still thanks08:26
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lainwir3d__o/09:00
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scottcNickleu: look for "VerticalScrollBar" in the component gallery example project, it should have something similar that you can base your design on09:08
Nickleuscottc: thank you for the hint , i should check that out ad soon as i get home09:12
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scottcNickleu: no problem! it's where I found lots of good examples myself, so i know it's good :)09:18
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Bysmyyrhmm, I cannot restore my contacts from backup10:43
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chem|stBysmyyr: you can navigate to the exported file and move it to whereever jolla needs it to have it imported11:03
BysmyyrI tried to import it but it never stopped. mow I tried older backup and that looks like working11:04
chem|stBysmyyr: you mean the file is corrupted? or did you try the backup GUI in settings?11:05
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BysmyyrI tried to import it vie filemanager also11:06
chem|stno idea if that is working so well?!11:07
Bysmyyr?11:07
chem|stimport from filemanager vs "import from file" in people settings11:07
Bysmyyrthat is basicly the same, but wht is the otwer way to do that?11:08
Bysmyyrnow I restored somewhat working version11:08
chem|stthe other way: iirc go to settings->apps->people to import from file11:19
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tango_I have very oily fingers, is there a way to prevent my jolla display from becoming a pure layer of grease when I use it?12:08
urswell yes: tohkbd. :)12:10
ursthen you'll get a greasy keyboard, but a clean screen!12:11
SQUelcherwhich is fine, so the keys won't squeak :P12:11
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jaacoppior go to settings->system->screen and tick "don't get oily"12:13
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SpeedEvil:)12:16
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kjetilhotango_: there are oleophobic coating kits available12:22
kjetilho(it's a chemical you apply to your screen and let dry)12:22
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kjetilhoI haven't tried any of them, so can't recommend a brand.12:22
tango_urs: I'm waiting for the kbd as well, let's see how much it fixes 8-D12:23
tango_jaacoppi: damn, do you have a beta testing version? mine doesn't have that option12:24
tango_kjetilho: I'll look into them12:24
tango_thanks12:24
urscarve a bar of soap into the shape of a other half, snap it onto the back, use it to de-grease your fingers. :)12:25
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tango_maybe I'll paint my fingers wit that oleophobic kit12:25
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SpeedEvilThe screen protector I got doessn't seem to get prints easily13:31
SpeedEvilbut unfortuantely, I don't know details of it13:31
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tango_SpeedEvil: also maybe your fingers aren't as greasy as mine13:43
tango_I mean, I manage to stripe things even _right after_ washing my hands13:43
tango_how cool is that?13:43
SpeedEvilPerhaps13:43
SpeedEvilMaybe it might be simpler just to butter the phone.13:43
tango_that would have been SO great if we as a species still relied on marking territory as a way to dominate13:43
tango_otoh nobody wants to use my keyboards, which is a nice thing13:44
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locusfmuch lols at ijnpivnjrvi15:21
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Yaniel:D15:25
tango_wha?15:25
Yanielthey should use that just to freak out foreigners15:25
Yaniel"do you even pronounce this?!"15:25
locusfhttps://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-3/15:26
locusfits already true15:26
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Yanielaww yiss15:27
uuhimhereso jollas givin up on phines15:30
Yanielwhen did they say that?15:31
Yanielthe next device being a tablet doesn't mean there won't be more phones after it15:31
tadzikJolla 2 is now Half-Life 315:31
tadziknobody ever said it'll be there, but people are going apeshit and desperate over it15:32
Yanielbhehe15:32
tadzik(except that I didn't already beat my Jolla and it doesn't end with a cliffhanger)15:32
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uuhimherei havent played hl215:33
Yanielyou did it wrong then15:33
uuhimheredo u get to play in zen again15:33
uuhimherelocusf: hows the sailpi15:33
Yaniellike everyday there is this huge question if the battery will last15:33
Yanieland then the day is over15:34
uuhimherelocusf: that bad huh15:39
uuhimherelocusf: so did u ever get a battery15:43
locusfuuhimhere: yeah didn't boot rpi this week, its the same as last time15:45
locusfuuhimhere: so nothing new15:45
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uuhimherelocusf: did u ever solbe the qt issue15:57
locusfuuhimhere: yeah I did, now its just the compositors shader16:02
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uuhimherelocusf: did u try any games on it16:45
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krnlynghi, any jollagram users/devs here? i am trying to use jollagram but my sent messages are not received by other users (i can only receive messages) and i cannot add contacts17:04
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g`hello everybody19:36
g`i'm getting the "Host requires authentication" with ssu register19:36
g`domain is sales and version is the latest available, credentials are correct since i can login from the web interface19:36
g`any advice?19:36
g`also, the device is registered in my account19:37
Nicd-what's ssu registeR?19:38
g`it's to save credentials to access pkcon repos19:39
g`it's the same of inserting credentials in developer mode19:39
Nicd-but aren't those only for jolla devs?19:39
g`all coounts works for the dev area too19:40
g`*accounts19:40
Nicd-at least they used to be for jolla devs only19:40
g`you should be able to login to https://harbour.jolla.com/19:41
g`with your standard jolla credentials19:41
Nicd-yes, but that's harbour19:41
Nicd-but I dunno, someone wiser should speak instead of me19:42
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kimmolidont enable ssu register on dev mode page...19:42
g`i got mine yesterday so obviously i can be wrong19:42
g`?19:42
kimmoliyou need only to use jolla account, from settings>accounts19:43
g`does that work with ssu?19:43
kimmolifor jolla repos afaik19:43
g`seems like it did't with me19:44
g`i tried pkcon before trying to register, and it sayd that i was missing credentials19:44
kimmolipkcon works as root, devel-su19:45
g`so what's ssu for?19:45
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kimmolissu in terminal?19:45
g`ssu in general, what are that credentials for?19:46
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kimmoliyou can add your own repositories, and manage them19:46
g`and where i get them?19:46
kimmolithe ssu under developer mode is for development updates, only available for Jolla employees19:46
g`ah19:47
g`that's clear now, thank you19:47
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Tofefrankly, guys, how do you choose your update names? I mean, do you try different names until the people in front of you have big round eyes saying "wtf ?!"21:04
raa700they are names of finnish lakes21:05
Ezkoyes21:06
raa700in alphabetical order21:06
Ezkowhat21:06
TofeI know, but I know finnish lakes that have very decent names :)21:06
TofeEzko: ä is after z in finnish21:07
Ezkoyeah i got it now21:07
Tofe(and there is maybe no z originally when I think about it...)21:07
Ezkoi just thought that there are probably like 1000 lakes that start with Aa21:07
Ezkobut yea definitely no lakes that start with z or x21:08
Ezkoor c21:08
Ezkoor even c or g probably21:08
Ezkob or g21:08
Tofethere is only one letter in finnish: "a".21:08
falfayes, all words are made up with that21:09
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Nicd-Tofe: aaaa a  a aaaa a AA aAA A AAAAAAaa aaaaaa21:24
Nicd-aaaa?21:24
Stskeepsnext versions will be random successive digits of pi?21:24
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TofeNicd-: a.21:29
TofeStskeeps: please do, and put "järvi" at the end :)21:29
r0kk3rzsurely you could just have a map of finland as a dart board21:30
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Tofe"trees... trees... trees... ah ! lake !"21:30
r0kk3rzor be super nerdy and encode pi as ascii and append jarvi or lampi at the end21:30
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attahor just go with järvilampi/lampijärvi?21:34
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r0kk3rzwow there are 4 lakes called Saarijärvi21:38
sakustaronly?21:39
r0kk3rzand 9 lakes called Pyhäjärvi21:40
r0kk3rzso we're set for another years worth of updates with just two names21:40
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r0kk3rzbut yes, they only list about 300 on wikipedia, so there could be a lot more lakes with those names21:41
Ponchalehi21:43
Ezkor0kk3rz: there are dozens called vesijärvi too21:45
Ezkowaterlake21:45
ursgoogling for äijipäivänjärvi today, I found http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Etusivu21:47
TofeAs opposed to, like, treelake, I guess...21:47
ursI guess we're good with release names for a while.21:47
TofeIf they want to stay alphabetically ordered, they will have problems in 2 updates21:48
urshttp://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/J%C3%A4rvien_nimet <-- seems like the most common name is mustalampi ("Black pond")21:48
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TemeVTofe: I guess they just start picking the second one for each letter22:09
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TofeTemeV: yes, I hope they won't stop releasing update just because of that :p22:10
TemeVD:22:10
Tofe"no more letters, no more updates. Sorry!"22:11
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TemeV"Finnish mobile company bankrupted due to running out of alphabet"22:17
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tadzikthat sounds like a lot of releases shipped, I'm okay with this :P22:23
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ottulo_maybe they'll switch to a different country - they have HQ in China, so that should last for a few releases23:10
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